I'm talking of course about Mark Chapman, who has spent 38 years incarcerated in the Attica Correctional Facility after the fatal shooting on December 8, 1980. In the next few days his tenth application for parole will be considered, having been denied on all nine previous occasions. His wife, a devout Christian, has stood by him. He had previously insinuated that Jesus has forgiven him for his crime. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/wife-of-john-lennons-killer-reveals-why-she-stood-by-him-despite-his-violent-abuse-during-their-marriage/ar-BBLtbUn?ocid=spartanntp

Here is the background for those unfamiliar with the case: https://youtu.be/0kF-pLQ2VCY

No. He has obvious mental problems and would be a danger to society.

No. He has obvious mental problems and would be a danger to society.
Do you think if he hadn't shot such a famous person he would have been released by now? Is his case vastly different from John Hinckley Jr? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3740534/Tastes-like-freedom-gray-haired-paunchy-John-Hinckley-enjoys-Subway-sandwich-released-mental-institution.html

Do you think if he hadn't shot such a famous person he would have been released by now? Is his case vastly different from John Hinckley Jr? https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/10/would--reagan-assassin-john-hinckley-jr-released-mental-hospital/90191312/

Hinckley attempted to kill President Ronald Reagan. I fail to see your point here.

Hinckley attempted to kill President Ronald Reagan. I fail to see your point here.
Well they both killed famous people but one has been let out after an extensive incarceration and the other hasn't.

I dunno...he killed John Lennon because he was insane...I won't doubt he'll be denied again!

I dunno...he killed John Lennon because he was insane...I won't doubt he'll be denied again!
I don't know whether he was in a psychosis in December 1980. I don't think that's the case now as he told the parole board in 2016 that his crime was "premeditated, selfish and evil." In 2010 they gave two reasons for not releasing him, namely that "release remains inappropriate at this time and incompatible with the welfare of the community." This suggest to me that they thought he had not served long enough, or they were hiding behind that reason in sensing the public outrage were he to be released. The second reason suggests that they might think he was a reoffending risk.

I don't know whether he was in a psychosis in December 1980. I don't think that's the case now as he told the parole board in 2016 that his crime was "premeditated, selfish and evil." In 2010 they gave two reasons for not releasing him, namely that "release remains inappropriate at this time and incompatible with the welfare of the community." This suggest to me that they thought he had not served long enough, or they were hiding behind that reason in sensing the public outrage were he to be released. The second reason suggests that they might think he was a reoffending risk.

I also heard he read Catcher in the Rye before killing John Lennon.

I also heard he read Catcher in the Rye before killing John Lennon.
Yes as apparently did John Hinckley Jr.

Well they both killed famous people but one has been let out after an extensive incarceration and the other hasn't.

You do realize President Reagan didn't die after John Hinckley Jr. shot him right? He survived for several years after that to serve two terms as President of The United States.

Ed.

You do realize President Reagan didn't die after John Hinckley Jr. shot him right? He survived for several years after that to serve two terms as President of The United States.

Ed.
Yes sorry Ed you're quite right. Does that make a difference in the sentencing and release date of the individuals concerned?

Yes sorry Ed you're quite right. Does that make a difference in the sentencing and release date of the individuals concerned?


It makes a definite difference in sentencing which I think is crazy. If you shoot someone meaning to kill them, the crime is the intent, not how good a shot you are.

Chapman should have been released right after he murdered John Lennon. He wouldn't have made it ten feet before someone killed him. Now, he might be able to sneak off without getting whacked. He'll either die in prison or some dopey liberal parole panel will feel sorry for him when he's old and let him out. Murderers (and attempted murderers) should be executed timely. That would be a true deterrent and ensure they couldn't commit another violent crime.

It makes a definite difference in sentencing which I think is crazy. If you shoot someone meaning to kill them, the crime is the intent, not how good a shot you are.

Chapman should have been released right after he murdered John Lennon. He wouldn't have made it ten feet before someone killed him. Now, he might be able to sneak off without getting whacked. He'll either die in prison or some dopey liberal parole panel will feel sorry for him when he's old and let him out. Murderers (and attempted murderers) should be executed timely. That would be a true deterrent and ensure they couldn't commit another violent crime.
It does seem astonishing that the Tennessee guy who murdered the little girl has been on Death Row since 1986, whether you agree with the death penalty or not. It also seems strange as an outsider that some states have the death penalty and others don't, but then I suppose that's democracy at the local level.

^^^ Wow. If a person has been on death row since 1986, why is it even called death row when its takes so long to carry out a person's death sentence?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

John Lennon's murder was definitely premeditated . Chapman knew what he was going to do. He should have been executed years ago. Instead the taxpayers have been paying his room and board for almost 40 years. That's ridiculous!

I hope he never gets released and stays in jail for the rest of his life.

John Lennon's murder was definitely premeditated . Chapman knew what he was going to do. He should have been executed years ago. Instead the taxpayers have been paying his room and board for almost 40 years. That's ridiculous!
Did they have the death penalty in New York and would it have been a deterrent?

Did they have the death penalty in New York and would it have been a deterrent?


I don't know what the law was in New York at that time. But why issue a death penalty if there was none? Maybe someone here who lives there can answer the question?:confused:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/exclusive-imagine-john-lennons-killer-denied-parole-a-10th-time-will-remain-in-prison-at-least-another-two-years/ar-BBMlO15?ocid=spartanntp

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/exclusive-imagine-john-lennons-killer-denied-parole-a-10th-time-will-remain-in-prison-at-least-another-two-years/ar-BBMlO15?ocid=spartanntp

Denied parole. :clap: He will be eligible again in 2 years:mad:

Manson family member Leslie Van Houten was also denied parole in California.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-leslie-van-houten-20180629-story.html#

Denied parole. :clap: He will be eligible again in 2 years:mad:

Good! He shouldn't even get parole at all after what he did.

I don't know what the law was in New York at that time. But why issue a death penalty if there was none? Maybe someone here who lives there can answer the question?:confused:


Unfortunately NYS has had no death penalty law since the 1970's. Laws were passed but the liberals were always able to thwart them. A main reason not to vote democrat or liberal.

Manson family member Leslie Van Houten was also denied parole in California.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-leslie-van-houten-20180629-story.html#

Good. Let the rest of the Charles Manson Family die out.

Unfortunately NYS has had no death penalty law since the 1970's. Laws were passed but the liberals were always able to thwart them. A main reason not to vote democrat or liberal.

Yes. As a Christian, I too support the death penalty.

If the man has no remorse, then his current residence should be his permanent one.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Should he be given the death sentence? I say let the other lifers take care of him to where he wishes that he was dead.

If the man has no remorse, then his current residence should be his permanent one.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Should he be given the death sentence? I say let the other lifers take care of him to where he wishes that he was dead.
Actually I believe he has expressed remorse and found Jesus, but either the Parole Board has found cause to withhold parole or they have been leant upon by the authorities to keep him incarcerated. I hope it's the former.