Not a fan of this episode---and a 2 parter to boot. Ugh. I guess it was inevitable one of them was going to learn this fact of life...dating older guy with a kid, but it was just boring. And I hated that the rest of the cast was basically shoved into the background for 2 episodes.

And when Mrs. G finally gets to offer her advice, it lasts just 60 seconds and over. I'd go as far as call this the worst of the entire series. (so far).

What episode was this?

What episode was this?

From Wikipedia:

"Taking a Chance on Love" airdate November 7, 1984 Episodes 109 & 110

Since it only shows 1 airdate, it must have been a 1 hour episode.

"Jo falls in love with her photography instructor Sam Hall (Kristoffer Tabori)."

From Wikipedia:

"Taking a Chance on Love" airdate November 7, 1984 Episodes 109 & 110

Since it only shows 1 airdate, it must have been a 1 hour episode.

"Jo falls in love with her photography instructor Sam Hall (Kristoffer Tabori)."

Ah, yeah. Season Six. But the next episode, with Mrs. G., is pretty good. :wave:

Ah, yeah. Season Six. But the next episode, with Mrs. G., is pretty good. :wave:

Yeah, I took a peek at the next weeks synopsis and it does look good. Will see that one tomorrow. :)

I peeked at the one after that and it looks interesting too. (Jo thinks about her friendship with Blair with the aid of a talking computer.)

I THINK I remember this one where at the end of the episode, the computer tells Jo to end her friendship with Blair. I have a vague memory of that. And of course she doesn't.

Yeah, I took a peek at the next weeks synopsis and it does look good. Will see that one tomorrow. :)

I peeked at the one after that and it looks interesting too. (Jo thinks about her friendship with Blair with the aid of a talking computer.)

I THINK I remember this one where at the end of the episode, the computer tells Jo to end her friendship with Blair. I have a vague memory of that. And of course she doesn't.

Hey, Spoiler Alert! ;)

(Just kidding).

I Liked "E.G.O.C.", and also "Talk, Talk" Talk", but I don't care for some of the other episodes you'll soon be watching: "Dear Apple", "The Rich Aren't Different", "Christmas in the Big House", "Me and Eleanor", "Jazzbeau", and "Bus Stop". Not enough Edna Garrett for my taste. And "TRAD" makes me see red. :mad::mad:

Hey, Spoiler Alert! ;)

(Just kidding).

I Liked "E.G.O.C.", and also "Talk, Talk" Talk", but I don't care for some of the other episodes you'll soon be watching: "Dear Apple", "The Rich Aren't Different", "Christmas in the Big House", "Me and Eleanor", "Jazzbeau", and "Bus Stop". Not enough Edna Garrett for my taste. And "TRAD" makes me see red. :mad::mad:

The last one looks so good though! Don't tell me why you see red though! I don't wanna know TOO much! (It airs Thursday on AntennaTV) But the description looks entertaining:
Blair takes Jo to small claims court over a broken wristwatch.
....I'm intrigued now!

I see this at the beginning of the Season 6 page of Wikipedia:

Mrs. Garrett (Charlotte Rae) was absent from several episodes in season 6 per Rae's request for reduced appearances.


I know it's Wikipedia and to take it with a grain of salt, especially since there's no footnote to back up that claim, but if true, I wonder why she'd request that. Was she getting tired of the series by then?

The last one looks so good though! Don't tell me why you see red though! I don't wanna know TOO much! (It airs Thursday on AntennaTV) But the description looks entertaining:
Blair takes Jo to small claims court over a broken wristwatch.
....I'm intrigued now!

I see this at the beginning of the Season 6 page of Wikipedia:

Mrs. Garrett (Charlotte Rae) was absent from several episodes in season 6 per Rae's request for reduced appearances.


I know it's Wikipedia and to take it with a grain of salt, especially since there's no footnote to back up that claim, but if true, I wonder why she'd request that. Was she getting tired of the series by then?

Wikipedia is correct, here. Producers believed "the show was the girls", in the words of Margie Peters.

Charlotte was rarely getting her own episodes by then. She said there wasn't much for her character to do anymore. Her character had gradually become "Come in, offer good advice and some delicious quiche, exit stage left." And by the next season, she couldn't even make quiche. :(

Wikipedia is correct, here. Producers believed "the show was the girls", in the words of Margie Peters.

Charlotte was rarely getting her own episodes by then. She said there wasn't much for her character to do anymore. Her character had gradually become "Come in, offer good advice and some delicious quiche, exit stage left." And by the next season, she couldn't even make quiche. :(

If that's what Charlotte wanted, it's a shame they didn't take a chance on her spinning off again with another series without the girls. It probably would've bombed, but I think she was worth taking a shot at. Or maybe she was just tired and wanted to retire. I'm sure she must have been in her 60's by then.

Not a fan of this episode---and a 2 parter to boot. Ugh. I guess it was inevitable one of them was going to learn this fact of life...dating older guy with a kid, but it was just boring. And I hated that the rest of the cast was basically shoved into the background for 2 episodes.

And when Mrs. G finally gets to offer her advice, it lasts just 60 seconds and over. I'd go as far as call this the worst of the entire series. (so far).


I couldn't agree any more with you cfr1970: that was the WORST episode from season 6 (nevertheless BORING!) and MRS G was definitely shoved in the background....
I suppose the teacher was a hunk (kind of like a younger version of ROGER MOORE) but still, there was no chemistry whatsoever between JO and him!:eek::eek::eek:

I couldn't agree any more with you cfr1970: that was the WORST episode from season 6 (nevertheless BORING!) and MRS G was definitely shoved in the background....
I suppose the teacher was a hunk (kind of like a younger version of ROGER MOORE) but still, there was no chemistry whatsoever between JO and him!:eek::eek::eek:

OMG you mean there's even worse episodes in the series than that one?! Yikes. This one is pretty hard to top. :lol:

OMG you mean there's even worse episodes in the series than that one?! Yikes. This one is pretty hard to top. :lol:


That was the ONLY bad episode from season 6, and not to be a spoiler, you gotta watch 'GONE WITH THE WIND': now that's a 'REAL' guy for BLAIR ha ha ha!:lol::lol::lol:

That was the ONLY bad episode from season 6, and not to be a spoiler, you gotta watch 'GONE WITH THE WIND': now that's a 'REAL' guy for BLAIR ha ha ha!:lol::lol::lol:

Gone With the Wind airs next Thursday 4/2 on Antenna tv. I peeked at the Wikipedia episode page and it says a hurricane in FL during spring break! Sounds fun lol. ok...no spoilers! I'm looking forward to this one!

Too bad they didn't get stranded in the Golden Girls house lol....it was before that show started but what a fun crossover that could've been! :crazy:

OMG you mean there's even worse episodes in the series than that one?! Yikes. This one is pretty hard to top. :lol:

Season Seven was rough. Season Nine was more rough. :lol:

Season Seven was rough. Season Nine was more rough. :lol:

But 8 was good?....Give me something to look forward to! :lol:

But 8 was good?....Give me something to look forward to! :lol:

I adore 8-01, 8-02, 8-06. 8-12 and 8-18 are additionally quite funny, but I honestly prefer the first four seasons of the show. 8-06 is, IMO, a return to the classic era of the show. No spoilers.

Gone With the Wind airs next Thursday 4/2 on Antenna tv. I peeked at the Wikipedia episode page and it says a hurricane in FL during spring break! Sounds fun lol. ok...no spoilers! I'm looking forward to this one!

Too bad they didn't get stranded in the Golden Girls house lol....it was before that show started but what a fun crossover that could've been! :crazy:

That could have been hilarious! Imagine, for example, Blanche and Blair talking about how gorgeous they are. Then Dorothy and Jo could be sarcastic in response. Then Sophia and Natalie crack a joke. Followed by Rose and Tootie saying something dumb. :lol:

I adore 8-01, 8-02, 8-06. 8-12 and 8-18 are additionally quite funny, but I honestly prefer the first four seasons of the show. 8-06 is, IMO, a return to the classic era of the show. No spoilers.

Thanks for no spoilers! It looks like season 6 is where the decline started because so far i've enjoyed all the episodes i've seen. I'm now looking forward to season 8 though and then seeing how it eventually ends even if season 9 is crappy.

That could have been hilarious! Imagine, for example, Blanche and Blair talking about how gorgeous they are. Then Dorothy and Jo could be sarcastic in response. Then Sophia and Natalie crack a joke. Followed by Rose and Tootie saying something dumb. :lol:

I could picture all that happening and it would've been loads of fun! I remember the big crossover they did one Saturday. I think it was 1990 where the whole Saturday lineup of shows crossed over for a big hurricane....Golden Girls, Empty Nest and I think Nurses...it was a big event at the time.

If FOL was still on, surely they would've been included since they aired right before GG towards the end of it's run.

And OMG Rose & Tootie, Dorothy & Jo, Blair & Blanche, Nat & Sophia---all would've made for such great comedy pairing.

Too bad they didn't get stranded in the Golden Girls house lol....it was before that show started but what a fun crossover that could've been! :crazy:


I wouldn't have preferred that. The Golden Girls were The Facts of Life Girls older. Blair was Blanche, Jo was Dorothy, Mrs. Garrett was Sophia, and Natalie and Tootie were mixed to make Rose. I don't get the appeal of The Golden Girls after rewatching the show when I got older. There are SOOOO many flashback episodes. They ran out of ideas way too soon.


I don't mind Taking A Chance on Love. I would have preferred the two parter on Blair's breakup with Cliff instead of Jo dating an older guy. They had a chance to make a really good deep episode for Blair but dropped the ball IMO. I think the only reason Nancy got the most episodes season 6 was because she fought for that raise and they decided to make her work harder for it.

I wouldn't have preferred that. The Golden Girls were The Facts of Life Girls older. Blair was Blanche, Jo was Dorothy, Mrs. Garrett was Sophia, and Natalie and Tootie were mixed to make Rose. I don't get the appeal of The Golden Girls after rewatching the show when I got older. There are SOOOO many flashback episodes. They ran out of ideas way too soon.


I don't mind Taking A Chance on Love. I would have preferred the two parter on Blair's breakup with Cliff instead of Jo dating an older guy. They had a chance to make a really good deep episode for Blair but dropped the ball IMO. I think the only reason Nancy got the most episodes season 6 was because she fought for that raise and they decided to make her work harder for it.

From what i've seen so far, Blair doesn't seem to get too many of the dramatic episodes, and it's a shame because I think she's good at it. We saw a glimmer of it in "Taking a Chance on Love" where she warns Jo about getting too attached to the kid and then leaving and I wanted to see and know more from her in that scene.
It seems from that scene, she harbors some resentment from her childhood---do we ever see more of that revealed? I was left wanting to know more.

Nancy fought for a raise? Why? Was she earning less than the others? If so, it's understandable...but if she was asking for more than they were getting, I don't like that.

From what i've seen so far, Blair doesn't seem to get too many of the dramatic episodes, and it's a shame because I think she's good at it. We saw a glimmer of it in "Taking a Chance on Love" where she warns Jo about getting too attached to the kid and then leaving and I wanted to see and know more from her in that scene.
It seems from that scene, she harbors some resentment from her childhood---do we ever see more of that revealed? I was left wanting to know more.

Nancy fought for a raise? Why? Was she earning less than the others? If so, it's understandable...but if she was asking for more than they were getting, I don't like that.


Blair and Monica have a moment to discuss her upbringing in "A New Life" but it's not dramatic. I think the reason Lisa was never given dramatic scenes is because her acting was best on the comedy side. I think she could have handled drama if they had given her more of a chance.

Nancy went on strike at the beginning of season 6. That's why My Boyfriend's Back and Smile don't feature her. They were the first two episodes produced until Nancy's salary was settled and she came back to work. I don't know if she made more than the others. I hope not. I don't pay attention to the gossip on behind the scenes because we weren't there and don't know the full story. Everyone has different perspectives and it's not always the way it went down. I just accept the show for what it's worth.

Blair and Monica have a moment to discuss her upbringing in "A New Life" but it's not dramatic. I think the reason Lisa was never given dramatic scenes is because her acting was best on the comedy side. I think she could have handled drama if they had given her more of a chance.

Nancy went on strike at the beginning of season 6. That's why My Boyfriend's Back and Smile don't feature her. They were the first two episodes produced until Nancy's salary was settled and she came back to work. I don't know if she made more than the others. I hope not. I don't pay attention to the gossip on behind the scenes because we weren't there and don't know the full story. Everyone has different perspectives and it's not always the way it went down. I just accept the show for what it's worth.

I hope she was fighting for equal pay as the others were getting and not more. That wouldn't be right. She did come in a year later to the series so hopefully that's the case, that she wasn't getting as much as the others and fought for it.

I'd hate to think she had a primadonna moment and wanted more. It was an ensemble cast and all should've earned the same. I guess the only way to know the truth is if she wrote a book, and I don't see that coming from her. She seems to be a very private person and I also get the feeling she wants to keep a distance from her FOL years. At least she did for a long while after the show ended. I don't know how she is about it today.

I hope she was fighting for equal pay as the others were getting and not more. That wouldn't be right. She did come in a year later to the series so hopefully that's the case, that she wasn't getting as much as the others and fought for it.

I strongly suspect that Nancy was asking for more than what the other girls made, because it wouldn't be reasonable for the producers to balk at paying her equally, after four complete seasons into her contract. However, I'm okay with her asking for more money, because she was featured in more episodes than the other girls. She thus would have had longer hours, would have had to learn more lines, and more stress would have been placed on her.

So, to me, whether she was just asking for pay equity, or was asking for a raise above what the others were getting, I'm fine with it. We know, from Mindy's interview, that the girls still don't receive money from the DVD sales, so whatever they made during the show's original run, plus later appearances in film and on talk shows, is really it.

I also get the feeling she wants to keep a distance from her FOL years. At least she did for a long while after the show ended. I don't know how she is about it today.

Nancy definitely distanced herself from FOL, and later all Hollywood. She's stated several times that she's done FOL appearances at awards ceremonies and interviews "for Charlotte", and as a way of honoring Charlotte. I'm not sure how many interviews and appearances she will do, now that Charlotte is gone.

I strongly suspect that Nancy was asking for more than what the other girls made, because it wouldn't be reasonable for the producers to balk at paying her equally, after four complete seasons into her contract. However, I'm okay with her asking for more money, because she was featured in more episodes than the other girls. She thus would have had longer hours, would have had to learn more lines, and more stress would have been placed on her.

So, to me, whether she was just asking for pay equity, or was asking for a raise above what the others were getting, I'm fine with it. We know, from Mindy's interview, that the girls still don't receive money from the DVD sales, so whatever they made during the show's original run, plus later appearances in film and on talk shows, is really it.



Nancy definitely distanced herself from FOL, and later all Hollywood. She's stated several times that she's done FOL appearances at awards ceremonies and interviews "for Charlotte", and as a way of honoring Charlotte. I'm not sure how many interviews and appearances she will do, now that Charlotte is gone.

I think that was a risky move on her part since this was 1984 and i'm sure the Three's Company/Suzanne Somers debacle was still fresh in people's minds. She really rolled the dice not appearing in a couple of episodes and holding out like that.
I wonder what the other cast members thought at the time? I have to disagree and say that if she wanted more than the other girls, I don't think that was right.
Even if she worked more or had more lines to rehearse, they were all equal stars on the show and should've earned equal pay. The only one that should have rightfully earned more was Charlotte Rae since she was more experienced.
And I know someone here mentioned Jo being a fan favorite, but I don't remember her getting more attention over the others in media and magazines. Maybe she did and I just didn't notice?
When I think of FOL, the first person I immediately think of is Blair. I think had she pulled the same stunt it would've worked too because I think she was more instrumental to the show than Jo was. jmo though. :)

I think that was a risky move on her part since this was 1984 and i'm sure the Three's Company/Suzanne Somers debacle was still fresh in people's minds. She really rolled the dice not appearing in a couple of episodes and holding out like that.
I wonder what the other cast members thought at the time? I have to disagree and say that if she wanted more than the other girls, I don't think that was right.
Even if she worked more or had more lines to rehearse, they were all equal stars on the show and should've earned equal pay. The only one that should have rightfully earned more was Charlotte Rae since she was more experienced.
And I know someone here mentioned Jo being a fan favorite, but I don't remember her getting more attention over the others in media and magazines. Maybe she did and I just didn't notice?
When I think of FOL, the first person I immediately think of is Blair. I think had she pulled the same stunt it would've worked too because I think she was more instrumental to the show than Jo was. jmo though. :)

I think one important difference between Nancy McKeon and Suzanne Somers is that Suzanne actually went on talk shows to air her grievances in public, making the producers look bad. That was never going to end well, and was never going to be accepted in Hollywood (where big studio execs, all men, controlled every aspect of the business). Suzanne's manager (her husband) must have been crazy to suggest doing that. Nancy simply held out for more money.

Additionally, the amount Suzanne demanded (five times her previous pay) was exorbitant. I doubt Nancy was holding out for a raise that was five times what she was previously making, but she might have asked for an amount similar to what Michael J. Fox was making on Family Ties (they were dating around that time).

I always thought Nancy M. was fighting for pay raises for the other 3 as well.

They talk about not making a whole lot of money on the show here during the Good Morning America reunion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryXN-FyNMUw&t=2s

I always thought Nancy M. was fighting for pay raises for the other 3 as well.

I have never heard this. If that was the case, why were they still showing up to the set?

I think one important difference between Nancy McKeon and Suzanne Somers is that Suzanne actually went on talk shows to air her grievances in public, making the producers look bad. That was never going to end well, and was never going to be accepted in Hollywood (where big studio execs, all men, controlled every aspect of the business). Suzanne's manager (her husband) must have been crazy to suggest doing that. Nancy simply held out for more money.

Additionally, the amount Suzanne demanded (five times her previous pay) was exorbitant. I doubt Nancy was holding out for a raise that was five times what she was previously making, but she might have asked for an amount similar to what Michael J. Fox was making on Family Ties (they were dating around that time).

I had no idea she dated him. Boy you guys know everything! :lol:

Even if she wasn't asking for 5x the pay, pulling that not too long after Somers did it and failed was still a risky move. Especially with another ensemble cast that losing one character wouldn't hurt too much. She could've been easily shown the door and one of the Lost Girls could've came back in her place.

I'm glad it obviously worked out for her....but like her character, she's sure got balls! :lol:

I had no idea she dated him. Boy you guys know everything! :lol:

:lol: There are still a million things we don't know, but the Nancy/Michael relationship was very well known at the time, and they were photographed smooching everywhere. Here they are hobnobbing with the Reagans (see below).


Even if she wasn't asking for 5x the pay, pulling that not too long after Somers did it and failed was still a risky move. Especially with another ensemble cast that losing one character wouldn't hurt too much. She could've been easily shown the door and one of the Lost Girls could've came back in her place.

I'm glad it obviously worked out for her....but like her character, she's sure got balls! :lol:

I applaud Nancy for sticking to her guns. As you say, it could have gone badly, and it's not like there weren't actresses waiting in the wings. Negotiations rarely went well for female stars in that era. I think we all know of examples. (Lorimar sure does! :lol: )

:lol: There are still a million things we don't know, but the Nancy/Michael relationship was very well known at the time, and they were photographed smooching everywhere. Here they are hobnobbing with the Reagans (see below).



I applaud Nancy for sticking to her guns. As you say, it could have gone badly, and it's not like there weren't actresses waiting in the wings. Negotiations rarely went well for female stars in that era. I think we all know of examples. (Lorimar sure does! :lol: )

In all these years I never knew he dated her. That's the first i've seen of that pic. All I remember is Fox dating his co star Tracy Pollen and they married. I remember that relationship getting lots of publicity.
But dating Nancy is news to me...I don't think I focused on celebrities back then. And also we didn't have internet so all that stuff was relegated to teen fan magazines and supermarket tabloids---neither of which I had any use for.

I hope Nancy M. eventually writes an autobiography. Being in the business since a child, i'm sure she has lots to share--maybe when she gets older she'll do it.

In all these years I never knew he dated her. That's the first i've seen of that pic.

Here are a few more. (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22nancy+mckeon%22%2B%22michael+j+fox%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi726D3gbToAhXaIDQIHerMDxUQ_AUoAnoECA0QBA&biw=1366&bih=626) :)

All I remember is Fox dating his co star Tracy Pollen and they married. I remember that relationship getting lots of publicity.
But dating Nancy is news to me...I don't think I focused on celebrities back then. And also we didn't have internet so all that stuff was relegated to teen fan magazines and supermarket tabloids---neither of which I had any use for.

I definitely never paid attention to Teen Beat or Tiger Beat or whatever, but they did interviews and had photos taken everywhere. They were in Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/qa-michael-j-fox-49352/). They often appeared in the same films, and I'm pretty sure they did several "One to Grow Ons" together. For a while, they couldn't be separated, on- or off-stage.

That was the polar opposite of the Fox/Pollan relationship, where Tracy actually left Family Ties to preserve their relationship (I always preferred Ellen over the character Courteney Cox played, so it was disappointing to see Tracy leave the show).


I hope Nancy M. eventually writes an autobiography. Being in the business since a child, i'm sure she has lots to share--maybe when she gets older she'll do it.

I'd read it! :)

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I definitely never paid attention to Teen Beat or Tiger Beat or whatever, but they did interviews and had photos taken everywhere. They were in Rolling Stone (https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/qa-michael-j-fox-49352/). They often appeared in the same films, and I'm pretty sure they did several "One to Grow Ons" together. For a while, they couldn't be separated, on- or off-stage.

That was the polar opposite of the Fox/Pollan relationship, where Tracy actually left Family Ties to preserve their relationship (I always preferred Ellen over the character Courteney Cox played, so it was disappointing to see Tracy leave the show)./QUOTE]

Wow. I'm now wondering where the hell was I when this was going on?! I was very heavily into TV in the mid 80's, addicted to it! But that relationship completely went over my head.
I remember the summer of '85 very clearly because that's both the summer I went to L.A. on the bus and also when Fox had "Back to the Future" out and he was EVERYWHERE since it zoomed his star status into the stratosphere....but still I don't recall Nancy being associated with him during that time. Were they split up by then?

I'm trying to remember Jo Polniaczeck & Alex P. Keaton together lol....and it just doesn't jog any memories for me...but all those pics sure do prove it happened! :lol:

I too preferred Pollan over Cox. Like her Freinds co-star Aniston, she doesn't have much acting range either and her stint on Family Ties can easily be called "The One Before Monica Moved to New York" because she pretty much acts like a younger Monica.

I messed up the quoting. :(

Wow. I'm now wondering where the hell was I when this was going on?! I was very heavily into TV in the mid 80's, addicted to it! But that relationship completely went over my head.
I remember the summer of '85 very clearly because that's both the summer I went to L.A. on the bus and also when Fox had "Back to the Future" out and he was EVERYWHERE since it zoomed his star status into the stratosphere....but still I don't recall Nancy being associated with him during that time. Were they split up by then?

Nancy and Michael met in 1983, on the set of High School USA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCvxI_wP7Jo) (which also starred Dana Plato, Todd Bridges, and Lauri Hendler, among others). Back to the Future filming wrapped in April 1985. Tracy and Michael met in Summer 1985 on the set of FT. Nancy and Michael were apparently still together then, because sources state they were together for "three years".



I too preferred Pollan over Cox. Like her Freinds co-star Aniston, she doesn't have much acting range either and her stint on Family Ties can easily be called "The One Before Monica Moved to New York" because she pretty much acts like a younger Monica.

Maybe so, but I wouldn't want anyone other than Aniston or Cox in their roles on Friends.


I messed up the quoting. :(

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I remember that episode. Wasn't a fan of it at all.

Nancy and Michael met in 1983, on the set of High School USA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCvxI_wP7Jo) (which also starred Dana Plato, Todd Bridges, and Lauri Hendler, among others). Back to the Future filming wrapped in April 1985. Tracy and Michael met in Summer 1985 on the set of FT. Nancy and Michael were apparently still together then, because sources state they were together for "three years".




Maybe so, but I wouldn't want anyone other than Aniston or Cox in their roles on Friends.



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Wow. That's a long time they were together but it looks like he found his true mate when Pollan came along since I believe they're still together 35 years later.

Thanks for the Quote help...one of these days i'm gonna get it right. :lol:

Blair and Monica have a moment to discuss her upbringing in "A New Life" but it's not dramatic. I think the reason Lisa was never given dramatic scenes is because her acting was best on the comedy side. I think she could have handled drama if they had given her more of a chance.

Nancy went on strike at the beginning of season 6. That's why My Boyfriend's Back and Smile don't feature her. They were the first two episodes produced until Nancy's salary was settled and she came back to work. I don't know if she made more than the others. I hope not. I don't pay attention to the gossip on behind the scenes because we weren't there and don't know the full story. Everyone has different perspectives and it's not always the way it went down. I just accept the show for what it's worth.


I don't quite agree: BLAIR may have been a comedienne, but she also had some dramatic moments and some of these episodes prove it, for instance,

'Magnificent obsession': we see BLAIR falling for a guy who mentally abuses her, and it's up to JO to help her.

'Daddy's girl': BLAIR wants to spend some quality time with her dad, but all he has to offer her is money!

'Working it out': BLAIR self loathing when she falls out of love with her first serious boyfriend CLIFF, and it's up to MRS G to save her.

I can name a few other episodes, and even though JO had really dramatic moments and was seeing crying most of the time, i always felt that BLAIR was suffering just as much 'internally'....:talk:

I think that was a risky move on her part since this was 1984 and i'm sure the Three's Company/Suzanne Somers debacle was still fresh in people's minds. She really rolled the dice not appearing in a couple of episodes and holding out like that.
I wonder what the other cast members thought at the time? I have to disagree and say that if she wanted more than the other girls, I don't think that was right.
Even if she worked more or had more lines to rehearse, they were all equal stars on the show and should've earned equal pay. The only one that should have rightfully earned more was Charlotte Rae since she was more experienced.
And I know someone here mentioned Jo being a fan favorite, but I don't remember her getting more attention over the others in media and magazines. Maybe she did and I just didn't notice?
When I think of FOL, the first person I immediately think of is Blair. I think had she pulled the same stunt it would've worked too because I think she was more instrumental to the show than Jo was. jmo though. :)


Me too: when i think of FOL, BLAIR is the first one who pops in my mind, followed by MRS G (certainly not JO, although she has a big fan club up there) after all, they were the original two from 'The girls school' pilot on DS lol!:happyface

And yes, BLAIR was definitely more instrumental than JO: after all, she was the main one from season 1, and the one who stole the limelight from NANCY!:wave:

Me too: when i think of FOL, BLAIR is the first one who pops in my mind, followed by MRS G (certainly not JO, although she has a big fan club up there) after all, they were the original two from 'The girls school' pilot on DS lol!:happyface

And yes, BLAIR was definitely more instrumental than JO: after all, she was the main one from season 1, and the one who stole the limelight from NANCY!:wave:

Blair stole the limelight from one Nancy and then another Nancy came and stoll the spotlight from her.

Blair stole the limelight from one Nancy and then another Nancy came and stoll the spotlight from her.


Not really: BLAIR was just as important as JO: (although the 'Bronx girl' has more fans) happyface

Not a fan of this episode---and a 2 parter to boot. Ugh. I guess it was inevitable one of them was going to learn this fact of life...dating older guy with a kid, but it was just boring. And I hated that the rest of the cast was basically shoved into the background for 2 episodes.

That's the show's Jo favoritism for ya, lol.


I'd go as far as call this the worst of the entire series. (so far).

Wow!

Well, in my alternate faniverse, I changed it to Molly dating her photography teacher and getting in over her strong-willed head. I would have enjoyed that much more!

I wouldn't have preferred that. The Golden Girls were The Facts of Life Girls older. Blair was Blanche, Jo was Dorothy, Mrs. Garrett was Sophia, and Natalie and Tootie were mixed to make Rose.

That's generalizing too much though, and really there's no evidence that TGG "ripped off" anything from FOL. Some of the characters do have similarities, yes, but I doubt Susan Harris took her cues from FOL. There are a couple of great books all about the origin, concept, development, and history of the show.

But by your pattern, I'd say Mrs. G and Nat were more like mixed to be Sophia than Nat and Toot mixed like Rose.


I don't get the appeal of The Golden Girls after rewatching the show when I got older.

How do you not get the appeal? lol It's one of the most classic sitcoms ever in the entire history of historical human mankind. props: It crosses all demographics of age and gender across the board with flying colors. Far more than FOL ever did and ever will (as dearly as I love this show).


There are SOOOO many flashback episodes. They ran out of ideas way too soon.

That wasn't running out of ideas, that was part of the show's charm. :) Who doesn't love to sit around listening to their grandmothers and great-aunts tell hilarious family stories? :bighug: (as we viewers did through the TV screen)


think the only reason Nancy got the most episodes season 6 was because she fought for that raise and they decided to make her work harder for it.

:lol:

"You think you won, Nance? We'll show you!" :lol:

Thanks for no spoilers! It looks like season 6 is where the decline started

Are you kidding? It's an Edna's Edibles year! :)

I think the reason Lisa was never given dramatic scenes is because her acting was best on the comedy side.

She had dramatic scenes and stories.

She seems to be a very private person and I also get the feeling she wants to keep a distance from her FOL years. At least she did for a long while after the show ended. I don't know how she is about it today.

There is a certain podcast episode she did that's about an hour or so, and it is WONDERFUL. It made me respect and appreciate her so much.

Suzanne actually went on talk shows to air her grievances in public, making the producers look bad. That was never going to end well

Yup---just ask Delta Burke!


and was never going to be accepted in Hollywood (where big studio execs, all men, controlled every aspect of the business).

WHAT?!

Molly Parker will be OUTRAGED!!

Molly: ":mad:"

the Nancy/Michael relationship was very well known at the time, and they were photographed smooching everywhere. Here they are hobnobbing with the Reagans (see below).

"Eehhhhh, sorry about parkin' our bike on Nance's fowers, Ron. I thought they were weeds!"

I too preferred Pollan over Cox. Like her Freinds co-star Aniston, she doesn't have much acting range either(

:eek:

Disagree! :bash:

lol

She had dramatic scenes and stories.


Thank you 80sSitcoms: BLAIR definitely had tons of dramatic scenes, but for some reason, some of the FOL fan seem to think otherwise!:wave::wave::wave:

Thank you 80sSitcoms: BLAIR definitely had tons of dramatic scenes, but for some reason, some of the FOL fan seem to think otherwise!:wave::wave::wave:

I wish we had seen more though. The scene where Blair warns Jo not to get too close to her boyfriend's son and then leave him was her alluding to her own childhood and you saw the underlying hurt there. I think she's pretty good with the dramatics.

Maybe she doesn't gush tears from her eyes like Niagara Falls as with Jo, but Lisa's drama acting is more quiet and subtle in comparison. It's a nice difference from Jo's messy, snot nosed crying.

I wish we had seen more though. The scene where Blair warns Jo not to get too close to her boyfriend's son and then leave him was her alluding to her own childhood and you saw the underlying hurt there. I think she's pretty good with the dramatics.

Maybe she doesn't gush tears from her eyes like Niagara Falls as with Jo, but Lisa's drama acting is more quiet and subtle in comparison. It's a nice difference from Jo's messy, snot nosed crying.


Thank you once again cfr1970: you really spoke from the heart!

BLAIR definitely was very subtle in hiding her emotions, but if you read between the lines you can see how much she suffers when she is hurt, and you don't have to 'gush tears form your eyes like Niagara Falls' as you nicely put it ha ha!

JO on the other hand didn't hide anything (even though she was supposed to be the 'tough' one):crazy::crazy::crazy:

Thank you once again cfr1970: you really spoke from the heart!

BLAIR definitely was very subtle in hiding her emotions, but if you read between the lines you can see how much she suffers when she is hurt, and you don't have to 'gush tears form your eyes like Niagara Falls' as you nicely put it ha ha!

JO on the other hand didn't hide anything (even though she was supposed to be the 'tough' one):crazy::crazy::crazy:

Yep! I think both Jo and Tootie were the same when it came to their emotions when upset. They both just let it out and cried all over the place that you needed a mop to wipe up their tears. :lol:

And Blair & Natalie were the same in that those two were more reserved with their emotions when hurt or upset and held back on the open displays of tears.

Yep! I think both Jo and Tootie were the same when it came to their emotions when upset. They both just let it out and cried all over the place that you needed a mop to wipe up their tears. :lol:

And Blair & Natalie were the same in that those two were more reserved with their emotions when hurt or upset and held back on the open displays of tears.


So true!:lol::lol::lol:

That's generalizing too much though, and really there's no evidence that TGG "ripped off" anything from FOL. Some of the characters do have similarities, yes, but I doubt Susan Harris took her cues from FOL. There are a couple of great books all about the origin, concept, development, and history of the show.

But by your pattern, I'd say Mrs. G and Nat were more like mixed to be Sophia than Nat and Toot mixed like Rose.

How do you not get the appeal? lol It's one of the most classic sitcoms ever in the entire history of historical human mankind. props: It crosses all demographics of age and gender across the board with flying colors. Far more than FOL ever did and ever will (as dearly as I love this show).

That wasn't running out of ideas, that was part of the show's charm. :) Who doesn't love to sit around listening to their grandmothers and great-aunts tell hilarious family stories? :bighug: (as we viewers did through the TV screen)

:lol:

"You think you won, Nance? We'll show you!" :lol:


The Facts of Life was a popular show in the 80's. It had never been done before where a show was an all female cast. I'm sure it gave a lot of other writers and creators ideas to make their own version. There's so many similarities between the characters that it's hard to think The Golden Girls was an original idea. If it is, then it is. I think Susan took somethings from the show though to use in The Golden Girls.

Natalie loved writing stories and Tootie was so naive that that's why I think they were a mixture for Rose. Rose had her stories and she wasn't very bright. Tootie had a lot of Rose moments in the earlier seasons of the show. Like Tootie's line in Shoplifting when Jo steals a shirt, "how can we be accessories? We're in sportswear." Those were the type of lines used for Rose in The Golden Girls.

I think The Facts of Life is superior to The Golden Girls in quality. We're all different and my taste in shows don't find The Golden Girls appealing. As much as I love Bea Arthur in Maude, her character Dorothy was too mean to like and Rose was too much of a cartoon character to enjoy at times. It's not my cup of tea.

When a series needs to show flashbacks to previous episodes every season, they ran out of ideas for the episode order given by the network. I remember one time when I watched one of their flashback episodes in the later seasons I was thinking it was the writers way of reminding fans when the show was good and they didn't have to do so many damn flashback stories because they had ideas for episodes :lol:

I can totally picture the writers and producers saying that after Nancy's strike!! :lol: She obviously didn't mind though having the most workload since she stayed with the show 3 more years.

"Eehhhhh, sorry about parkin' our bike on Nance's fowers, Ron. I thought they were weeds!"

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Well, in my alternate faniverse, I changed it to Molly dating her photography teacher and getting in over her strong-willed head. I would have enjoyed that much more!

But, per the movie Sixteen Candles, Molly was jailbait in 1984. Did you forget her f?!*in birthday, lol?

AHAHAHHHHH!!!!!!!

The Facts of Life was a popular show in the 80's. It had never been done before where a show was an all female cast.

If that's true, that's odd that that's never touted about the show (or if it is, it's not very loudly, lol).


Natalie loved writing stories and Tootie was so naive that that's why I think they were a mixture for Rose. Rose had her stories and she wasn't very bright.

That still seems like quite a stretch.


Tootie had a lot of Rose moments in the earlier seasons of the show. Like Tootie's line in Shoplifting when Jo steals a shirt, "how can we be accessories? We're in sportswear." Those were the type of lines used for Rose in The Golden Girls.

Well, in Tootie's defense it's not that she "wasn't bright", it's just she was so young and naive. They loved highlighting that "innocence of the youngest one" for her (which of course you know).


I think The Facts of Life is superior to The Golden Girls in quality.

I don't think I would say that, but they are 2 of my favorite shows. :)


We're all different and my taste in shows don't find The Golden Girls appealing. As much as I love Bea Arthur in Maude, her character Dorothy was too mean to like and Rose was too much of a cartoon character to enjoy at times. It's not my cup of tea.

I consider the first 4 seasons truly "golden". (see what I did there? ;)) After that, eventually the later writers wrote Rose as "dumb", Blanche proud of being slutty, and Sophia as too mean (as opposed to you finding Dorothy that way).

I do enjoy some "Maude" now and then, but she's too strident and loud for me to watch regularly.


When a series needs to show flashbacks to previous episodes every season, they ran out of ideas for the episode order given by the network.

I don't think that's the case. I think that was a conscious decision by the producers and writers to showcase the girls reminiscing. No show would run out of ideas after 23 episodes, lol. Like Susan Harris says, she loved writing older characters because they have stories. They have things to share and remember. Besides that, it's such "comfort TV" to watch them reminisce together. :)

Also, some of the flashback episodes aren't real flashbacks, but they flash back on to vignettes that were new material.

Oh, well. It's clear our sitcom tastes differ some on FOL and a lot outside of it, lol.

If that's true, that's odd that that's never touted about the show (or if it is, it's not very loudly, lol).

That still seems like quite a stretch.

Well, in Tootie's defense it's not that she "wasn't bright", it's just she was so young and naive. They loved highlighting that "innocence of the youngest one" for her (which of course you know).

I don't think I would say that, but they are 2 of my favorite shows. :)

I consider the first 4 seasons truly "golden". (see what I did there? ;)) After that, eventually the later writers wrote Rose as "dumb", Blanche proud of being slutty, and Sophia as too mean (as opposed to you finding Dorothy that way).

I do enjoy some "Maude" now and then, but she's too strident and loud for me to watch regularly.

I don't think that's the case. I think that was a conscious decision by the producers and writers to showcase the girls reminiscing. No show would run out of ideas after 23 episodes, lol. Like Susan Harris says, she loved writing older characters because they have stories. They have things to share and remember. Besides that, it's such "comfort TV" to watch them reminisce together. :)

Also, some of the flashback episodes aren't real flashbacks, but they flash back on to vignettes that were new material.

Oh, well. It's clear our sitcom tastes differ some on FOL and a lot outside of it, lol.

Here's one article that mentions The Facts of Life was the first female cast show. (https://www.theloop.ca/17-facts-you-probably-didnt-know-about-the-facts-of-life/) It's definitely not mentioned as much as it should. It's also the longest running female lead series.

I still see a lot of Tootie in Rose. Thankfully she wasn't written to the extremes of being too silly to take.

Maude has hilarious one liners that I enjoy. Dorothy didn't have that. Dorothy was just there to boss people around and make fun of Rose. Like the episode where Sophia's friend wants her help in committing suicide. Dorothy tells Sophia if she does that, she'll wind up a Rose story. Rose was trying to be supportive to Sophia and Dorothy belittled her intentions. Suicide is a heavy topic and I feel Dorothy ignored Sophia's situation to take a jab at Rose in that scene.

I'd rather see the girls go through situations like we saw on The Facts of Life than sit at a table and show clips from previous episodes. Only a few of those flashback episodes were original with flashbacks about something not seen on screen before.

Yes, that's what makes everyone unique is that we're all different :)

Here's one article that mentions The Facts of Life was the first female cast show. (https://www.theloop.ca/17-facts-you-probably-didnt-know-about-the-facts-of-life/) It's definitely not mentioned as much as it should.

Apparently not!


It's also the longest running female lead series.

But it seems you could only count certain seasons in that aspect, since there were some male leads along the way.


Maude has hilarious one liners that I enjoy. Dorothy didn't have that. Dorothy was just there to boss people around and make fun of Rose.

Well I definitely can't agree with that. All four Golden Girls had constant one-liners (that show makes me ":lol:" more than most).


Like the episode where Sophia's friend wants her help in committing suicide. Dorothy tells Sophia if she does that, she'll wind up a Rose story. Rose was trying to be supportive to Sophia and Dorothy belittled her intentions. Suicide is a heavy topic and I feel Dorothy ignored Sophia's situation to take a jab at Rose in that scene.

Hm, I didn't take that from that.


Yes, that's what makes everyone unique is that we're all different :)

Yeah, but unfortunately for message boards for common interest topics, that gets in the way of basking in mutual agreement, which I prefer, lol.

Here's one article that mentions The Facts of Life was the first female cast show. (https://www.theloop.ca/17-facts-you-probably-didnt-know-about-the-facts-of-life/) It's definitely not mentioned as much as it should. It's also the longest running female lead series.

I still see a lot of Tootie in Rose. Thankfully she wasn't written to the extremes of being too silly to take.

Maude has hilarious one liners that I enjoy. Dorothy didn't have that. Dorothy was just there to boss people around and make fun of Rose. Like the episode where Sophia's friend wants her help in committing suicide. Dorothy tells Sophia if she does that, she'll wind up a Rose story. Rose was trying to be supportive to Sophia and Dorothy belittled her intentions. Suicide is a heavy topic and I feel Dorothy ignored Sophia's situation to take a jab at Rose in that scene.

I'd rather see the girls go through situations like we saw on The Facts of Life than sit at a table and show clips from previous episodes. Only a few of those flashback episodes were original with flashbacks about something not seen on screen before.

Yes, that's what makes everyone unique is that we're all different :)


To be fair, it wasn't just Dorothy....all those women were mean and catty to each other at times. The biting cut downs were a huge part of the show's humor. Each one of them could spew a cutting insult to the other.

Blanche always cut down on Dorothy's outfits and manly stature. And when Dorothy asked her what she'd say about her in her eulogy, Blanche was like "I'd say that you always made me feel protected" LOL.

Sophia cut down on all of them, and even Rose had a mean streak--especially towards Dorothy. The HUGE difference between GG and FOL is that you never saw the Core Four ever intentionally saying such biting insults to each other.

The insults Jo & Blair would toss back and forth to each other had more of a light humor to it than a mean streak like on GG. I think those old gals really despised each other deep down inside. :lol:

To be fair, it wasn't just Dorothy....all those women were mean and catty to each other at times. The biting cut downs were a huge part of the show's humor. Each one of them could spew a cutting insult to the other.

Well, once you're "of a certain age", society gives you a pass for acting certain ways, lol. It's been said on message boards before how young girls could never have gotten away with the racy things the Golden Girls said, but because they were "overly mature", no one questioned them or batted an eye.


And when Dorothy asked her what she'd say about her in her eulogy, Blanche was like "I'd say that you always made me feel protected" LOL.

Yes! The exact quote is, "I would say I always felt safe with you in the house. :)"

And then she pats Dorothy's hand appreciatively!

:rofl:


Sophia cut down on all of them, and even Rose had a mean streak--especially towards Dorothy. The HUGE difference between GG and FOL is that you never saw the Core Four ever intentionally saying such biting insults to each other.

The insults Jo & Blair would toss back and forth to each other had more of a light humor to it than a mean streak like on GG. I think those old gals really despised each other deep down inside. :lol:

:lol:

I can see what you mean, but when it comes down to it they really do love each other like family; the theme song and many of the show's ending are such comforts of that. :) I'm sure if some of us were over 55 and living together we'd care about each other but would get on each other's nerves too, lol.

Plus, NOT to be sexist (Molly alert! Molly alert!), but they are older women. I once worked with a girl (sorry, Molly---"woman"!) who used to wait on older people in a facility, and she said the old men were sweet and content as could be, but the old women were moody and crotchety and could be such big pains---and this fro someone who was a staunch feminist, always on the side of women! lol

That also reminds me of when I worked in retail, and I mentioned how this lady customer was being difficult, and the female colleague I was sharing this with said, "Oh, I'll be the first to tell you, women shoppers are the worst!" lol

Also, thinking about this while I was in the shower (don't we all think of Sitcoms Online while we're in the shower? :lol:), I thought how I think Natalie's personality is much more like Sophia than she is Rose.

Well, once you're "of a certain age", society gives you a pass for acting certain ways, lol. It's been said on message boards before how young girls could never have gotten away with the racy things the Golden Girls said, but because they were "overly mature", no one questioned them or batted an eye.




Yes! The exact quote is, "I would say I always felt safe with you in the house. :)"

And then she pats Dorothy's hand appreciatively!

:rofl:




:lol:

I can see what you mean, but when it comes down to it they really do love each other like family; the theme song and many of the show's ending are such comforts of that. :) I'm sure if some of us were over 55 and living together we'd care about each other but would get on each other's nerves too, lol.

Plus, NOT to be sexist (Molly alert! Molly alert!), but they are older women. I once worked with a girl (sorry, Molly---"woman"!) who used to wait on older people in a facility, and she said the old men were sweet and content as could be, but the old women were moody and crotchety and could be such big pains---and this fro someone who was a staunch feminist, always on the side of women! lol

That also reminds me of when I worked in retail, and I mentioned how this lady customer was being difficult, and the female colleague I was sharing this with said, "Oh, I'll be the first to tell you, women shoppers are the worst!" lol

Also, thinking about this while I was in the shower (don't we all think of Sitcoms Online while we're in the shower? :lol:), I thought how I think Natalie's personality is much more like Sophia than she is Rose.

Yes! The exact quote is, "I would say I always felt safe with you in the house. :)"

And then she pats Dorothy's hand appreciatively!


Yes that's the line! The way she says it so sweetly and with a smile makes it extra catty lol.

I worked retail 25 years in supermarkets and will be the first to confirm the women shoppers were nasty snakes. Just really really horrible. It reached the point where if I saw one coming, i'd leave the aisle before they got to me. :lol:

The men though? Nice as pie and always straight to the point. Men want to get in, grab their crap, and get the hell back out. Women can wander the aisles all day long looking for someone to pester to fill up their empty days. The bored housewives were the worst. Devil spawn from HELL they were! :devil:

Yes that's the line! The way she says it so sweetly and with a smile makes it extra catty lol.

:lol:

But see, that's the beauty of these characters; I don't see that as her being catty, at least not entirely so. I think she thinks she herself was sweet for finding something "nice" to say, lol.


I worked retail 25 years in supermarkets and will be the first to confirm the women shoppers were nasty snakes. Just really really horrible. It reached the point where if I saw one coming, i'd leave the aisle before they got to me. :lol:

:lol:


The men though? Nice as pie and always straight to the point. Men want to get in, grab their crap, and get the hell back out. Women can wander the aisles all day long looking for someone to pester to fill up their empty days. The bored housewives were the worst. Devil spawn from HELL they were! :devil:

Oh, are you gonna catch some hell from Molly Parker! :lol:

But yeah, I do know what you mean. I was in men's retail myself for a while, and it was very appreciative smooth sailing. :wave:

I've enjoyed reading these comments comparing and contrasting FOL and GG, which I think were both great shows, each in their own way. I won't say one was better than the other (although FOL is closer to my heart, being a story of growing up, which I viewed while growing up), but I did like how FOL was sometimes better about continuity.

For example, it would have been very rare indeed for GG to bring back characters who hadn't been seen on the show for five seasons. Seasons two and three of FOL gave us seven more episodes of Lost Girl goodness, and for that, I'm very grateful (although I wish there had been more glimpses into these characters, especially in season four). And when FOL brought back our dear Lost Girls five years later, allowing us to get some closure on how they were doing after all these years, that was quite exceptional. Sure, I wish La Mol had done the episode, and that Mrs. Garrett had been there, but I don't think I've ever seen that careful attention to continuity on a 1980s sitcom.

Another example is the fourth(?)-season mention of Howard, who we hadn't seen since Season Two. Even the flashbacks in S5 to Mr. Bradley and the Lost Girls was a nice touch. And I suppose, for George Clooney fans, getting four final episodes with him must have been quite nice as well.

Bringing the show back to Eastland at the end of Season 9 was also a nice "full circle" moment. We never got that sort of experience on The Golden Palace.

It is interesting to note when folks "met" certain shows. I too grew up with both these shows, starting in my little formative years, so they're both very dear to me. :bighug:

:lol:

But see, that's the beauty of these characters; I don't see that as her being catty, at least not entirely so. I think she thinks she herself was sweet for finding something "nice" to say, lol.

Oh, are you gonna catch some hell from Molly Parker! :lol:

But yeah, I do know what you mean. I was in men's retail myself for a while, and it was very appreciative smooth sailing. :wave:

Oh no...I think deep down inside Blanche hated Dorothy. I think it stemmed from in the beginning when she called her a slut when her man made a move on her. There's another time when Dorothy asks her how she looked and Blanche just went OFF on her (again all sweetly) about her "spare tire" and other things lol. I think when she was out she and Rose made fun of her all day long. :lol:

Is Molly Parker some man hating feminist? All these Molly references to the potentially sexist comments has be thinking she was walking around Peekskill with a picket sign and burning her training bras! To be honest, women like that annoy the hell out of me, so I think when I focus on season 1 next time, i'm going to despise that character!

Oh no...I think deep down inside Blanche hated Dorothy. I think it stemmed from in the beginning when she called her a slut when her man made a move on her. There's another time when Dorothy asks her how she looked and Blanche just went OFF on her (again all sweetly) about her "spare tire" and other things lol. I think when she was out she and Rose made fun of her all day long. :lol:

Is Molly Parker some man hating feminist? All these Molly references to the potentially sexist comments has be thinking she was walking around Peekskill with a picket sign and burning her training bras! To be honest, women like that annoy the hell out of me, so I think when I focus on season 1 next time, i'm going to despise that character!

Just take a look at Molly Ringwald's social media pages to see how Molly Parker thinks.

Molly Parker is not a man hating feminist, she is a feminist, social justice warrior, and techno geek.

Oh no...I think deep down inside Blanche hated Dorothy.

Nope, nope, the show's theme song is "Thank You For Bein' a Friend", not "Thank You For Bein' a Foe", lol. ;)

Besides, just look at the series finale and how they all hated saying goodbye (*sniff!*).


I think it stemmed from in the beginning when she called her a slut when her man made a move on her.

Now that was a very rough bump in their friendship!


There's another time when Dorothy asks her how she looked and Blanche just went OFF on her (again all sweetly) about her "spare tire" and other things lol.

Lol, I know what you're talking about, but she wasn't sweet at all. She wasn't even talking to Dorothy. She was talking to Rose while demonstrating on Dorothy, as they were analyzing Dorothy's shortcomings in her looks when Dorothy was trying to decide which necklace to wear with her outfit, lol! Rose suggests Dorothy wear the chain as opposed to the pearls:

Blanche: "An amateur's mistake. Don't you see the chain directs the eye toward the spare tire jutting out over those square manly hips?"

Rose: "Well that's true, but the pearls draw attention to the non-existent bosom."

:lol:


Is Molly Parker some man hating feminist? All these Molly references to the potentially sexist comments has be thinking she was walking around Peekskill with a picket sign and burning her training bras! To be honest, women like that annoy the hell out of me, so I think when I focus on season 1 next time, i'm going to despise that character!

:lol:

Well it's not quite like "that", but you'll see what we mean, lol.

Just take a look at Molly Ringwald's social media pages to see how Molly Parker thinks.

Molly Parker is not a man hating feminist, she is a feminist, social justice warrior, and techno geek.

I agree: Molly's not a man-hater, but she does fight for equality for women. (That was kind of important in 1980, when Mr. Bradley felt he knew more than a registered nurse about sex education.)

To be honest, i never watched THE GOLDEN GIRLS continually like i did with FOL (only when it was on TV) partly, because i couldn't identify myself with a bunch of middle aged women ha ha ha! But, from what i could see, the 4 of them seemed like a tight family (just like on FOL) or?

^---Yes, they loved each other, but definitely had to learn how to live with each other, lol. :)

And you don't have to be the same demographic as a show's actors to enjoy it or connect with it. GG astounded the TV industry by covering demographics all across the board and getting people to tune in on Saturday nights. To connect with a show, you'll just jibe with its terrific writing, acting, and directing :) (provided it hopefully has those, lol).

^---Yes, they loved each other, but definitely had to learn how to live with each other, lol. :)

And you don't have to be the same demographic as a show's actors to enjoy it or connect with it. GG astounded the TV industry by covering demographics all across the board and getting people to tune in on Saturday nights. To connect with a show, you'll just jibe with its terrific writing, acting, and directing :) (provided it hopefully has those, lol).

That reminds me of when Dorothy lost it and yelled "I could've been living in a swinging singles retirement place. But instead i'm stuck living with...oh I shouldn't say any thing more....(sips her coffee)....a SLUT and a MORON!....(looks down at her cup)...It must be decaf" :lol:

I should go over to the GG board....are they friendly over there? I'm still reeling from the politics board and gun shy about trying any new boards around here. I have very thin skin! :crazy:

Lol, I think you'll be okay! The show boards are been pretty easygoing. :)

(Lord, why would you go to politics?!? LOL ;) )

Lol, I think you'll be okay! The show boards are been pretty easygoing. :)

(Lord, why would you go to politics?!? LOL ;) )

I made a comment over on the general sitcom board that was deemed inappropriate since it was kind of political and got scolded by the mod. So I brought the comment over to politics and holy crap it's a war zone over there...I tried for a while, but wound up fleeing for the hills from all the hostility. I learned the hard way it's not for me!

I much prefer keeping it light and fun!! party::bouncers

I made a comment over on the general sitcom board that was deemed inappropriate since it was kind of political and got scolded by the mod. So I brought the comment over to politics and holy crap it's a war zone over there...I tried for a while, but wound up fleeing for the hills from all the hostility. I learned the hard way it's not for me!

I much prefer keeping it light and fun!! party::bouncers

Then don't bother visiting the Bewitched forum. There's a guy there, posting from multiple accounts, posting vile stuff about Dick York and posting edited clips of Elizabeth Montgomery praising only Dick Sargeant. :lol:

Then don't bother visiting the Bewitched forum. There's a guy there, posting from multiple accounts, posting vile stuff about Dick York and posting edited clips of Elizabeth Montgomery praising only Dick Sargeant. :lol:

I was there recently because I LOVE Bewitched and also Elizabeth Montgomery, and I saw that whole thread. It's a shame there are people like that. All those stars have passed on so it's really just pointless speculation in the end.

Just talk about the show and the characters that we all love. Since the actors who portrayed them can't validate or refute anything, why bother nit picking about them like that?! I don't get it.

I was there recently because I LOVE Bewitched and also Elizabeth Montgomery, and I saw that whole thread. It's a shame there are people like that. All those stars have passed on so it's really just pointless speculation in the end.

Just talk about the show and the characters that we all love. Since the actors who portrayed them can't validate or refute anything, why bother nit picking about them like that?! I don't get it.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. But it's not just one thread; there are more than 50 threads with the same crazy allegations.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. But it's not just one thread; there are more than 50 threads with the same crazy allegations.

I hope that never happens to this forum. It's nice here! :)

I much prefer keeping it light and fun!! party::bouncers

:yeahthat Me too! :nod:

That's why I get so discouraged when I run into disagreements around here. The last thing I wanna do when talking about my favorite shows is to run across disagreements that spoil the fun. But oh well---it's a "fact of life"! ;)

(I just try focusing on the fun agreeable stuff, lol)

I made a comment over on the general sitcom board that was deemed inappropriate since it was kind of political and got scolded by the mod. So I brought the comment over to politics and holy crap it's a war zone over there...I tried for a while, but wound up fleeing for the hills from all the hostility. I learned the hard way it's not for me!

I much prefer keeping it light and fun!! party::bouncers

Why is there a politics board on a tv pop culture site?

I was there recently because I LOVE Bewitched and also Elizabeth Montgomery, and I saw that whole thread. It's a shame there are people like that. All those stars have passed on so it's really just pointless speculation in the end.

Just talk about the show and the characters that we all love. Since the actors who portrayed them can't validate or refute anything, why bother nit picking about them like that?! I don't get it.

That horrible thread was there before Christmas. I can't believe it's still active!

That horrible thread was there before Christmas. I can't believe it's still active!

That guy will not stop. They suspended his account, so he opened a new account.

Why is there a politics board on a tv pop culture site?

It's part of the chit chat boards. Man back in the day when these message boards first started, it was hopping over there. TJ, the creator of this site, tried to provide all the areas of discussion that you would find on other hit sites like the IMDb boards or reddit. The random board was fun. Clicks of friends from the popular show boards would go start a random thread where they discuss anything. Back then The Facts of Life, Happy Days, and Three's Company were the boards that had a lot of members become friends and do their usual random chat on how things were going or talk about other areas of interest. It was a lot of fun back in the beginning. Those were the days :cool:

It was a lot of fun back in the beginning. Those were the days :cool:

I remember those days---this whole website was hopping! It was streaming with topics all the time on most of the show boards...all the excitement of a fresh, fun new place to talk about your favorite TV shows! :clap: