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All of this information has been discussed in other threads about the case.

Every single piece of information I provided has been discussed all in one place? Because I have yet to see Larry Race's name in the same sentence as domestic violence.

Because I have yet to see Larry Race's name in the same sentence as domestic violence.

Welcome to the board! :wave:

When people here said they firmly believe Larry killed his wife, I'm pretty sure that qualifies as domestic violence.

Your synopsis is cool and all, but like Cars said all of these points have been posted here before in other threads on Larry Race. Some still think he is innocent, many are on the fence, and many think he is guilty because of the holes in his story (no pun intended).

I guess I wasn't aware that a full breakdown of a case in one concise place with the exact clarification that this case is domestic violence, would be so unwelcome on a message board about cases. My bad.

I guess I wasn't aware that a full breakdown of a case in one concise place with the exact clarification that this case is domestic violence, would be so unwelcome on a message board about cases. My bad.

Despite Larry having multiple affairs on his wife, there has yet to be any information about this case involving domestic violence.

Okay except for the evidence of emotional abuse & the fact that multiple affairs are abuse. This was an escalation of domestic violence.

Okay except for the evidence of emotional abuse

There is no evidence of that.

the fact that multiple affairs are abuse.

Equating affairs to domestic violence is absolutely absurd.

The fact that you're getting so obviously upset at the suggestion that a man killed his wife because he escalated his violence against her makes me think you have no actual understanding of the dynamics of domestic violence.
Nonconsensually cheating over & over on your partner is abusive. Your personal issues with it are not my issue.

If I need to list my qualifications I will. But you clearly do not have the range for this conversation.

If anyone is actually interested in learning about domestic violence & how abusers use infidelity to abuse their partners, check out this website on domestic violence:

https://breakthesilencedv.org/is-cheating-abusive-what-cheating-looks-like-when-its-used-for-control/

Some key points:

If your partner strayed and you’re not sure if it’s an abusive tactic, then here are questions to consider:

• Does your partner call you derogatory names?
• Does your partner cheat on you and then insult you about your appearance, weight, or other physical factors?
• Does your partner regularly cheat on you and blame you as the reason causing their behavior?

The fact that you're getting so obviously upset at the suggestion that a man killed his wife because he escalated his violence against her makes me think you have no actual understanding of the dynamics of domestic violence.
Nonconsensually cheating over & over on your partner is abusive. Your personal issues with it are not my issue.

If I need to list my qualifications I will. But you clearly do not have the range for this conversation.

Larry was a total a-hole and he was a scumbag for how he continued to cheat on his wife and talk poorly about her. He should have worked on their issues or simply left her and got a divorce. But he didn't.

I think he killed his wife because I think the evidence shows that. However, I don't think the evidence shows that he was ever physically abusive to her before this. I'm not discounting neglect or possible mental abuse, however there is nothing to show this was an escalation of physical violence.

If you have qualifications in this area, great -- I'd be happy to hear about them. At the end of the day, I don't think it matters if it was escalating or not if he killed her. Domestic abuse is horrible and is far too common. There are many examples of it on UM and most are way more clear cut than this.

This board is here to discuss the UM cases and theories and opinions on them. Honest question: are you here to discuss cases, or are you here to push an agenda for your Twitter page/podcast? We're always happy to have new people here to discuss UM cases but you seem to have an agenda here on domestic violence. That is just an honest observation based on your posts. That is a noble cause but I'm not sure how it relates to what is discussed here or how it is applied in this case.

Cheers. ;)

The reason I mentioned my twitter account was to explain why I was doing all of this research on a supposedly random case & to invite people who share a similar interest to join me.

I never said he was physically abusive, I said there is evidence of mental abuse. Any kind of abuse can escalate to physical violence, regardless if there was any physical abuse to begin with.

How is the motive of domestic violence not relevant to this case? How is pointing out cases of domestic violence "having an agenda"?

I'm honestly baffled by the pushback on this.

Honest question: are you here to discuss cases, or are you here to push an agenda for your Twitter page/podcast?

I think it's the latter.

I know it's not part of Unsolved Mysteries, but every once in awhile I stumble across something that mentions Aileen Wuornos & it makes me itch to write something defending her.

^ Real tweet from that account. Several other real winners.

But you clearly do not have the range for this conversation.

Can I increase my range by repeatedly blaming white men as being "dangerous" and advocating for them to be profiled?

Can I increase my range by repeatedly blaming white men as being "dangerous" and advocating for them to be profiled?

Wow you're that uncomfortable with this topic dude? That's my twitter account, I didn't bring any of that over here. You did.
Nothing you're saying is negating any evidence I have brought up. I'm done engaging with you.

That's my twitter account, I didn't bring any of that over here. You did.

Uhh...

If you are interested in reading more about UM cases updated to include information about domestic violence, feel free to follow me on Twitter, my handle is @TheHubbyDidIt. I'll be coming out with a podcast soon, as well.

Can't wait to hear the episode about how Mark Groezinger had it coming!

Uhh...



Can't wait to hear the episode about how Mark Groezinger had it coming!

Dude are you capable of critical thinking? You're literally harassing me now. I posted my twitter name, YOU are the creep who went to my twitter & quoted my tweets here. What is wrong with you?

Dude are you capable of critical thinking? You're literally harassing me now. I posted my twitter name, YOU are the creep who went to my twitter & quoted my tweets here. What is wrong with you?

Hey Moderator, how is this okay? How is harassing me & willfully misrepresenting what I'm saying okay for this man to do to me because I brought up domestic violence? This is absolutely ridiculous.

I answered your insincere question about my twitter account, followed up my assertion with evidence & offers of expertise, & yet I'm still being criticized? What is this hellhole.

I hope you all realize when you've chased me off of here, you chased me off for BRINGING UP DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

What is wrong with you all?

......I go to the Verizon store to get a new phone to replace the one that bricked and I come back to THIS?!? Just wait until Mom gets home!

Oh wait. Except I am “Mom.”

Quabbityashwoods— Welcome! We’re happy to have you here. You’ll find that we’re a pretty fun group who enjoy discussing cases in a respectful manner. Sure, we disagree frequently, but as long as everyone is civil we won’t have any problems. I look forward to hearing your input on cases.

Signed, The Friendly Neighborhood Moderator who is a prosecutor, extremely well-versed in issues surrounding domestic violence, and still thinks Larry Race is innocent

No one is telling you to leave. However, there’s nothing in the rules that says we’re not allowed to challenge the opinions of others. I know this bunch well. I may be the mod, but I still get challenged. :)

No one is telling you to leave. However, there’s nothing in the rules that says we’re not allowed to challenge the opinions of others. I know this bunch well. I may be the mod, but I still get challenged. :)

At no point have I been genuinely challenged. A difference of opinion is not the issue here, it's the way it is occurring.

At no point have I been genuinely challenged. A difference of opinion is not the issue here, it's the way it is occurring.

Signed a twice certified domestic & sexual violence victim advocate for over 7 years with a law degree focused on family law & DV. :) :) :) :)

Signed a twice certified domestic & sexual violence victim advocate for over 7 years with a law degree focused on family law & DV. :) :) :) :)

You, too? Samesies. I’ve been an attorney for 12 years, though.

Again, I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Cheating can certainly be considered emotional abuse. To berate someone for thinking so is rather petty and disingenuous. No its not domestic violence but emotionally abusive is not a stretch.

As for people supporting him, they just are fooled into believing he was not guilty. Watching the guy's interview he came off as soft spoken and rather mild mannered. He's probably a natural at deceiving people. It takes a certain personality type to see through that. They believe he is innocent. Whether or not he is, who knows. The case and evidence were complicated. Probably will never know for sure.

followed up my assertion with evidence

I'm waiting for you to provide evidence of the Race case involving domestic violence. Because all you've done so far is post a verbatim recap of one of Race's appeals. Which has already been posted here in another thread and discussed at length. No amount of hyperbole will change the fact that you have yet to provide any new information other than your opinion.

Cheating can certainly be considered emotional abuse. To berate someone for thinking so is rather petty and disingenuous

I think Larry is guilty as sin and hold him in the same disdain that I hold for people like Mark Nichols. But, unlike Nichols, there is no evidence of domestic violence in the Race case. And you don't need to misrepresent what happened to get that point across that you think he's guilty. I think it's petty and disingenuous to legitimately equate having an affair to domestic violence. Signed, a male who has witnessed both.

One thing I’ve always loved about these boards is that we have folks coming in from all walks of life. We all have different educations and life experiences which lend itself to shaping our various opinions on these cases... and everyone’s opinion is valid.

I totally forgot that I was in the minority on the Race case. I never thought the timeline held up and I know I’ve debated this topic with others over the years. Y’all have made some compelling arguments for why you believe Race is guilty. I’m still not totally convinced, but I look forward to friendly and civil debate about it...

I totally forgot that I was in the minority on the Race case. I never thought the timeline held up and I know I’ve debated this topic with others over the years. Y’all have made some compelling arguments for why you believe Race is guilty. I’m still not totally convinced, but I look forward to friendly and civil debate about it...

The more I thought about this case over the years, and the more I read, the more obvious it came to me that Larry was guilty. He flat out lied at least a couple of times in his testimony. Why would a totally innocent man lie like that? Yes, I realize this happens but in this case it was about things that make Larry look guilty and could be substantiated. I'm not sure why he didn't just stick to his story in that case.

The physical evidence (especially the water in the raft chambers) pretty much seals it in my mind. His version of events just don't match up with the evidence on the boat, not to mention all the other stuff.

Re: this Debbie Race/Larry Race segment (S04), very disturbing. I wonder if we'll ever know exactly what happened here.

I am always weary on the cases where a person himself risks his own life to kill someone. Larry may have had a scuba gear on the boat, but that water is cold in Lake Superior, especially at night time and also in May. Debbie's parents thought he was innocent. It is one thing if your own parents think this way, but your in laws and the parents of your wife who you are accused of killing? I found that to be a plus for him. Not saying the parents can't be duped as well, but I am just saying it holds a bit more water than if it were his own parents.

Thank you for bumping this thread. It gave me a good chuckle.

One thing I’ve always loved about these boards is that we have folks coming in from all walks of life. We all have different educations and life experiences which lend itself to shaping our various opinions on these cases... and everyone’s opinion is valid.

I totally forgot that I was in the minority on the Race case. I never thought the timeline held up and I know I’ve debated this topic with others over the years. Y’all have made some compelling arguments for why you believe Race is guilty. I’m still not totally convinced, but I look forward to friendly and civil debate about it...

I also lean towards him being not guility, although I can't totally say he's innocent based on the evidence I've seen. At the very least, he shouldn't have been convicted with the evidence presented at his trial.

I need more for me to be certain of his guilt or innocence, but I totally understand why folks find him guilty.

As a female who had a father who had affairs, there were NO domestic violence going on. They are not the same thing. Disagree w/ me all you want. Did Larry Race like his wife? Probably not, but there's no evidence he physically assaulted her.

......I go to the Verizon store to get a new phone to replace the one that bricked and I come back to THIS?!? Just wait until Mom gets home!

Oh wait. Except I am “Mom.”

Quabbityashwoods— Welcome! We’re happy to have you here. You’ll find that we’re a pretty fun group who enjoy discussing cases in a respectful manner. Sure, we disagree frequently, but as long as everyone is civil we won’t have any problems. I look forward to hearing your input on cases.

Signed, The Friendly Neighborhood Moderator who is a prosecutor, extremely well-versed in issues surrounding domestic violence, and still thinks Larry Race is innocent

just came across this thread after a bump...I just wanna say I wish I could thumbs up this post or give you points. You've got me laughing at a post on the Unsolved Mysteries forum; very hard to do. :rofl: