The Facts Of Facts: The Only Facts Of Life Podcast! [Archive] - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

RetroGuy2000

01-13-2019, 01:48 PM

Hey guys,

We heard your comments and we recorded a podcast for the Dif’rent Strokes FOL backdoor pilot “The Girls School.” I tried to be kinder to Julie Ann. I hope you enjoy. Season 2 will launch in February!

Dominik

Wow! A shout-out to this board from the podcast folks! I definitely did NOT expect you guys would record a FOF Podcast for "The Girls' School" just because we mentioned it here on our little board.

That was very cool, and I can't believe you guys went to all that trouble. Plus, poor Britt was forced to watch another episode of a show she's clearly only reviewing as a favor to Dominik. I feel a bit guilty, now! Sorry to put you guys through that! :lol:

As usual, there were many good zingers in this bonus episode. I like that Dominik and Britt explored the insanity of headmaster Harold J. Crocker (Believe it or not, the original script (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/group.php?groupid=1) for the episode was even more bizarre). Bonus points for discussing Jennifer, Laura, and Leon, three characters that we'd never see again, nor ever even be mentioned again.

I also feel a bit guilty now for suggesting Dominik rein in his Sue Ann hatred. You can tell Dominik still wants to go after her, and he's going to need to go after her in Season Two after what she does in "Gossip" and "Sex Symbol", so I guess I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.

Oddly, even after watching a full season of The Facts of Life, Dominik still confuses Julie Anne and Julie Pie in this podcast, mentioning he's pulling his punches because of the "Julie Anne Haddock... Piekarski fans." :confused: Julie Anne Haddock wasn't even in this episode, only Julie "Pie" Piekarski.

Still, I adored getting this bonus episode, and definitely never expected our comments here on Sitcoms Online to result in another podcast review. Bravo, FOF Podcast people!

And hopefully, this final episode wasn't a sign of things to come, with its reduced two-person cast. I like getting more perspectives from the other (guest) podcasters, even though they get fewer lines and often get "Nancied"!

Dominik500

01-13-2019, 07:33 PM

Oh don’t worry, we’ve got PLENTY of great guests lined up for season 2. Though I will warn you the season 2 premiere 2-part episode is covered by just me and Britt. We had a lot to cover so I wanted to keep it simple. Season 2 is gonna be fun!

Dominik

RetroGuy2000

01-13-2019, 09:11 PM

Well, then, I look forward to it!

'80sSitcoms

01-14-2019, 02:10 AM

It'd be funny if members of this board were guests via phone, haha.

'80sSitcoms

01-14-2019, 02:10 AM

And, of course, any of the actresses!

Lorimar Television

01-14-2019, 02:24 AM

Wow this is so great! Im impressed you guys went to the trouble of reviewing the DS ep! I wasn't sure if you still read the message board, we'd love to hear from you sometime! I will listen to to it soon, and thanks for taking notes of the Sue Ann fans. :wave::lol:

'80sSitcoms

01-14-2019, 02:26 AM

And guys, if you're curious, there's a "Diff'rent Strokes" season 2 episode called "The Slumber Party" that features Kimberly with her friends Cindy, Molly, Natalie, and Tootie, and a season 3 episode called, I think, "The Boyfriend", which features a cameo by Blair in the opening scene, along with Natalie in the first few scenes. And, Tootie shows up "replacing" Arnold in several episodes after that, maybe in seasons 3 and/or 4?

RetroGuy2000

01-14-2019, 02:30 AM

And, of course, any of the actresses!

That'd be awesome, and I bet Julie Pie would do it in a heartbeat (and she's easily accessible on social media), but she doesn't live in the LA area where I assume these guys are recording their podcasts. Julie Anne lives in the LA area, but I think she's retired from the industry. My understanding is that Felice lives in NYC and Lisa lives in Dallas, so not sure how that would work.

RetroGuy2000

01-14-2019, 02:34 AM

Wow this is so great! Im impressed you guys went to the trouble of reviewing the DS ep!

I know, right? How often is it that any media production actually takes note of listener comments?

I wasn't sure if you still read the message board, we'd love to hear from you sometime! I will listen to to it soon, and thanks for taking notes of the Sue Ann fans. :wave::lol:

That episode is definitely worth a listen, just for the shout-out to Sitcoms Online. :happyface

Lorimar Television

01-14-2019, 02:47 AM

I know, right? How often is it that any media production actually takes note of listener comments?

That episode is definitely worth a listen, just for the shout-out to Sitcoms Online. :happyface

Very true, awesome to see them caring about their audience. I will def listen!

'80sSitcoms

01-14-2019, 10:48 AM

^---"live via phone", my friend! :)

Felice would definitely know how to do that! :lol:

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Lorimar Television

01-14-2019, 04:26 PM

^---"live via phone", my friend! :)

Felice would definitely know how to do that! :lol:

phone:

LOL she definitely has the skills

RetroGuy2000

01-14-2019, 10:00 PM

:rotflmao:It's true!

Lorimar Television

01-14-2019, 10:29 PM

:rotflmao:It's true!

Lorimar Television

01-15-2019, 04:50 AM

I’m listening now. Thanks Domenick for not saying Sue Ann was a donkey. :lol:

Lorimar Television

01-15-2019, 05:21 PM

Brit had an interesting theory that Leon became one of the frogs they mention dissecting in season 1.

'80sSitcoms

01-15-2019, 05:46 PM

It's true Leon could have been in Tootie's possession and ended up not having moved for 8 days. But in my fan universe, Leon will always be with Laura on campus! :nod:

RetroGuy2000

01-15-2019, 10:28 PM

Brit had an interesting theory that Leon became one of the frogs they mention dissecting in season 1.

Sure hope not! That would be a sad end to Leon Laurasfrog. omg:

Lorimar Television

01-16-2019, 01:35 AM

Sure hope not! That would be a sad end to Leon Laurasfrog. omg:

Haha sure would. Maybe he was the frog in the blender joke Nat told Steve

RetroGuy2000

01-16-2019, 11:03 PM

Haha sure would. Maybe he was the frog in the blender joke Nat told Steve
:lol:

Lorimar Television

02-20-2019, 12:29 AM

Their podcast on the season 2 premiere is out

Heenan Fan

02-20-2019, 02:01 AM

There were TWO television shows in the same decade called "Mulligan's Stew"?? :rotflmao:

There were TWO television shows in the same decade called "Mulligans Stew" and neither starred Blackjack Mulligan or his boys? The guy who got Grandma off the couch and drew so much heat he was stabbed by a spectator?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bostongardenbalcony.wordpress.com/2016/04/12/blackjack-mulligan-known-for-an-infamous-assault-by-fan-at-boston-garden-has-died/amp/

Lorimar Television

02-20-2019, 06:40 PM

The podcast mentioned that Tootie says "We are in troubllllle" toward the end of part 1. I feel like we forgot about that. We only mentioned her saying it in Gossip.

'80sSitcoms

02-20-2019, 06:41 PM

The podcast mentioned that Tootie says "We are in troubllllle" toward the end of part 1. I feel like we forgot about that. We only mentioned her saying it in Gossip.

I think she says it in season 2 again, too! I remember during my binging I was like, "Whoa! They cut that out in syndication! :eek: "

And Lorsie, be sure and report whatever they say about our Molly!

Lorimar Television

02-20-2019, 07:01 PM

I think she says it in season 2 again, too! I remember during my binging I was like, "Whoa! They cut that out in syndication! :eek: "

And Lorsie, be sure and report whatever they say about our Molly!

Oh they said that she acted like she didn't wanna be there, read her lines really annoyed like "I know Im not in the intro anymore, why am I here?"

'80sSitcoms

02-20-2019, 09:45 PM

Oh they said that she acted like she didn't wanna be there, read her lines really annoyed like "I know Im not in the intro anymore, why am I here?"
Really, pod-guys? Come on. :rolleyes:

Well, then, what did they say about the absence of Cindy, Sue Ann, and Nancy?? And the addition of Howard?? And the entire changing of the location and sets??

Lorimar Television

02-20-2019, 11:57 PM

Really, pod-guys? Come on. :rolleyes:

Well, then, what did they say about the absence of Cindy, Sue Ann, and Nancy?? And the addition of Howard?? And the entire changing of the location and sets??

That they were surprised they don’t address the lost girls. They mention Nancy by name Dominick loves her and wants to do a book about her, they mention some of the fat jokes told about Sue Ann and how Jo is more easy to attack than the anorexic girl. They thought the sets improved dramatically AND they even left Eastland for the bar set. They think Howard’s awful and sexist but Atleast he’s not on long like Mr Bradley.

RetroGuy2000

02-21-2019, 12:14 AM

Their podcast on the season 2 premiere is out
Thanks for the heads-up, Lorimar! I listened to half the first episode tonight, and will listen to the rest of it tonight.

Lorimar Television

02-21-2019, 12:42 AM

Thanks for the heads-up, Lorimar! I listened to half the first episode tonight, and will listen to the rest of it tonight.
Did you mean to say tonight twice? :lol:

'80sSitcoms

02-21-2019, 12:44 AM

They mention Nancy by name Dominick loves her and wants to do a book about her

Haha, why a book on Nancy, of all the Lost Girls? :lol: Maybe he's fascinated by the obvious exclusion of her character, lol.

They think Howard’s awful and sexist but Atleast he’s not on long like Mr Bradley.

Oh please pod-guys, he had one sexist line. :rolleyes: And it's clear he's joking. He's really a sweet guy. Maybe they'll actually realize that in future shows. After all, Mrs. Garrett would not date someone who actually was sexist! She would tell him to:

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Lorimar Television

02-21-2019, 01:03 AM

Haha, why a book on Nancy, of all the Lost Girls? :lol: Maybe he's fascinated by the obvious exclusion of her character, lol.

Oh please pod-guys, he had one sexist line. :rolleyes: And it's clear he's joking. He's really a sweet guy. Maybe they'll actually realize that in future shows. After all, Mrs. Garrett would not date someone who actually was sexist! She would tell him to:

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:brent

Yeah thats a very good point. Though if Molly heard his joke Im sure he would've never heard the end of it. She'd be writing songs about him for eternity.

RetroGuy2000

02-21-2019, 01:31 AM

Haha, why a book on Nancy, of all the Lost Girls? :lol: Maybe he's fascinated by the obvious exclusion of her character, lol.

Yep: he's been fascinated by her exclusion. I do like when Dominick mentions Nancy being Nancied, and when Britt does her Mrs. Garrett impressions.

Oh please pod-guys, he had one sexist line. :rolleyes: And it's clear he's joking. He's really a sweet guy. Maybe they'll actually realize that in future shows. After all, Mrs. Garrett would not date someone who actually was sexist!

I agree.

'80sSitcoms

02-21-2019, 01:36 AM

Yeah thats a very good point.

:thanks:

Though if Molly heard his joke Im sure he would've never heard the end of it.

Hahaha, I bet! :lol:

:schmack:

:singer: :lookaroun

She'd be writing songs about him for eternity.

Ahhhhhhh,hahaha! :rofl:

Before there was Taylor Swift writing songs about her ex-boyfriends, there was Molly Parker writing songs about the ex-cook! :lol:

"Howard can't be trusteeeeed
'That stove top, it needs dusteeeed!'
Boy, am I disgusteeeeed
I got a right to sing the bluuuuuuuues!" :guitar:

Lorimar Television

02-21-2019, 02:43 AM

:thanks:

Hahaha, I bet! :lol:

:schmack:

:singer: :lookaroun

Ahhhhhhh,hahaha! :rofl:

Before there was Taylor Swift writing songs about her ex-boyfriends, there was Molly Parker writing songs about the ex-cook! :lol:

"Howard can't be trusteeeeed
'That stove top, needs to be dusteeeed!'
Boy, am I disgusteeeeed
I got a right to sing the bluuuuuuuues!" :guitar:

Haha brilliant as always but I made a minor change to make the lyrics flow a little better. Hope you don’t mind ;)

'80sSitcoms

02-21-2019, 10:42 AM

Haha brilliant as always but I made a minor change to make the lyrics flow a little better. Hope you don’t mind ;)

Welllllll, that's one extra syllable than is in my take and in Molly's original composition, but I won't quibble. "Much". ;)

(that last word is a little nod to "The Four Musketeers", haha)

Lorimar Television

02-21-2019, 05:50 PM

Welllllll, that's one extra syllable than is in my take and in Molly's original composition, but I won't quibble. "Much". ;)

(that last word is a little nod to "The Four Musketeers", haha)

I see, sorry if I ruined it

02-21-2019, 06:02 PM

I haven't been caught up with this lately, but have there been any guest stars from the show yet?

Lorimar Television

02-21-2019, 06:04 PM

I haven't been caught up with this lately, but have there been any guest stars from the show yet?
No, idk if they'll be able to get any

02-21-2019, 06:13 PM

No, idk if they'll be able to get any

Aww, what a bummer. :(

RetroGuy2000

02-21-2019, 11:25 PM

I haven't been caught up with this lately, but have there been any guest stars from the show yet?

I don't know that they contacted anyone. Julie Pie would do it in a heartbeat, but Dominick doesn't like Sue Ann. Dominick loves Nancy O, and Felice is on social media, so it should be easy to get them connected. Julie Anne and Nancy M are very private. I can imagine Lisa or Mindy doing an episode. I can't imagine Molly doing one. Kim? Who knows?

'80sSitcoms

02-22-2019, 12:19 AM

I can't imagine anyone from the show agreeing to do that podcast. Not since you guys said they drop F-bombs and make inappropriate comments about underage girls.

Lorimar Television

02-22-2019, 12:28 AM

I can't imagine anyone from the show agreeing to do that podcast. Not since you guys said they drop F-bombs and make inappropriate comments about underage girls.

LOL well thats pretty standard for podcasts tbh.

RetroGuy2000

02-22-2019, 12:34 AM

I can't imagine anyone from the show agreeing to do that podcast. Not since you guys said they drop F-bombs and make inappropriate comments about underage girls.

The constant F-bombs are odd, but mild compared to what I see posted in YouTube comments. (Every week I delete dozens of comments on the Lost Girls documentary, from guys mentioning how one of the FOL girls were their first solo sexual experience.)

'80sSitcoms

02-22-2019, 12:36 AM

The constant F-bombs are odd, but mild compared to what I see posted in YouTube comments. (Every week I delete dozens of comments on the Lost Girls documentary, from guys mentioning how one of the FOL girls were their first solo sexual experience.)
Well, I guess that's a part of those guys' facts of..."life"! lol

'80sSitcoms

02-22-2019, 12:38 AM

LOL well thats pretty standard for podcasts tbh.
Not for ones done by guys like us. :wave:

RetroGuy2000

02-22-2019, 12:38 AM

Well, I guess that's a part of those guys' facts of..."life"! lol

:lol:

Lorimar Television

02-22-2019, 12:43 AM

Not for ones done by guys like us. :wave:

;) Well they don’t exist... yet

'80sSitcoms

02-22-2019, 12:45 AM

Also, these must be pretty young guys who were raised on fast paces and quick changes and have, like, zero attention spans. I almost think that would have to be part of the reason.

;) Well they don’t exist... yet
haha, I just mean guys like us out there (besides just us, lol), no matter what the subject matter, we and they would have all-ages-welcome, family-friendly podcasts. :grouphug:

Lorimar Television

02-22-2019, 01:05 AM

Also, these must be pretty young guys who were raised on fast paces and quick changes and have, like, zero attention spans. I almost think that would have to be part of the reason.

haha, I just mean guys like us out there (besides just us, lol), no matter what the subject matter, we and they would have all-ages-welcome, family-friendly podcasts. :grouphug:

It’s a guy who is in his 30s-40s Atleast and a girl also the same age. Sometimes they have others join.

'80sSitcoms

02-22-2019, 01:10 AM

It’s a guy who is in his 30s-40s Atleast and a girl also the same age. Sometimes they have others join.
Hmm, then yeah, they don't really have an excuse. :lookaroun

Lorimar Television

02-22-2019, 01:20 AM

Hmm, then yeah, they don't really have an excuse. :lookaroun

:lol:

Sitcommania

02-23-2019, 02:35 PM

I get a kick out of “Facts of Facts”. I know they are kind of rough on the characters, but I feel the main host really does love the show. In an earlier post, the host said he has lined up a guest who was close to Charlotte Rae, and maybe Asaad Kelada (or someone close to him?). They have 7 more seasons to cover; that’s more than enough time to get some FOL guests. I can imagine Mindy Cohn would be up for it; the hosts seem to share her humor. I’m gonna keep listening.

I also listen to “Let’s Face the Facts”, but I’m less into it. They go too far off topic. They take a whole break midway to talk about themselves and it leaves you feeling kind of “eh...”.

Lorimar Television

02-24-2019, 11:34 PM

Episode 3 was released

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 12:16 AM

Dominik is talking about how Felice Schachter was probably watching at home, pissed that Harrison's car was getting more backstory than Nancy ever did.

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 12:19 AM

Hahaha! :lol:

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 12:26 AM

LOL now a Molly reference by saying Jo's "hideous cotillion dress" makes Andie's in PIP look good.

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 12:29 AM

LOL now a Molly reference by saying Jo's "hideous cotillion dress" makes Andie's in PIP look good.
Ahhhhhh,hahahahaha! :rofl:

Yes, I really like that movie, but jeez, that dress is terrible! :eek:

And its supposed to be, like, "hot"! :rofl:

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 12:31 AM

My goodness! They are just FULL of lost girl references today! They said instead of Mrs G helping Jo find a dress she should've asked Nancy, in charge of the drama department, to loan her a dress from one of their plays. Then a montage of her trying them on would follow.

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 12:32 AM

Well if they're "FULL of Lost Girl references", they'd better mention Cindy! :mad:

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 12:35 AM

Well if they're "FULL of Lost Girl references", they'd better mention Cindy! :mad:

No Sue Ann yet either, though knowing them it would be a diss. :mad:

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 12:38 AM

ugh, lol, true...

Hey! This is fun hanging out with Lorsie and Nancy McKeon! :D

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 12:44 AM

ugh, lol, true...

Hey! This is fun hanging out with Lorsie and Nancy McKeon! :D

Haha! Love it.

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 12:52 AM

:grouphug:

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 12:53 AM

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 12:56 AM

Yeah, really---now where's Cindy??? :mad:

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 01:00 AM

Yeah, really---now where's Cindy??? :mad:

LOL I'll let you know if she's mentioned. Remember though, they think the Julies are the same...

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 01:18 AM

Don't remind me!! :rolleyes:

(I still don't understand it...)

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 02:19 AM

Now they made reference to Molly and her government pamphlet in Facts of Love

'80sSitcoms

02-25-2019, 10:22 AM

Now they made reference to Molly and her government pamphlet in Facts of Love

lol, why???

RetroGuy2000

02-25-2019, 09:27 PM

RetroGuy2000

02-25-2019, 09:29 PM

Ooooh they do make a Sue Ann reference. Blair thinks she hears the phone and the podcasters think it's probably the phone in Dormitory B where Nancy and Sue Ann live. Funny they mention Sue Ann, could've just mentioned Nancy with the whole phone gag.
:lol:

That's funny!

But you're right: with it being the phone, it should have been Nancy. Still, I won't question a nice Lost Girls reference!

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 10:49 PM

:lol:

That's funny!

But you're right: with it being the phone, it should have been Nancy. Still, I won't question a nice Lost Girls reference!

It was, they just threw Sue Ann in randomly. Sorry Eights, Cindy was the only lost girl not mentioned. Though they usually referred to her as “the lesbian” any how.

RetroGuy2000

02-25-2019, 11:20 PM

It was, they just threw Sue Ann in randomly. Sorry Eights, Cindy was the only lost girl not mentioned. Though they usually referred to her as “the lesbian” any how.

There's still time. Many more podcasts, and I know they will mention Cindy in the episodes in which she appears... which means at least four more mentions. :)

Lorimar Television

02-25-2019, 11:51 PM

There's still time. Many more podcasts, and I know they will mention Cindy in the episodes in which she appears... which means at least four more mentions. :)

Yep! ;)

'80sSitcoms

02-26-2019, 01:26 AM

It was, they just threw Sue Ann in randomly. Sorry Eights, Cindy was the only lost girl not mentioned. Though they usually referred to her as “the lesbian” any how.
Well, just the outwardly-perceived-and-self-perceived-possible lesbian, until the end of the show, lol.

Maybe they'll mention her during some Jo stuff, a la divorced parents, tomboy touches. IF they ever get her name right! :rolleyes:

'80sSitcoms

02-26-2019, 01:27 AM

lol, why???
Lorsie, why???? I'm waiting! :lol:

Lorimar Television

02-26-2019, 01:36 AM

Lorsie, why???? I'm waiting! :lol:
LOL some anecdote about one of the girls getting info from a pamphlet which made them mention Molly.

Lorimar Television

03-01-2019, 11:34 PM

Im listening to episode 4! They actually APOLOGIZED to all Sue Ann fans! Starting at 37:52, Dominick says he's beginning to miss her and he respects her as an actress.

RetroGuy2000

03-01-2019, 11:40 PM

Im listening to episode 4! They actually APOLOGIZED to all Sue Ann fans! Starting at 37:52, Dominick says he's beginning to miss her and he respects her as an actress.
WOAH!

*pulls up episode*

Lorimar Television

03-01-2019, 11:41 PM

WOAH!

*pulls up episode*

:lol: EXACTLY! :eek:

Sitcommania

03-08-2019, 10:37 PM

“Cousin Geri” is up today. I had s couple good laughs. Anyone else?

Lorimar Television

03-09-2019, 12:44 AM

“Cousin Geri” is up today. I had s couple good laughs. Anyone else?

I'm listening. Brit just realized this is a completely different building then season 1. Saying how Blair on the phone is completely different than when Nancy was on the common area phone.
Also references to Mr. Bradley.

Sitcommania

03-09-2019, 10:18 AM

'80sSitcoms

03-10-2019, 09:47 PM

I'm listening. Brit just realized this is a completely different building then season 1.
How could she just now realize that? lol

Also references to Mr. Bradley.
What? What references?? :read:

Lorimar Television

03-10-2019, 10:38 PM

How could she just now realize that? lol

What? What references?? :read:

Haha sorry Eights, you’ll have to listen for yourself. ;)

'80sSitcoms

03-10-2019, 10:45 PM

Haha sorry Eights, you’ll have to listen for yourself. ;)
Wha---what?? When did this happen?? :lol:

Lorimar Television

03-10-2019, 10:46 PM

Wha---what?? When did this happen?? :lol:

(Sorry my attention doesn’t always hold and I may have zoned out a bit so I forget the context :lol:)

'80sSitcoms

03-10-2019, 10:51 PM

(Sorry my attention doesn’t always hold and I may have zoned out a bit so I forget the context :lol:)
Oh, hahaha! Funny way of putting it, then! :lol:

Oohhh, you little millennials! ;)

Yeah, I was like, c'mon, I already listened to one podcast, do I have to listen to another one?? :grr: :lol:

Actually, I just learned on Instagram from my favorite character on "Mr. Belvedere" that she took part in a podcast last week that'll be uploaded in about a week, where her Hollywood reminiscences included Mr. B---I was stoked to see that! So now I do have to listen to another one! :lol: Maybe it'll be easier this time! ;)

Lorimar Television

03-10-2019, 11:29 PM

Oh, hahaha! Funny way of putting it, then! :lol:

Oohhh, you little millennials! ;)

Yeah, I was like, c'mon, I already listened to one podcast, do I have to listen to another one?? :grr: :lol:

Actually, I just learned on Instagram from my favorite character on "Mr. Belvedere" that she took part in a podcast last week that'll be uploaded in about a week, where her Hollywood reminiscences included Mr. B---I was stoked to see that! So now I do have to listen to another one! :lol: Maybe it'll be easier this time! ;)

Heather? Or the mom?

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 09:42 AM

Heather? Or the mom?

Heather, a.k.a. Tracey Wells! I'm pumped! :D

"Marsha", "Kevin", "Heather", and "Wesley" sat together to give commentary on a handful of episodes for the season 3 set* (that is SO COOL---can you imagine if the core four had gotten together and recorded any commentaries???), so now I can't wait to hear what she has to say about the show in a podcast discussion!! :woohoo:

*(Bob Uecker, "George", isn't on the commentaries, but he did take part in a bonus feature of separate little interviews of the family cast members on the seasons 1 & 2 set, which Tracey didn't take part in [I suspect there was a scheduling conflict]).

She says the topics are "Growing up in the San Fernando Valley, acting with Ricky Schroeder, Alphonso Ribeiro, Kirk Cameron, Mark Ruffalo, Mr. Belvedere, real estate, kids and Michael Jackson's Leaving Neverland."

:D

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Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 06:38 PM

Heather, a.k.a. Tracey Wells! I'm pumped! :D

"Marsha", "Kevin", "Heather", and "Wesley" sat together to give commentary on a handful of episodes for the season 3 set* (that is SO COOL---can you imagine if the core four had gotten together and recorded any commentaries???), so now I can't wait to hear what she has to say about the show in a podcast discussion!! :woohoo:

*(Bob Uecker, "George", isn't on the commentaries, but he did take part in a bonus feature of separate little interviews of the family cast members on the seasons 1 & 2 set, which Tracey didn't take part in [I suspect there was a scheduling conflict]).

She says the topics are "Growing up in the San Fernando Valley, acting with Ricky Schroeder, Alphonso Ribeiro, Kirk Cameron, Mark Ruffalo, Mr. Belvedere, real estate, kids and Michael Jackson's Leaving Neverland."

:D

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Very cool! I liked Tracey Wells as well.

Core four? I'd prefer the lost girls.

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 07:11 PM

Very cool! I liked Tracey Wells as well.
Cool! :) Actually, growing up, my older sister and I had a relationship somewhat akin to Heather and Wesley's, so it felt very "natural" watching the show. :lol:

Core four?
Yes, core four. They're on my mind a lot since I'm still watching, going on season 6.

I'd prefer the lost girls.
Of course you would! :lol: ;)

If I could have my pick of 4, I'd want season 1 commentary with "Cindy", "Molly", "Blair", and "Tootie"! :loveya:

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 07:42 PM

Cool! :) Actually, growing up, my older sister and I had a relationship somewhat akin to Heather and Wesley's, so it felt very "natural" watching the show. :lol:

Yes, core four. They're on my mind a lot since I'm still watching, going on season 6.

Of course you would! :lol: ;)

If I could have my pick of 4, I'd want season 1 commentary with "Cindy", "Molly", "Blair", and "Tootie"! :loveya:

You mean you were pure evil to your sister? :eek: I never woulda guessed!

Haha yes, you know I’d prefer Sue Ann over Molly but agree with the rest.

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 07:50 PM

You mean you were pure evil to your sister? :eek: I never woulda guessed!
Haha, well I wasn't that bad, lol, but when I was "of age" I could definitely be a bratty annoying obnoxious little brother! :lol: :o

And Mom is a lot like Marsha---in fact, so much so that one year for her birthday when I was in college, I put together a montage of Marsha moments that were so "Mom-like" and played it for the family. :)

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 09:42 PM

Haha, well I wasn't that bad, lol, but when I was "of age" I could definitely be a bratty annoying obnoxious little brother! :lol: :o

And Mom is a lot like Marsha---in fact, so much so that one year for her birthday when I was in college, I put together a montage of Marsha moments that were so "Mom-like" and played it for the family. :)

:lol: awww nice

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 10:15 PM

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 10:21 PM

Lol yeah I don’t think Britt got a chance to complete that thought. I think she mean the orientation of each set was different and the cafeteria phone is on a different end of the room than the dorm phone.

Britt... I don't know what was going on in that part. She brought up Nancy, which I'll give her points for, but it did seem as though she was confusing the cafeteria and the dorm commons room; why else bring up the fact that the phone is on the opposite side of the room, now?

I guess maybe she thought the lounge was... an extension of the cafeteria...? I don't know. I couldn't understand her point, and they dropped it.

'80s, the Bradley mention was in reference to how Mr. Bradley would mansplain things.

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 10:25 PM

Britt... I don't know what was going on in that part. She brought up Nancy, which I'll give her points for, but it did seem as though she was confusing the cafeteria and the dorm commons room; why else bring up the fact that the phone is on the opposite side of the room, now?

I guess maybe she thought the lounge was... an extension of the cafeteria...? I don't know. I couldn't understand her point, and they dropped it.

'80s, the Bradley mention was in reference to how Mr. Bradley would mansplain things.

I think she was just saying how different the set is oriented compared to s1

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 10:39 PM

I think she was just saying how different the set is oriented compared to s1

Could be. That would make more sense than what she actually said.

I am looking forward to, and also dreading, the upcoming podcast summary of "Sex Symbol", with the return of one of the Lost Girls. Will they embrace Nancy O, or will they crap all over her?

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 10:41 PM

Could be. That would make more sense than what she actually said.

I am looking forward to, and also dreading, the upcoming podcast summary of "Sex Symbol", with the return of one of the Lost Girls. Will they embrace Nancy O, or will they crap all over her?

Haha I have no idea, but Gossip comes first.

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 10:46 PM

Haha I have no idea, but Gossip comes first.

Why would "Gossip" come first? They aren't podcasting out of order, are they?

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 10:52 PM

Why would "Gossip" come first? They aren't podcasting out of order, are they?

Gossip aired before Sex Symbol, Retro. Gossip is ep 9, SS is ep 11.

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 10:58 PM

That's hilarious and awesome at the same time! :lol:

Now I know what Mrs. '80sSitcoms is like!
At first I was like, "uhhhhhh...:confused: ", but then I figured you meant "Mother '80sSitcoms". :lol:

Yeah, she's a lot like Marsha Owens, with a little Charlene Frazier and Rose Nylund mixed in, lol. :)

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:00 PM

'80s, the Bradley mention was in reference to how Mr. Bradley would mansplain things.
Thanks Retro! Ya just can't count on these young kids today with their shortened attention spans---I'm lookin' at you, Lorsie ;)

:D

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:02 PM

I am looking forward to, and also dreading, the upcoming podcast summary of "Sex Symbol", with the return of one of the Lost Girls. Will they embrace Nancy O, or will they crap all over her?
Dude, you just "Nancied" Cindy and Sue Ann! And they're supposed to be your favorites!

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:02 PM

Gossip aired before Sex Symbol, Retro. Gossip is ep 9, SS is ep 11.
They'd better dang well mention Cindy!---BY NAME---CORRECT NAME!:mad:

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:03 PM

Dude, did you just "Nancy" Cindy and Sue Ann??

Haha! You noticed! Ten points to Gryffindor... er, '80s!

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:05 PM

Haha! You noticed! Ten points to Gryffindor... er, '80s!
But why would you do that??

And would you people quit quoting me before I'm finished editing???? :lol:

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:05 PM

Gossip aired before Sex Symbol, Retro. Gossip is ep 9, SS is ep 11.
Those are the production numbers, not the air dates, Lorimar.

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:07 PM

But why would you do that??
Just to see who would squawk first. :lol:

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:09 PM

Those are the production numbers, not the air dates, Lorimar.
Gossip Air date: January 21, 1981
Sex Symbol Air date: February 4, 1981

:confused::confused::confused:

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:09 PM

At first I was like, "uhhhhhh...:confused: ", but then I figured you meant "Mother '80sSitcoms". :lol:

Hey. whatever you prefer to call her, I'll go with!

Yeah, she's a lot like Marsha Owens, with a little Charlene Frazier and Rose Nylund mixed in, lol. :)

Oh... oh wow... :lol:

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:09 PM

Thanks Retro! Ya just can't count on these young kids today with their shortened attention spans---I'm lookin' at you, Lorsie ;)

:D

Hey! How dare- wait, what was I saying? :crazy:

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:15 PM

Gossip Air date: January 21, 1981
Sex Symbol Air date: February 4, 1981

:confused::confused::confused:

Ah! I see the problem! had been using this version (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Facts_of_Life_episodes&oldid=878853260#Season_2_(1980%E2%80%9381)) of Wiki, not the current version.

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:16 PM

Ah! I see the problem! had been using this version (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Facts_of_Life_episodes&oldid=878853260#Season_2_(1980%E2%80%9381)) of Wiki, not the current version.

They thought Gossip was the finale? I cant believe you relied on WIKIPEDIA retro! Haven't I taught you better than that? :lol:

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:17 PM

Hey! How dare- wait, what was I saying? :crazy:
:lol:

...Actually, that reminds me of something Cody Lambert would say...

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:18 PM

:lol:

...Actually, that reminds me of something Cody Lambert would say...

He's not a millennial.... and while we're at it, millennials are born before 1996 so don't call any of todays youngins millennials because THEY AREN'T!

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:19 PM

They thought Gossip was the finale? I cant believe you relied on WIKIPEDIA retro! Haven't I taught you better than that? :lol:

For sitcom order, yes, I have relied on Wiki. I wouldn't use it for a report.

...Unless the report was due the next day, and I was out of time... :lol:

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:20 PM

For sitcom order, yes, I have relied on Wiki. I wouldn't use it for a report.

...Unless the report was due the next day, and I was out of time... :lol:

:eek: Bad Retro!

:typing: :nonono:

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:20 PM

For sitcom order, yes, I have relied on Wiki. I wouldn't use it for a report.

...Unless the report was due the next day, and I was out of time... :lol:
You and Sue Ann ;)

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:22 PM

Yeah, they filmed "Gossip" later, but aired it so much earlier in the season. I wonder if that partially had to do with fan mail asking "Where are the other girls???? What happened????" and the show thought, "Yikes! The audience is missing those first season girls! Quick, move an episode up that has them in it! Show them we didn't forget about them entirely!"

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:34 PM

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:37 PM

You and Sue Ann ;)
:lol: And Blair, too, although admittedly her assignment was a poem rather than a report.

RetroGuy2000

03-11-2019, 11:38 PM

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:56 PM

:lol: And Blair, too, although admittedly her assignment was a poem rather than a report.

Haha yep, Emily Dickinson.

'80sSitcoms

03-11-2019, 11:57 PM

But they got Molly in ep 2! :lol:
Yes, but just in one scene, so kind of an "extended cameo". And that still gives time for a few more episodes with nary a Lost Girl in sight, causing outraged charter "Facts" members to write in and calling NBC asking where their girls are! :singer:

Lorimar Television

03-11-2019, 11:58 PM

Yes, but just in one scene, so kind of an "extended cameo". And that still gives time for a few more episodes with nary a Lost Girl in sight, causing outraged charter "Facts" members to write in and calling NBC asking where their girls are! :singer:

If I were born I certainly would've ;)

'80sSitcoms

03-12-2019, 12:04 AM

If I were born I certainly would've ;)
Haha, if I were a whole lot older then I would've, too!! ;)

RetroGuy2000

03-12-2019, 08:28 PM

Me, too! But I was so young that I didn't know which episodes were new, and which episodes were reruns...

Lorimar Television

03-16-2019, 01:17 AM

Wow they got an actual TV writer for Shoplifting! Nancy Cohen who has written for shows such as King of Queens and Sabrina The Teenage Witch. She loved FOL growing up and met Asad Kalod who wrote for FOL.

Lorimar Television

03-16-2019, 02:04 AM

Reference to Mrs G "wogging" in Running. :lol: Brit also does not like that Mrs G's hair is a lot smaller now. I have to agree, I miss the poof.

Buffyboy323

03-16-2019, 02:55 PM

I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned here, but another really good “Facts Of Life” podcast worth checking out is “Let’s Face The Facts.” They too go episode by episode and more into detail about the show and the state of television as a whole during the time. They’re halfway through season two at the moment. Pretty fun stuff!

Check out Let's Face The Facts - A Facts Of Life Podcast by David Almeida https://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=223241

Sitcommania

03-16-2019, 10:11 PM

Dominik is a TV writer, too: https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3262906/?ref=m_nv_sr_1, as is his writing partner Grant Levy, who guests on the podcast. They don’t talk much about their resumes, though. The writers’ perspective is what makes it more entertaining than Let’s Face the Facts (IMO!!). I think Facts of Facts is a hoot, like I’ve said before.

'80sSitcoms

03-16-2019, 10:55 PM

Wow they got an actual TV writer for Shoplifting!
Well of course, who did you think they got?? :lol:

Nancy Cohen who has written for shows such as King of Queens and Sabrina The Teenage Witch.

Well she didn't write for those until after FOL. ;)

Sitcommania

03-23-2019, 01:56 PM

Lorimar Television

03-23-2019, 07:37 PM

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 12:09 AM

It’s back. Don and Britt talk about Teenage Marriage. They talk about the Lost Girls fan base...I don’t know the time stamp, but it’s pretty early on. They’re excited to discuss Gossip next week haha!

OMG! He mentioned my comment. Well spotted, SM!

It's about 19:50 into the podcast. The guest, a guy named Erich, calls the Lost Girls "dead weight" (Boo! And people wonder why Sue Ann had an eating disorder. Come on, now!)

Then Dominik, of all people, defends the Lost Girls, explaining they have their fans (that's us, guys!), and that he tries to "protect" them. (Could have fooled me with all of the scathing comments last season, but whatever).

Then he mentions "Gossip", and how "someone" (that's me) had pointed out that Sue Ann doesn't come off very good in that episode (what with her and Cindy spreading Tootie's gossip about Mrs. G, and almost getting her fired). As you say, he says he's looking forward to the episode! :lol:

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 12:14 AM

It's about 19:50 into the podcast. The guest, a guy named Erich, calls the Lost Girls "dead weight" (Boo!)
Well then, "a guy named Erich" obviously hasn't watched season 1!

Or, if he has, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. He might just be going with the ignorant, uninformed observation that "they didn't last" = "dead weight".

Then Dominik, of all people, defends the Lost Girls
:lol:

(it's the least he can do!)

explaining they have their fans (that's us, guys!)
:clap: :grouphug:

and that he tries to "protect" them. (Could have fooled me with all of the scathing comments last season, but whatever).
OOOOooooooo! (haha)

Then he mentions "Gossip", and how "someone" (that's me) had pointed out that Sue Ann doesn't come off very good in that episode (what with her and Cindy spreading Tootie's gossip about Mrs. G, and almost getting her fired).
Hm, that's interesting, I never think of anyone coming off bad there. The girls are just being themselves. It's not like "Sex Symbol" where they're intentionally "mean girls", or "The Little Chill" where Sue Ann comes off more unlikable (and the fact that Jo "catches" her in her lie and confronts her about it and criticizes her and "shames" her must make The Nancy McKeon Fan Base™ Boo and Hiss Sue Ann off their TV screens!). So no, I don't think of Sue Ann as coming off bad in G at all.

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 12:30 AM

Well that guest sounds like he doesn’t deserve any cheese dip... and I agree Sue Ann comes off fine in Gossip as well as in Front page. Even in TLC you see her side and her motives and she and jo have a nice moment. Long live Sue Ann!!!!

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 12:33 AM

Well that guest sounds like he doesn’t deserve any cheese dip...
Not even if he wogged 5 miles for it!

Even in TLC you see her side and her motives
YOU see her side and her motives!

Long live Sue Ann!!!!
SEE????? #biased!! :lol:

;)

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 12:35 AM

Not even if he wogged 5 miles for it!

YOU see her side and her motives!

SEE????? #biased!! :lol:

;)

How DARE you not understand Sue Anns side?! That’s it, you and me outside!!! :argue:

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 12:38 AM

How DARE you not understand Sue Anns side?! That’s it, you and me outside!!! :argue:
I didn't say I didn't understand it, I was just having fun with the fact that you're totally biased, haha. :p :D

Only "you and me outside" if you're gonna pick me up and take me to Disney World with you! :lol:

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 12:43 AM

I didn't say I didn't understand it, I was just having fun with the fact that you're totally biased, haha. :p :D

Only "you and me outside" if you're gonna pick me up and take me to Disney World with you! :lol:

Nope not after Sue Ann was just insulted AGAIN. You buy your own way, sir. :p

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 12:47 AM

Nope not after Sue Ann was just insulted AGAIN. You buy your own way, sir. :p
"Was I just insulted??"

"NO, you weren't!" :wave:

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 12:54 AM

"Was I just insulted??"

"NO, you weren't!" :wave:

:lol::grouphug:

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 09:30 AM

Well then, "a guy named Erich" obviously hasn't watched season 1!

Or, if he has, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. He might just be going with the ignorant, uninformed observation that "they didn't last" = "dead weight".

Exactly. With some better writing on the show, and better directing, the Lost Girls would have been brilliant in Season One. We know this because both Molly and Felice went on to film careers. and Julie Anne had already done film.

:lol:

(it's the least he can do!)

Hm, that's interesting, I never think of anyone coming off bad there. The girls are just being themselves. It's not like "Sex Symbol" where they're intentionally "mean girls", or "The Little Chill" where Sue Ann comes off more unlikable (and the fact that Jo "catches" her in her lie and confronts her about it and criticizes her and "shames" her must make The Nancy McKeon Fan Base™ Boo and Hiss Sue Ann off their TV screens!). So no, I don't think of Sue Ann as coming off bad in G at all.

Dominic blames Sue Ann for the smallest things, so I can definitely see him going off on Sue Ann and Cindy during "Gossip". They do break their promise about not telling anyone about Mrs. Garrett's drinking problem.

As you say, "Sex Symbol" is where three of four Lost Girls come off very badly. Incredibly badly.

And of course in "The Litttle Chill" Sue Ann flat-out lies to impress the other girls, and is caught by Jo in a web of lies.

Cindy and Sue Ann are fine in "Front Page", while Jo ends up coming off very badly in that one.

But this brings up a point that has been brought up multiple times on YouTube: why did the writers write the Lost Girls so adversarially during their later seasons? They make fun of Natalie and Home Run Helen, they gossip and break promises, they lie, they threaten people with globes, and they even hang out with mean old Margo from Fargo.

I have an opinion, but would like to hear other opinions on this.

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 02:23 PM

Dominic blames Sue Ann for the smallest things, so I can definitely see him going off on Sue Ann and Cindy during "Gossip".
I'll be impressed if you guys tell me he actually mentions Cindy by name!

They do break their promise about not telling anyone about Mrs. Garrett's drinking problem.
Well, actually they don't, because they don't make a promise. Sue Ann just "agrees" that something like this shouldn't get around ("Oh...definitely"), while Cindy very cleverly, rhetorically asks, "Who would we tell?". Notice these two girls are not lying, nor are they confirming any action they will or will not take---Mr. Bradley was right, they are bright girls! (leaving themselves a big loophole here)

Cindy and Sue Ann are fine in "Front Page", while Jo ends up coming off very badly in that one.
Yet, interesting, Jo doesn't come off nearly as badly as Natalie does in "From Russia With Love". I mean, sure that was the worst thing Jo did in her academic career, but she is completely remorseful and regretful once she realizes what she'd done.

But this brings up a point that has been brought up multiple times on YouTube: why did the writers write the Lost Girls so adversarially during their later seasons? They make fun of Natalie and Home Run Helen, they gossip and break promises, they lie, they threaten people with globes, and they even hang out with mean old Margo from Fargo.

I have an opinion, but would like to hear other opinions on this.

I think that's kind of a sweeping generality. They're not "mean girls" in all of their appearances. Regarding Margo, the school year was new, and this particular type of relationship seems to be one where Margo influenced Molly to hand out with her (or perhaps they were even roommates). And the globe thing was just harmless fun, lol.

But I guess they figured they could write them however they wanted, because they were now "expendable".

Christopher

03-24-2019, 04:32 PM

Well then, "a guy named Erich" obviously hasn't watched season 1!

Or, if he has, then he doesn't know what he's talking about. He might just be going with the ignorant, uninformed observation that "they didn't last" = "dead weight".

Or he has different preferences than others with this show. One thing I've noticed a lot with the lost girls fan base on this board is how arrogant and standoffish you guys come across when someone has a negative opinion on the lost girls. Not every FOL fan is required to like the lost girls just like every lost girls fan is not required to like Jo and the changes that came after they were fired. The mature thing to do is respect other fans preference when it comes to what they like about the show. If everyone felt the same, it would be boring discussing the show with each other and listening to their views. Fans who consider season 1 crap and the lost girls dead weight are entitled to their opinion without being run down for it just like you're entitled to your opinion without being made fun of.

Christopher

03-24-2019, 04:37 PM

But this brings up a point that has been brought up multiple times on YouTube: why did the writers write the Lost Girls so adversarially during their later seasons? They make fun of Natalie and Home Run Helen, they gossip and break promises, they lie, they threaten people with globes, and they even hang out with mean old Margo from Fargo.

I have an opinion, but would like to hear other opinions on this.

I wouldn't read into it. Look how many times Blair's character changed in the first season. She started off nasty towards others and a smoker. Then she says she's never going to be like her mom playing guys, however a few episodes later she's in the back of a van wanting to have fun with a guy. I look at it as teenagers trying to find their place with others and themselves. I don't think the writers were trying to make the lost girls a-holes and turning fans off of them. The main 4 went through spells like that. Blair was really hard to like in the pilot and first episode. I think the writers liked having mean girls when the opportunity came up. It probably made it fun to write.

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 05:07 PM

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 05:10 PM

Then she says she's never going to be like her mom playing guys, however a few episodes later she's in the back of a van wanting to have fun with a guy.
Well, technically, she doesn't want to be like her mother in regards to toying with taken men. Playing with single Steve is different.

Blair was really hard to like in the pilot and first episode. I think the writers liked having mean girls when the opportunity came up. It probably made it fun to write.
I see how their intention was to make Blair "the heavy" of the girls, but I don't dislike her there.

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 05:52 PM

I'll be impressed if you guys tell me he actually mentions Cindy by name!

We'll be sure to let you know!

Well, actually they don't, because they don't make a promise. Sue Ann just "agrees" that something like this shouldn't get around

I would definitely consider that a promise. If you tell me not to tell Lorimar something, as it could hurt him, and I agree, and then I immediately run and tell Lorimar, that would be braking a promise, IMO, whether or not the word "promise" is actually spoken.

("Oh...definitely"), while Cindy very cleverly, rhetorically asks, "Who would we tell?". Notice these two girls are not lying, nor are they confirming any action they will or will not take---Mr. Bradley was right, they are bright girls! (leaving themselves a big loophole here)

I wouldn't call that a genuine loophole, and I hope Mrs. Garrett had a strong word with them when she walked with them back over to Dorm B, later asking Miss Mahoney to assign them some clean-up work in the science lab. (They volunteered to help Tootie lick envelopes, but otherwise escaped actual punishment).

Yet, interesting, Jo doesn't come off nearly as badly as Natalie does in "From Russia With Love". I mean, sure that was the worst thing Jo did in her academic career, but she is completely remorseful and regretful once she realizes what she'd done.

Well, what Jo had done ruined a man's academic career. For all we know, he's serving Taco Bell at the drive-thru window, to this day.

I think that's kind of a sweeping generality. They're not "mean girls" in all of their appearances.

No, but think about even "Pretty Babies": Nancy is set up as some kind of "prettiness" rival to Blair: Blair feels obligated to get under Nancy's skin as a way of competing. So even when the Lost Girls are not being antagonistic, the writers are driving a wedge between the Core Four and the Lost Girls... I suppose because it makes for good TV.

Regarding Margo, the school year was new, and this particular type of relationship seems to be one where Margo influenced Molly to hand out with her (or perhaps they were even roommates).

I like how Molly sticks up for Jo (even half-heartedly), but I hope she dumped that friendship quickly. It's possible they were new roommates, but if so, why would Mrs. Garrett place them together, since she did the dorm scheduling? Maybe she thought some of Molly's social justice would rub off on Margo in the same way that she hoped a little of Blair's je ne sais quoi would rub off on Jo?

And the globe thing was just harmless fun, lol.

Tootie's expression doesn't feel like harmless fun to me.

But I guess they figured they could write them however they wanted, because they were now "expendable".

That's true; it's not like these girls could walk off the set if they didn't like the lines they were getting. Although Molly did...

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 06:03 PM

I would definitely consider that a promise. If you tell me not to tell Lorimar something, as it could hurt him, and I agree, and then I immediately run and tell Lorimar, that would be braking a promise, IMO, whether or not the word "promise" is actually spoken. I wouldn't call that a genuine loophole, and I hope Mrs. Garrett had a strong word with them when she walked with them back over to Dorm B, later asking Miss Mahoney to assign them some clean-up work in the science lab. (They volunteered to help Tootie lick envelopes, but otherwise escaped actual punishment).
I don't see that as any sort of promise, just a general agreeing with what Tootie's saying. And you have to take into account that Tootie didn't tell them not to tell. She just said "But this isn't something that should get around." Just a generalizing statement. It could be argued she's inferring a promise, but that's still not a promise nor even asking for one (c'mon, I thought you liked Cindy and Sue Ann?? :lol: ;) [kidding, of course] ). This is unlike in the diary episode where Natalie does make Blair promise not to say anything about her crush on that guy, but Blair deliberately breaks that promise. Nat totally had a right to be angry about that.

Well, what Jo had done ruined a man's academic career. For all we know, he's serving Taco Bell at the drive-thru window, to this day.
Yes, that was the worst thing she ever did. But the writers wrote her so you had sympathy for her. Whereas in FRWL, Natalie comes off as a real brat IMO.

I like how Molly sticks up for Jo (even half-heartedly)
Haha, yup.

but I hope she dumped that friendship quickly.
I think after "that pie bit", she probably did.

It's possible they were new roommates, but if so, why would Mrs. Garrett place them together, since she did the dorm scheduling? Maybe she thought some of Molly's social justice would rub off on Margo in the same way that she hoped a little of Blair's je ne sais quoi would rub off on Jo?
Hmm, then maybe they had a class together and Margo started talking to her at the next desk, who knows?

Tootie's expression doesn't feel like harmless fun to me.
Do you have siblings? lol...that's what moment is like. It's not anything like being a "mean girl". And Tootie was being antagonistic there, teasing Nancy about knowing a secret about Roger, but not telling her.

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 06:17 PM

Or he has different preferences than others with this show. One thing I've noticed a lot with the lost girls fan base on this board is how arrogant and standoffish you guys come across when someone has a negative opinion on the lost girls. Not every FOL fan is required to like the lost girls just like every lost girls fan is not required to like Jo and the changes that came after they were fired. The mature thing to do is respect other fans preference when it comes to what they like about the show. If everyone felt the same, it would be boring discussing the show with each other and listening to their views. Fans who consider season 1 crap and the lost girls dead weight are entitled to their opinion without being run down for it just like you're entitled to your opinion without being made fun of.

I think '80s, above has answered you fairly well, but I want to add a few things.

Fans of the Lost Girls have had to listen for decades as TV moguls, Nancy NcKeon's agents, and Nancy McKeon fans have stated over and over that Nancy Mc/Jo singlehandedly "saved the show", even though we know that's not true and ratings had actually improved over summer 1980. Better writing, better sets, a bigger budget, actual promotion, and a different timeslot helped save the show. Nancy McKeon's tear-jerking scenes, and the focus on a fish-out-of-water new character certainly helped, but could never have singlehandedly done what these folks want us to believe. It's BS.

For years, we've had to listen to how "horrible" the Lost Girls were: dressed like puppets (Dominic and Britt), dressed like sluts (Margie and Linda), horrible Disney actors (Dominic and Britt), etc. We've had to listen to network executives exaggerate the number of girls ("ten, twelve girls") and talk about bad writing, as if that was the fault of the actresses.

If we here on this board disagree with Dominic's opinion, we are free to do so, and we will do so. This is even the correct thread in which to do so. And by providing commentary on where Dom and Britt are wrong, we have even provided further discussion fodder for them.

In this age of social media, fans of the show can finally voice their opinions on major social media platforms. Based on the YouTube comments, many thousands of people feel the same way we do, and it feels refreshing to be able to finally vent about critics, and even take them to task for things which are obviously not true, like Jo being the holy salvation of the show.

McKeon's Peons would have us believe that the show was garbage without Jo, but even Dominic and Britt have criticized some of the bad writing in Season 2. And Nancy McKeon herself has stated that she was a fan of the Lost Girls (in her words "the girls who didn't make it").

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 06:20 PM

Well lots of things to respond here. Christopher I totally get people wont like every character, everyone’s entitled to hate season 1 and the lost girls if they like. Rewatching it I can even see some of those points. We just joke around about the lost girls more than anything, when I tell Eights I’m gonna take him outside over Sue Ann I’m a billion percent joking around.

The lost girls only weren’t that likable in Sex Symbol IMO. Nancy’s moments were usually fine, she was more than entitled to be pissed at Blair for going out with her bf of over a year, especially since she knows how much Nancy cares for Roger. Blair was snarky to her in the modeling Ep too. Sue Ann and Cindy in gossip were sorta being used for comedic effect. They needed the info to get around. Who knows? Maybe they told Nancy and Molly, someone overheard that and then spread it from there? I think Sue Ann was redeemed at the end of TLC, but you are all free to disagree. Her character arc was about being an overachiever since IQ, it makes sense she would be embarrassed about her job and want her friends to think she was doing better. In the end, she was gonna tell the truth, Jo stopped her from doing it. Also yes Dominick got mad at Sue Ann for being careful with her words “Blair said she was gonna take a shower” to get out of lying for Blair in FF.

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 06:26 PM

I wouldn't read into it. Look how many times Blair's character changed in the first season. She started off nasty towards others and a smoker. Then she says she's never going to be like her mom playing guys, however a few episodes later she's in the back of a van wanting to have fun with a guy. I look at it as teenagers trying to find their place with others and themselves. I don't think the writers were trying to make the lost girls a-holes and turning fans off of them. The main 4 went through spells like that. Blair was really hard to like in the pilot and first episode. I think the writers liked having mean girls when the opportunity came up. It probably made it fun to write.

All good points, and I see your point about how the writers made all the girls kinda jerky at times.

Still, with the Core Four, we got to see both sides of their personalities: when they were heroes, kind, helpful, etc.... and when they were total biaches. With the Lost Girls and their declining parts, it seemed as though we saw less and less of their good sides, and more of them being rude, snarky, antagonistic, breaking promises, or even lying.

(And yes, '80s, I say that as a Lost Girls fan :lol: )

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 06:33 PM

Sue Ann and Cindy in gossip were sorta being used for comedic effect. They needed the info to get around. Who knows? Maybe they told Nancy and Molly, someone overheard that and then spread it from there?
Good point Lorsie, that was totally for comedic effect. And another good point, they could have just told good friends/dormmates Molly and Nancy, but that pesky Nina overheard them and blabbed it all over campus! :lol: ;)

Also yes Dominick got mad at Sue Ann for being careful with her words “Blair said she was gonna take a shower” to get out of lying for Blair in FF.
Wait, what? :confused:

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 06:43 PM

when I tell Eights I’m gonna take him outside over Sue Ann I’m a billion percent joking around.

And I thought you were a real Sue Ann fan! :lol:

The lost girls only weren’t that likable in Sex Symbol IMO. Nancy’s moments were usually fine, she was more than entitled to be pissed at Blair for going out with her bf of over a year, especially since she knows how much Nancy cares for Roger.

Oh, yes, I agree: Nancy has every reason to be jealous of Blair in "Gossip", and you'll notice I didn't include it in my litany of "Lost Girls sins".

Sue Ann and Cindy in gossip were sorta being used for comedic effect. They needed the info to get around. Who knows? Maybe they told Nancy and Molly, someone overheard that and then spread it from there?

A good theory... except we can see from their expressions that they are immediately going to tell a bunch of people.

Also, they didn't seem particularly close with Molly after the first season (they never even hang out with her once), so let's not drag poor Molly into their gossiping. Molly did enough just hanging around that Margo biatch. :lol:

I think Sue Ann was redeemed at the end of TLC, but you are all free to disagree. Her character arc was about being an overachiever since IQ, it makes sense she would be embarrassed about her job and want her friends to think she was doing better. In the end, she was gonna tell the truth, Jo stopped her from doing it.

I completely agree with you; I thought the episode was very much in character with who both Sue Ann and Jo are.

Also yes Dominick got mad at Sue Ann for being careful with her words “Blair said she was gonna take a shower” to get out of lying for Blair in FF.

I think Dominik likes to stir the pot... Why else would he get mad at Sue Ann for what she said, there?

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 07:29 PM

Lorimar Television

03-24-2019, 07:32 PM

No Retro they definitely hung around Molly still, she was just on the other side of the school during the eps ;). Yes it’s clear by their expression they’re gonna gossip, but obviously Nat and Toot had to notice which leads me to believe they said they were kidding after.

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 07:45 PM

No Retro they definitely hung around Molly still, she was just on the other side of the school during the eps ;).

Yeah, hanging out with her new friend Margo, listening to Margo talk about how great Fargo is, and how much better North Dakota is, because they don't have waitresses, and showing Molly all of the warm clothes she has to wear back in Fargo... :lol:

Yes it’s clear by their expression they’re gonna gossip, but obviously Nat and Toot had to notice which leads me to believe they said they were kidding after.

But if they said they were kidding, then they lied!

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 08:39 PM

Oh, yes, I agree: Nancy has every reason to be jealous of Blair in "Gossip"
No she doesn't. Blair emphasizes this herself to make sure Jo doesn't misunderstand: "I'm not after Roger. I'm after Baryshnikov!"

A good theory... except we can see from their expressions that they are immediately going to tell a bunch of people.
Yes, our Lost Girls being used for good comedy for viewers. We at home: ":lol:"

Also, they didn't seem particularly close with Molly after the first season (they never even hang out with her once)
Well, it is kind of hard to hang out with someone who's not "all there" ;)

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 08:41 PM

Sue Ann covering for Blair in FF says, “Blair’s exact eords to me we’re I’m studying upstairs”. Dom was mad because she was careful with her words. Also said she’s terrible for not wanting to swear on her mother’s life BECAUSE she’s 41, implying that she would if her mother was older. He had an irrational hatred for sure. He was mad Sue Ann added “pals to the end” saying she was one upping Mrs G’s Buddies forever. His hate of her didn’t really start til around Dieting.
Why would he be mad because she was careful with her words? How odd.

And how does he know Sue Ann would swear on her mother's life if she happened to have been older? He doesn't know. She was just driving home the point her mother was way too young for that.

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 08:42 PM

Yes it’s clear by their expression they’re gonna gossip, but obviously Nat and Toot had to notice which leads me to believe they said they were kidding after.

But if they said they were kidding, then they lied!
They never fully promised, they never kidded, they never lied, it's all good! :lol: All of the girls did, however, lie at one time or another---some more than others! (well, except perhaps Nancy and Cindy [Nancy really never had much of a chance to lie!] )

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 09:32 PM

No she doesn't. Blair emphasizes this herself to make sure Jo doesn't misunderstand: "I'm not after Roger. I'm after Baryshnikov!"

Yeah, but she doesn't tell Nancy that: she tells Jo that. Here Blair is, getting a date with Roger, who is going steady with Nancy, and Blair knows this. Nancy has every right to react with anger.

Well, it is kind of hard to hang out with someone who's not "all there" ;)
:lol:

They never fully promised, they never kidded, they never lied, it's all good!

They didn't do the right thing. They knew better.

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 09:50 PM

Yeah, but she doesn't tell Nancy that: she tells Jo that. Here Blair is, getting a date with Roger, who is going steady with Nancy, and Blair knows this. Nancy has every right to react with anger.
Oh, I see what you're saying; yes, if you look at it from Nancy's POV, then yes, it's natural she would be inflamed with jealousy.

They didn't do the right thing. They knew better.
You are so hard on these girls! :lol:

RetroGuy2000

03-24-2019, 10:04 PM

Oh, I see what you're saying; yes, if you look at it from Nancy's POV, then yes, it's natural she would be inflamed with jealousy.

Yes. Clearly, Blair doesn't understand this: she's just out for a lark with Roger, to meet Baryshnikov. But that doesn't mean she's doing the honorable thing; in fact, she knows she's not. She's sneaking around behind Nancy's back with Roger, and Roger's letting her. This clearly would cause a dispute between Nancy and Roger, when Nancy finds out.

Thus, whether she intends it or not, Blair's date with Roger will cause friction between Roger and Nancy.

You are so hard on these girls! :lol:

Hey, it takes a lot to get 'em right, when you're learning the Facts of Life. :lol:

'80sSitcoms

03-24-2019, 10:09 PM

C'mere Cindy and Sue Ann, it's okay! :bighug:

Christopher

03-25-2019, 06:17 PM

I know that. I meant that in a more facetious way because I knew RetroGuy and Lorimar would see that, as they too love the Lost Girls (and he got what I meant, as we have been conversing for years so we can usually tell tone with each other [still not always, but usually] ). But of course tone is often an "epic fail" in text, so I see how you could interpret that as arrogant.

I don't agree with fans on a lot of shows, but I'm not going to use insults or say "they don't know what they're talking about" because it's just opinions in the end. We all have different opinions and that's normal when coming to interests.

Well, technically, she doesn't want to be like her mother in regards to toying with taken men. Playing with single Steve is different.

I see how their intention was to make Blair "the heavy" of the girls, but I don't dislike her there.

I just rewatched season 1 the other day and noticed all the changes Blair went through. I still think making fun of Cindy over how she is and putting ideas in her head is more cruel than anything the other girls ever did. Blair was a true mean girl to a T that pilot and first episode. I'm glad they changed her by the end of season 1.

I think '80s, above has answered you fairly well, but I want to add a few things.

Fans of the Lost Girls have had to listen for decades as TV moguls, Nancy NcKeon's agents, and Nancy McKeon fans have stated over and over that Nancy Mc/Jo singlehandedly "saved the show", even though we know that's not true and ratings had actually improved over summer 1980. Better writing, better sets, a bigger budget, actual promotion, and a different timeslot helped save the show. Nancy McKeon's tear-jerking scenes, and the focus on a fish-out-of-water new character certainly helped, but could never have singlehandedly done what these folks want us to believe. It's BS.

For years, we've had to listen to how "horrible" the Lost Girls were: dressed like puppets (Dominic and Britt), dressed like sluts (Margie and Linda), horrible Disney actors (Dominic and Britt), etc. We've had to listen to network executives exaggerate the number of girls ("ten, twelve girls") and talk about bad writing, as if that was the fault of the actresses.

If we here on this board disagree with Dominic's opinion, we are free to do so, and we will do so. This is even the correct thread in which to do so. And by providing commentary on where Dom and Britt are wrong, we have even provided further discussion fodder for them.

In this age of social media, fans of the show can finally voice their opinions on major social media platforms. Based on the YouTube comments, many thousands of people feel the same way we do, and it feels refreshing to be able to finally vent about critics, and even take them to task for things which are obviously not true, like Jo being the holy salvation of the show.

McKeon's Peons would have us believe that the show was garbage without Jo, but even Dominic and Britt have criticized some of the bad writing in Season 2. And Nancy McKeon herself has stated that she was a fan of the Lost Girls (in her words "the girls who didn't make it").

And I've listened to tons of fans bash Beverly Ann and season 8 but I never call their opinion of ignorance or not knowing what they are talking about. Like you with season 1, I love season 8 but not a lot of fans agree with my opinion. Retro, I disagree with you over season 8, but I never ridicule you for it. I'm not a huge fan of season 1 like you are but I don't say things that make you feel wrong for liking something that means a lot to you. It's fine to disagree with people, but what gives people the right to make fun of someone for how they feel? It just seems childish and uncalled for.

As I mentioned before, they're not facts how the Nancy fans feel or interpret things. It's just opinions. Everyone is entitled to opinions without being run down. And who cares what the Nancy fans or network executives say? How does their opinion affect you or what you like? The haters of season 8 and Beverly Ann don't stop me from watching it or liking it. Season 8 is one of the most watched seasons of mine. I'll always love the seasons (only talking about 5 - 8) fans make fun of and say are garbage. And I'm not going to waste time arguing with them and trying to make them see things my way. We can't force people to have the same opinion as us so why bother?

All good points, and I see your point about how the writers made all the girls kinda jerky at times.

Still, with the Core Four, we got to see both sides of their personalities: when they were heroes, kind, helpful, etc.... and when they were total biaches. With the Lost Girls and their declining parts, it seemed as though we saw less and less of their good sides, and more of them being rude, snarky, antagonistic, breaking promises, or even lying.

(And yes, '80s, I say that as a Lost Girls fan :lol: )

I don't think that had to do with the lost girls though. I think the writers needed girls to be seen as mean in certain scenes and offered the parts to the lost girls first without finding others. I think if the lost girls turned them down on doing the scene, they would have found other actresses to fill the parts.

I have more input on Sex Symbol. Yes the lost girls were acting mean, but look at how Natalie was acting. She was purposely seeking attention like that. I don't think the lost girls should be seen as mean when they were provoked by Natalie's behavior. She walks in the cafeteria "Hot stuff coming" and then goes in the kitchen with a bucket of trash stating, "Make way for the trash!" She was overdoing it big time. As for their jokes about Helen, we don't know much about that situation to know if the girls weren't provoked on that too.

Lorimar Television

03-25-2019, 06:28 PM

I agree that Blair was much crueler, especially in the pilot, than the lost girls ever were. Also yes, Natalie was pretty much trying to get a reaction out of people.

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 06:51 PM

I agree that Blair was much crueler, especially in the pilot, than the lost girls ever were. Also yes, Natalie was pretty much trying to get a reaction out of people.
Oh, definitely. Calling Cindy strange and insinuating she's a lesbian and worthy of ridicule, at such an early, vulnerable teenage age, away from the comfort and security of home, very cruel. But we don't "hate" Blair, because it's a new show and we're just getting to know the girls, and how Mrs. Garrett fits in among them.

The big thing with "Sex Symbol" was, years ago (maybe even 17 years ago back when The Nancy McKeon Fan Brigade let some of us get a few words in edge-wise), I've seen fans post here before how it was odd or unfair to make the Lost Girls suddenly be mean girls to Natalie, and why would the writers do that? Yes Natalie was thriving in the attention, but the fans were upset at the fact that Nancy, Sue Ann, and Cindy were being mean girls to Natalie and she had been their friend---that they should know her better than that, like Blair, Jo, and Tootie do. And they did live with her for a whole year prior to that.

Christopher

03-25-2019, 06:56 PM

I agree that Blair was much crueler, especially in the pilot, than the lost girls ever were.

One of the main reasons it bugs me how Blair acted is from what I see at the high school I work at. People try acting the way they want in a friendly manner and people make false assumptions over them and insinuate something that isn't real about the person. Much like Cindy in that episode, I see teens quite a bit questioning who they are or which gender they like because of some ******* like Blair putting doubts in their head making them think they are different in a bad way. They try changing how they act so that others will accept them. It's sad. I'm glad Mrs. Garrett called Blair out for her behavior because people need to be called out when they're being inhuman IMO. I'm surprise Blair was able to be receptive. Her character from the pilot and most of Rough Housing didn't seem open to accepting criticism and advice.

Christopher

03-25-2019, 07:10 PM

But we don't "hate" Blair, because it's a new show and we're just getting to know the girls, and how Mrs. Garrett fits in among them.

Especially since Blair became like the star of the girls in season one. Rewatching that season, the writers really liked her character making her pivotal in majority of the episodes.

The big thing with "Sex Symbol" was, years ago (maybe even 17 years ago back when The Nancy McKeon Fan Brigade let some of us get a few words in edge-wise), I've seen fans post here before how it was odd or unfair to make the Lost Girls suddenly be mean girls to Natalie, and why would the writers do that? Yes Natalie was thriving in the attention, but the fans were upset at the fact that Nancy, Sue Ann, and Cindy were being mean girls to Natalie and she had been their friend---that they should know her better than that, like Blair, Jo, and Tootie do. And they did live with her for a whole year prior to that.

Yeah, I was here during that time (God how fast those years went by) and yes there were some fans confused by that interaction in the episode. That's why I don't think it was originally intended for the lost girls to do that scene. I think they were offered the part and had they said no, they would have gotten other actresses to do the scene. It had more to do about people talking crap about Natalie with the rumors than who it was coming from how I interpreted that scene.

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 07:18 PM

Yeah, I was here during that time (God how fast those years went by) and yes there were some fans confused by that interaction in the episode. That's why I don't think it was originally intended for the lost girls to do that scene. I think they were offered the part and had they said no, they would have gotten other actresses to do the scene. It had more to do about people talking crap about Natalie with the rumors than who it was coming from how I interpreted that scene.

Yes, how fast!

And considering that, yeah, I wish then they would have gotten "random girls" to play other characters to say those lines, and let the Lost Girls be in another episode where they're their usual, friendly selves. After all, I think Jo even calls them "those jerks!"

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 07:23 PM

I'm surprised Blair was able to be receptive. Her character from the pilot and most of Rough Housing didn't seem open to accepting criticism and advice.
Perhaps she was masking/hiding some of her own pain.

Christopher

03-25-2019, 07:25 PM

After all, I think Jo even calls them "those jerks!"

She doesn't call them jerks. She does say she wants to hit someone and tells Natalie it's her she wants to hit.

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 07:34 PM

She doesn't call them jerks. She does say she wants to hit someone and tells Natalie it's her she wants to hit.
I feel pretty sure she does. She says something like, "Yeah, don't listen to those jerks!" I think she even says it while they're sitting at the table, and she gives them a look. Because I remember thinking, ouch, that's a little harsh on our Lost Girls. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking it was from that episode.

Christopher

03-25-2019, 07:47 PM

I feel pretty sure she does. She says something like, "Yeah, don't listen to those jerks!" I think she even says it while they're sitting at the table, and she gives them a look. Because I remember thinking, ouch, that's a little harsh on our Lost Girls. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was thinking it was from that episode.

I have the DVD rip on my computer. No where in the episode does Jo call them jerks. I do feel like that line "don't listen to those jerks" is something Jo has said in the show though. I'm just not certain what episode / scene it is from. Sorry. If it comes to me, I'll let ya know. So far I'm drawing a blank :(

RetroGuy2000

03-25-2019, 07:47 PM

I just rewatched season 1 the other day and noticed all the changes Blair went through. I still think making fun of Cindy over how she is and putting ideas in her head is more cruel than anything the other girls ever did. Blair was a true mean girl to a T that pilot and first episode. I'm glad they changed her by the end of season 1.

I think we all are, because the Blair that eventually developed during that first season ("No pictures, please!") turned out to be one of the most memorable and enjoyable characters of all time. Lisa was brilliant, and the producers were so smart to change Blair from a fast-talking naive girl from Texas to a snobby, rich girl, obsessed with her looks, from New York.

And I've listened to tons of fans bash Beverly Ann and season 8 but I never call their opinion of ignorance or not knowing what they are talking about.

If we're talking about an actual opinion, I agree with you.

But Dominic and Britt have said things like (paraphrased), "I won't mock Sue Ann because I don't want to upset the Julie Anne Haddock fans." That is simple ignorance. We aren't talking one-off characters, but characters who appeared in five of nine seasons.

Like you with season 1, I love season 8 but not a lot of fans agree with my opinion.

I find three Season 8 episodes magical: Episodes 1, 2, and 6. Mrs. Garrett's marriage and The Little Chill almost feel like classic Eastland to me. A return to the show's roots, for a few episodes: a focus on the original characters and not on the Spencer's Gifts knock-off-store.

I don't think that had to do with the lost girls though. I think the writers needed girls to be seen as mean in certain scenes and offered the parts to the lost girls first without finding others. I think if the lost girls turned them down on doing the scene, they would have found other actresses to fill the parts.

They definitely would have found other girls to play those parts, if Molly, Felice, Julie Anne, and Julie Pie hadn't agreed. We know this because other antagonistic girls were used in many, many other episodes: Margo, Boots, Kelly, etc.

I have more input on Sex Symbol. Yes the lost girls were acting mean, but look at how Natalie was acting. She was purposely seeking attention like that. I don't think the lost girls should be seen as mean when they were provoked by Natalie's behavior. She walks in the cafeteria "Hot stuff coming" and then goes in the kitchen with a bucket of trash stating, "Make way for the trash!" She was overdoing it big time. As for their jokes about Helen, we don't know much about that situation to know if the girls weren't provoked on that too.

More good points, especially about Natalie overemphasizing her "trashiness".

I'll always think of Cindy's line about bunking with Home Run Helen was particularly mean. HRH was standing right there!

I hope Mrs. G took them to task afterwards, and made them apologize to Home Run Helen, especially Cindy.

----

INT. SCENE - DORM B.

GARRETT and CINDY are standing next to a MIRROR of REFLECTION.

GARRETT: You girls may live over in Dorm B, but I heard what you said about Helen in the cafeteria. Cindy, you didn't like it last year when Blair made fun of you. But you're guilty of doing the same thing to Helen, now.

CINDY: But the other girls were making jokes, too...

GARRETT: I won't listen to excuses. Look in the mirror. Do you really want to be someone who makes fun of others for their sexuality? After what happened last year?

CINDY: (Looks in mirror) Gee, Mrs. Garrett... I guess you're right.I suppose I owe Helen an apology. But how?

GARRETT: Cindy, do you think Helen is doing... what people say she's doing... because she's happy? Or do you think she's just very lonely here at Eastland? Remember how lonely you were, when you first came to Eastland, before you realized these girls are your family?

CINDY: But Helen's really popular --

GARRETT: Popular...? Or busy?

CINDY: ...I guess you're right. Oh, Mrs. Garrett, I really messed up. How do I fix it?

GARRETT: Oh, you'll think of a way... (winks)

----

INT. SCENE - CAFETERIA

HELEN is sitting at her TABLE, alone.

CINDY: (walks up) Hey Helen.

HELEN: Uh... hey.

CINDY: Can I sit with you?

HELEN: Uh... sure.

CINDY: (pulls up a chair) I wanted to apologize for what I said about you the other day. I got carried away with the other girls... and... well, what I said was rotten, and I'm sorry.

HELEN: Thanks, Cindy. (she smiles)

CINDY: I wanted to make things up to you. The girls and I are throwing a party over in Dorm B tonight. Do you want to come over?

HELEN: I think I'd like that. (brightens)

CINDY: Great. We're gonna have pizza, and -- (She is interrupted by the approach of a gaggle of girls, including SUE ANN, NANCY, and MOLLY, carrying trays, each with a rice pudding dessert)

GIRLS: (Ad. lib Hey! Hi! Let's make it a fast finish, etc.)

CINDY: Hey guys. I just invited Helen to the party tonight.

MOLLY: Great! Maybe you can help us fix the TV. It's been on the fritz since last year, when Mr. Bradley supposedly "fixed" it.

SUE ANN: Speaking of Mr. Bradley, (lowers voice) did you hear about him and Miss Mahoney? (everyone REACTS)

CINDY: Um... guys... Haven't we learned our lesson about gossiping about others?

ALL: (pause) NAH!!!!

(FADE to BLACK as audience APPLAUDS and we END SCENE)

:lol:

RetroGuy2000

03-25-2019, 07:50 PM

Yes, how fast!

And considering that, yeah, I wish then they would have gotten "random girls" to play other characters to say those lines, and let the Lost Girls be in another episode where they're their usual, friendly selves. After all, I think Jo even calls them "those jerks!"

That's Tootie's line.

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 09:32 PM

That's Tootie's line.
That's it! Yes, I can hear season 2 Tootie looking at them and saying that now, than you.

I'll always think of Cindy's line about bunking with Home Run Helen was particularly mean. HRH was standing right there!
But Cindy didn't know Helen was right there. That's the difference. Cindy was engaging in "kitchen table talk" (the fact this being in the cafeteria notwithstanding), and as soon as her bestie Sue Ann signals that Helen is actually right there, Cindy immediately acts discreet at getting "caught"---whereas Blair was willfully bullying face-to-face. Cindy shows us she never would have ever talked about someone to their face.

RetroGuy2000

03-25-2019, 10:16 PM

That's it! Yes, I can hear season 2 Tootie looking at them and saying that now, than you.

No worries. Like you, I have that episode basically memorized.

But Cindy didn't know Helen was right there. That's the difference. Cindy was engaging in "kitchen table talk" (the fact this being in the cafeteria notwithstanding), and as soon as her bestie Sue Ann signals that Helen is actually right there, Cindy immediately acts discreet at getting "caught"---whereas Blair was willfully bullying face-to-face. Cindy shows us she never would have ever talked about someone to their face.

Just behind their back. Which, IMO, is even worse. You want to talk **** about someone, do it to his/her face where they can actually defend themselves, not behind the backs, and not where they can hear you, but you're not actually talking to them, and they have to act like they didn't hear you, but they actually did (look at HRH's face after Cindy's comment. She heard what Cindy said). Cindy, Sue Ann, and Nancy needed a good ole Mrs. Garrett :heart:2:heart:

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 10:18 PM

"Just behind their back." --- I knew you were gonna say that, lol. But everyone engages in "kitchen table talk" (and that doesn't have to be insulting someone). And this wasn't behind her back, as she was right there. But it was supposed to be behind her back. One could argue it was Helen's fault, for not making her presence known (kidding ;) , but someone could debate that if they wanted to, lol).

If you want people to say stuff to your face, that's your choice, but frankly, if someone says something about me, I'd rather not know it. Keep it away from me.

RetroGuy2000

03-25-2019, 10:41 PM

"Just behind their back." --- I knew you were gonna say that, lol.

You know me very well.

But everyone engages in "kitchen table talk" (and that doesn't have to be insulting someone).

But that table talk did embarrass and humiliate someone. Cindy must apologize.

And this wasn't behind her back, as she was right there. But it was supposed to be behind her back. One could argue it was Helen's fault, for not making her presence known (kidding ;) , but someone could debate that if they wanted to, lol).

'80s! You know better! :nonono:

If you want people to say stuff to your face, that's your choice, but frankly, if someone says something about me, I'd rather not know it. Keep it away from me.

You'd really want people gossiping about you, and saying mean things behind your back? I don't believe it. You may prefer to have someone talk behind your back over saying it to your face, but in the case of the Lost Girls Clique in "Sex Symbol", none of that even had to happen.

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 10:49 PM

You'd really want people gossiping about you, and saying mean things behind your back? I don't believe it. You may prefer to have someone talk behind your back over saying it to your face
Definitely. "Ignorance is bliss". I've had experience before with a foreign co-worker in a department I was in telling lies about, not just me, but everyone else in the department. But, another co-worker who was from the same country as her would keep telling me the things she was saying about me, which made me angry. And she would say "But don't tell her I told you" which had me feeling so frustrated, unable to get justice, because any kind of confrontation would have just upset some apple carts. This person knew not to believe her, but I hated the thought of others maybe believing this stupid stuff. So I finally had to tell the other one (the one who would repeat things to me), look, whatever lies she tells you about me, don't tell me anymore. I don't wanna hear it. So, yes, ignorance is bliss. If she couldn't be stopped from doing it and she did it about everyone, well, some people may have been able to brush it off, but it bothered me too much, so I chose not to be in the know of that crap anymore.

but in the case of the Lost Girls Clique in "Sex Symbol", none of that even had to happen.
Yeah, but that's the writers' fault.

RetroGuy2000

03-25-2019, 10:59 PM

Definitely. "Ignorance is bliss". I've had experience before with a foreign co-worker in a department I was in telling lies about, not just me, but everyone else in the department. But, another co-worker who was from the same country as her would keep telling me the things she was saying about me, which made me angry. And she would say "But don't tell her I told you" which had me feeling so frustrated, unable to get justice, because any kind of confrontation would have just upset some apple carts. This person knew not to believe her, but I hated the thought of others maybe believing this stupid stuff. So I finally had to tell the other one (the one who would repeat things to me), look, whatever lies she tells you about me, don't tell me anymore. I don't wanna hear it. So, yes, ignorance is bliss. If she couldn't be stopped from doing it and she did it about everyone, well, some people may have been able to brush it off, but it bothered me too much, so I chose not to be in the know of that crap anymore.

Aw, '80s, so sorry that happened!

Yeah, but that's the writers' fault.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

If we're talking in-fiction discussion, it's Cindy's fault.

'80sSitcoms

03-25-2019, 11:04 PM

Aw, '80s, so sorry that happened!
Thanks.

If we're talking in-fiction discussion, it's Cindy's fault.
Hmm, maybe it's Sue Ann's? Maybe Helen is in her view, and she should have said something. ;)

RetroGuy2000

03-25-2019, 11:25 PM

EIGHTIES!!!!!

Lorimar Television

03-26-2019, 01:08 AM

I think we all are, because the Blair that eventually developed during that first season ("No pictures, please!") turned out to be one of the most memorable and enjoyable characters of all time. Lisa was brilliant, and the producers were so smart to change Blair from a fast-talking naive girl from Texas to a snobby, rich girl, obsessed with her looks, from New York.

If we're talking about an actual opinion, I agree with you.

But Dominic and Britt have said things like (paraphrased), "I won't mock Sue Ann because I don't want to upset the Julie Anne Haddock fans." That is simple ignorance. We aren't talking one-off characters, but characters who appeared in five of nine seasons.

I find three Season 8 episodes magical: Episodes 1, 2, and 6. Mrs. Garrett's marriage and The Little Chill almost feel like classic Eastland to me. A return to the show's roots, for a few episodes: a focus on the original characters and not on the Spencer's Gifts knock-off-store.

They definitely would have found other girls to play those parts, if Molly, Felice, Julie Anne, and Julie Pie hadn't agreed. We know this because other antagonistic girls were used in many, many other episodes: Margo, Boots, Kelly, etc.

More good points, especially about Natalie overemphasizing her "trashiness".

I'll always think of Cindy's line about bunking with Home Run Helen was particularly mean. HRH was standing right there!

I hope Mrs. G took them to task afterwards, and made them apologize to Home Run Helen, especially Cindy.

----

INT. SCENE - DORM B.

GARRETT and CINDY are standing next to a MIRROR of REFLECTION.

GARRETT: You girls may live over in Dorm B, but I heard what you said about Helen in the cafeteria. Cindy, you didn't like it last year when Blair made fun of you. But you're guilty of doing the same thing to Helen, now.

CINDY: But the other girls were making jokes, too...

GARRETT: I won't listen to excuses. Look in the mirror. Do you really want to be someone who makes fun of others for their sexuality? After what happened last year?

CINDY: (Looks in mirror) Gee, Mrs. Garrett... I guess you're right.I suppose I owe Helen an apology. But how?

GARRETT: Cindy, do you think Helen is doing... what people say she's doing... because she's happy? Or do you think she's just very lonely here at Eastland? Remember how lonely you were, when you first came to Eastland, before you realized these girls are your family?

CINDY: But Helen's really popular --

GARRETT: Popular...? Or busy?

CINDY: ...I guess you're right. Oh, Mrs. Garrett, I really messed up. How do I fix it?

GARRETT: Oh, you'll think of a way... (winks)

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INT. SCENE - CAFETERIA

HELEN is sitting at her TABLE, alone.

CINDY: (walks up) Hey Helen.

HELEN: Uh... hey.

CINDY: Can I sit with you?

HELEN: Uh... sure.

CINDY: (pulls up a chair) I wanted to apologize for what I said about you the other day. I got carried away with the other girls... and... well, what I said was rotten, and I'm sorry.

HELEN: Thanks, Cindy. (she smiles)

CINDY: I wanted to make things up to you. The girls and I are throwing a party over in Dorm B tonight. Do you want to come over?

HELEN: I think I'd like that. (brightens)

CINDY: Great. We're gonna have pizza, and -- (She is interrupted by the approach of a gaggle of girls, including SUE ANN, NANCY, and MOLLY, carrying trays, each with a rice pudding dessert)

GIRLS: (Ad. lib Hey! Hi! Let's make it a fast finish, etc.)

CINDY: Hey guys. I just invited Helen to the party tonight.

MOLLY: Great! Maybe you can help us fix the TV. It's been on the fritz since last year, when Mr. Bradley supposedly "fixed" it.

SUE ANN: Speaking of Mr. Bradley, (lowers voice) did you hear about him and Miss Mahoney? (everyone REACTS)

CINDY: Um... guys... Haven't we learned our lesson about gossiping about others?

ALL: (pause) NAH!!!!

(FADE to BLACK as audience APPLAUDS and we END SCENE)

:lol:

Haha very cute and cheesy! Love it.