Serious question. What do you think? When she was a teenager, she was screwing a gangster and got pregnant and put her baby up for adoption. She left town to have the baby and her family told everyone she went to New York to study acting. That baby is about 75 years old now and lives in upstate New York. A couple years later she had another baby and got an abortion. When she was in her twenties, she hooked up with half of Hollywood. Henry Fonda, Orson Welles, Pedro Berman. Who knows how many people? That Higgins book said she'd go to bed with anyone who came to her door if she thought he was decent looking. In the late 30's she started screwing a MARRIED MAN, director Alexander Hall. They got a Hollywood bungalow together near the studio so they could secretly have sex. This relationship wound up ruining his marriage. Ironically, years later Lucy expected people to feel sorry for her when Desi cheated on her. But you know what they say, what goes around comes around! LOL!

In 1940, Lucy met Desi. According to Desi's book, they had sex the very day they met! OMG! And she was still dating Alexander Hall at the time!!! A few years later, she and Desi separated and she started doing Peter Lawford. The day her divorce was supposed to become final in 1944, she and Desi had sex! In the 50s when Desi was fooling around on her, she was fooling around on him too, having sex with Red Buttons! Can you believe that? Desi found out what she was doing and threatened to make it public.

Every book I've ever read said Lucy kept loving Desi after their divorce. I wonder how many times she had sex with Desi after she married Gary Morton! What do you think? How loose was Lucy?

:eek2: I really don't care if Lucy was loose.... Possibly all of the Hollywood Dames were loose (Look at Joan Crawford - I still love :heart: her though. And I still :heart: Lucy...............

P.S. I love subjects like this......... :lol:

Where did you get all this information anyways? I don't beleive it for a bit.

lol- This topic sounds like it belongs in a tabloid magazine, but still its an interesting topic.

Back in the day if you were a hollywood biggie you were protected from the press. As long as the public went to your movies or bought your records, any vices or bad habits were kept quiet. Once you werent popular anymore, they fed you to the wolves. If these stories about Lucy are true, so what. The woman is gone now and when she was here she gave us many entertaining moments. She didnt rub our noses in her private life like stars do today so let Lucy rest in peace.

Originally posted by Will and Grace Fanatic
Where did you get all this information anyways? I don't beleive it for a bit.

It came from different places. The Higgins book talked about Lucy's relationship with much, much older Alexander Hall and how it ruined his marriage, and about their love bungalow. Lucy alluded to Alexander Hall (not actually giving his name) in her autobiography (Love, Lucy). But she left out all the good stuff that was in Higgin's book and made herself sound so innocent and like she was misunderstood. Desi talked in his autobiography about the first time he and Lucy got together and how he was jealous and didn't trust her (and she didn't trust him) when he went on the road with his band. I heard about Red Buttons from someone on the Internet. Some other source, maybe Desi's autobio, talked about how Desi threatened to reveal Lucy's 1950s affair to the public, but didn't indicate who the affair was with. Maybe it was Red Buttons. And there was a big article in the National Enquirer about Lucy's son, born in the late 20s, that she put up for adoption and about her abortion.

Originally posted by JennyLee22
:eek2: I really don't care if Lucy was loose.... Possibly all of the Hollywood Dames were loose (Look at Joan Crawford - I still love :heart: her though. And I still :heart: Lucy...............

P.S. I love subjects like this......... :lol:

Joan Crawford was definitely a slut! I remember reading how she had sex with Clark Gable and then went around telling people about his balls. And she was married, what . . . four, five times? How can you love her, anyway? She beat her daughter! Just think whenever you watch one of her movies, the day she filmed that scene you're watching, she might have gone home that night and strangled little Cristina. "NO MORE WIRE HANGERS! E-VEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!"

Lucy's only kids are Lucie and Desi jr. You cant believe what you read in the Enquier magazine. That's full of lies, its never true. She might of slept with a few guys but she never got pregnant with someone besides desi.

-Katie

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


Joan Crawford was definitely a slut! How can you love her, anyway? She beat her daughter! Just think whenever you watch one of her movies, the day she filmed that scene you're watching, she might have gone home that night and strangled little Cristina. "NO MORE WIRE HANGERS! E-VEEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!" :lol: I understand what you mean about Christina but, I seriously love Joan...... Even if she got around with half of Hollywood and stuff. I know what she did to Christina was wrong but, I just think that she was one of our greatest actresses who will never get the recognition she deserves but, only for the wire hangers. There are alot of actors and actresses who've done alot of bad stuff to their kids. A good example is Bing Crosby who hurted his own children too.

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


It came from different places. And there was a big article in the National Enquirer about Lucy's son, born in the late 20s, that she put up for adoption and about her abortion.

You can't go by what the Enquirer says that stuff in full of lies. If she did have a child back then we would of heard about long ago.

Oh my god! My eyeballs were bulging as I read that smut at the top of the page! Since when is the National Enquirer a reliable source? I rest my case. You really shouldn't believe everything you read, you know. I refuse to believe trash from somebody who probably doesn't give a care about Lucy. I love Lucy, and refuse to believe that she is a cheap whore. She is the most brilliant comedienne of all time, and people treasure that. Go to a tabloid if you want to talk about that kind of stuff, but here I'm pretty sure we all love Lucy and don't believe a word of this nonsense. And, by the way, Desi's book contradicts a lot with the accounts of others, too.

I agree that most of this stuff is a bunch of bull. First of all, she does mention Alexander Hall by name in her book. She said that "Al Hall had been married to Lola Lane, and was in no hurry to marry again; I enjoyed his company, but was not in love with him." From what I have heard, she was living with him when she met Desi but I doubt that she ruined Al Hall's marriage. And there probably wasn't too much anger on his part, because Hall ended up directing both her and Desi together in the movie "Forever Darling" 15 years later. And as for the pregnencies, I think we would have heard about that if it were true. Besides, her and Desi had so much trouble concieving themselves.

Originally posted by Ricardos4ever
And as for the pregnencies, I think we would have heard about that if it were true. Besides, her and Desi had so much trouble concieving themselves.

It's very common for a woman to have trouble conceiving and to have miscarriages after she's had an abortion.

Originally posted by Ricardos4ever
I agree that most of this stuff is a bunch of bull. First of all, she does mention Alexander Hall by name in her book. She said that "Al Hall had been married to Lola Lane, and was in no hurry to marry again; I enjoyed his company, but was not in love with him." From what I have heard, she was living with him when she met Desi but I doubt that she ruined Al Hall's marriage.

According to the Charles Higgins book, Al rented a bungalow near the studio while he was still married so he and Lucy could rendevous together.

Originally posted by feeneybabe05
Oh my god! My eyeballs were bulging as I read that smut at the top of the page! Since when is the National Enquirer a reliable source? I rest my case. You really shouldn't believe everything you read, you know. I refuse to believe trash from somebody who probably doesn't give a care about Lucy. I love Lucy, and refuse to believe that she is a cheap whore. She is the most brilliant comedienne of all time, and people treasure that. Go to a tabloid if you want to talk about that kind of stuff, but here I'm pretty sure we all love Lucy and don't believe a word of this nonsense. And, by the way, Desi's book contradicts a lot with the accounts of others, too.

Nobody's a bigger Lucy fan than me. I agree she's the most brilliant comedienne ever. But that doesn't mean she was a perfect person. Marion Van Vlack was asked after Lucy's death whether she had had an abortion. Saying true friends don't reveal those kinds of things, she refused to answer, which probably means "yes".

Originally posted by JennyLee22
:lol: I understand what you mean about Christina but, I seriously love Joan...... Even if she got around with half of Hollywood and stuff. I know what she did to Christina was wrong but, I just think that she was one of our greatest actresses who will never get the recognition she deserves but, only for the wire hangers. There are alot of actors and actresses who've done alot of bad stuff to their kids. A good example is Bing Crosby who hurted his own children too.

Joan didn't get the recognition she deserved? What she really deserved was time in jail. There is NO excuse for child abuse and it is the most horrible thing a parent can do, other than murder their child. Just because Bing Crosby did it doesn't make it okay that Joan Crawford did it. Child abuse is never okay. One thing I can truly give Lucy credit for is being so bitchy to Joan and making her cry. Maybe that gave her a clue how she made her daughter feel. Joan was no sweetie for sure. Did you ever hear how she treated Bette Davis?

I know all those old Hollywood stories from way back. I've read them all. I know how Joan treated people. I don't agree with the child abuse but, I loved her as an actress.

Originally posted by JennyLee22
I know all those old Hollywood stories from way back. I've read them all. I know how Joan treated people. I don't agree with the child abuse but, I loved her as an actress.

"I need sex for a clear complexion, but I'd rather
do it for love." -- Joan Crawford

"She's slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." -- Bette Davis, commenting on Joan Crawford

"Hollywood's first case of syphilis, I wouldn't sit on her toilet." -- Bette Davis, again commenting on Joan Crawford

"Why am I so good at playing bitches? I think it's because I'm not a bitch. Maybe that's why Miss Crawford always plays ladies." -- Bette Davis

"I wouldn't mind her personality so much if only she could act." -- Bette Davis on Joan Crawford

"My mother always said that it was polite to say something good about the dead. Joan Crawford: She's dead. Good." -- Bette Davis on Joan Crawford

"The best time I ever had with Joan in a film was when I pushed her down the stairs in 'What ever happened to Baby Jane?'" -- Bette Davis on Joan Crawford

"Take away the pop eyes, the cigarette, and those funny clipped words, and what have you got? She's phony, but I guess the public likes that." -- Joan Crawford on Bette Davis

"Miss Davis was always partial to covering up her features...she called it 'art.' Others would say it was a cover-up for the absence of any authentic beauty." -- Joan Crawford on Bette Davis, claws extended!

"She has a cult. I have fans. There's a big difference." -- Joan Crawford on Bette Davis

"Sure she has more Oscars. But she has also made herself into something of a joke." -- Joan Crawford on Bette Davis (not nice)

Originally posted by JennyLee22
"""I know all those old Hollywood stories from way back.""" I've read them all. I know how Joan treated people. I don't agree with the child abuse but, I loved her as an actress.

Read it again......................

Originally posted by JennyLee22


Read it again......................

Why?

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


Why?

I don't think quotes on how Joan acted in real life would prove anything. JennyLee is a fan of Joan Crawford the actress, not necessarily Joan Crawford the person.

What is the name of this book by Charles Higgins? Because I have never read it, and i've read a lot of books on Lucy, and in none of the books i read did i ever hear of her dating Al Hall while he was still married. I did read that for a short time Pandro S. Berman had a thing for her while he was married, but thats all i've read about Lucy ever dating a married man. And the first night Desi and Lucy met, they sat at their table at the nightclub they went dancing at and talked all night. It was not until a few days later that they ran into each other on the beach, and that is when in Desi's book he says they were together for the first time. and the thing about the family saying she was in New York to study acting when she was really having an abortion? Why would the John Murray Anderson School of Drama allow Lucille to go around saying she was there, if she really wasn't? especially if that was a such a respected school with great pupils such as Bette Davis? Just a lot of the stuff that has been written here sounds like tabloid trash, and I personally don't believe half of it. but someone please tell me the name of this book, so i can find out if anyone else i know on other sites has read it. thanks!

Ok, i found out about his book. First of all, it is written by Charles Higham, not Higgins. Second, i spoke w/ a few people who know her family and some friends who knew her, and they agree that this book is definitely one of the worst, its full of fabrications. here is an editorial review off of amazon.com on this book:

A rambling, overly detailed narrative that reads like a tabloid and too many digressions cloud this biography of film and TV star Ball. For example, Higham ( Orson Wells ) gives equal weight to the color of Ball's wallpaper, the House Un-American Activities Committee, the rise of Desilu studios, and Desi's loss of virginity. He makes assumptions about people's motivations and feelings and has apparently gathered most information from sources other than the principals. For fans, a more worthwhile purchase would be Bart Andrews and Thomas J. Watson's Loving Lucy ( LJ 1/15/81). Not recommended. Movie Entertainment and Nostalgia book club alternates. Annie Davis, Technology Training Assocs., Cambridge, Mass.

Copyright 1986 Cahners Business Information, Inc

Also, this book was written in 1986. A more recent, up-to-date book would be a more reliable source of info on Lucille, such as Kathleen Brady's book. I hope i haven't offended anyone, but there's A LOT of misinterpreted/false info on Lucy out there that has been circulating around for years, and i hate to hear more of it being spread.

Originally posted by JaneTVFan
Serious question. What do you think? When she was a teenager, she was screwing a gangster and got pregnant and put her baby up for adoption. She left town to have the baby and her family told everyone she went to New York to study acting. That baby is about 75 years old now and lives in upstate New York. A couple years later she had another baby and got an abortion.

She was dating a guy in Jamestown who was a hoodlum and quite a bit older, and she got pregnant, but never had the baby (I think she just lost it).


In 1940, Lucy met Desi. According to Desi's book, they had sex the very day they met! OMG!

It wasn't the same day, it was a couple days later after Eddie Bracken's Beach Party.

Originally posted by Jenny


I don't think quotes on how Joan acted in real life would prove anything. JennyLee is a fan of Joan Crawford the actress, not necessarily Joan Crawford the person.

Joan Crawford became a star not because of talent but because she knew who to sleep with. She was the queen of the casting couch. How is becoming a star by sleeping with people any different than being a whore? Bette Davis, on the other hand, rose to stardom on the basis of sheer talent and very hard work.

Originally posted by lucyfan1983
and the thing about the family saying she was in New York to study acting when she was really having an abortion? Why would the John Murray Anderson School of Drama allow Lucille to go around saying she was there, if she really wasn't? especially if that was a such a respected school with great pupils such as Bette Davis?

It was when she went off to have a baby that the family said she was in New York studying acting, not when she got the abortion. The abortion came later. As for why the John Murray Anderson school would "allow" Lucy to say she went there, remember, the school supposedly kicked her out. I don't think to many schools maintain records on former students who never even graduated. Besides, Lucy claimed she was kicked out because the school said she was "too shy and reticent" to be an actress. Lucy shy?! Anything else that was ever written about any period in Lucy's life paints a picture of a person who was ANYTHING but shy. She was known in Jamestown when she was a kid as being wild and always getting into trouble and doing things to get attention, like having kids drive through town with her sitting on the hood of the car. In her early days in Hollywood, she would always be the one to step forward and volunteer to do things. But in New York she suddenly becomes shy? The story doesn't fit. Besides, Lucy always talked about being in that class with Bette Davis, but Bette Davis never mentioned being in class with Lucille Ball.

Originally posted by lucyfan1983
A rambling, overly detailed narrative that reads like a tabloid and too many digressions cloud this biography of film and TV star Ball. For example, Higham ( Orson Wells ) gives equal weight to the color of Ball's wallpaper, the House Un-American Activities Committee, the rise of Desilu studios, and Desi's loss of virginity. He makes assumptions about people's motivations and feelings and has apparently gathered most information from sources other than the principals. For fans, a more worthwhile purchase would be Bart Andrews and Thomas J. Watson's Loving Lucy ( LJ 1/15/81). Not recommended. Movie Entertainment and Nostalgia book club alternates. Annie Davis, Technology Training Assocs., Cambridge, Mass.

Copyright 1986 Cahners Business Information, Inc

Also, this book was written in 1986. A more recent, up-to-date book would be a more reliable source of info on Lucille, such as Kathleen Brady's book.

Regarding the Bart Andrews and Thomas J. Watson books, they were written only about her career, by adoring fans who worshipped her, not about her personal life, and not by someone like Higham who was trying to do a thorough expose on her life. What's interesting is his book was written in 1986 while she was still alive. If the stuff in it wasn't true, why didn't she sue? As for Kathleen Brady's book you recommend, that's the one where Brady says Lucy posed for nudie photos.

Originally posted by dawsongirl


It wasn't the same day, it was a couple days later after Eddie Bracken's Beach Party.

Oh, how virtuous of her to wait a couple days after meeting Desi before jumping in the sack with him. I'm sure her fiance, Alexander Hall, appreciated that very much. I wonder if she had already bought the wedding dress for her marriage to Hall when this happened.

Originally posted by dawsongirl


She was dating a guy in Jamestown who was a hoodlum and quite a bit older, and she got pregnant, but never had the baby (I think she just lost it).

Where did you hear that she got pregnant and lost the baby? And why is that more believable than that she got an abortion or put the baby up for adoption? For several years during her teens and early twenties, Lucy kept leaving Jamestown for periods of time. The family always said she was going to New York to study acting. And at one point, she was shut up in the house for a very long period of time supposedly suffering from rheumatiod arthritis. Other than Lucy's story, I wasn't aware that was something a person could recover from.

Really, you guys....dontcha think this stuff is personal and NONE of our damn business? I've heard all of this stuff and I still love Lucy just the same. I could care less if she was a "slut". To me, that word is a little strong. "Fallen woman" sounds better although it means the same thing almost. But honestly, the woman went through so much crap in her childhood and adolescence. That kind of stuff will make a person's head spin. And if she slept with lots of guys, oh well. It's not like she was screwing 5 or 6 guys at once. People find new relationships. But honestly, should we really be talking about personal stuff like this and calling her a slut? What if one of her kids or other family members were to read it? I really think we should respect people's privacy, whether they are dead or alive, famous or not. Just my two cents worth, anyway.

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


Regarding the Bart Andrews and Thomas J. Watson books, they were written only about her career, by adoring fans who worshipped her, not about her personal life, and not by someone like Higham who was trying to do a thorough expose on her life. What's interesting is his book was written in 1986 while she was still alive. If the stuff in it wasn't true, why didn't she sue? As for Kathleen Brady's book you recommend, that's the one where Brady says Lucy posed for nudie photos.

Gee, i wasn't aware that i mentioned the Bart Andrews or the Thomas J. Watson books in either of my posts. I didn't say that the Brady book was the best either, i was just throwing out suggestions, trying to get you to see that you shouldn't just rely on that one book that has been labeled as tabloid trash. personally, i agree with mel, leave her alone. why are you even on a message board talking about her if you have such a low opinion of her? as for the part about hearing that she lost a child, i've heard several places (including a documentary made by Lucie Arnaz) that she had several miscarriages. i've never heard any of the other crap that you have been saying about her trips to new york. i'm sure you're completely virtuous in every way, but stop spitting on her grave

You can never really tell if information is correct or if it was just fabricated. Maybe it came out of some tabloid, maybe it didn't. We'll never really know if it is true or not. But Lucille Ball hated this kind of thing, as I just read in an People Magazine interview from 1980:

Q: Have you read any of the biographies that have been written about you?

LUCY: They're all unauthorized. I read the first two pages of one, and it was so shocking. About me leaving Jamestown, NY at 14 and becoming a hooker. They didn't say hooker, but they intimated it. I thought, "Christ, I gotta see where they get this." They never substantiated anything they said.


I think that this topic was a little harsh. Keep in mind, she has children that are alive and well. If I was one of them and decided to type in my mother's name for fun on the internet and I came across a message board with one of the topics titled "Was Lucy a Slut?", I would be pretty hurt and upset. There's no way of knowing the absolute truth about her -- I'm sure everyone has a deep, dark secret or two -- but it is unfair to speculate. Most of the autobiographies written about her life say nothing of this sort of information, so we'd naturally question it (especially if the author didn't cite his source).

Bottom line: Let Lucy rest in peace!

Originally posted by lucyfan1983


Gee, i wasn't aware that i mentioned the Bart Andrews or the Thomas J. Watson books in either of my posts. I didn't say that

Then gee, maybe you should go back and re-read your second July 7 post in this thread. The review you posted of the Higham bio recommends the Bart Andrews and Thomas J. Watson books.

Originally posted by lucyfan1983

i was just throwing out suggestions, trying to get you to see that you shouldn't just rely on that one book that has been labeled as tabloid trash.

Did I or did I not say that I got my information from a variety of sources, including Desi Arnaz's own biography? I don't rely on one source, obviously. And I don't consider the Higham book to be tabloid trash just because one single review of the book you came up with calls it that. Why judge a book on the basis of a single reviewer?

Originally posted by lucyfan1983
why are you even on a message board talking about her if you have such a low opinion of her? as for the part about hearing that she lost a child, i've heard several places (including a documentary made by Lucie Arnaz) that she had several miscarriages. i've never heard any of the other crap that you have been saying about her trips to new york. i'm sure you're completely virtuous in every way, but stop spitting on her grave

Like that other person who posted about liking Joan Crawford as an actress, I think Lucille Ball was the most brilliant comedic actress who ever lived. But unlike some of you, I do not think she was a goddess to be worshipped but not criticized, even though I am SURE you would be critical of any other person if they were to do some of the things she did. If you knew someone who was screwing a person's husband, like maybe your father, would you find that okay? If you learned a person was engaged, perhaps to your brother, and then screwing another person she had just met a couple days earlier, would that be okay? I doubt it. You'd probably call that person a slut and wouldn't want anything to do with them.

Originally posted by lucyfan1983

as for the part about hearing that she lost a child, i've heard several places (including a documentary made by Lucie Arnaz) that she had several miscarriages. i've never heard any of the other crap that you have been saying about her trips to new york. i'm sure you're completely virtuous in every way, but stop spitting on her grave

I've already addressed the miscarriages and how women often miscarry if they have had abortions in their past. The fact that you haven't heard any of these other stories ("crap" according to you), so what? I'm sure there are plenty of things you haven't heard about that I have. I suppose I've done more reading on Lucille Ball than you have.

Originally posted by melluvslucy
Really, you guys....dontcha think this stuff is personal and NONE of our damn business?

Which topics about Lucy's personal life are our "damn business"? The ones that make Desi look like a bad, cheating, drunk husband and Lucy his long suffering sweet wife? The ones that put her in only the best light? Lucille Ball was a complex person. To me, discussing only the more positive parts of her personality does not give a complete picture of who she was as a person and ultimately makes for pretty boring conversation.

Originally posted by melluvslucy
But honestly, should we really be talking about personal stuff like this and calling her a slut? I really think we should respect people's privacy, whether they are dead or alive, famous or not. Just my two cents worth, anyway.

Welcome to America!

Take a look at the credits of Pandro Berman on www.imdb.com. He is credited as producer of six films Lucille Ball appeared in between 1935 and 1938, ROBERTA through HAVING WONDERFUL TIME. During that period and in those films, Lucy rose from virtual obscurity to near top billing. Don't those years correspond very closely, if not exactly, to the years of Lucy's affair with Pandro Berman? Is it just a coincidence that Lucy rose to stardom while having an affair with Pandro Berman? Hmm?

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


Then gee, maybe you should go back and re-read your second July 7 post in this thread. The review you posted of the Higham bio recommends the Bart Andrews and Thomas J. Watson books.

then perhaps you can't read, b/c that is not something that I said. that was just what was written in the review. i'm not saying that I "worship" lucy and think she's beyond criticism, i just think that everything you're saying here is harsh, and you seem to think that you are the only person on this message board who knows what they're talking about. I have also read a lot about Lucille Ball, but apparently, you seem to think that you are the standing authority on all this. excuse any of us for offering up our opinion as well. and as for the "coincidence" of the rise from bit parts to starlet, (and i'm not saying that nothing happened with Pandro Berman) but that is also coincidental with the time that she was part of the Lela Rogers Little Theater. You just want to automatically assume the worst, to go along with your view of Lucille as a "slut". even if she did some of the stuff you say, why did you feel like spreading it around? i still saying you're spitting on her grave, and agree with Ricardos4ever, let her rest in peace. thats my opinion anyway, i'm sure you'll attack it as well, but i'm done with this topic.

I can't beleive that people are still using the term"slut". It's so old and so old boys club. For years men who produced and directed movies used women who had no contacts, no power and no help from anyone---but did have youth and good looks----for sex. It was known as the casting couch. People knew it was wrong but the whole idea was treated as a joke, just like sexual harrassment was everywhere in life back then. Sure the women were foolish , but they were desparate, and it wasnt even against the law to do this. Its funny that men are never punished in any culture for having too much sex, but women always are.Why should Lucy be punished by today's standards for things that happened in another era that none of us have experienced?

For the record - Goddess is a strong word. I for one, never saw Joan Crawford as a Goddess.

I also think the word SLUT is a strong word. Lucy may have had some liasons but, she gave us many years of happiness with her acting. As far as her personal life is concerned, it doesn't really matter to me what she did. She did love Desi regardless, and she did have 2 beautiful children with him. Let's face it he did philander and spoke his peace in his book.

Like somone else said in this thread. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. No one is perfect........

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


Nobody's a bigger Lucy fan than me.

You have got a LOT of friggin nerve to say that you are the biggest Lucy fan and then to slam her like you've done! Why would you be a fan of someone who is a SLUT?!!! She was NOT a slut. Dating several men and being a slut are two different things PAL! First of all, YOU don't know anything about what she did growing up in Jamestown and who she slept with. I am very close to Lucy's family and I can tell you that you've got a lot of your wires crossed there girl. I can tell you for a fact that she did NOT cheat on Desi and she was not out to ruin Al Hall's marriage. Give her a break, will ya?!!!!!!!!!!! :smash:

Originally posted by JaneTVFan


It was when she went off to have a baby that the family said she was in New York studying acting, not when she got the abortion. The abortion came later. As for why the John Murray Anderson school would "allow" Lucy to say she went there, remember, the school supposedly kicked her out. I don't think to many schools maintain records on former students who never even graduated. Besides, Lucy claimed she was kicked out because the school said she was "too shy and reticent" to be an actress. Lucy shy?! Anything else that was ever written about any period in Lucy's life paints a picture of a person who was ANYTHING but shy. She was known in Jamestown when she was a kid as being wild and always getting into trouble and doing things to get attention, like having kids drive through town with her sitting on the hood of the car. In her early days in Hollywood, she would always be the one to step forward and volunteer to do things. But in New York she suddenly becomes shy? The story doesn't fit. Besides, Lucy always talked about being in that class with Bette Davis, but Bette Davis never mentioned being in class with Lucille Ball.

Is this your life mission to figure out where Lucy was and when? She DID go to acting shool in NY and by the way, since you know so much about everything she did and didn't do.............did you grow up with her or something?! If so, please tell us more!

I just see this thing getting out of hand, so I'm closing it. We've all made our points.