a House and will stay home with the kids to be a house wife since her husband got a promotion at the firehouse:lol:

See? No spinoff............ Plus Maude said she is only 45 mins from Florida lol

Good Times is a revamped Norman Lear Comedy:wave:

a House and will stay home with the kids to be a house wife since her husband got a promotion at the firehouse:lol:

See? No spinoff............ Plus Maude said she is only 45 mins from Florida lol

Good Times is a revamped Norman Lear Comedy:wave:

It's a Spiritual Successor I guess since Florida Evans name appears in BOTH Series.

a House and will stay home with the kids to be a house wife since her husband got a promotion at the firehouse:lol:

See? No spinoff............ Plus Maude said she is only 45 mins from Florida lol

Good Times is a revamped Norman Lear Comedy:wave:

I will never understand how so many people are convinced that Good Times is a spin off. This is just further proof that it is NOT a spin off of anything!

a House and will stay home with the kids to be a house wife since her husband got a promotion at the firehouse:lol:

See? No spinoff............ Plus Maude said she is only 45 mins from Florida lol

Good Times is a revamped Norman Lear Comedy:wave:
It’s called discontinuity and inconsistency my man. But let’s not stir this up again.

I will never understand how so many people are convinced that Good Times is a spin off. This is just further proof that it is NOT a spin off of anything!
Maybe it’s because the character Florida Evans appeared on both Maude and Good Times?

I will never understand how so many people are convinced that Good Times is a spin off. This is just further proof that it is NOT a spin off of anything!

I dont know why he didnt just call it a Norman Lear comedy like he did One Day at a Time and change her name

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Yeah! It really isn't a spinoff in the traditional way ( a character leaves one show and gets her own show and is the exact same person with the exact same family and exact same life except the person might be moving away or changing jobs, changing their life in some way ( like for instance Rhoda leaving Minneapolis and moving back to NY where her family lived and getting married, but she still was the same Rhoda)! ;)

Florida the housekeeper of Maude in NY , the only thing she had in common with Florida in Chicago was her name! It was NEVER said that Florida left Maude's employment and moved to Chicago! Her Husband ( although he was played by the same actor) had a different name and a different profession ! Nothing about NY Florida and Chicago Florida were the same except the same actress and same name !;) The character was completely different ! ;)

So I am leaning towards TV Fact fan and Wawwie's opinion in saying that Good Times really wasn't a spinoff of Maude!;) Norman Lear just rehashed a character (Florida) but made her a whole new/different person , nothing to do at all with the Florida on Maude, two different people / not a spinoff IMO!!:)

So I am leaning towards TV Fact fan and Wawwie's opinion in saying that Good Times really wasn't a spinoff of Maude!;)

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Bart is wrong!!!!!!!!! ;):cool::wave:

Yeah! It really isn't a spinoff in the traditional way ( a character leaves one show and gets her own show and is the exact same person with the exact same family and exact same life except the person might be moving away or changing jobs, changing their life in some way ( like for instance Rhoda leaving Minneapolis and moving back to NY where her family lived and getting married, but she still was the same Rhoda)! ;)

Florida the housekeeper of Maude in NY , the only thing she had in common with Florida in Chicago was her name! It was NEVER said that Florida left Maude's employment and moved to Chicago! Her Husband ( although he was played by the same actor) had a different name and a different profession ! Nothing about NY Florida and Chicago Florida were the same except the same actress and same name !;) The character was completely different ! ;)

So I am leaning towards TV Fact fan and Wawwie's opinion in saying that Good Times really wasn't a spinoff of Maude!;) Norman Lear just rehashed a character (Florida) but made her a whole new/different person , nothing to do at all with the Florida on Maude, two different people / not a spinoff IMO!!:)



Well most good times fans never watched Maude so they would never know anyway. I didnt find out esther rolle and john amos was on maude until I was a grown man. But I can see people back then being confused as hell when good times started lol

Well most good times fans never watched Maude so they would never know anyway. I didnt find out esther rolle and john amos was on maude until I was a grown man. But I can see people back then being confused as hell when good times started lol

Not if they bought TV Guide :wave:

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Not if they bought TV Guide :wave:

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I dont see the word spinoff in that promo:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah! It really isn't a spinoff in the traditional way ( a character leaves one show and gets her own show and is the exact same person with the exact same family and exact same life except the person might be moving away or changing jobs, changing their life in some way ( like for instance Rhoda leaving Minneapolis and moving back to NY where her family lived and getting married, but she still was the same Rhoda)! ;)

Florida the housekeeper of Maude in NY , the only thing she had in common with Florida in Chicago was her name! It was NEVER said that Florida left Maude's employment and moved to Chicago! Her Husband ( although he was played by the same actor) had a different name and a different profession ! Nothing about NY Florida and Chicago Florida were the same except the same actress and same name !;) The character was completely different ! ;)

So I am leaning towards TV Fact fan and Wawwie's opinion in saying that Good Times really wasn't a spinoff of Maude!;) Norman Lear just rehashed a character (Florida) but made her a whole new/different person , nothing to do at all with the Florida on Maude, two different people / not a spinoff IMO!!:)
Come on, Bonnie. I thought you was on my side.

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Well at least somebody is on my side.

Well at least somebody is on my side.

History and rightness is on your side

I dont see the word spinoff in that promo:lol::lol::lol:

That’s all you need? Easy. Here ya go :wave:

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History and rightness is on your side

That CBS promo is on my side:lol:

Wow! I think it was a sign of the times!;) Back than things weren't questioned as much! Before internet/ TV message boards etc. things just were what they were ! I mean I totally remember this! I remember when Florida ( Esther Rolle) left Maude and got her own show! It was like Wow OK it IS Florida. but she's now in Chicago and poorer than before:confused: but Oh well , it's a new show and that is that! That was the attitude back than, we didn't question things as much! ;)

Like why Dino on the Flintstones was sometimes purple and sometimes like a dark pinkish red color! I mean we had to have noticed that back in the day that he wasn't always the same color all the time right? :crazy: But it is only now that people are questioning it , there have been posts about this here on S.O. :D

See what I mean?:cool:

I dont see the word spinoff in that promo:lol::lol::lol:
I found it! I finally found it! The big Good Times sendoff.

Maude and Walter throw a surprise farewell party for Henry and Florida after they announce that they’re relocating to Chicago in order for Henry to be closer to his new job nearby. Heads turn though as J.J. makes a grand entrance with his biracial girlfriend, Janet and her parents, Terry and Helena Williams, much to Henry’s dismay. To make matters worse, Henry later finds out that he’s been laid off from his new job. Unwilling to adjust to project life, Henry transforms into his alter ego, James Evans.

Guest Stars: Isabel Sanford as Mother Evans, Bernadette Stanis as Thelma Evans, Ralph Carter as Michael Evans, and more

Wow! I think it was a sign of the times!;) Back than things weren't questioned as much! Before internet/ TV message boards etc. things just were what they were ! I mean I totally remember this! I remember when Florida ( Esther Rolle) left Maude and got her own show! It was like Wow OK it IS Florida. but she's now in Chicago and poorer than before:confused: but Oh well , it's a new show and that is that! That was the attitude back than, we didn't question things as much! ;)

Like why Dino on the Flintstones was sometimes purple and sometimes like a dark pinkish red color! I mean we had to have noticed that back in the day that he wasn't always the same color all the time right? :crazy: But it is only now that people are questioning it , there have been posts about this here on S.O. :D

See what I mean?:cool:
I get where you’re coming from and you are making pretty valid and cogent points but look at The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction. Bea Benaderet played Cousin Pearl Bodine on The Beverly Hillbillies, but when she got her own spinoff, she played a whole other character, Kate Bradley. But The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction still did crossovers here and there and mentioned each other from time to time. You still consider Petticoat Junction a spinoff, don’t you?

History and rightness is on your side
True that.

I found it! I finally found it! The big Good Times sendoff.

Maude and Walter throw a surprise farewell party for Henry and Florida after they announce that they’re relocating to Chicago in order for Henry to be closer to his new job nearby. Heads turn though as J.J. makes a grand entrance with his biracial girlfriend, Janet and her parents, Terry and Helena Williams, much to Henry’s dismay. To make matters worse, Henry later finds out that he’s been laid off from his new job. Unwilling to adjust to project life, Henry transforms into his alter ego, James Evans.

Guest Stars: Isabel Sanford as Mother Evans, Bernadette Stanis as Thelma Evans, Ralph Carter as Michael Evans, and more

I actually called it that years ago, Send Off

I found it! I finally found it! The big Good Times sendoff.

Maude and Walter throw a surprise farewell party for Henry and Florida after they announce that they’re relocating to Chicago in order for Henry to be closer to his new job nearby. Heads turn though as J.J. makes a grand entrance with his biracial girlfriend, Janet and her parents, Terry and Helena Williams, much to Henry’s dismay. To make matters worse, Henry later finds out that he’s been laid off from his new job. Unwilling to adjust to project life, Henry transforms into his alter ego, James Evans.

Guest Stars: Isabel Sanford as Mother Evans, Bernadette Stanis as Thelma Evans, Ralph Carter as Michael Evans, and more

When I was watching her last episode I thought I was going to see her actually come out of the kitchen after hugging maude and both her and henry walk out the door. Instead the episode ends with her and Maude crying in the kitchen

When I was watching her last episode I thought I was going to see her actually come out of the kitchen after hugging maude and both her and henry walk out the door. Instead the episode ends with her and Maude crying in the kitchen
Yeah the ending was sorta disappointing.

When I was watching her last episode I thought I was going to see her actually come out of the kitchen after hugging maude and both her and henry walk out the door. Instead the episode ends with her and Maude crying in the kitchen

Walter and James are at the bar having a drink.

Mother Evans oversees Walter and James drinking at the bar and walks up to James, concerned, angry, and confrontational.

Mother Evans: James, that’s your third glass today. Put that glass down!

James: Will you quit naggin’ me woman?!!

Mother Evans: Now, James, I have spoken. You put that glass down!

James: Mama, will you lay off me, damnit??!

Mother Evans: James, I’m not gonna-

James: Look, mama, I don’t need you to blow my nose. Now will you please leave me alone?!!

Walter: Now, James, that ain’t a very nice way to talk to ya mammy there, ain’t it?

Mother Evans: Who you callin’ Mammy?!!! I’m old enough to be George Jefferson’s wife.

Yeah the ending was sorta disappointing.

Especially since Henry was waiting for her:lol:

Walter and James are at the bar having a drink.

Mother Evans oversees Walter and James drinking at the bar and walks up to James, concerned, angry, and confrontational.

Mother Evans: James, that’s your third glass today. Put that glass down!

James: Will you quit naggin’ me woman?!!

Mother Evans: Now, James, I have spoken. You put that glass down!

James: Mama, will you lay off me, damnit??!

Mother Evans: James, I’m not gonna-

James: Look, mama, I don’t need you to blow my nose. Now will you please leave me alone?!!

Walter: Now, James, that ain’t a very nice way to talk to ya mammy there, ain’t it?

Mother Evans: Who you callin’ Mammy?!!! I’m old enough to be George Jefferson’s wife.


lol

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Florida: Hi, Mother Evans.

Mother Evans: Get out my way!

Florida: What’s wrong with ya mama, Henry? That’s the nicest she’s ever been to me.

James: Walter called her Mammy.

Florida: Oh.

lol
If that wasn’t enough they also played the dozens. LOL. Get ready for it.

J.J. enters the room with his girlfriend, Janet.

J.J.: Me and my chick outta site! He there, man, (referring to Arthur) step aside for KID DYNOMITE!

Thelma walks up to J.J.

Thelma: My brother J.J. just smooth talked another chick. I don’t know how, he’s just a stick.

J.J.: Thelma, Thelma, Thelma. Ya face is toe up and ya cookin is bad so get outta my face fore’ ya wish ya had.

Janet’s father, Terry, then walks further into the room.

Terry: Hey, this looks fun. I love this driving.

Helena: Jiving, Terry, jiving.

Terry walks up to Michael, laughing.

Terry: Hey there, boy. Wanna play? Basketball, football, anything that ends with l. You don’t belong here, go to school and learn to spell.

Michael: First of all, honkey, boy is a white racist word. So back off and leave me alone fore’ I squash you like a bird.

LOL.

I am sticking with TVFactFan and Bonniegirl. There is no way that Good Times is a true spin off of anything. If it was a spinoff, it would be the LAMEST, POINTLESS, DUMBEST spin off ever! Henry (James) leaves his well paying fireman job to become a poor dishwasher and car washer in Chicago??? That doesn't even make sense not to mention that he changes his name. :crazy::confused:

Good Times really pissed me off with the whole thing about pretending that Carl never existed. They should have written him off instead of insulting the audience by hoping we'd forget him all together. Lazy and stupid.

Good times is not a spin off in a traditional way. However it still is a spin off. If Florida was never on Maude, there would never been Good Times. Norman loved Florida's character and wanted to create a show for her. Its very similar when Maude appeared on All In The Family. Norman loved the character and gave her a show of her own.
Also similar to Mork and Mindy spun off Happy Days. Either show has nothing to do with the other but Mork's appearance on the show led to a show of his own.

I am sticking with TVFactFan and Bonniegirl. There is no way that Good Times is a true spin off of anything. If it was a spinoff, it would be the LAMEST, POINTLESS, DUMBEST spin off ever! Henry (James) leaves his well paying fireman job to become a poor dishwasher and car washer in Chicago??? That doesn't even make sense not to mention that he changes his name. :crazy::confused:

Good Times really pissed me off with the whole thing about pretending that Carl never existed. They should have written him off instead of insulting the audience by hoping we'd forget him all together. Lazy and stupid.
I agree with you on the Carl mess that was pathetic but I’m sorry to disappoint but Good Times IS a spinoff a Maude. Do I have to look up the definition of spinoff for you? Look at The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction.

Good times is not a spin off in a traditional way. However it still is a spin off. If Florida was never on Maude, there would never been Good Times. Norman loved Florida's character and wanted to create a show for her. Its very similar when Maude appeared on All In The Family. Norman loved the character and gave her a show of her own.
Also similar to Mork and Mindy spun off Happy Days. Either show has nothing to do with the other but Mork's appearance on the show led to a show of his own.
Thank you! That’s what I’m trying to get TVFactFan, Wawwie, and Bonniegirl to see. As long as Florida Evans appeared on both shows, it IS a spinoff.

Norman was selling characters. He didn't give them shows, he sold them to networks.



This identifies the basic question: is it a spinoff as the word is used, rather than as some individual thinks a spinoff should be?
No
I can tell you see the world only in black and white. Just like your response to the Archie Bunker simple question. You took it to a literal meaning, that the characters are not real LOL. Need I remind you we are discussing sitcoms and sitcom characters here. That's the entire point of this forum. We all can say the same thing to every thread....sitcoms are not real. End of story.

Selling a character to a network means creating a sitcom. You can believe different and you are entitled to your opinion. But that is how lots of sitcoms are developed.

Without Florida on Maude there would be no Good Times. She is the same character with the same name. The shows are not related other than the same character. Before you have a chicken, you first need an egg ;)

I am sticking with TVFactFan and Bonniegirl. There is no way that Good Times is a true spin off of anything. If it was a spinoff, it would be the LAMEST, POINTLESS, DUMBEST spin off ever! Henry (James) leaves his well paying fireman job to become a poor dishwasher and car washer in Chicago??? That doesn't even make sense not to mention that he changes his name. :crazy::confused:

Good Times really pissed me off with the whole thing about pretending that Carl never existed. They should have written him off instead of insulting the audience by hoping we'd forget him all together. Lazy and stupid.

If you look at that promo it doesnt even promote it as a comedy just a new family friendly comedy created by the same people that created All in the family and maude

Good times is not a spin off in a traditional way. However it still is a spin off. If Florida was never on Maude, there would never been Good Times. Norman loved Florida's character and wanted to create a show for her. Its very similar when Maude appeared on All In The Family. Norman loved the character and gave her a show of her own.
Also similar to Mork and Mindy spun off Happy Days. Either show has nothing to do with the other but Mork's appearance on the show led to a show of his own.

Poor example, because it was a pilot episode for Maude and Mork and Mindy, not good times

If you look at that promo it doesnt even promote it as a comedy just a new family friendly comedy created by the same people that created All in the family and maude
What do you want it to say? Henry transforms into his alter ego, James and moves on down to the southside to a small cramped apartment in the Chi with Florida? LOL.

What do you want it to say? Henry transforms into his alter ego, James and moves on down to the southside to a small cramped apartment in the Chi with Florida? LOL.

Im just pointing out what the promo says, nothing about a spinoff just a new family comedy series

Im just pointing out what the promo says, nothing about a spinoff just a new family comedy series
The more and more I make references to The Jeffersons the more and more I wish Good Times was a poor version of The Jeffersons. LOL.

Poor example, because it was a pilot episode for Maude and Mork and Mindy, not good times
Well I dont want to debate Mork and Mindy but that was not a pilot episode. In fact, Robin Williams was not even originally cast to be on Happy Days so that just proves it was not a pilot episode. But it is a false urban legend that it was a pilot episode of Mork and Mindy. The original actor who was to play the alien got very sick and Robin Williams was a last attempt to keep the episode. As Williams wrote, his sickness changed his career. A child of one of the writers was a big fan of Star Wars and they wondered what it would be like to write space aliens into the show. If it was well received then maybe a show.
However, like I said, I don't want to debate Mork and Mindy. Lets compare apples to apples. If Fonzie left Happy Days with another show where he owned a restaurant and had nothing to do with Happy Days anymore but he still went by the name Fonzie and he got is fame from Happy Days. Would you not think it was some sort of spin off? That is my point. Of course its not a spin off in the original sense. But her character Florida was very famous and popular on the show. Sure enough, she leaves Maude but her character shows up on another show. Its not pure spin off but its definitely some sort of spin off because the character was popular enough to have their own show. Yes some things don't add up in typical sitcom fashion. Without Maude there would be no Florida. Without Florida, there would be no Good Times.

Well I dont want to debate Mork and Mindy but that was not a pilot episode. In fact, Robin Williams was not even originally cast to be on Happy Days so that just proves it was not a pilot episode. But it is a false urban legend that it was a pilot episode of Mork and Mindy. The original actor who was to play the alien got very sick and Robin Williams was a last attempt to keep the episode. As Williams wrote, his sickness changed his career. A child of one of the writers was a big fan of Star Wars and they wondered what it would be like to write space aliens into the show. If it was well received then maybe a show.
However, like I said, I don't want to debate Mork and Mindy. Lets compare apples to apples. If Fonzie left Happy Days with another show where he owned a restaurant and had nothing to do with Happy Days anymore but he still went by the name Fonzie and he got is fame from Happy Days. Would you not think it was some sort of spin off? That is my point. Of course its not a spin off in the original sense. But her character Florida was very famous and popular on the show. Sure enough, she leaves Maude but her character shows up on another show. Its not pure spin off but its definitely some sort of spin off because the character was popular enough to have their own show. Yes some things don't add up in typical sitcom fashion. Without Maude there would be no Florida. Without Florida, there would be no Good Times.


The Fonz appeared in the first episode of Mork and Mindy and Archie and Edith visited Maude at her home. Poor examples

Here's the original Good Times review from the NY Daily News in 1974. They toss a new word in to the mix. They say it's derived from Maude.

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/good-times-fine-cast-laughs-1974-review-article-1.2524466

Here's the original Good Times review from the NY Daily News in 1974. They toss a new word in to the mix. They say it's derived from Maude.

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/good-times-fine-cast-laughs-1974-review-article-1.2524466
Thank you for providing that link. Unfortunately, knowing TVFactFan, that’s not gonna change his opinion.

Here's the original Good Times review from the NY Daily News in 1974. They toss a new word in to the mix. They say it's derived from Maude.

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/good-times-fine-cast-laughs-1974-review-article-1.2524466


Yup no spinoff term just a new show and the names of the creators

Here's the original Good Times review from the NY Daily News in 1974. They toss a new word in to the mix. They say it's derived from Maude.

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/good-times-fine-cast-laughs-1974-review-article-1.2524466
And I just provided the synopsis to that sendoff so that should’ve been enough to convince TVFactFan. LOL. He doesn’t remember Mother Evans, Janet, or Terry and Helena Williams? :lol:

But I do know why the location of Good times is not in NYC, its because the show was created before Maude existed and the location was Chicago with Different names. So since lear got involved he used a character from a show that was already on TV to take credit for it and never changed the location:lol:

Thank you for providing that link. Unfortunately, knowing TVFactFan, that’s not gonna change his opinion.

I'm trying to track down the original Good Times TV Guide review. Anyone got that lying around?

But I do know why the location of Good times is not in NYC, its because the show was created before Maude existed and the location was Chicago with Different names. So since lear got involved he used a character from a show that was already on TV to take credit for it and never changed the location:lol:
I explained this to you already man. You see, Henry and Florida announced that they were relocating to Chicago to be closer to Henry’s new job nearby. So out of generosity, Walter and Maude throw them a surprise farewell party. Things later backfire when Henry finds out that he got laid off from his new job and he turns into his alter ego James, unwilling to adjust to project life. The lost original CBS pilot episode does start with Henry and Florida saying goodbye to Walter, Maude, Carol, Arthur, and Vivian and Cousin Wilbert relocating James, Florida, J.J., Thelma and Michael to the Chicago Projects by custom wagon. LOL.

Here's the original Good Times review from the NY Daily News in 1974. They toss a new word in to the mix. They say it's derived from Maude.

https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/good-times-fine-cast-laughs-1974-review-article-1.2524466
Thank you thank you

That was the word I was looking for.

Yup no spinoff term just a new show and the names of the creators
LOL, I seriously cant believe you are sticking to your guns. Most of us have been saying its loosely a spin off which means derived.

Derived definition: Obtain something from a specific source. A logical extension or modification (from websters)

Those definitions define what a spin off is. Yes we know the characters did not appear on each other's show. But the very popular character from Maude was spun off to have her own show. There is really no debate about this. Its all in good fun though.

I'm trying to track down the original Good Times TV Guide review. Anyone got that lying around?



These days seriers aren't created-they're fathered, or as the case may be, mothered. All in the Family fathered Maude, for example, and now Maude has up and mothered this show. Just as Maude was a first character in one episode of All in the Family and then had her own show, so no has Florida(Esther Rolle), who was just a maid in Maude. Since the great white father of it all is Norman Lear, what you probably expected him to come up with this time was a Black All in the Family. You don't quite get it-It's not just satire. But neither is it just another situation comedy. We'd call it a remarkable combination o both-part sitcom, part satcom.


One thing is certain. Good Times is the best of the new second-season shows, and it has a first-rate cast. Miss Rolle plays the mother not only as if she knows what one is, but as if she enjoys it. As a result, we do too. "What a Day!" she says in one scene. "James Jr. hassling me to go out and do something illegal. James Sr. is out hussling pool, which is immoral. You're trying to drag me off to welfare , which is embarassing. And do you know what my horoscope said this morning? "Let a smile be your umbrella." John Amos is no slouch as her husband. He is Forceful and forth-right, and Florida describes him best: "Don't all magazines say that our woman are head of the house?" she askes her friend. "They sure do," her friend says. "Well says Florida, "somebody better tell James." After all these years of nambys for mothers and pambys for fathers, this couple is something else.

The children too are formidable. The scene stealer is perhaps the youngest, Michael, who is played by Ralph Carter, but don't overlook the eldest, "J.J." (Jimmie Walker). He's at his best when he's tormenting his sister, Thelma, ("Look who got back from her honeymoon with the bathroom mirror"). But Thelma (played by Bernadette) can return the compliment. "If you was born in Detroit," she tells him, "you'd have been recalled for being dangerously ugly." Finally, there's their divorced neighbor, Willona, who is excellently played by Janet Dubios. "Don't you ever come in without making a joke?" Florida asked her. "No," she replies, "but last night I went out wth one."

All the performers are fine, and they often do whole vignettes with one another-little shows within the main virtue here is the fine dialouge. They're a bit strong on the toilet jokes, but satire is not neglected. The white establishment gets its lumps-from Mayor Daley ("what did you do James," Willona asked in one show, when he's got a fistful of money, "go partners with the Chicago Police?") all the way to television. At the end of one episode, Michael declares he would like, for a change, to see an all-black show. "Where you gonna find one?" asks James. "Here's one," replies Michael, "The Los Angeles Lakers against the Milwaukee Bucks." We've got a feeling he'd like watching this show to. He should.


Cleveland Amory, April 1974, TV Guide Critic

Yup no spinoff term just a new show and the names of the creators

Further proof of what we already know. It is NOT a spin-off. It was "derived" which means it's just inspired by the show Maude.

Further proof of what we already know. It is NOT a spin-off. It was "derived" which means it's just inspired by the show Maude.

Im going to start digging up my old articles that had a quote from alan manings the producer........"it's really not a spinoff":lol:

These days seriers aren't created-they're fathered, or as the case may be, mothered. All in the Family fathered Maude, for example, and now Maude has up and mothered this show. Just as Maude was a first character in one episode of All in the Family and then had her own show, so no has Florida(Esther Rolle), who was just a maid in Maude. Since the great white father of it all is Norman Lear, what you probably expected him to come up with this time was a Black All in the Family. You don't quite get it-It's not just satire. But neither is it just another situation comedy. We'd call it a remarkable combination o both-part sitcom, part satcom.


One thing is certain. Good Times is the best of the new second-season shows, and it has a first-rate cast. Miss Rolle plays the mother not only as if she knows what one is, but as if she enjoys it. As a result, we do too. "What a Day!" she says in one scene. "James Jr. hassling me to go out and do something illegal. James Sr. is out hussling pool, which is immoral. You're trying to drag me off to welfare , which is embarassing. And do you know what my horoscope said this morning? "Let a smile be your umbrella." John Amos is no slouch as her husband. He is Forceful and forth-right, and Florida describes him best: "Don't all magazines say that our woman are head of the house?" she askes her friend. "They sure do," her friend says. "Well says Florida, "somebody better tell James." After all these years of nambys for mothers and pambys for fathers, this couple is something else.

The children too are formidable. The scene stealer is perhaps the youngest, Michael, who is played by Ralph Carter, but don't overlook the eldest, "J.J." (Jimmie Walker). He's at his best when he's tormenting his sister, Thelma, ("Look who got back from her honeymoon with the bathroom mirror"). But Thelma (played by Bernadette) can return the compliment. "If you was born in Detroit," she tells him, "you'd have been recalled for being dangerously ugly." Finally, there's their divorced neighbor, Willona, who is excellently played by Janet Dubios. "Don't you ever come in without making a joke?" Florida asked her. "No," she replies, "but last night I went out wth one."

All the performers are fine, and they often do whole vignettes with one another-little shows within the main virtue here is the fine dialouge. They're a bit strong on the toilet jokes, but satire is not neglected. The white establishment gets its lumps-from Mayor Daley ("what did you do James," Willona asked in one show, when he's got a fistful of money, "go partners with the Chicago Police?") all the way to television. At the end of one episode, Michael declares he would like, for a change, to see an all-black show. "Where you gonna find one?" asks James. "Here's one," replies Michael, "The Los Angeles Lakers against the Milwaukee Bucks." We've got a feeling he'd like watching this show to. He should.


Cleveland Amory, April 1974, TV Guide Critic

Thanks. Looked like TV Guide liked it better then the Daily News did.

Im going to start digging up my old articles that had a quote from alan manings the producer........"it's really not a spinoff":lol:
Did he create the show? Is he Norman Lear or Eric Monte?

Thanks. Looked like TV Guide liked it better then the Daily News did.

Yup its from TV Guide, April of 74

Did he create the show? Is he Norman Lear or Eric Monte?

Executive producer

Wikipedia calls the Show a full spin off of Maude. It even names episodes in Good Times where Florida recalls her prior work as a maid. From Maude, Florida's husband name was changed from Henry to James. For us that were alive and watching in real time, we remember Florida was really the main reason Maude was a success. Once she left for her own show, it was never the same. Maude was the liberal Archie Bunker and the black maid had none of it. She would put Maude in her place and counter Maude's liberal stereotypes.
Here is the wikipedia link. I seriously cannot believe we are even discussing this. A hit character on a hit tv show gets their own show and people doubt the origins? Strange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Times

double post

Further proof of what we already know. It is NOT a spin-off. It was "derived" which means it's just inspired by the show Maude.
According to Merriam-Webster:

derive-to take, receive, or obtain especially from a specified source (in this case Maude).

I’ll say it again. It doesn’t matter that The Evans Family relocated from NYC to Chicago without an explanation. As much as I would’ve loved for the family to relocate to Harlem instead of Chicago and crossover and make direct references to Maude here and there, as long as Florida appeared on Maude, it’s a spinoff. It doesn’t matter if Henry’s name was James in Good Times and he worked at low paying, unrewarding jobs such as the garage and the car wash and washed dishes instead of being a fireman. It doesn’t matter if the name Henry was given to James’s father after Henry and Florida transitioned to Good Times and Henry’s name was changed to James. It doesn’t matter if Florida was Maude’s maid on Maude but a housewife on Good Times. Florida Evans appeared on Maude AND Good Times, same first and last name, same actress, same personality, bottom line, damnit.

Wikipedia calls the Show a full spin off of Maude. It even names episodes in Good Times where Florida recalls her prior work as a maid. From Maude, Florida's husband name was changed from Henry to James. For us that were alive and watching in real time, we remember Florida was really the main reason Maude was a success. Once she left for her own show, it was never the same. Maude was the liberal Archie Bunker and the black maid had none of it. She would put Maude in her place and counter Maude's liberal stereotypes.
Here is the wikipedia link. I seriously cannot believe we are even discussing this. A hit character on a hit tv show gets their own show and people doubt the origins? Strange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Times


You are eliminated from this discussion. Wikipedia is not a real source

I seriously cannot believe we are even discussing this. A hit character on a hit tv show gets their own show and people doubt the origins?

You’re new. This has been going on here for about 15 years :wave:

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173324

You’re new. This has been going on here for about 15 years :wave:

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173324
I remember first reading that thread when I was a newcomer at Sitcoms Online and I was like, damn, TVFactFan has kept this argument up THIS long? That was the golden age of Sitcoms Online. I remember another Good Times spinoff argument thread from a couple of years ago and that one was even MORE heated.

Executive producer
Then that means his two cents don’t mean sh*t lol

You are eliminated from this discussion. Wikipedia is not a real source

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You are eliminated from this discussion. Wikipedia is not a real source
Now that’s a true and non opinionated fact lol

:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

Officially Ineligible:lol:

I remember first reading that thread when I was a newcomer at Sitcoms Online and I was like, damn, TVFactFan has kept this argument up THIS long? That was the golden age of Sitcoms Online. I remember another Good Times spinoff argument thread from a couple of years ago and that one was even MORE heated.

This one goes back to 2002, which to cause problems I bumped up in 2015 :)

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=47709

I am a firm believer that GoodTimes is not spin off Maude. GoodTimes have totaly different background as when Florida was a maid working for Maude.

For example in one episode of GoodTimes, Alderman Davis came over and told James's children how they have grownup and how he remember when he held them in his arms. And how he helped James moved into project. That mean the Evans family have been in Chicago for a long time.

Alderman Davis never did mention NYC or Maude when reminiscence with James about the old times :D

Folks, it’s a spin-off!!! LOL. Plus, the ad references Florida as Maude’s maid. GAME OVER...for the 179th time!! 😂😂😁

I am a firm believer that GoodTimes is not spin off Maude. GoodTimes have totaly different background as when Florida was a maid working for Maude.

For example in one episode of GoodTimes, Alderman Davis came over and told James's children how they have grownup and how he remember when he held them in his arms. And how he helped James moved into project. That mean the Evans family have been in Chicago for a long time.

Alderman Davis never did mention NYC or Maude when reminiscence with James about the old times :D

EXCELLENT POINT! I didn't even think of that. Now, that is really more proof that Good Times is NOT a Maude spin-off!

EXCELLENT POINT! I didn't even think of that. Now, that is really more proof that Good Times is NOT a Maude spin-off!

Even if the background of the characters have changed in order to accommodate the new television show, the show is still considered a spin off because of the foundational elements that stemmed from the predecessor. And this is coming from someone who has worked in television for almost 14 years! Everything does not have to lineup bit by bit in order for it to be considered a spin off.

I am a firm believer that GoodTimes is not spin off Maude. GoodTimes have totaly different background as when Florida was a maid working for Maude.

For example in one episode of GoodTimes, Alderman Davis came over and told James's children how they have grownup and how he remember when he held them in his arms. And how he helped James moved into project. That mean the Evans family have been in Chicago for a long time.

Alderman Davis never did mention NYC or Maude when reminiscence with James about the old times :D
The Alderman does not have to mention New York City. A Spinoff is basically an element or idea from a predecessor that becomes a focus apart from the predecessor. We have a tendency to focus on every, little fact in note and we always think that they have to match up. In actuality, they really don’t.With that being said, the sitcom good times is a spin off. Also, executive producer Norman Lear backs that up.

Even if the background of the characters have changed in order to accommodate the new television show, the show is still considered a spin off because of the foundational elements that stemmed from the predecessor. And this is coming from someone who has worked in television for almost 14 years! Everything does not have to lineup bit by bit in order for it to be considered a spin off.

That's kinda like saying Golden Girls is a spinoff of Mama's Family because both Rue McCallahan and Betty White appeared on the show. Or that Everybody Loves Raymond is a spinoff of Seinfeld because the "Raymond" character appeared on an episode of Seinfeld as a crazed mechanic. How about What's Happening being a spinoff of Sanford & Son because Haywood Nelson appeared on S&S as Grady's grandson? Where does it end

I am a firm believer that GoodTimes is not spin off Maude. GoodTimes have totaly different background as when Florida was a maid working for Maude.

For example in one episode of GoodTimes, Alderman Davis came over and told James's children how they have grownup and how he remember when he held them in his arms. And how he helped James moved into project. That mean the Evans family have been in Chicago for a long time.

Alderman Davis never did mention NYC or Maude when reminiscence with James about the old times :D


That is because Lear took credit for a show that was created in 1970 lol

That's kinda like saying Golden Girls is a spinoff of Mama's Family because both Rue McCallahan and Betty White appeared on the show. Or that Everybody Loves Raymond is a spinoff of Seinfeld because the "Raymond" character appeared on an episode of Seinfeld as a crazed mechanic. How about What's Happening being a spinoff of Sanford & Son because Haywood Nelson appeared on S&S as Grady's grandson? Where does it end
Actually, it is not. Ellen Jackson and Fran Crowley did not move to Miami. Rose Nylund and Blanche Devereaux been in Miami. So, that’s not really the same. LOL.

That is because Lear took credit for a show that was created in 1970 lol

Well well well. Here we go again. LOL. It is a spin off. Exactly producer backed it up and plus, the sitcom focused on the woman that was Mr. and Mrs. Finley‘s housekeeper.

That's kinda like saying Golden Girls is a spinoff of Mama's Family because both Rue McCallahan and Betty White appeared on the show. Or that Everybody Loves Raymond is a spinoff of Seinfeld because the "Raymond" character appeared on an episode of Seinfeld as a crazed mechanic. How about What's Happening being a spinoff of Sanford & Son because Haywood Nelson appeared on S&S as Grady's grandson? Where does it end


Solid Points

Actually, it is not. Ellen Jackson and Fran Crowley did not move to Miami. Rose Nylund and Blanche Devereaux been in Miami. So, that’s not really the same. LOL.
Thank you, ThomasE. A whole other situation.

Solid Points

Nah. There are no connections between those examples the person gave. That’s a far stretch. 😁

Even if the background of the characters have changed in order to accommodate the new television show, the show is still considered a spin off because of the foundational elements that stemmed from the predecessor. And this is coming from someone who has worked in television for almost 14 years! Everything does not have to lineup bit by bit in order for it to be considered a spin off.

The Alderman does not have to mention New York City. A Spinoff is basically an element or idea from a predecessor that becomes a focus apart from the predecessor. We have a tendency to focus on every, little fact in note and we always think that they have to match up. In actuality, they really don’t.With that being said, the sitcom good times is a spin off. Also, executive producer Norman Lear backs that up.
You are on point! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell TVFactFan and Wawwie but they’re not willing to meet with me.

Actually, it is not. Ellen Jackson and Fran Crowley did not move to Miami. Rose Nylund and Blanche Devereaux been in Miami. So, that’s not really the same. LOL.

But wait... "Henry" from Maude became "James" from Good Times and you say that is a spin off.

But wait... "Henry" from Maude became "James" from Good Times and you say that is a spin off.

That actually does not matter. Like I said before, names can be adjusted. Once again, I promise you. It is a spin off. And since I’ve been on the television industry since 2007, I am now even more confident about what I am saying.

This one goes back to 2002, which to cause problems I bumped up in 2015 :)

https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=47709
I’m talking about the one with Svenfan and TVFactFan constantly bickering and arguing.

You are on point! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell TVFactFan and Wawwie but they’re not willing to meet with me.

Trust me. I know where you’re coming from. I have been saying the same thing for almost 19 years when it comes to our buddy Solomon. LOL. This is been going on for almost 20 years on this forum. And I still stand strong in my point of view. It is actually factual. It’s a spin-off. I agree with you.

Well I guess it’s:

-Me, ThomasE, BestTVEver, opus

vs.

-TVFactFan, Wawwie, GoldenTV, Bonniegirl

Nah. There are no connections between those examples the person gave. That’s a far stretch. ��
Exactly
I dont know the ages of people posting but there are some very weak analogies given here. Actresses on different sitcoms being the same as a character on one sitcom spun off as the same character on another sitcom. That is not an analogy at all. Its apples and potatoes. Rue was Aunt Fran on Mamas Family. She was an entirely different character on Golden Girls. Florida was the SAME character. Florida made Maude a huge success and they gave her a show based on her character.
If I was a logic professor, there would be several failing grades in this class ;)
This is not even up for debate.

Trust me. I know where you’re coming from. I have been saying the same thing for almost 19 years when it comes to our buddy Solomon. LOL. This is been going on for almost 20 years on this forum. And I still stand strong in my point of view. It is actually factual. It’s a spin-off. I agree with you.
I guess this ongoing argument will never end. There’s one side that constantly keeps denying that it is a spinoff and saying that it isn’t one and one side that says it IS a spinoff.

But wait... "Henry" from Maude became "James" from Good Times and you say that is a spin off.
Did a character on The Golden Girls appear on Mama’s Family? Was Blanche or Rose the same character on Mama’s Family?

Exactly
I dont know the ages of people posting but there are some very weak analogies given here. Actresses on different sitcoms being the same as a character on one sitcom spun off as the same character on another sitcom. That is not an analogy at all. Its apples and potatoes. Rue was Aunt Fran on Mamas Family. She was an entirely different character on Golden Girls. Florida was the SAME character. Florida made Maude a huge success and they gave her a show based on her character.
If I was a logic professor, there would be several failing grades in this class ;)
This is not even up for debate.

Amen to all of that. Those comparisons are not examples to match the debate we have going here.

Well I guess it’s:

-Me, ThomasE, BestTVEver, opus

vs.

-TVFactFan, Wawwie, GoldenTV, Bonniegirl

We actually won this argument! We’ve been winning it since 1973 and I wasn’t even born yet! Ha ha Ha!

Did a character on The Golden Girls appear on Mama’s Family? Was Blanche or Rose the same character on Mama’s Family?

Yes, "Fran Crowley" from Mama's Family faked her own death at The Bigger Jigger so she could change her identity to "Blanche" and move to Miami.

Just as ridiculous as "Henry" leaving his well paying fireman job in NY so he could change his identity to "James" the poor dishwasher/car washer in Chicago.

Yes, "Fran Crowley" from Mama's Family faked her own death at The Bigger Jigger so she could change her identity to "Blanche" and move to Miami.

Just as ridiculous as "Henry" leaving his well paying fireman job in NY so he could change his identity to "James" the poor dishwasher/car washer in Chicago.

Ha ha! The hole in that story is that Blanche was already living in Miami in 1985 and Fran died one year later.��

Regarding James, the story background once again, can be changed in order to tell the vision of the creators story. Believe me, it can be done.

Ha ha! The hole in that story is that Blanche was already living in Miami in 1985 and Fran died one year later.😂
And it makes as much sense as Alderman Davis telling the Evans children that he remembers them as babies.

And it makes as much sense as Alderman Davis telling the Evans children that he remembers them as babies.

With good hearted respect, It’s not an accurate comparison.
1) The background of the Evans family was changed.
2)Maude and Good Times had the same producer.
3) The producer, Himself said it was a spin-off in a video.
4) Mama’s Family and The Golden Girls did not have the same production company (Golden Girls Production Team: Thomas/Junger/Witt. Mama’s Family: Hamilton Productions)
5) There are no characters from Mama’s Family that crossed over to Golden Girls.

We actually won this argument! We’ve been winning it since 1973 and I wasn’t even born yet! Ha ha Ha!
And I was going to say people who were not alive or watched it in real time are the disbelievers;) Florida became a huge star on Maude just like Flo on Alice. She became so big and people loved when she put Maude in her place that people talked about her having her own show. And guess what, it happened.
Some spin offs happen that way. We all knew the Jeffersons from All In The Family. But when they got their own show, Archie and Edith never came to visit and were never mentioned. It was a clean and new slate.

5) There are no characters from Mama’s Family that crossed over to Golden Girls.

How do you know they didn't just change their name like "Henry" from Good Times? Perhaps either Blanche or Rose was running from the law. The more I think about it, the more it's probably Rose. When she was on Mama's Family as Ellen Jackson, she was smart, cunning and shrewd. On Golden Girls, she was the super dumb "Rose." Nobody could be that dumb. Her whole personality was a disguise.

Yes, "Fran Crowley" from Mama's Family faked her own death at The Bigger Jigger so she could change her identity to "Blanche" and move to Miami.

Just as ridiculous as "Henry" leaving his well paying fireman job in NY so he could change his identity to "James" the poor dishwasher/car washer in Chicago.
Discontinuity and inconsistency, my friend. That’s what it’s called. And it isn’t as ridiculous because Henry or “James” actually had a connection with Maude, and better yet, especially Florida. Fran Crowley and Blanche Devereux aren’t the same person and have nothing to do with each other.

Trust me. I know where you’re coming from. I have been saying the same thing for almost 19 years when it comes to our buddy Solomon. LOL. This is been going on for almost 20 years on this forum. And I still stand strong in my point of view. It is actually factual. It’s a spin-off. I agree with you.
I’ve been trying to tell TVFactFan about the big sendoff episode from Maude with J.J., Thelma, Michael, Mother Evans, Janet, and Terry and Helena Williams and the original unaired CBS Good Times pilot that started with Henry and Florida saying goodbye to Maude, Walter, Carol, Arthur, and Vivian and Cousin Wilbert locating The Evans Family from NYC to Chicago by custom wagon and Henry transforming into his alter ego, James. LOL.

With good hearted respect, It’s not an accurate comparison.
1) The background of the Evans family was changed.
2)Maude and Good Times had the same producer.
3) The producer, Himself said it was a spin-off in a video.
4) Mama’s Family and The Golden Girls did not have the same production company (Golden Girls Production Team: Thomas/Junger/Witt. Mama’s Family: Hamilton Productions)
5) There are no characters from Mama’s Family that crossed over to Golden Girls.
Exactly! You can’t compare when there’s something to contrast.

How do you know they didn't just change their name like "Henry" from Good Times? Perhaps either Blanche or Rose was running from the law. The more I think about it, the more it's probably Rose. When she was on Mama's Family as Ellen Jackson, she was smart, cunning and shrewd. On Golden Girls, she was the super dumb "Rose." Nobody could be that dumb. Her whole personality was a disguise.

If you feel that way, then where is your proof to back this theory up? I have already stated that GG and MF weren’t even produced by the same company. One company would have to have permission to borrow that character if that was the case. Also, we must remember that Betty White played Ellen in MF for two seasons, then she went to Golden Girls. The next year, she returned in the role of Ellen on MF while she was doing the GG’s. So, I understand that you’re trying to give examples to prove your case but they are not solid enough to drive the point home and appear as random examples.

I’ve been trying to tell TVFactFan about the big sendoff episode from Maude with J.J., Thelma, Michael, Mother Evans, Janet, and Terry and Helena Williams and the original unaired CBS Good Times pilot that started with Henry and Florida saying goodbye to Maude, Walter, Carol, Arthur, and Vivian and Cousin Wilbert locating The Evans Family from NYC to Chicago by custom wagon and Henry transforming into his alter ego, James. LOL.

My response:😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

If you feel that way, then where is your proof to back this theory up?
Where is your proof to back up the theory that Henry Evans legally changed his name to James and is the same person?

And I was going to say people who were not alive or watched it in real time are the disbelievers;) Florida became a huge star on Maude just like Flo on Alice. She became so big and people loved when she put Maude in her place that people talked about her having her own show. And guess what, it happened.
Some spin offs happen that way. We all knew the Jeffersons from All In The Family. But when they got their own show, Archie and Edith never came to visit and were never mentioned. It was a clean and new slate.

I LOVE the last part of your statement!!! You drive your point on home!!!✊👏🏾💯

Where is your proof to back up the theory that Henry Evans legally changed his name to James and is the same person?

Uh, I got you there! I NEVER said he “legally changed his name!” His character was adjusted to fit the vision Eric Monte had for the husband and father. Is he the same person? Yes... with adjustments to story and background. Proof that he is the same person? He was “Mr. Evans” on BOTH shows. 👏🏾👏🏾

A little unofficial bonus/nugget. His father’s name was “Henry” as well.

What else you got for me?? I’m ready!😁✊

My response:😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mother Evans is portrayed by Isabel Sanford.

Uh, I got you there! I NEVER said he “legally changed his name!” His character was adjusted to fit the vision Eric Monte had for the husband and father. Is he the same person? Yes... with adjustments to story and background. Proof that he is the same person? He was “Mr. Evans” on BOTH shows. 👏🏾👏🏾

A little unofficial bonus/nugget. His father’s name was “Henry” as well.

What else you got for me?? I’m ready!😁✊

I never said that YOU said he legally changed his name, but he must have since on all of his job applications, he put down JAMES EVANS.

Mother Evans is portrayed by Isabel Sanford.

You got me cracking up over here!!😂😂😂

Solomon (TV FACT FAN) did a pilot spoof fan fic summary called “Movin’ In Down”. It was the “lost” 1974 Good Times Pilot with the theme song performed by Roxie Roker (BFF of Louise) just as Good Times was sung by Janet DuBois(BFF of Florida). 😂😂😂

Uh, I got you there! I NEVER said he “legally changed his name!” His character was adjusted to fit the vision Eric Monte had for the husband and father. Is he the same person? Yes... with adjustments to story and background. Proof that he is the same person? He was “Mr. Evans” on BOTH shows. 👏🏾👏🏾

A little unofficial bonus/nugget. His father’s name was “Henry” as well.

What else you got for me?? I’m ready!😁✊
Not only that but Esther Rolle portrayed the same character, Florida Evans on both shows. There is no difference except on Good Times she was a housewife instead of Maude’s maid. That’s basically one of the main reasons we’re having this ongoing argument. I’ve already made this example, but look at The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction. Bea Benaderet played Cousin Pearl Bodine on The Beverly Hillbillies, but when she got spun off into her own show, she portrayed a whole other character, Kate Bradley. But The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction still were able to maintain crossovers and mentioned each other here and there. You still consider Petticoat Junction a spinoff, don’t you?

You got me cracking up over here!!😂😂😂

Solomon (TV FACT FAN) did a pilot spoof fan fic summary called “Movin’ In Down”. It was the “lost” 1974 Good Times Pilot with the theme song performed by Roxie Roker (BFF of Louise) just as Good Times was sung by Janet DuBois(BFF of Florida). 😂😂😂
I was just about to post that to you! I discovered that thread a little while back.

I never said that YOU said he legally changed his name, but he must have since on all of his job applications, he put down JAMES EVANS.

You brought up the “legally” argument, not I. I took a screenshot for back up. LOL. First name changed but surname the same. Father carries the same, original name. Same actor on both shows whose character is married to same character on both shows where they have three children. They could have had 3 children on Maude and 20 on Good Times and it still would be a spin-off.

Jimmy Walker says in this interview when he asked about the script of Good Times, what it was and he was told "we are doing a spin off of Maude, Good Times."
So the very first day of reading the script the actors were told this. But the conspiracy theorists will still cling to their beliefs the people who created the show were lying LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1YrBzqNTRE

You got me cracking up over here!!😂😂😂

Solomon (TV FACT FAN) did a pilot spoof fan fic summary called “Movin’ In Down”. It was the “lost” 1974 Good Times Pilot with the theme song performed by Roxie Roker (BFF of Louise) just as Good Times was sung by Janet DuBois(BFF of Florida). 😂😂😂
And if that wasn’t enough, Terry and Helena Williams is portrayed by Howard Morton (Simpson from Gimme A Break! and Cindy’s father) and Marla Gibbs.

Not only that but Esther Rolle portrayed the same character, Florida Evans on both shows. There is no difference except on Good Times she was a housewife instead of Maude’s maid. That’s basically one of the main reasons we’re having this ongoing argument. I’ve already made this example, but look at The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction. Bea Benaderet played Cousin Pearl Bodine on The Beverly Hillbillies, but when she got spun off into her own show, she portrayed a whole other character, Kate Bradley. But The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction still were able to maintain crossovers and mentioned each other here and there. You still consider Petticoat Junction a spinoff, don’t you?

I do consider Petticoat Junction a spin-off. Bonus for you: It was brought up on Good Times that Florida “used to be a maid”! BAM!

I do consider Petticoat Junction a spin-off. Bonus for you: It was brought up on Good Times that Florida “used to be a maid”! BAM!
Yeah she did and I would use that as extra proof but the reference was indirect. But regardless, that proof is still strong enough to prove that Good Times IS a spinoff of Maude.

Not only that but Esther Rolle portrayed the same character, Florida Evans on both shows. There is no difference except on Good Times she was a housewife instead of Maude’s maid. That’s basically one of the main reasons we’re having this ongoing argument. I’ve already made this example, but look at The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction. Bea Benaderet played Cousin Pearl Bodine on The Beverly Hillbillies, but when she got spun off into her own show, she portrayed a whole other character, Kate Bradley. But The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction still were able to maintain crossovers and mentioned each other here and there. You still consider Petticoat Junction a spinoff, don’t you?

Jimmy Walker says in this interview when he asked about the script of Good Times, what it was and he was told "we are doing a spin off of Maude, Good Times."
So the very first day of reading the script the actors were told this. But the conspiracy theorists will still cling to their beliefs the people who created the show were lying LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1YrBzqNTRE
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Yeah she did and I would use that as extra proof but the reference was indirect. But regardless, that proof is still strong enough to prove that Good Times IS a spinoff of Maude.

Yep! That’s why I called it a “bonus” meaning we really don’t need it to back up something that’s already evident BUT it’s nice to have it in the back pocket!!!😁😁👏🏾

And if that wasn’t enough, Terry and Helena Williams is portrayed by Howard Morton (Simpson from Gimme A Break! and Cindy’s father) and Marla Gibbs.

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Oh, really? He said that, eh??? Oh, wow! Jimmie brings it up himself, huh??? Thank you for sharing this wonderful information!!👏🏾 Receipts!!!
Yes he was reading the script the first day and wanted to know what it was. But none of this is a surprise. Its pretty surprising that on a forum devoted to sitcoms that people were not aware of this. Florida Evans got huge ratings for Maude. No brainer she was spun off on a show of her own.
Lets repeat:
Same character, same name Florida Evans
Florida talks about her house cleaning days on Good Times
Actors are told reading the script, its a spin off of Maude

Case closed!

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I can picture it all now.

Terry bends down to Michael and takes out a whistle out his pocket with Cracker Jack crumbs all over it.

Terry: Hey there, boy. Want a whistle?

Michael: Mr Honkey, …boy is a white racist word.

Terry leans over to Helena, and whispers this into her ear:

Terry: I should’ve offered him a hammock.

Helena: That’s hamhock, honey, hamhock.

Michael walks over to the bar where James and Walter are having a drink and taps James on the shoulder.

Michael: Daddy, they got a honkey ova there offerin’ me a whistle with Cracker Jack crumbs all over it.

James spits out his drink.

LOL.

I’m talking about the one with Svenfan and TVFactFan constantly bickering and arguing.

I just found and read that one. I won’t bump or link it, but yeah, that’s the best one :wave:

I just found and read that one. I won’t bump or link it, but yeah, that’s the best one :wave:
There was TOO much drama in that one for me. LOL. From people questioning whether Good Times is a spinoff or not to people denying that it’s a spinoff to people saying that it IS a spinoff to people claiming that Florida never appeared on Maude and actually that was a whole other character to…Svenfan and TVFactFan constantly bickering and arguing.

Here’s the lyrics to the rare original CBS Good Times pilot intro.

As you can see the intro describes the concept and overall synopsis of Good Times in a nutshell as it begins with Henry and Florida saying goodbye to Maude, Walter, Carol, Arthur, and Vivian and then shows The Evans Family or James, Florida, J.J., Thelma, and Michael being relocated to Chicago by Cousin Wilbert as he eases the custom wagon down the streets. You can see things like the Empire State Building and the Madison Square Garden and later the Sears Tower (now referred to as Willis Tower), the Chicago Theater, various Chicago interstates in the background, and the unemployment office, where The Evans Family would often pay a visit to as they move on down into Chicago. The intro ends with Cousin Wilbert dropping off the family at the projects and The Evans Family getting their belongings and suitcases, getting out the wagon and saying goodbye to Cousin Wilbert and entering the projects, being approached by large groups of thugs and gangsters. James, looking depressed is slouched over, walking very slowly while Florida, with a smile on her face, is trying to cheer James on into the projects.

Well we movin’ on down (movin’ on down)
To the southside
To a dumpy apartment
In the Chi
Well we movin’ on down (movin’ on down)
To the southside
We never got a piece of the pie
Bein’ poor and living in a ghetto
Ain’t that much of a thrill
If we had done more tryin
We might’ve gotten up that hill
Now we’re down in the Low Leagues
Gettin’ our turn at unemployment
As long as we live, it’s you and me baby
And they ain’t nothin’ wrong with that
Well we movin’ on down (movin’ on down)
To the southside
To a dumpy apartment
In the Chi
Well we movin’ on down (movin’ on down)
To the southside
We NEVER got a piece of the pie-hi-ie-hi-ie-ie

Sung by Marla Gibbs who portrayed Helena Williams in the big Good Times sendoff on Maude.

LOL.

I have to look and see if the complete DVD mentions Good times as a spinoff

I have to look and see if the complete DVD mentions Good times as a spinoff
8/10 yes.

They made a poor attempt in trying to connect it to Maude by having florida said........."And when I was a maid" Instead of

"you remember when I worked for Maude:lol::lol::lol:

Well here is the back of the DVD, nothing about a spinoff.

They made a poor attempt in trying to connect it to Maude by having florida said........."And when I was a maid" Instead of

"you remember when I worked for Maude:lol::lol::lol:
Now I agree on you with that it should’ve been “when I was a maid, working for Maude Findlay in NYC, I was the best damn maid there was”. She also should’ve mentioned how Cousin Wilbert relocated them from NYC to Chicago by custom wagon.

Well here is the back of the DVD, nothing about a spinoff.
Does the DVD include the lost original CBS Good Times Pilot theme song “Movin’ on Down”?

Does the DVD include the lost original CBS Good Times Pilot theme song “Movin’ on Down”?

No Sony didnt it include as a bonus feature:lol:

Does the DVD include the lost original CBS Good Times Pilot theme song “Movin’ on Down”?

BTW: after buying this DVD I never watched it because I found it was edited

No Sony didnt it include as a bonus feature:lol:
That’s okay, the Good Times sendoff on Maude with J.J., Thelma, Michael, Mother Evans, Janet, Terry and Helena Williams was good enough.

BTW: after buying this DVD I never watched it because I found it was edited
So basically you wasted your money lol

That’s okay, the Good Times sendoff on Maude with J.J., Thelma, Michael, Mother Evans, Janet, Terry and Helena Williams was good enough.


So basically you wasted your money lol


Yes it pisses me off they try and scam the fans

LOL why would a DVD cover mention anything about it being a spin off. Talk about grasping at straws.
Yet you don't care the creators of the show say it was a spin off. The actors were told it was a spin off.
Its obvious that even if theme song and script they said it was spin off over and over, still you would not believe. Nothing will make you believe it. Its a commentary of today. Facts dont matter and everyone lives in an alternate world where they want to believe whatever they want. You can have your opinion it was not a spin off but you dont have the facts that it was not a spin off. You have no right to discard the creators of the show who worked to give Florida Evans, the popular house keeper on Maude her own show.
Sorry. Not today. Not ever.

LOL why would a DVD cover mention anything about it being a spin off. Talk about grasping at straws.
Yet you don't care the creators of the show say it was a spin off. The actors were told it was a spin off.
Its obvious that even if theme song and script they said it was spin off over and over, still you would not believe. Nothing will make you believe it. Its a commentary of today. Facts dont matter and everyone lives in an alternate world where they want to believe whatever they want. You can have your opinion it was not a spin off but you dont have the facts that it was not a spin off. You have no right to discard the creators of the show who worked to give Florida Evans, the popular house keeper on Maude her own show.
Sorry. Not today. Not ever.


Ok maybe the DVD point was weak because I checked the back of the Maude and Jeffersons DVD and there was no mention of being spinned off from All in the family