I'm thinking of Gus Hoffman, the Gainesville murders, Cindy James, Beverly McGowan -- segments in which we learn of the torture and murder of victims. More prominent in the early years.

Any others I'm forgetting?

I'll say Diana Robertson/Mike Riemer

ATV Murders

All murders are horrible but you have to have extra layers of evil to torture your victim for an extended period of time before finally killing them.

Lisa Marie Kimmell, Gus Hoffman and Ashley Freeman/Lauria Bible all were tied up and tortured for multiple days. Nothing was quick. Their pain and terror went on and on before eventually being killed. Imagine being a loved one of these victims and trying desperately to keep that image out of your head.

A major case that was technically quicker but still incredibly grisly; Joann, Michelle and Kristi Rogers. All three sexually assaulted (I'm assuming the others were forced to watch in horror) before being weighted down with a cinder block and thrown in the bay still alive. There are no words to accurately describe this kind of evil.

All murders are horrible but you have to have extra layers of evil to torture your victim for an extended period of time before finally killing them.

No doubt.

Do we have an idea what the biker gang did to Hoffman in that garage?

Do we have an idea what the biker gang did to Hoffman in that garage?

According to the woman who met with Rose Hoffman, Gus was taken to Michael Stevenson's house, and the motorcycle gang members tied him up, tortured, sodomized and kicked him over the course of multiple days (how many days exactly, we don't know) until he was dead and then they dismembered him.

It turns out, the woman who spoke with Rose was married to one of the killers.

David Tyll and Brian Ognjan

The Boston Rapist segment was a tough one to watch.

David Tyll and Brian Ognjan

I should've put this first tbh.

I'll say Chain Weiss as well. His murder was particularly grisly

The Boston Rapist segment was a tough one to watch.

Yeah it is. That one and the The Brazos River Attackers segment

What about the one where they showed the actual autopsy photo? The case of the old man (think it was Jasper Watkins -- Harpers Ferry Remains -- who was killed and stuffed in the trunk?

Also, if we believe what some people with not-so-great reputations, then I would also add Jeremy Bright and Amy Billig.

Richard Church and Edward Harold Bell

The first two that came to mind were Gus Hoffman and the ATV Murders.

Agree with dynoguy on the Oba Chandler murders. I've always wondered just how much each of the girls were forced to see before being tied to a cinder block and dumped into the water.

Let's add Dan Short to the list: tied to a chair and thrown off a bridge while still alive by the Agofsky Brothers.

The Brad Bishop case would have to be right up there as one of the worst. Even the re-enactment made me feel sick when I first saw it. Completely innocent people including kids who didn't stand a chance against a madman under their very roof. :(

The Brad Bishop case would have to be right up there as one of the worst. Even the re-enactment made me feel sick when I first saw it. Completely innocent people including kids who didn't stand a chance against a madman under their very roof. :(

The Hunt with John Walsh had very graphic pictures of some of the victims' faces...just horrible. There are a lot of contenders in UM history, but Brad Bishop is possibly the most deplorable criminal profiled on the show.

I'll add Joe Weldon Smith, too. The victims fought for their lives and we have a survivor's account of just how horrifying the situation must have been.

What about the one where they showed the actual autopsy photo? The case of the old man (think it was Jasper Watkins -- Harpers Ferry Remains -- who was killed and stuffed in the trunk?

That is the grisliest for me. The warning was brief. "Although difficult to view..." Not enough to prepare you for what you were about to see. And the computer rendered image of what he may have looked like alive wasn't much better.

That is the grisliest for me. The warning was brief. "Although difficult to view..." Not enough to prepare you for what you were about to see. And the computer rendered image of what he may have looked like alive wasn't much better.

Watched it last night and uhhhh

I was always amazed that UM showed an actual photo of Cindy James’ corpse, with her hands and feet tied behind her back. It’s interesting to note that the photo was banned from publication in Neal Hall’s book so a sketch of the corpse was drawn instead and included with other pictures. Yet Unsolved Mysteries was somehow allowed to show the actual photo.

I wouldn’t say the photo was overly grisly since her head is turned. But it’s still kind of disturbing. With Jasper Watkins, yes, the photo was very haunting but I kind of understood why they showed it because they were so desperate to identify him. Here? I don’t think it was necessary to show Cindy’s body.

the Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre is fairly grisly. Hilda Roche as well,

Honestly I've always thought the reenactment of Doug Heath finding Doreen Picard and Susan Laferte in the basement was kind of graphic, as was the scene showing Terri McClure shot dead in her car.

The Jasper Watkins morgue photo probably takes the cake, though.

the Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre is fairly grisly.

don't know how I forgot this one. fully agreed.

its amazing how this happened over 30 years ago and no one has been identified. Anyone know if there was any info UM left out from the segment

Honestly I've always thought the reenactment of Doug Heath finding Doreen Picard and Susan Laferte in the basement was kind of graphic

This is a good one. Not that it was overly "grisly", but I get a similar vibe to when they show Joyce McLain's body in the woods in the re-enactment and show the man who discovered her body calling out "Joyce" repeatedly. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie, but the beginning of the segment gives me strong "Silver Bullet" vibes.

the Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre is fairly grisly. Hilda Roche as well,

Good lord I forgot about the Roche murder. That segment was chillingly assembled.

A Murder in Las Cruces, the film about the bowling alley massacre, was even grislier than the UM segment. The director went over the top with crime scene photos over and over again. He said it was to evoke emotion. The first “set” of photos was enough, really. I am assuming that since it may take A LOT to stir HIS emotions, he thinks others are the same. He did a Q&A session after and I had a few things to ask, but he came off as such a cold and distant jerk that I didn’t bother. I doubt he had any idea how his demeanor struck the audience either. I’ve heard from others in the industry he’s a bit high hatted about his films and where he *thinks* they should be screened.

My point is, while the film is very interesting and offers more information, brace yourself!

A Murder in Las Cruces, the film about the bowling alley massacre, was even grislier than the UM segment. The director went over the top with crime scene photos over and over again. He said it was to evoke emotion. The first “set” of photos was enough, really. I am assuming that since it may take A LOT to stir HIS emotions, he thinks others are the same. He did a Q&A session after and I had a few things to ask, but he came off as such a cold and distant jerk that I didn’t bother. I doubt he had any idea how his demeanor struck the audience either. I’ve heard from others in the industry he’s a bit high hatted about his films and where he *thinks* they should be screened.

My point is, while the film is very interesting and offers more information, brace yourself!

wait...theres a movie??

wait...theres a movie??

I think he's talking about the documentary, 'A Nightmare in Las Cruces,' which came out around 2011.

I think he's talking about the documentary, 'A Nightmare in Las Cruces,' which came out around 2011.

ah okay. thanks

Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre is up there. very brutal and unnecessary. hard to believe that the suspects were never caught. I always find the segments involving children particularly difficult, for me I always struggled with Rachel Runyon and the Roxanne/Christopher Jeeves segments.

Tom Johnson. How can I forget?

Tom Johnson. How can I forget?

This is a good one.

2 episodes stayed with me over the years. Does anyone remember the woman who was driving on a rural western road near Oregon (area) and there was a car of teenagers who came across her and terrorized her. She was run off the road and then attacked. I think she survived with permanent damage. There was not much to go on but her attack was so random and brutal it stayed with me.

Another episode which showed the show was ahead of its time was the episode where 2 boys in rural Arkansas were killed on railroad tracks. The coroner ruled the kids were stoned and did not hear the train coming. Years later the case was reopened and the deaths were ruled a homicide. No way they could not hear the train and the boy cherished his rifle and it was tossed in the rocks. The new autopsy found they were killed by a shooting. It is believed the boys came across drug traffickers while roaming the tracks and were killed. Their bodies were put on the tracks to make it look like a train killed them. What is odd is why would the original coroner not see this as a murder. Was he in on this or paid off. Just a heartbreak of a story.

2 episodes stayed with me over the years. Does anyone remember the woman who was driving on a rural western road near Oregon (area) and there was a car of teenagers who came across her and terrorized her. She was run off the road and then attacked. I think she survived with permanent damage. There was not much to go on but her attack was so random and brutal it stayed with me.

Another episode which showed the show was ahead of its time was the episode where 2 boys in rural Arkansas were killed on railroad tracks. The coroner ruled the kids were stoned and did not hear the train coming. Years later the case was reopened and the deaths were ruled a homicide. No way they could not hear the train and the boy cherished his rifle and it was tossed in the rocks. The new autopsy found they were killed by a shooting. It is believed the boys came across drug traffickers while roaming the tracks and were killed. Their bodies were put on the tracks to make it look like a train killed them. What is odd is why would the original coroner not see this as a murder. Was he in on this or paid off. Just a heartbreak of a story.

the first one I can't remember exactly, there are several segments similar to that one though. I hope someone can track it down.

Yes I think there was some type of drug trafficking conspiracy or a cover up with the boys that were killed and placed on the railroad tracks with a tarp over them, of corse the tarp disappeared from the crime scene. the question is at what level was there a cover up and was the DA that was featured in UM involved?

Tom Johnson. How can I forget?

oh yeah, every time one of these threads pop up we are reminded just how brutal this show was.

The Jordan children being killed in their own home after it was torched. I can't really watch this one, it's so horrific and nauseating to think what they went through. And there hasn't been any justice.

I think he's talking about the documentary, 'A Nightmare in Las Cruces,' which came out around 2011.

Yeah that's what I meant. Wow has it been that long?!
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By the way, "she." No need to apologize. It's cool. Happens all the time.

Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre is up there. very brutal and unnecessary. hard to believe that the suspects were never caught. I always find the segments involving children particularly difficult, for me I always struggled with Rachel Runyon and the Roxanne/Christopher Jeeves segments.

It's because they drove right back into Mexico and disappeared. Las Cruces itself is not far from the border. Driving along I-10 there's a point where you drive right by it. I mean, you see it. RIGHT THERE. There's residential neighborhoods not far where you could park your car and walk right into Mexico. I'm serious. I went to San Diego and San Ysidro, numerous times. Drove around the area a lot. Yet, from my ONE visit to Las Cruces, I never felt closer to the border.

I believe a suspicious car with suspicious characters was pulled over. They were ultimately let go. Can't remember if someone from the bowling alley was asked to identify if the men in the car matched the description, which the the answer was "Nah." Or maybe I'm mistaking it with some other case.

When I saw the drawings I thought "Mexicans." Of course they were hispanic but they really could have been from anywhere south of the border. Maybe they were "low level" drug dealers. If they had been part of a cartel, professional hitmen, or part of the Mexican Mafia (La M, pronounced emeh) the crime scene would have looked a lot different.

2 episodes stayed with me over the years. Does anyone remember the woman who was driving on a rural western road near Oregon (area) and there was a car of teenagers who came across her and terrorized her. She was run off the road and then attacked. I think she survived with permanent damage. There was not much to go on but her attack was so random and brutal it stayed with me.

I believe you are referencing the Jennifer Pratt case.

It's because they drove right back into Mexico and disappeared. Las Cruces itself is not far from the border. Driving along I-10 there's a point where you drive right by it. I mean, you see it. RIGHT THERE. There's residential neighborhoods not far where you could park your car and walk right into Mexico. I'm serious. I went to San Diego and San Ysidro, numerous times. Drove around the area a lot. Yet, from my ONE visit to Las Cruces, I never felt closer to the border.

I believe a suspicious car with suspicious characters was pulled over. They were ultimately let go. Can't remember if someone from the bowling alley was asked to identify if the men in the car matched the description, which the the answer was "Nah." Or maybe I'm mistaking it with some other case.

When I saw the drawings I thought "Mexicans." Of course they were hispanic but they really could have been from anywhere south of the border. Maybe they were "low level" drug dealers. If they had been part of a cartel, professional hitmen, or part of the Mexican Mafia (La M, pronounced emeh) the crime scene would have looked a lot different.

well las cruces is close to the border yes, but not as close as El Paso, Mexicali, or San Diego as you pointed out. It would take some time to get from Las Cruces across the border. The fastest way might be to drive to the El Paso area.

New Mexico is a diverse state when it comes to hispanic and Native American culture. For me the Native American culture is amazing in New Mexico, but there is also a lot of Mexican and Spanish culture in New Mexico. They may have similar features in the way that they look, but there are a lot of differences and that is why many people who live there can tell the difference by someone's dialect. I thought that the RS narration made mention of the suspects not being Mexican, but in the FILMRISE segment, RS narrates that the first suspect spoke excellent English with no Spanish accent and the second suspect spoke English with a slight Spanish accent. There was no mention of a country.

As far as them leaving the country, it is possible, but not necessarily true. we never heard anything in this case. they could have stayed in the USA as well and have never been caught. on another note I forgot how scary this segment was. it is awful.

well las cruces is close to the border yes, but not as close as El Paso, Mexicali, or San Diego as you pointed out. It would take some time to get from Las Cruces across the border. The fastest way might be to drive to the El Paso area.

New Mexico is a diverse state when it comes to hispanic and Native American culture. For me the Native American culture is amazing in New Mexico, but there is also a lot of Mexican and Spanish culture in New Mexico. They may have similar features in the way that they look, but there are a lot of differences and that is why many people who live there can tell the difference by someone's dialect. I thought that the RS narration made mention of the suspects not being Mexican, but in the FILMRISE segment, RS narrates that the first suspect spoke excellent English with no Spanish accent and the second suspect spoke English with a slight Spanish accent. There was no mention of a country.

As far as them leaving the country, it is possible, but not necessarily true. we never heard anything in this case. they could have stayed in the USA as well and have never been caught. on another note I forgot how scary this segment was. it is awful.

Yes, I was mistaken. Change Las Cruces to El Paso being the one right in the border. That’s what I meant.

I lived in New Mexico. Went all over north to south. I know what the place is like. Know what the people are like. I know what they eat most of the time. And I know how UGLY the Las Cruces/El Paso area is. But you know what? Nothing is worse than Alamogordo. What a dump.

Recently saw the Dorothea Irving case. That beginning was scary. Even though it was an act, still gruesome.

Yes, I was mistaken. Change Las Cruces to El Paso being the one right in the border. That’s what I meant.

I lived in New Mexico. Went all over north to south. I know what the place is like. Know what the people are like. I know what they eat most of the time. And I know how UGLY the Las Cruces/El Paso area is. But you know what? Nothing is worse than Alamogordo. What a dump.
I've never lived there, but I've traveled there several times. I think it's a beautiful state. I wouldn't want to live in Alamogordo either from what I've heard, but I do like the places I've been around NM and I love the food. One of my most vivid memories is spending the night in Gallup, NM on super bowl Sunday. I went to try and buy beer and they told me I had to drive to Arizona to get beer, uggh

Megan was her name. Last name something like Curl? She was kicked out of Bar for dancing to music too saucy like. Was spotted with a guy in a Cowboy hat. Found tied to a bed and set on fire. Just truly awful. I haven't posted in forever. So probably getting some details wrong.

Megan was her name. Last name something like Curl? She was kicked out of Bar for dancing to music too saucy like. Was spotted with a guy in a Cowboy hat. Found tied to a bed and set on fire. Just truly awful. I haven't posted in forever. So probably getting some details wrong.

I think that's right, it was in East Texas, can't remember if it was Longview or Lufkin, I believe it's still unsolved. Never been there, but I've heard of the electric cowboy, I don't think this is the only violent crime that the establishment has been involved with over the years.

There was also a similar crime I think in the DC area where a Banking Investigator was murdered and burned to her bed if IIRC. Have not seen the segment in a very long time. Also think that one is unsolved as well.

There was also a similar crime I think in the DC area where a Banking Investigator was murdered and burned to her bed if IIRC. Have not seen the segment in a very long time. Also think that one is unsolved as well.

Lynn Amos. Yes, this one is also unsolved, sadly. Unless someone confesses or there is new evidence discovered, these will likely be difficult to solve.

I think Megan was also intellectualy disabled as well... That's interesting about a similar crime in the DC area... Hadn't heard about it.