I'm getting more educated on the "push" for everyone to drive EV's and last night on Frank Sontag I learned more. It all sounds so easy breezy, just buy an EV and your life will be so much better.;)


Just ask the know it alls, and the EV's are the answer....Just need $50-60K at least up front and plenty of:

Lithium, Manganese, Cobalt, Nickel and Graphite

And use your EV for just around town, have that 2nd vehicle for longer trips.:headbang:

The push for EV's and other stuff continues stronger and stronger. The last week or more a higher up there person goes on: Get your EV, Get Your Solar Panels, Install a Charger in your home, Get a home generator, and it's mindboggling how out of reality those people are.

Plug your EV into the grid, where they are shutting down more and more coal-powered generating plants.

Oh, right, just get a generator that runs on natural gas. Thousands more.

Well thought out!

Plug your EV into the grid, where they are shutting down more and more coal-powered generating plants.

Oh, right, just get a generator that runs on natural gas. Thousands more.

Well thought out!

I don't believe they want to "think it out"...it's instant profits and what happens happens. Just today in So Cal people are being requested to not use much of their electric stuff between 4 and 9 PM, due to the already taxed grid. :(:(

Just heard another "goodie" for the owner of an EV, the lithium batteries can get so hot and it can take hours for firest to be put out, the fire seems to be out and then re-ignites and starts up again and again. Oh those brainiacs...Heard a story of this happening in
Mountain View CA. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/10/tesla-battery-reignited-days-after-fiery-crash-in-mountain-view/

Just heard another "goodie" for the owner of an EV, the lithium batteries can get so hot and it can take hours for firest to be put out, the fire seems to be out and then re-ignites and starts up again and again. Oh those brainiacs...Heard a story of this happening in
Mountain View CA. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/10/tesla-battery-reignited-days-after-fiery-crash-in-mountain-view/
The EV inferno in your garage can also heat your home.

Zebra: Personally I don't have a garage and when I need to heat my apt, I turn on my gas wall heater, it's far far far less expense than electric heat. I was born and raised in the East and MOST of that generation had furnaces and coal was used, and I'm sure these type houses are still around but the electric world has taken over a lot and talk about high costs of electric heating.

And there is so much info on the grid being taxed with all the electric appliances -- are you not ware of this?

I wouldn't group solar panels with electric vehicles -- the former are good for the environment and reduce reliance on conventionally generated electricity. The vehicles increase demand -- though you have to consider as well they don't have the polluting exhaust of gas-powered cars.

Just a street up from where I live, I noticed a homeowner has covered a south-facing roof with solar panels. If he/she plans to live there for a long time, it can be a good investment and really bring down the electric bills.

Windmills and Dinosaurs on way to Palm Springs

Quite a site to see and these windmills generate wind to produce electricity, Life in the desert is where A/C is a must. I live near the ocean and never owned an A/C.

San Gorgonio Pass is one of the windiest areas in the world and is home to 3,500 electricity-producing wind turbines. The electricity generated by the wind turbines is used by the customers of the Southern California Edison Company. The San Gorgonio wind turbines produce approximately 600 million kilowatt-hours (kWh) every year. This amount of electricity is enough to meet the needs of 100,000 typical homes or about 250,000 people.


Solar paneling can work and I don't believe that many make the investment for the paneling.


Ed Begley, Jr on Vegan, Solar Power and Optimism

https://www.vegetariantimes.com/life-garden/plant-based-life/veg-celeb-qa-with-ed-begley-jr/

Coast to Coast radio every night at 10PM has some interesting guests/topics..Last night was Alex Epstein on the Fossil Fuel world:

Last night on Coast to Coast:


Energy expert Alex Epstein is pushing for a positive, pro-human alternative to the green movement. In the first half, he contended that contrary to what we hear about the "renewable revolution," reality has proven fossil fuels are still the dominant source of energy worldwide and growing fast-- while renewables are causing skyrocketing electricity prices and increased blackouts. Though he concedes that humans' impact on the planet (including the use of fossil fuels) can affect climate, he doesn't expect that this will be catastrophic. Oil, in particular, has a unique density that allows it to produce a lot of energy in a small amount of mass, which is why it's so practical for things like agricultural machinery, planes, and cargo ships, he pointed out. While natural gas is very lightweight and clean, and works well for residential heating.


"We are shutting down reliable power plants-- namely natural gas, coal, and nuclear on the false hope that some amount of solar and wind can really replace it," he remarked. Solar and wind are not dependable as they aren't controllable, and at any given time can be depleted, and their energy is expensive to store, he suggested. We should be using more, not less fossil fuel, as it's crucial to human flourishing, and it's indispensably needed around the world, Epstein continued. Fossil fuel is the only thing that has been able to scale to billions of people in thousands of places, he added. For more on this viewpoint, visit his site energytalkingpoints.com.

Epstein's site:

https://energytalkingpoints.com/

A certain segment of our leaders are so HOT to trot to get everyone into electric world.

What They Aren't Telling People About EeeeeVeeeee's.


https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/what-they-arent-telling-people-about-evs

Plug your EV into the grid, where they are shutting down more and more coal-powered generating plants.

Oh, right, just get a generator that runs on natural gas. Thousands more.

Well thought out!Yea now they are saying "Dont charge your EV"

What the hell are ppl supposed to do having this garbage forced on them??

Yikes, EV's in FL's Ian

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11291585/Electric-vehicles-exploding-Florida-Hurricane-Ians-water-damage-makes-batteries-corrode.html

Ray Peat's Take on Dangers of EV's...

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/electric-car-hate-thread-electric-cars-are-extremely-dangerous-and-should-be-avoided-at-all-costs.49894/

Just heard a rather shocking story about a young man and his wife, they are just average wage earners and the wife is working 7 days a week at Nursing to make more and more money. 5 days at Kasier and 2 days at UCLA....so work work work....

Just heard they bought a close to $80K large model EV.....hard to understand this extravagent purchase by this hard working couple.....certainly not sensible to me.

Supposedly GM's fleet will be EV by 2035. They are after gov't. (our) money, pure and simple.

As far as the reduced pollution goes, it depends on what they do to increase the capacity of the electric grid (which will have to be done, which no one is doing now.) It means back to nuclear power, probably. If not, more burning some fuel, so goodby to reduced pollution. Windmills kill birds (birds are already in trouble) etc.....etc......

It's not gonna happen Steve, people are wising up to these wild Corp. ideas...And we'll be going thru a lot of changes in govt and how does ANYONE know about our future...

Why not ethanol? Make cars that run on moonshine. America has a lot of corn.

Supposedly GM's fleet will be EV by 2035. They are after gov't. (our) money, pure and simple.

One of my family members is a GM engineer working in that department. So I'll recuse myself from any comment.

As far as the reduced pollution goes, it depends on what they do to increase the capacity of the electric grid (which will have to be done, which no one is doing now.) It means back to nuclear power, probably. If not, more burning some fuel, so goodby to reduced pollution. Windmills kill birds (birds are already in trouble) etc.....etc......

An oil spill is a far bigger environmental disaster than some birds losing their lives in windmills. Demand for refined oil products is a worldwide problem, creating political issues in addition to environmental. AFAIK, solar panel fields are a much bigger part of the plan for increased electricity production in the US as compared with windmills.

Why not ethanol? Make cars that run on moonshine. America has a lot of corn.

My car is flex-fuel so I often fill up with an ethanol product, E85. If you see gas pumps that include one with a yellow handle, that's for E85. The last time I filled up, the price was $2.69/gallon. You won't find a price that low for ordinary gasoline.

The EV mandates go on and on..

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/13/electric-cars-am-radio

EVs suck!!!!!!!!

EVs suck!!!!!!!!

I don't see where they make life better for the majority of the population, the 99+%, the well to do can own anything they want, EV's, Gasoliine autos have worked forever...and now buy the High PricedEV's ..... It's another plan by gubmint to do their Screws......

I have few issues with Electric Vehicles. My stepson and wife’s nephew both drive them (Teslas) and it is a pretty cool vehicle if you ask me. It’s sort of like someone made a car out of a mobile phone, if that makes sense.

The fruitcakes however who want to ditch the gasoline vehicle for electric vehicles don’t really understand the basics of how electricity is made, mostly by fossil fuels or nuclear energy. Windmills and solar panels don’t near provide enough electricity for our modern needs. Plus what was mentioned before of the materials required to make an electric battery and how and where these minerals come from (again using machinery using fossil fuels).

Really, a lot of people on the left coast need to go back to elementary school and relearn science.

I keep hearing the Grid, the Grid the the Insanes continue to push Electric.... they know and it's deeper than MOST realize. They Don't listen to the Right Coasts.... Another piece of the Reset happenings.

All Prepared??, IF

https://commonsensehome.com/when-the-power-goes-out/#:~:text=If%20the%20power%20grid%20goes,acknowledge%20that%20it's%20getting%20older.

]The push for EV's and other stuff continues stronger and stronger.[/B] The last week or more a higher up there person goes on: Get your EV, Get Your Solar Panels, Install a Charger in your home, Get a home generator, and it's mindboggling how out of reality those people are.
I'm not sure I'll be buying an electric car. I've become accustomed to the internal combustion engine and prefer the chassis of petrol vehicles. Fortunately public transport is plentiful where I live. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/blow-to-electric-car-owners-as-nearly-40-per-cent-of-free-charging-points-disappear-from-britain-s-roads-after-becoming-too-expensive-to-offer-for-nothing-amid-soaring-energy-costs/ar-AA1aUneS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b690fd3c0cb846c6aeea55d9583270b9&ei=10

How uncanny, this is a section of a message that just came to my box.

The US energy commissioner is now publicly warning that the entire US power grid is at risk of system-wide power outages because the ....... regime keeps taking fossil fuel power plants offline without allowing anything to replace them.

Gigawatts of energy production are being cut, while at the same time more electric stoves, cars and hot water heaters are being placed on the grid, straining it to a breaking point.


This sounds pretty SERIOUS to me.

One thing certain in my life, THEY won't get me sucked in.

Chances are if I had a strong feeling about the power grid being strong enough to handle all the electric stuff being pushed I would have some comfort. Today I received a good positive email from Mike Adams and his recent discussion with RFK Jr. I'm feeling some positivity.

All the electric push is still not in my future.

How about these figures:::

In order to achieve “carbon-free” electricity
generation by 2035 and nearly fossil fuel–free
energy by 2050, technologies will need to be
built that include millions of weather-dependent
wind turbines, billions of unreliable solar
panels, millions of half-ton battery modules for
vehicles, billions more modules to back up
intermittent electricity generation, millions of
transformers, and tens of thousands of miles of
new transmission lines. All these technologies
must be manufactured from metals, minerals, and
petroleum extracted from the Earth, via mining on
scales unprecedented in human history. It would
cost $29 trillion in initial outlays for battery
backup to replace current US ‘fossil fuel’
electricity and convert vehicles, furnaces, water
heaters, and stoves to electricity. Professional
engineer Ken Gregory determined that grid-backup
battery costs could reach $290 trillion (12.6 times the USA’s 2021 GDP).


https://needtoknow.news/2023/05/net-zero-grid-batteries-would-bankrupt-america/


The more info that continues to surface on our earth's Energy Programs, the more I realize how so many in this work "have a lot of loose screws".....Yep, a lot.

How about these figures:::

DELETE -- Dulicate Post

Just heard a long blah blah blah on the EV mandate for 2035.

So did a little search of the views of those running for 2024 and the Blue's are gunhoe pushing for EV's, the Red's Not So. I drove Michigan's auto's from age 17 to 79. Had to give up driving due to surgery damage but all the years of driving, No Issues.

The key is: if one wants to own EV's let em, if one doesn't want one, let me as well

Choice!!!!!!

Who here is dashing out and becoming an EV owner?

How many buying the "sound" advice of Big Brother and going for an EV?

How about these figures:::

DELETE -- Dulicate PostI agree Carole :)

Just heard taxifornia has raised fuel 52 out of 59 days, they are doing their best
to scre* the people to get into EV's....and continue their depopulation work.

Our dunce of a gov is spewing attacks at oil companies as he said all the years of fossil fuel have done so much damage, climate issues etc and he's full of it as he's pushing EV's....I'm sure the oil companies will get back at his "kind" with all their power.

Our state has reaped high benefits of the oil industries in CA, this gov is blind and deaf and his pockets are very deep. Yes I'm angry, his tax has the lowest price unleaded over $6 a gallon.

On Sunday I took a brief ride with my wife’s daughter in law in China in a Tesla SUV like car. Her husband and her cousin both drive Tesla electric cars.

I like them. A very comfortable and quiet ride. I joke it is like they made a car out of an Iphone. Now, I don’t know how far the car can travel on a full charge or the availability of charging stations. But I like the car.

However, electricity is mostly created, as in probably 95 percent or more, is from fossil fuels. You need fossil fuels to power the plants to make the electricity. Either that or nuclear power. I am for nuclear power, but something has to be done with the waste, which will be radioactive for about 10,000 years. Fans and solar power does very little.

So driving an electric car doesn’t absolve you of fossil fuels. It is only indirect. The left oil haters don’t seem to understand this.

Anyone awake out there? Just heard a rant from my guys I hear just about every day on my radio, these guys are NOT lovers of the EV's....so they are spouting essentially this .

: Those Who Love the Environment = push push people into EV's

People = resist resist the EV's. Charging stations for one thing are few and far
between out there.

Government = continues to give people PAIN with just about daily
fuel increases. Lowest price fuel in CA is about $6.14 gal... Good going
you jerks who have the people in their best interest.....NOT


Oh and throw in EV's will support climate change, that isn't even happening.

Climate Change = A grand hoax.

Just hearing so many auto makers losing money hand over fist TRYING to devlope their EV cars....I'm So Sad......

Just heard 2 of my favorite Wise Guys and I mean that literally, wise they are and just got off on the boondoggle of this push for EV's by the fat cats in that world and making tons of money going around the world in their Flying Machines, not electric machines) staying at the finest hotels, eating the finest foods and pushing their STUFF...

They were saying the lowest priced EV is about $51K and that people are reporting trying to rent a car while they are on business or whatever, and they end up with an EV on their hands.....and have no clue where to charge it.. And then the issue of the power grids, when will they be all used up>????

It all smells of boondoggle and many trying to make fast bucks for themselves....

Oh how I love them all, those power mongers.....

Just heard my 2 guys again today, people do NOT want the EV's.. They are comparing it to the push of the Edsel and it's failure, govt at it's finest outragous auto flops..

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/why-the-ford-edsel-failed.htm

Brainiac Automakers WAKE UP to EV Reality


https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/10/27/automakers-wake-up-reality-electric-vehicles/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Top5&mkt_tok=ODI0LU1IVC0zMDQAAAGPNLe1gFCcOuMp7SaMNASQ_a-BeYaMA1JoQSpTMmQOAgxrnQ2Ew2RP_xi4JPuhTK3COOfoy0xgdiA-DpXujvOgLvnTA3jl-rBijhMocT9zkC5aAKq4rw

China
The forced push to EVs is making America weaker and China stronger, because almost 80% of batteries are made in China.

America is energy independent due to vast resources of oil and natural gas that have been discovered and produced through innovative technology. However, should Biden’s EV goal come to pass, America would become less energy independent and more dependent on China for electric batteries and associated components. One major reason is because China is buying up many of the world’s mines where rare earth minerals used in batteries are found.

As the world has seen from Russia’s cutoff of natural gas supplies to Europe, it is not prudent to rely on an unfriendly country for a vital resource such as energy, because restrictions can raise energy prices and carry disastrous economic and social consequences.


If you have an interest in How Much Oil is Under the Grounds worldwide or just U.S. you can do a search of that. You'll find various opinions but it can give you an idea.

For those with interest in what is going on in the world on this subject:


The Biden administration urged Congress in 2021 to spend $7.5 billion to build tens of thousands of electric vehicle (EV) chargers across the country, in the name of reducing climate change, but two years later, the program has yet to install a single charger. Functioning EV chargers located across the country are essential to reaching President Biden’s goal of having half the vehicles sold in the United States to be electric cars by 2030. Americans consistently say the lack of charging infrastructure is one of the top reasons they won’t buy an electric car. There is a lack of demand for EVs. Consumer Reports survey reveals that EVs have almost 80% more problems than gas-powered cars using traditional combustion engines.

https://needtoknow.news/2023/12/zero-electric-vehicle-chargers-built-so-far-with-7-5-billion-allocated-by-congress/
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Just heard taxifornia has raised fuel 52 out of 59 days, they are doing their best
to scare the people to get into EV's...Yes and sadly I think it will work.........

Yes and sadly I think it will work.........

It's not working, more and more are waking up to NO EV's....

allegedly chargers are being built, and they are NOT...

Didn't you read the info in #40 above on the charger world of lies.

Yea I Just did Carole...... Im glad more are aware than I thought!!

Just heard my EV experts, and they are saying this EV Scam will go down as the biggest boondoggle in American history.

NONE of the chargers to be built across the country by govt funds have NEVER been started....

I have a friend who loves them :(

Dude: your friend better love them with all they invested in it.

Yup I know!!

2Million Tesla's being Recalled for Defective Autopilot Issue

Detroit — Tesla is recalling more than 2 million vehicles across its model lineup to fix a defective system that's supposed to ensure drivers are paying attention when they use Autopilot.

Documents posted Wednesday by U.S. safety regulators say the company will send out a software update to fix the problem.

The recall comes after a two-year investigation by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration into a series of crashes that happened while the Autopilot partially automated driving system was in use. Some were deadly.

An agency spokesperson said in a statement to CBS News that its investigation found Autopilot's method of ensuring that drivers are paying attention can be inadequate and "can lead to foreseeable misuse of the system."

The recall covers nearly all of the vehicles Tesla sold in the U.S. and includes models Y, S, 3 and X produced between Oct. 5, 2012, and Dec. 7 of this year.

The software update includes additional controls and alerts "to further encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous driving responsibility," the documents said.

The software update was sent to owners of certain affected vehicles on Tuesday, with the rest getting it at a later date, the documents said.

"Automated technology holds great promise for improving safety, but only when it is deployed responsibly. Today's action is an example of improving automated systems by prioritizing safety," the NHTSA spokesperson said.

Autopilot includes features called Autosteer and Traffic Aware Cruise Control, with Autosteer intended for use on limited access freeways when it's not operating with a more sophisticated feature called Autosteer on City Streets.

The software update apparently will limit where Autosteer can be used.

"If the driver attempts to engage Autosteer when conditions are not met for engagement, the feature will alert the driver it is unavailable through visual and audible alerts, and Autosteer will not engage," the recall documents say.

The documents say agency investigators met with Tesla starting in October to explain "tentative conclusions" about the fixing the monitoring system. Tesla, it said, did not agree with the agency's analysis but agreed to the recall on Dec. 5 in an effort to resolve the investigation.

Auto safety advocates for years have been calling for stronger regulation of the driver monitoring system, which mainly detects whether a driver's hands are on the steering wheel.

Autopilot can steer, accelerate and brake automatically in its lane, but is a driver-assist system and cannot drive itself despite its name. Independent tests have found that the monitoring system is easy to fool, so much so that drivers have been caught while driving drunk or even sitting in the back seat.

In its defect report filed with the safety agency, Tesla said Autopilot's controls "may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse."

A message was left early Wednesday seeking further comment from the Austin, Texas, company.

Tesla says on its website that Autopilot and a more sophisticated Full Self Driving system cannot drive autonomously and are meant to help drivers and that they have to be ready to intervene at all times. Full Self Driving is being tested by Tesla owners on public roads.

In a statement posted Monday on X, formerly Twitter, Tesla said safety is stronger when Autopilot is engaged.

NHTSA has dispatched investigators to 35 Tesla crashes since 2016 in which the agency suspects the vehicles were running on an automated system. At least 17 people have been killed.

The investigations are part of a larger probe by the NHTSA into multiple instances of Teslas using Autopilot crashing into parked emergency vehicles that are tending to other crashes. NHTSA has become more aggressive in pursuing safety problems with Teslas in the past year, announcing multiple recalls and investigations, including a recall of Full Self Driving software.

In May, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, whose department includes the NHTSA, said Tesla shouldn't be calling the system Autopilot because it can't drive itself.

In its statement Wednesday, NHTSA said the Tesla investigation remains open "as we monitor the efficacy of Tesla's remedies and continue to work with the automaker to ensure the highest level of safety."

More from CBS News


All the EV owners -- Enjoy...

Oh funny quick story, just talked to an old friend I knew very well while I lived in San Jose in the 80's..she finally gave up motorcyle riding as she rode for 50 yrs and over a million miles racked up...she's full of arthritis and 3 back suregeries and now 81 yrs old....now she has a lot of new stuff that came on in this year.

So she told me her 2 sons both work for Tesla, one in Hawaii and one in Sacramento and these guys make a lot of Elon Musk money in spite of 2Million Tesla's being recalled...I got a good laugh from this one.....money money money....the more you make, the more you want to make....and working for Mad Man Musk, you can't go wrong.

A good article!!

http://needtoknow.news/2024/01/electric-cars-are-filling-vehicle-graveyards-as-hardly-anyone-wants-to-buy-a-used-one

Some recent flubs by Cities and Businesses in going with EV's....

Oslo Norway having many EV buses now are experiencing Battery Freezes...dah Oslo Noray???

Hertz Rent A Car invested in 20,000 (I believe) EV autos and trying now to sell half or more at half cost, so supposedly a regular person can buy an EV auto for like $25K, good luck Hertz with this one. Hertz are reporting a lot of mechanical issues and people being leased autos and they were not charged from the previous renter....

Smart decisions makers, NOT......

Discussing this Stupid Invention with a group and we all agree what is Upstairs in Musk's head that is supposed to be Brains and Sense....as we read more and more of the dead cars all over the roads in the cold weather areas......

Yup they def are no good!

Yup they def are no good!

Maybe if one lives in the Tropics but otherwise "come and get a frozen EV if you can thaw it out"""" they can be had for 1/2 the original obscene cost.

I know of a young man who didn't object to his wife buying a 50K EV to drive back and forth to her job. Wonder what these people are thinking now with all the freezing news.

Ya they werent told that and stupidly didnt realise it on thier own......

Ya they werent told that and stupidly didnt realise it on thier own......

Too too many Do Not Question the so called authority SHEEP.

No I know,they think they wouldnt ever do anything.......

WSJ on EV's -- Boom to Bust

The public does NOT want them...a few of the Rich, but that's it.

Billions $$$$ has been spent and wasted.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ev-2024-bad-start-96146554

Excellent :)

Waste waste waste, we Americans swim in it.....

Maybe if one lives in the Tropics but otherwise "come and get a frozen EV if you can thaw it out"""" they can be had for 1/2 the original obscene cost.

This was the problem when Indianapolis bought some electric buses a few years ago. The buses had reduced range in the dead of winter.

It's a known problem that batteries don't do well in the cold. Everyone known but the leadership at the bus line.

It's all about money and the quicker the better, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours..............

This from Canada from a member of a group I'm a long time member...

https://www.genuinechristianitynow.com/2023/08/05/two-electric-cars-collide-youll-get-the-message/

Appears to be a 2023 video, and I won't venture to post the member's total belief's on EV's....

Damn tootin Right I buy so little of the big push for electric for ALL....and hearing more and more population feel as I do.

And it's a Big Piece of the Reset we are trying to live thru.....