View Full Version : Rich people who got away with it


FanfromES
03-08-2022, 12:53 AM
I don't know if somebody has done this topic before, but I can think of 2 cases where rich people got away with serious crimes.

Richard Minns
Al Henderson

I'm sure there must be others...

SageSlowdive
03-08-2022, 02:42 AM
Robert Blake
Claus Von Bulow
Ted Kennedy
Michael Jackson

However, this thread starts and ends with OJ Simpson. Perhaps the easiest case ever that was bungled from many different avenues.

TheCars1986
03-08-2022, 08:49 AM
Michael Skakel

FanfromES
03-08-2022, 12:08 PM
Robert Blake
Claus Von Bulow
Ted Kennedy
Michael Jackson

However, this thread starts and ends with OJ Simpson. Perhaps the easiest case ever that was bungled from many different avenues.


Except for Simpson, I don't think any of those cases were featured in UM.

TheCars1986
03-08-2022, 12:39 PM
Al Henderson

Hard disagree here.

FanfromES
03-08-2022, 04:13 PM
Hard disagree here.

Why?

1. He changed his story a few times.

2. He said he left Jean at the casino's door and she went inside, but she couldn't be located in any of the CCTV videos.


At first, I believed him, but I changed my mind after knowing of these discrepancies. I think he killed Jean and disposed of her body somewhere before getting to the casino.

TheCars1986
03-08-2022, 06:31 PM
At first, I believed him, but I changed my mind after knowing of these discrepancies. I think he killed Jean and disposed of her body somewhere before getting to the casino.

I believe Al's bookkeeper when she says she spoke with Jean over the phone during the Wednesday evening before her disappearance. The problem for Al, is that there is no known sighting of Jean after this phone call. She was reported missing less than 24 hours after this Wednesday evening phone call. But there's no motive. Means? If he killed her after an argument in their hotel room (her engagement ring and other jewelry was left behind in the room), how did he dispose of her body with no one seeing? His last phone call on Wednesday evening was placed at 7:32 p.m. Al surfaced on the surveillance videos the next morning at 9:15 a.m. I just don't see it.

Jon
03-08-2022, 06:57 PM
If he killed her after an argument in their hotel room (her engagement ring and other jewelry was left behind in the room), how did he dispose of her body with no one seeing?

This bugged me too...he was too old and frail to dispose of a body.

The only thing I could think of is, they were out West and a drivable distance to canyons. He could have drove her to a overlook at a canyon rim to watch the sunrise or something, then pushed her over...if he's real familiar with the area he could have scouted a place ahead of time, where he knew she wouldn't be found.

FanfromES
03-08-2022, 08:25 PM
The bookkeeper said she talked to Jean around 7 pm. After the call, Al could have taken her out for dinner, and killed her.

Maybe he was too old to accomplish the task himself but he got the money to hire somebody to do the dirty work.

He lied when he said he had left Jean at the casino. I don't see a reason for such a lie if he wasn't hiding something.

FanfromES
03-08-2022, 08:39 PM
Michael Skakel

a great example of people with enough money and power to get away with everything

FanfromES
03-08-2022, 08:48 PM
these two were eventually arrested:

James Sullivan
Raymond Young

TheCars1986
03-09-2022, 11:42 AM
He lied when he said he had left Jean at the casino. I don't see a reason for such a lie if he wasn't hiding something.

They get into an argument the night prior, Jean calls off the engagement, and storms out of the room. Al arrogantly thinks she'll be back once she cools off, goes to sleep. Wakes up, and Jean's still gone. Does a cursory search for her, and can't find her at any of the casinos. Eventually he calls the cops after checking out. Knowing that he was the last person that saw her alive, he invents the story about dropping her off at the casino to make his story sound more believable, and to make himself seem less suspicious.

I'm always reminded of the Carolyn Killaby case when thinking about this case. Carolyn's husband blew her off to hang out with his brother, so she went to a local bar and met up with Dennis Keith Smith, who murdered her that night. If no one noticed Smith leaving with Carolyn (whose body has never been found), Carolyn's husband suddenly looks like the most guilty person. I just think foul play not involving Al, shouldn't be dismissed with regards to Jean's disappearance.

Killarney Rose
03-09-2022, 11:52 AM
Randall utterback. His family had the means to hide him all these years.

dynoguy88
03-09-2022, 01:00 PM
Chick and Pat Smith. They used their money countless times to break the law in order to help their son Chuck kidnap his two boys from their mother, Carolyn. They bought Texas constables, bragged about how Houston Police officers worked for THEM and were somehow able to get Carolyn and her PI detained at the London airport long enough so they could sneak the boys out of the country. When Carolyn sued the Smiths for one million dollars, the judge awarded her $54 million! But the Smiths told her right there in the court room that she'd never get a dime.

Given the amount of times they broke the law, it sounds like they should have been arrested long before they were featured on UM. But rules tend to be different for rich people. UM did mention eventually that they had to file for bankruptcy, but I don't remember many actual charges against them.

FanfromES
03-10-2022, 01:39 PM
Chick and Pat Smith. They used their money countless times to break the law in order to help their son Chuck kidnap his two boys from their mother, Carolyn. They bought Texas constables, bragged about how Houston Police officers worked for THEM and were somehow able to get Carolyn and her PI detained at the London airport long enough so they could sneak the boys out of the country. When Carolyn sued the Smiths for one million dollars, the judge awarded her $54 million! But the Smiths told her right there in the court room that she'd never get a dime.

Given the amount of times they broke the law, it sounds like they should have been arrested long before they were featured on UM. But rules tend to be different for rich people. UM did mention eventually that they had to file for bankruptcy, but I don't remember many actual charges against them.

I didn't know of this case, I hope the boys and their mother had left behind those years so now they can have a normal life.

FanfromES
03-10-2022, 01:44 PM
Randall utterback. His family had the means to hide him all these years.


Maybe he was finally caught:

https://www.tribstar.com/news/local_news/man-runs-from-police-again-gets-caught-arrested-again/article_724469b3-a572-5e8e-a853-84cd42e2137d.html

Killarney Rose
03-10-2022, 03:00 PM
Could be, despite the different middle initial. He deserves to be locked up a good long time.

Labonte18
03-10-2022, 07:53 PM
The bookkeeper said she talked to Jean around 7 pm. After the call, Al could have taken her out for dinner, and killed her.

Maybe he was too old to accomplish the task himself but he got the money to hire somebody to do the dirty work.

He lied when he said he had left Jean at the casino. I don't see a reason for such a lie if he wasn't hiding something.

I've been thinking on this one the past few days.. And the thing I keep coming back to.. While I know that they couldn't confirm his story regarding giving the keys to Jean when and where he said he did.. Casinos are the single most videotaped places in the USA.

Outside, Inside, everywhere. And the thing I don't see is ANY mention of them looking for and not finding, or finding her on any cameras.

To me, it seems they should have the last time she was seen on camera. Whatever hotel they were staying at should have video.

I do agree with you on him being too frail to do the job himself. If he's responsible, he hired the job out. And, when I say if.. There's some doubt, but I'm like 75/25 that he is responsible. Probably moreso than that.

dynoguy88
03-10-2022, 07:56 PM
Could be, despite the different middle initial. He deserves to be locked up a good long time.

I don't think that's him. He has a much more round head than our legendary nerdy possessive boyfriend. And while close in age, it's not exact. That Randal was 57 in 2015. Nerdy possessive boyfriend Randall (date of birth 12-24-62) would have been 53.

It astounds me that this guy never got caught. Especially since, even in his mid 50's, I can still picture him living in his mother's basement.

Killarney Rose
03-10-2022, 11:53 PM
The nose looks too different, but maybe not the ears. Overall, he looks different in the face.

freakbook
03-11-2022, 12:31 AM
Ed Baker

Huskerz85
03-15-2022, 01:38 PM
Woody Kelly
Philip Breen
Jack Quinn

As for Al Henderson, I'm torn. He had no motive (at least that we know of), but it's the surveillance that's the big stickler for me.

The fact that casinos & the like are brimming with cameras everywhere should be glaringly obvious. Assuming Al wasn't ignorant of this, why would he lie about Jean being in a certain place at a certain time?? (knowing that the surveillance would catch him in that lie)

Maybe he was arrogant enough to bet he wouldn't be caught. That explanation I could buy.

That doesn't jive at all though with his reported efforts to find her. If you craft an alibi with a gigantic hole or two (the surveillance) that the authorities would eventually pick up on, why go to the lengths that Al did and waste time/money/effort like that?? (this question is still pertinent even if he hired someone to off Jean - if he's smart enough to do that, why invite suspicion like he did?)

FanfromES
03-17-2022, 07:42 PM
Woody Kelly
Philip Breen
Jack Quinn

As for Al Henderson, I'm torn. He had no motive (at least that we know of), but it's the surveillance that's the big stickler for me.

The fact that casinos & the like are brimming with cameras everywhere should be glaringly obvious. Assuming Al wasn't ignorant of this, why would he lie about Jean being in a certain place at a certain time?? (knowing that the surveillance would catch him in that lie)

Maybe he was arrogant enough to bet he wouldn't be caught. That explanation I could buy.

That doesn't jive at all though with his reported efforts to find her. If you craft an alibi with a gigantic hole or two (the surveillance) that the authorities would eventually pick up on, why go to the lengths that Al did and waste time/money/effort like that?? (this question is still pertinent even if he hired someone to off Jean - if he's smart enough to do that, why invite suspicion like he did?)

Maybe Al didn't think of the cameras at the casino. After all, this happened 30 years ago and surveillance video wasn't as ubiquitous as today.

FanfromES
03-17-2022, 08:04 PM
Ed Barbara

MegtheEgg86
03-19-2022, 10:13 AM
Scott Hill. He ran up immense debt, disappeared on his family and left them to deal with it, and was taken right back in once they found him again via the show.

Jon
03-20-2022, 04:03 PM
Scott Hill. He ran up immense debt, disappeared on his family and left them to deal with it, and was taken right back in once they found him again via the show.

I would really like to see that segment again…seems to be unavailable