Did anyone notice when Archie found out about Mikes friend not serving , they over dubbed Archie saying ,"God Damn war", ! He REALLY looked upset during that scene. I wonder if it had somthing personally to do with him??

Out of all the episodes, I've never seen Archie blow his stack like he did in that one

Definitely my favorite Archie moment from AITF.

Originally posted by taviz:
Did anyone notice when Archie found out about Mikes friend not serving , they over dubbed Archie saying ,"God Damn war", ! He REALLY looked upset during that scene. I wonder if it had somthing personally to do with him??

I've always wondered if he broke character in that scene; he was really intense.

He did break character, he put his heart into that moment like no other time, he was very much a liberal person in reality and I do believe he opposed the war personally, so that end of it was the acting. However, he put his true emotions about the war which, like all of us when it comes to Vietnam, is sadness for those who lost their lives for their country. Whether you supported the war or not the one thing that was constant was the sadness for the loss of American life to the Vietnam War. Believe me, Carroll expressed that tremendous sadness for the entire country, which can turn into anger and rage after awhile, in that scene. In my opinion, it was the single most memorable TV moment in history and only Carroll could have given us that moment at that time, it was perfection.

I guess the Vietnam War could be taken like this war were PRESENTLY in with the terrorists

corwayn2:
Let's hope when this is all over that we do not have the same result (from an American standpoint) we did during and after the Vietnam War. I think that would be disastrous for this world.

Nick at Nite has aired The Draft Dodger. Yet another revisiting of
one of the great performaces in television history by Carroll. I
hope everyone here got to watch it and taped it if they hadn't
already and most importantly I hope all who watched fully grasped how magnificent Archie was in it. Please, if there is one more thing you wanted to remember Carroll for, remember him for the performance that just aired.

It scared me a little when he got reaaallly mad. I thought his head was going to explode in that ep! that was really a great performance though:happyface

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That scene was the most intense and emotional one I have ever seen. And I to noticed immediately after watching it that his emotions were real. I have watched that scene over and over because it always touches me so deeply. And you can just sense the tension throughout everyone around the table as well as the audience. I liked the end where they showed the wreath with peace written on it hanging on the door. What a beautiful message.

I was just on the imdb website reading a mini biography of Carroll O'connor. It turns out he was in the Military. He worked on ships in the Merchant Marines in 1943 I believe. So that probably was a huge reason for all the emotions that he showed in The Draft Dodger episode.

I have a question about The Draft Dodger episode. Simply titled when Mike invites a Draft Dodger for dinner. I heard that the original airing of the episode had a powerful line said by Archie on the war that was over dubbed for its power. However, in syndication that line is edited and I also heard it is edited on the DVD. Can anyone confirm this?

Jack

I have a question about The Draft Dodger episode. Simply titled when Mike invites a Draft Dodger for dinner. I heard that the original airing of the episode had a powerful line said by Archie on the war that was over dubbed for its power. However, in syndication that line is edited and I also heard it is edited on the DVD. Can anyone confirm this?

Jack

Yes Archie stated he "didn't want to talk about that God Damn war anymore." This was overdubbed to "rotten damn war."

I heard the dubbed line was how it originally aired.

Was "All in the Family" also first at saying "hell" or was that just a first for sitcoms?

Was "All in the Family" also first at saying "hell" or was that just a first for sitcoms?
On the famous Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever," after Joan Collins' character (whom Capt. Kirk loved) is killed in a car accident that he did not prevent so that the proper timeline could be restored, he, Spock and Bones return to the present. As they prepare to beam back up to the Enterprise, Kirk says, "Let's get the hell out of here." This was strong stuff for television in 1967, but the censors allowed it because of the drama of Kirk having to watch a woman that he truly loved (not just had a fling with, like most of the others) die a violent death, when he could have prevented it.

Was "All in the Family" also first at saying "hell" or was that just a first for sitcoms?

On the famous Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever," after Joan Collins' character (whom Capt. Kirk loved) is killed in a car accident that he did not prevent so that the proper timeline could be restored, he, Spock and Bones return to the present. As they prepare to beam back up to the Enterprise, Kirk says, "Let's get the hell out of here." This was strong stuff for television in 1967, but the censors allowed it because of the drama of Kirk having to watch a woman that he truly loved (not just had a fling with, like most of the others) die a violent death, when he could have prevented it.

The word "hell" was used in at least 5 episodes of The Twilight Zone

"Judgment Night"

Leutnant Mueller: I've had dreams about it. Perhaps there is a special kind of hell for people like us.

"Execution"

Joe Caswell: And that's supposed to be justice, huh? I died once already, mister. I've been to hell. Now I'm back.

"Five Characters in Search of an Exit"

The Major: "We are in hell. God help us, we are in hell"

"The Hunt"

Hyder Simpson: Son, it'd be a hell of a place without Rip.
The Messenger: Mr. Simpson, you ain't far wrong. That is Hell. Heaven's up yonder apiece.

"The Bewitchin' Pool"

Sport Sharewood: "They go to hell and get burned-up."

Star Trek and All in the Family were the 1st to use the word "Hell" as a curse or swear word. The examples used from Twilight zone use the word to refer to a place. NOT the same thing.

Star Trek and All in the Family were the 1st to use the word "Hell" as a curse or swear word. The examples used from Twilight zone use the word to refer to a place. NOT the same thing.

Maybe so but it was still one of the earliest times that the word "hell" was used on TV and it didn't matter if it was referring to the place or the swear word.

And in this instance it refers to the swear word.

"The Hunt"

Hyder Simpson: Son, it'd be a hell of a place without Rip.

So The Twilight Zone was in fact the earliest known TV series to use the word "hell" as a swear word.

On the famous Star Trek episode "The City on the Edge of Forever," after Joan Collins' character (whom Capt. Kirk loved) is killed in a car accident that he did not prevent so that the proper timeline could be restored, he, Spock and Bones return to the present. As they prepare to beam back up to the Enterprise, Kirk says, "Let's get the hell out of here." This was strong stuff for television in 1967, but the censors allowed it because of the drama of Kirk having to watch a woman that he truly loved (not just had a fling with, like most of the others) die a violent death, when he could have prevented it.
wow! I'm a HUUUUGE "treky" and I never knew that!