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Larry Tate
03-04-2020, 02:40 PM
Remakes?????...........What Remakes????
Thank God we had 3 more seasons of Bewitched with Dick Sargent
I do not see what I want to see rather what is actually to be seen & is on the screen itself.

Others see what they choose to through a prism that is distorted by the affection that they feel for DY, hence I believe the place from where all the hatred for DS comes from by the Yorkies who express it.

What I saw was DS as Darrin clearly in love & devoted to Samantha with great affection for her & totally devoted to being with her evermore.

Most Yorkie's have the view that you express but most Bewitched fans in total, although may prefer DY, still very much like & enjoy DS as Darrin & his seasons a great deal.

He was very popular with the original generation of Bewitched fans that count the most the & although they are not as vocal as the Yorkie's they exist just as much to the same extent.

Although the ratings which are a relative thing to other shows did go down, the actual number of Households & people watching Bewitched were actually higher in the DS years then the early DY years for example.

As well the changeover prior to season 6 was not publicized & was largely unknown to the Bewitched Fan base till it happened. So when the fans tuned in to see the first episode of Season 6 they were expecting to still see DY, the ratings for this episode where they were tuning in to see DY were exactly the same as they were for the rest of the season when when they were tuning in to see DS, as they knew of the switch after seeing the first episode.

As well after the switch over there was no reaction from Bewitched fans, nobody called or wrote & cared or had a problem with it.This according to Screen Gems executives of the time like Bill Asher, Harry Ackermen, Richard Baer & Richard Michaels.

Thank goodness that the show did not end after season 5, that would have been a huge mistake & instead it should have been as it was done with the show continuing onward's for 3 more Wonderful Seasons.

Yes, Liz & DS were very good friends in a personal sense while she & DY were merely fellow workers who otherwise were not acquainted & were nothing more, which is why they had zero contact after DY left the show.

The Dynamics of the show as to how the characters such as Darrin, Samantha & Endora etc. interrelated & the Premise of the show was unchanged by the changeover from DY to DS, everything was maintained as it had been with consistency.

The 8th season was excellent & very enjoyable, all this Liz was bored,unhappy, hated being there, was a hateful Samantha & changed the character is a lot of Rubbish & is not what one sees on the screen, rather one sees the opposite of all this hateful comments.

Furthermore Elizabeth Montgomery is on record in many interviews that she loved doing all 8 years of the show, was never ever bored for a minute or unhappy doing the show during the 8 seasons & that it was a great experience throughout the entire run of the show & that she would not change anything about her experience in doing the show.

Her words are the truth & after all she should know as they were her feelings.

In fact what one sees is a happy & joyful Samantha, more so even then the previous seasons & that is saying something.

Good examples of this are Bewitched,Bothered & Baldoni, Three Men & a Witch on a Horse, where Adams powers were tested & the final episode, all that i have described is clearly delineated in those episodes.

#72 "What every Young man should know" from season two is a remake of the Pilot.

Remakes began as early as that not only in the last three seasons as so many say.

I would say from season 3 on there were 2,2,3,3,4,4 (out of the first 22 episodes in season 8) remakes, it was only at the end of season 8 that they were largely the case with 3 of the last 4 episodes being remakes.

These facts just show how creative & diverse Bewitched was, that although they stuck to their main premise through all 8 years they still never became formulaic or just rehashed themselves on a regular basis, quite the opposite was the case with varied &
unique episodes being the norm the vast majority of the time rather then them being glorified remakes of each other as has been suggested.

I must say as well that episodes where a spell was placed on Darrin or when he was transformed, ones time travel back & into the future, witch illness ones etc. were never remakes but all unique & creative episodes in the form of sub premises of the main premise, otherwise you might as well say that each time Samantha twitched her nose or Darrin kissed her that this made it a remake episode.

This would make as much sense as it would be to say the ones i referred to above were remakes as well,
& not the word for word of the entire episodes(which none of them ever were)which so often are claimed to be the case by those people who claim most if not all of the episodes the last 3 seasons & especially they say the last season were remakes..............they weren't needless to say.

Even when they were remakes they changed them around so much that they were dissimilar and only had the odd line in the odd scene that was word for word the same with 98% of the dialogue utterly different from the original episode, this was not like the Japanese or Russian versions of Bewitched where they took the original scripts for each Bewitched episode and then remade them literally word for word scene for scene, when Bewitched even had a rare remake then this was not the case, far from it.


I don't think the issue was the lack of new writers but rather that if you were going to stay true to the fundamental premise & the original characterizations then one was limited in what one could do over 8 years.

The alternative would be to go off on a completely different tangent that would not have been good or healthy for the show.

The fact that they stayed true to their original intent & premise is laudable in my view.

Actually a good quarter to a third of the shows the last few years were from new writers.

To me Little Pitchers Have Big Fears", "Soapbox Derby" are the same as It's Magic and Prodigy,the sort of Good Sam helps the Mortals sub premise and therefore would not constitute a remake, same as a spell on Darrin would not even though it had been done before & the basic aspects of it were the same in premise such a spell, complications for Mortal Darrin, he freaks, he & Sam work to fix it out, she uses magic as a last resort to do so, Witches ,laughing at all the mischief they created, mortals saying did i just see that................that sort of thing, but they were not remakes either.

tcr1701
03-04-2020, 05:36 PM
You always use "Yorkies" as if it some kind of insult. As if there even is such a thing other than those wiry little dogs (Yorkshire Terriers). But as for Dick York fans I've never heard one say they "hate Dick Sargent." Nor has one ever attempted to trash Dick Sargent's reputation over and over rather gleefully. Preferring one actor over the other is not hatred. Well, for most normal people.

As for the ratings on episode 1 of season six we don't have that. The ratings calculated were for that season overall. We have no idea if the show dropped during or after Dick Sargent appeared. If you have those episode by episode numbers from the Nielsen's please do post them.

But how do lower ratings mean more people were watching? Again, just trying to understand the math here. Is this that "new math" people were talking about in the 1960s?

Herbie Pilato said that Liz and her good friend Dick Sargent hadn't see or spoken with each each other in many years until he began writing his Bewitched book. Then they did one gay pride parade together, but that seems about it.

Larry Tate
03-04-2020, 05:46 PM
Take it as you want, it is what it is, and they are all what they so!!!

Again your a liar as it is rare for a Yorkie to not spew out hate and vitriol towards Dick Sargent.

There is nothing normal about Yorkies or their actions.

In regards to York normal fans merely state facts not York biased delusions.
You may not have it i do, ratings are calculated on a weekly basis.

That has already been explained to you, the numbers of people went up.

Liz has stated on camera numerous times she was best friends with Dick Sargent, but then again you know better about how they felt about each other.

You always use "Yorkies" as if it some kind of insult. As if there even is such a thing other than those wiry little dogs (Yorkshire Terriers). But as for Dick York fans I've never heard one say they "hate Dick Sargent." Nor has one ever attempted to trash Dick Sargent's reputation over and over rather gleefully. Preferring one actor over the other is not hatred. Well, for most normal people.

As for the ratings on episode 1 of season six we don't have that. The ratings calculated were for that season overall. We have no idea if the show dropped during or after Dick Sargent appeared. If you have those episode by episode numbers from the Nielsen's please do post them.

But how do lower ratings mean more people were watching? Again, just trying to understand the math here. Is this that "new math" people were talking about in the 1960s?

Herbie Pilato said that Liz and her good friend Dick Sargent hadn't see or spoken with each each other in many years until he began writing his Bewitched book. Then they did one gay pride parade together, but that seems about it.

Willbo
03-04-2020, 05:57 PM
I have never said a negative thing about Dick Sargent yet I am labeled a Yorkie because I prefer the actor Dick York in the role of Darrin instead of Dick Sargent. You spew hate and venom toward Dick York. Like I have said in the past, I like Dick Sargent. He just was not the original Darrin. I liked him as Elise's father on Family Ties. I believe most of us on this board don't understand your unkind words toward this man. Also your total disrespect for other posters who do not share your opinions. Grow up.

Monliz
03-04-2020, 06:05 PM
That tcr1701 thinks he knows more about Bewitched than the star of that show, which is Elizabeth Montgomery, and now he thinks he knows more about Lizz's friendships than Lizz herself, it's funny :lol:

tcr1701
03-04-2020, 06:10 PM
Again your a liar as it is rare for a Yorkie to not spew out hate and vitriol towards Dick Sargent.

Technically that would be "you're a liar" but grammar aside, please point out my hateful words about Dick Sargent - here or on other threads. I have stated many times I think Dick Sargent was "the perfect choice" since no one could do what Dick York did. He had real pathos in the character. Or as Bill Asher said he was "just wonderful."

You may not have it i do, ratings are calculated on a weekly basis.

Of course you have "records and documents" that no one else has or has ever seen before. Yes, ratings are calculated weekly NOW and released publicly NOW. But back in 1969 there are no existing records of verified episode by episode ratings.

Larry Tate
03-04-2020, 06:14 PM
Rubbish, every week the nelson ratings have been published since they began back sometime in the 1950's, that is how they knew week to week what the top 10 or 20 etc. ratings were every week.

As for your hatred towards Dick Sargent if the York fits wear it.

Do your own research.

Technically that would be "you're a liar" but grammar aside, please point out my hateful words about Sick Sargent - here or on other threads. I have stated many times I think Dick Sargent was "the perfect choice" since no one could do what Dick York did. He had real pathos in the character. Or as Bill Asher said he was "just wonderful."



Of course you have "records and documents" that no one else has or has ever seen before. Yes, ratings are calculated weekly NOW and released publicly NOW. But back in 1969 there are no existing records of verified episode by episode ratings.

Larry Tate
03-04-2020, 06:20 PM
Sadly for you it would be necessary for you to exist to grow up so i will not suggest the impossible.

I state facts only about Dick York and have consistently had the highest regard for him as an actor, think he did a brilliant job as Darrin, where i wish he could have done all 8 seasons and enjoyed his performances immensely.

Dick Sargent was the originally chosen Darrin.
I merely react to the utterly disrespectful and irrational way you yorkie's post hatred and ugly smears against Elizabeth Montgomery and ugly hateful personal attacks against those that defend her and the truth such as myself, deal with it.

By the way Liz never appeared on the Tom Snyder talk show, just more delusion on the part of Yorkie's.


I have never said a negative thing about Dick Sargent yet I am labeled a Yorkie because I prefer the actor Dick York in the role of Darrin instead of Dick Sargent. You spew hate and venom toward Dick York. Like I have said in the past, I like Dick Sargent. He just was not the original Darrin. I liked him as Elise's father on Family Ties. I believe most of us on this board don't understand your unkind words toward this man. Also your total disrespect for other posters who do not share your opinions. Grow up.

Mr. Television
03-04-2020, 07:26 PM
Are you saying nobody knew the change was going to take place before that episode aired? Because If I knew I probably wouldn't have watched.

tcr1701
03-04-2020, 07:31 PM
Rubbish, every week the nelson ratings have been published since they began back sometime in the 1950's, that is how they knew week to week what the top 10 or 20 etc. ratings were every week.Do your own research.

Ah, so you don't have any records of weekly ratings from 1969 either. Understood.

Willbo
03-04-2020, 07:46 PM
You have no clue about Tom Snyder. You are just upset you did not know about it. I have always admired Eliaxabeth Montgomery. She is Bewitched. You have a sick sence of who she was. I found some threads from 2011 on this board. You were spewing the same lies back then. Your fake news has been going on for way to long.

Monliz
03-04-2020, 07:57 PM
You have no clue about Tom Snyder. You are just upset you did not know about it. I have always admired Eliaxabeth Montgomery. She is Bewitched. You have a sick sence of who she was. I found some threads from 2011 on this board. You were spewing the same lies back then. Your fake news has been going on for way to long.

Lizz was never interviewed by Tom Snyder and she never talked to Dick York since he left Bewitched. You're blatantly lying

If you say that interview happened and you want us to believe you, you have to prove it, if you don't prove it then all you're doing is losing credibility

tcr1701
03-04-2020, 08:00 PM
Bill Asher states at the 10 minute 40 second mark that Dick Sargent was "runner up" to Dick York in casting Darrin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=hCIqwBMLx38&feature=emb_logo

He also sates that Dick York was "infinitely better."

Willbo
03-04-2020, 09:28 PM
It was a radio program. Monliz/Larry Tate you make these outlandish assumptions and cannot back then up. EM and DY did speak on the radio show. I do not have an agenda and do not have to lie to get attention. You two or one have uttered total fabrications and lies for years on here.

tcr1701
03-04-2020, 09:48 PM
It was a radio program. Monliz/Larry Tate you make these outlandish assumptions and cannot back then up. EM and DY did speak on the radio show. I do not have an agenda and do not have to lie to get attention. You two or one have uttered total fabrications and lies for years on here.

I have heard of this interview with Dick and Liz as well. I wish is still existed. York was asked on Entertainment Tonight if he ever spoke to Elizabeth again after his last day on the set and he replied "not in person." He didn't elaborate but may have meant this interview.

Willbo
03-04-2020, 09:59 PM
Thank you tcr1701. I listened to it all the time in college. It was so good to hear them speak again. EM had no animosity toward DY at all in the interview. She was very kind to him. He was dying and she knew it.

Willbo
03-04-2020, 10:07 PM
Mr Television, I remember reading about the change in actors in TV Guide in the summer of 1969.

Monliz
03-05-2020, 03:02 AM
I have heard of this interview with Dick and Liz as well. I wish is still existed. York was asked on Entertainment Tonight if he ever spoke to Elizabeth again after his last day on the set and he replied "not in person." He didn't elaborate but may have meant this interview.

You really love twisting things, don't you? In that interview York was asked if he HAD SEEN Lizz since he left the show and he said not in person, meaning he saw her on TV or in a movie.

Then York continued to explain and said he and Lizz never spoke to each other since he left the show, he said he called her weeks before that interview but she wasn't at home and she didn't return his call.

York said he wishes to talk to her some day. Now stop lying, as much as you try tu spin things around you can't change the reality, all you do is descredit yourself

tcr1701
03-05-2020, 08:09 AM
You really love twisting things, don't you? In that interview York was asked if HAD SEEN Lizz since he left the show and he said not in person, meaning he saw her on TV or in a movie.

Then York continued to explain and said he and Lizz never spoke to each since he left the show, he said he called her weeks before that interview but she wasn't at home and she didn't return his call.

York said he wishes to talk to her some day. Now stop lying, as much as you try tu spin things around you can't change the reality, all you do is descredit yourself

Tom Snyder hosted various radio shows from 1987 to 1999:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Snyder#Radio

The interview you reference was "Inside Edition" with Bill O'Reilly (I mis-remembered it as Entertainment Tonight) From 1989. York died in 1992 so there were a few years he could have done Snyder's radio show with Lizz (as you spell it) AFTER he said he had not SEEN or SPOKEN to her since he left Bewitched.

I was paraphrasing York's comments. You can see the whole interview on Bewitched.net ("Dick York Interview 1 - part 2 of 2" specifically):

http://www.bewitched.net/filmfax.htm

There's only one person on this board who deliberately posts falsehoods to "spin things."

Willbo
03-05-2020, 08:50 AM
You really love twisting things, don't you? In that interview York was asked if HAD SEEN Lizz since he left the show and he said not in person, meaning he saw her on TV or in a movie.

Then York continued to explain and said he and Lizz never spoke to each since he left the show, he said he called her weeks before that interview but she wasn't at home and she didn't return his call.

York said he wishes to talk to her some day. Now stop lying, as much as you try tu spin things around you can't change the reality, all you do is descredit yourself
Monliz, how do you know what Dick York meant? You are making all sorts of assumptions. It could mean many different things.

Monliz
03-05-2020, 08:55 AM
Tom Snyder hosted various radio shows from 1987 to 1999:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Snyder#Radio

The interview you reference was "Inside Edition" with Bill O'Reilly (I mis-remembered it as Entertainment Tonight) From 1989. York died in 1992 so there were a few years he could have done Snyder's radio show with Lizz (as you spell it) AFTER he said he had not SEEN or SPOKEN to her since he left Bewitched.

I was paraphrasing York's comments. You can see the whole interview on Bewitched.net ("Dick York Interview 1 - part 2 of 2" specifically):

http://www.bewitched.net/filmfax.htm

There's only one person on this board who deliberately posts falsehoods to "spin things."

Don't start deflecting now, you paragraphed York's words but you changed the question the interviewer made to him, and then you twisted the whole thing to make it look like York said he talked to Elizabeth Montgomery. You discredited yourself by doing that.

But as we can see in the interview what York really said is that he never saw Lizz in person and never talked to her since he left Bewitched.

The fact that Lizz didn't return York's call, and didn't comment his death it proves she wanted nothing to do with him. She commented Sargent's death, and his death was only two years after York's. Lizz and York weren't friends, she didn't like him and she had her reasons for that, now deal with it.

Monliz
03-05-2020, 09:08 AM
Thank you tcr1701. I listened to it all the time in college. It was so good to hear them speak again. EM had no animosity toward DY at all in the interview. She was very kind to him. He was dying and she knew it.

That interview never happened, maybe it happened in your dreams, but in the real world it never happened.

Lizz always praised Sargent while she never talked about York in interviews, she never mentioned him, she didn't return York's call when he called her in the later years of his life, and she didn't comment York's death while she did comment Sargent's death.

The real facts show you that Lizz wanted nothing to do with York, and I totally understand her after the things York has done to her during Bewitched.

Also producers of Bewitched have said that Lizz didn't like York and they weren't friends. So there's nothing more to say, the interview where Lizz and York talked to each other is just fiction, maybe you dreamed about it, but that doesn't mean it happened in real life.

tcr1701
03-05-2020, 09:09 AM
Don't start deflecting now, you paragraphed York's words but you changed the question the interviewer made to him, and then you twisted the whole thing to make it look like York said he talked to Elizabeth Montgomery. You discredited yourself by doing that.

But as we can see in the interview what York really said is that he never saw Lizz in person and never talked to her since he left Bewitched.

The fact that Lizz didn't return York's call, and didn't comment his death it proves she wanted nothing to do with him. She commented Sargent's death, and Sargent's death was only two years after York's. Now deal with it.

Interesting....every time someone posts something you turn it back on them when it doesn't fit your world views/opinions. Suspiciously, just like "Larry Tate" does here. You do not argue for reason, you simply argue...interesting...

Willbo
03-05-2020, 09:17 AM
That interview never happened, maybe it happened in your dreams, but in the real world it never happened.

Lizz always praised Sargent while she never talked about York in interview, she never mentioned him, she didn't return York's call when he called her in the later years of his life, and she didn't comment York's death while she did comment Sargent's death.

The real facts show you that Lizz wanted nothing to do with York, and I totally understand her after the things York has done to her during Bewitched.

Also producers and crew members of Bewitched have said that Lizz didn't like York and they weren't friends. So there's nothing more to say, the interview where Lizz and York talked to each other is just fiction, maybe you dreamed about it, but that doesn't mean it happened in real life.
Not sure why you insist on bullying and berating people who have other ideas or opinions. You have no clue what you are talking about. The way you portray EM is that she is cold and uncaring. They may have not been best friends but she did care for him as was shown in her radio conversation with DY. I am starting to think you dislike EM as much as you dislike DY. All you go on is here say of what you have read or heard. There are no facts.

Monliz
03-05-2020, 09:36 AM
ĪNot sure why you insist on bullying and berating people who have other ideas or opinions. You have no clue what you are talking about. The way you portray EM is that she is cold and uncaring. They may have not been best friends but she did care for him as was shown in her radio conversation with DY. I am starting to think you dislike EM as much as you dislike DY. All you go on is here say of what you have read or heard. There are no facts.

Lizz was a lovely person and down the earth according to every one who worked with her.

According to producers of Bewitched Lizz didn't like York because he was in love with her and made her feel uncomfortable with his inmature behavior, he also tried to put himself as the star of the show .

So why would Lizz be a caring person to York after those things he did? Lizz did what every other person would have done in her place, which is staying away from York and not have any contact with him

You want to make it look like they were good friends because you don't want to accept that York acted like a cretin towards her.

Monliz
03-05-2020, 09:42 AM
Interesting....every time someone posts something you turn it back on them when it doesn't fit your world views/opinions. Suspiciously, just like "Larry Tate" does here. You do not argue for reason, you simply argue...interesting...

And you're deflecting again , you know you discredited yourself when you twisted the whole thing to promote your agenda. You lost credibility

As of now I'm done debating with you, you have no arguments to continue this debate, that's why you keep deflecting over and over, you lost. Bye

tcr1701
03-05-2020, 11:40 AM
And you're deflecting again , you know you discredited yourself when you twisted the whole thing to promote your agenda. You lost credibility

As of now I'm done debating with you, you have no arguments to continue this debate, that's why you keep deflecting over and over, you lost. Bye

Bye, Larry...I mean Monliz.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:25 PM
Thankfully i am not apart of your delusional fantasy where you imagine what you wish had been the case was the case even though it was not the case.

Ask any Bewitched or Liz expert such as Herbis J Pilato, Mark Simpson or Vic's Page and they will laugh at you.

It never happened, Liz never spoke to or had any interaction with Dick York ever again after he collapsed, deal with it.

You are in need of a help and a psychological intervention.

Oh i see your now stalking me as well.
Look the truth doesn't change so my posts will always be the same because they are based on facts and the truth.

Your existence is fake news.

You have no clue about Tom Snyder. You are just upset you did not know about it. I have always admired Eliaxabeth Montgomery. She is Bewitched. You have a sick sence of who she was. I found some threads from 2011 on this board. You were spewing the same lies back then. Your fake news has been going on for way to long.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:27 PM
Bye tcr1701 oh i mean willbo, you and your toxic poisonous trolling are dismissed with permanence.:wave::wave::lol::lol:

Bye, Larry...I mean Monliz.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:39 PM
Your a fool, caught up in some twisted infatuation with York, telling the truth and having the courage to stick to it when one is being bullied by the likes of you is simply having the courage of your convictions.

Because Liz behaved in a normal rational way towards some one she detested and rightfully so is normal and natural & anything but cold or uncaring, a paradigm you attempt to create to give credibility to your sick twisted infatuation with York.

The radio conversation never happened, she did not care for him or even like him, deal with it.

You have no facts other then your delusion.

Why don't you go home and play with your Dick York blow up doll, i am sure he...it...er....whatever means the world to you!!!!!!! :happyface:happyface:lol::lol::wave:


Not sure why you insist on bullying and berating people who have other ideas or opinions. You have no clue what you are talking about. The way you portray EM is that she is cold and uncaring. They may have not been best friends but she did care for him as was shown in her radio conversation with DY. I am starting to think you dislike EM as much as you dislike DY. All you go on is here say of what you have read or heard. There are no facts.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:44 PM
She states to the facts and the truth and sticks to her guns, all you are is a poisonous, toxic, argumentative, deflecting , obfuscating Troll.

She is simply calling you out for what you are and throws it back in your face.

Oh by the way tcr1701.....willbo.......... you are still a liar.

Interesting....every time someone posts something you turn it back on them when it doesn't fit your world views/opinions. Suspiciously, just like "Larry Tate" does here. You do not argue for reason, you simply argue...interesting...

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:48 PM
So what????
More convenient omissions, in an interview only a few months before he died York admitted he he had tried to contact Liz with no success and had not had any contact with her since Bewitched, Liz has said this before as had York's wife.

Yes only one person you in all your personalities are the liar on this board.

Again you lie, he never said in any of those interviews that he had any contact with Liz after Bewitched.

More Fake News!!!!

Tom Snyder hosted various radio shows from 1987 to 1999:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Snyder#Radio

The interview you reference was "Inside Edition" with Bill O'Reilly (I mis-remembered it as Entertainment Tonight) From 1989. York died in 1992 so there were a few years he could have done Snyder's radio show with Lizz (as you spell it) AFTER he said he had not SEEN or SPOKEN to her since he left Bewitched.

I was paraphrasing York's comments. You can see the whole interview on Bewitched.net ("Dick York Interview 1 - part 2 of 2" specifically):

http://www.bewitched.net/filmfax.htm

There's only one person on this board who deliberately posts falsehoods to "spin things."

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:50 PM
Your full of it and a liar and are tcr1701, next you will say they are actually doing it on the radio show, that is probably what you are really going for.

Have fun wigth your blow up York doll.

Thank you tcr1701. I listened to it all the time in college. It was so good to hear them speak again. EM had no animosity toward DY at all in the interview. She was very kind to him. He was dying and she knew it.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:53 PM
The ratings were published weekly and for years as well seen on ET every week.

Where have you been?, hiding in a cave?
Again your deflecting and obfuscating.
That is what is understood!!

Ah, so you don't have any records of weekly ratings from 1969 either. Understood.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 12:56 PM
He stated as others do in both the ET and E True Hollywood story specials clearly and with specificity that he and Liz interviewed Dick Sargent and offered him the job as Darrin and only when he turned them down did there restarted search lead to DY.

Bill Asher states at the 10 minute 40 second mark that Dick Sargent was "runner up" to Dick York in casting Darrin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=hCIqwBMLx38&feature=emb_logo

He also sates that Dick York was "infinitely better."

tcr1701
03-05-2020, 12:56 PM
She states to the facts and the truth and sticks to her guns, all you are is a poisonous, toxic, argumentative, deflecting , obfuscating Troll.

She is simply calling you out for what you are and throws it back in your face.

Oh by the way tcr1701.....willbo.......... you are still a liar.

Whoa...you just turned that back around on me...just like Monliz does...what a strange coincidence. Of course, my original comment was a typo. I would never accuse anyone of anything untoward...But it is nice to see you use the word "obfuscating" over and over that I taught you. I like a varied vocabulary in a person. Or persons.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 01:00 PM
Look tcr1701/Willbo there is no assumption only fact and truth and you obviously have not been in contact with either for quite some time, the only thing you have been in contact with is your Dick York blow up doll!!!!!

You clearly have a delusional agenda as well as being a psychotic liar.

It was a radio program. Monliz/Larry Tate you make these outlandish assumptions and cannot back then up. EM and DY did speak on the radio show. I do not have an agenda and do not have to lie to get attention. You two or one have uttered total fabrications and lies for years on here.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 01:01 PM
Your a blatant troll and liar, but cheer up maybe willbo will share his blow up doll with you, he, it ,er......you.


I have heard of this interview with Dick and Liz as well. I wish is still existed. York was asked on Entertainment Tonight if he ever spoke to Elizabeth again after his last day on the set and he replied "not in person." He didn't elaborate but may have meant this interview.

tcr1701
03-05-2020, 01:01 PM
The ratings were published weekly and for years as well seen on ET every week.

Where have you been?, hiding in a cave?
Again your deflecting and obfuscating.
That is what is understood!!

ET? Entertainment Tonight? I am pretty sure that wasn't in in 1969.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Tonight#History

In its early years from its 1981 inception, Entertainment Tonight – following a local newscast-style format – consisted primarily of coverage of the latest movies, music and television releases and projects.


You have used "obfuscate" quite a few time in response to me. Which is nice. I like a good multi-syllable word. But maybe it's time for a new word.

Synonyms for obfuscate

baffle
becloud
befuddle
bewilder
cloud
complicate
conceal
confound
darken
fog
fuddle
muddle
obscure
perplex
puzzle
rattle

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 01:06 PM
I didn't say ET was around in 1969, what i did say was that media have published these facts for decades even before Bewitched, ET did as commonly as American bandstand with for the top 10 music hits.

tcr1701
03-05-2020, 01:07 PM
Look tcr1701/Willbo

Ah, I see what you did there...accused us of being the same person. I wonder where you got that idea... Anyway, the mods here are free to check my IP address compared to Wilbo's. I post from home and/or the office which IPs are always the same. Can you make the same offer...

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 01:51 PM
No just reacting to your having turned it back on me just like willbo does.

Your not capable of teaching anything to anyone, i guess that is the salient and over riding point in all of this here.

I’m jealous of all the people that haven’t met you.

I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.

I’d agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong.

Whoa...you just turned that back around on me...just like Monliz does...what a strange coincidence. Of course, my original comment was a typo. I would never accuse anyone of anything untoward...But it is nice to see you use the word "obfuscating" over and over that I taught you. I like a varied vocabulary in a person. Or persons.

Larry Tate
03-05-2020, 01:54 PM
Because you are and i am not.
If they can check yours then they can check anyone's with or without permission.
Of course even you are not dumb enough to use the same computer.

Your lies about me and her are still lies and always will be lies because you are a liar!!

Ah, I see what you did there...accused us of being the same person. I wonder where you got that idea... Anyway, the mods here are free to check my IP address compared to Wilbo's. I post from home and/or the office which IPs are always the same. Can you make the same offer...

Monliz
03-08-2020, 01:20 PM
You have no clue about Tom Snyder. You are just upset you did not know about it. I have always admired Eliaxabeth Montgomery. She is Bewitched. You have a sick sence of who she was. I found some threads from 2011 on this board. You were spewing the same lies back then. Your fake news has been going on for way to long.

You can stop lying now pal.

That interview with Tom Snyder never happened, ask your friend "tcr1701", according to him Tom offered her to do a reunion interview with Dick York, but she refused.

https://i.gyazo.com/ac52e6aa16cc4165df88772e9002ff29.png

Thanks again tcr1701 :lol::lol::)

Willbo
03-08-2020, 02:57 PM
He had a TV show also. This was the radio show. I even tried to call in but could not get through. Before you all were denying anything about Tom Snyder. Now you are saying he tried and Liz refused. My how the denial has changed.

Monliz
03-08-2020, 03:10 PM
He had a TV show also. This was the radio show. I even tried to call in but could not get through. Before you all were denying anything about Tom Snyder. Now you are saying he tried and Liz refused. My how the denial has changed.

It's your friend "tcr1701" who said it, not us, so talk to him.

But the point is that even your friend says that interview never happened.

Did you notice that what I posted is a picture of a comment tcr1701 did?

tcr1701
03-08-2020, 03:32 PM
You can stop lying now pal.

That interview with Tom Snyder never happened, ask your friend "tcr1701", according to him Tom offered her to do a reunion interview with Dick York, but she refused.

https://i.gyazo.com/ac52e6aa16cc4165df88772e9002ff29.png

Thanks again tcr1701 :lol::lol::)

Let me clarify yet AGAIN....the rumor many years ago was that Liz didn't want to do a filmed interview on air because she hated those (and NOT a phone call). I did not hear the radio show interview so I don't know.The rumor about the filmed episode, as I recall, came from Herbie Pilato. I wrote about what was posted on the Harpies Bizarre board from Herbie and several others.

There was a time in the late 80/early 90s when York did several radio interviews. I have one on CD from Ebay and he talks a lot about Bewitched on there. I can dig that out and get more quotes. I said I had heard about and on-air talk between Dick and Liz - maybe just from posts here - I never said I heard it too. I said I wish I had.

I have heard Snyder had a radio show - but not any of them. If there was one with Dick and Liz I missed it. It's been 8 years since I had that information.

If you look at the date on that it was 2012 - we've had more documentation and interviews since then. I am MORE THAN HAPPY to have new facts correct old incorrect ones I had almost a decade ago.

Please keep posting genuine correct documentation. I am curious about the history of Bewitched no matter where it leads.

Larry Tate
03-08-2020, 03:32 PM
Yeah you tried to call in vie the Twilight Zone, you are nuts as well as delusional.

You are saying they appeared together on this talk show which is pure made up fiction.

Even your Dodo friend said she was asked and turned it down, even he admits this.

He had a TV show also. This was the radio show. I even tried to call in but could not get through. Before you all were denying anything about Tom Snyder. Now you are saying he tried and Liz refused. My how the denial has changed.

Larry Tate
03-08-2020, 03:36 PM
So he talked about Bewitched, big deal, that does not constitute he and Liz appearing on one together which is the lie your other personality is trying to perpetrate.


Let me clarify yet AGAIN....the rumor many years ago was that Liz didn't want to do a filmed interview on air because she hated those (and NOT a phone call). I did not hear the radio show interview so I don't know.The rumor about the filmed episode, as I recall, came from Herbie Pilato. I wrote about what was posted on the Harpies Bizarre board from Herbie and several others.

There was a time in the late 80/early 90s when York did several radio interviews. I have one on CD from Ebay and he talks a lot about Bewitched on there. I can dig that out and get more quotes. I said I had heard about and on-air talk between Dick and Liz - maybe just from posts here - I never said I heard it too. I said I wish I had.

I have heard Snyder had a radio show - but not any of them. If there was one with Dick and Liz I missed it.

Willbo
03-08-2020, 03:42 PM
Once again you both have misquoted tcr. He never said it did not happen and that he heard about it.

Larry Tate
03-09-2020, 09:33 PM
This is what tcr said " I said I had heard about and on-air talk between Dick and Liz - maybe just from posts here - I never said I heard it too. I said I wish I had."
That is not saying he heard about the so called but never took place reunion with York and Liz on the TS talk show, where he heard about it was in your made up fake news posts here.

Once again you both have misquoted tcr. He never said it did not happen and that he heard about it.

Monliz
05-07-2020, 12:57 PM
Herbie Pilato said that Liz and her good friend Dick Sargent hadn't see or spoken with each each other in many years until he began writing his Bewitched book. Then they did one gay pride parade together, but that seems about it.


Liz always talked about how Sargent and herself are good friends.

In an interview with Pilato, Sargent said he and Liz were in touch by telephone and even having dinners together.

https://www.harpiesbizarre.com/sargent_interview.htm


Besides, the gay parade wasn't about it. Liz and Sargent did public campaigns together to support AIDS victims.

So you're wrong once again.

Schmoe56789
05-15-2020, 11:14 PM
The ratings were published weekly and for years as well seen on ET every week.

Where have you been?, hiding in a cave?
Again your deflecting and obfuscating.
That is what is understood!!

Has anyone seen these compiled? I've been able to find some biweekly ratings from the first season in Variety, but the later seasons have proven much more difficult to locate. I'm still curious what season seven's final ratings placement was, since it was beyond the top 25. Season eight was #72 (of 78 shows).