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JamesG 05-29-2018, 01:16 PM Roseanne Barr Apologizes To Obama Aide for “Apes” Remark, Vows To Leave Twitter
by Denise Petski
May 29, 2018
Roseanne Barr says she is leaving Twitter after apologizing for calling Valerie Jarrett, a former adviser to President Barack Obama, an offspring of the “Muslim Brotherhood & Planet of the Apes.”
Barr apologized then vowed to leave Twitter. About five minutes later she expanded on her apology. “I apologize to Valerie Jarrett and to all Americans,” Barr tweeted. “I am truly sorry for making a bad joke about her politics and her looks. I should have known better. Forgive me-my joke was in bad taste.”
She has not tweeted anything since.
http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-barr-apologizes-obama-aide-apes-remark-leave-twitter-1202399025/
Reactions to Roseanne Barr's Racist Tweet
by Greg Evans
May 29, 2018
Roseanne Barr’s noxious, racist tweet likening former Barack Obama aide Valerie Jarrett to a Planet of the Apes character has drawn quick condemnation from Hollywood, including from her ex-husband Tom Arnold, while former Fox News host Eric Bolling tweeted — then deleted — that the Roseanne star owed no apology.
Arnold, replying to a post by CNN’s Brian Stelter, called Barr’s tweets “dangerous”, while MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough tweeted: “There is no apology she can make that justifies @ABC turning a blind eye to this bigotry by airing another second of her show. Even in the Age of Trump, there are red lines that can never be crossed. This is one.”
Lawrence O'Donnell
Everyone fell for Roseanne’s big premiere rating. Ratings collapsed after that (as they almost always do).
Rosanne’s ratings aren’t worth today’s burden for Disney & ABC.
They don’t have to be brave to cancel her. Maybe they just have to be good business executives.
Rev. Al Sharpton
The comparison by Rosanne Barr on ABC of Former Obama aide, Valerie Jarrett to an APE is racist and inexcusable. ABC must take action NOW!
Patricia Arquette:
I am repulsed that Valerie Jarret had that racist and bigoted "joke" made at her expense and I am sickened that any Black or Muslim person has to keep hearing this sickness in 2018.
http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-tweet-reactions-tom-arnold-don-cheadle-joe-scarborough-1202399035/
Wanda Sykes Says She’s Leaving "Roseanne" after Star’s Racially Charged Tweet
by Erik Pedersen
May 29, 2018
As the outcry swells over Roseanne Barr’s vile tweet about former Barack Obama aide Valerie Jarrett, Wanda Sykes tweeted today that she is leaving ABC’s "Roseanne" revival, on which she served as a writer and consulting producer.
"I will not be returning to @RoseanneOnABC."
http://deadline.com/2018/05/wanda-sykes-quits-roseanne-racist-tweet-roseanne-barr-1202399109/
BeatleMoe 05-29-2018, 02:00 PM ABC announced it has cancelled the series.
JamesG 05-29-2018, 02:46 PM ABC Cancels "Roseanne" Revival after Barr's Racist Tweet
by Lisa de Moraes and Nellie Andreeva
May 29, 2018
ABC has abruptly canceled Roseanne Barr’s hit comedy series revival following a morning in which the star launched a tirade of racist and anti-semitic tweets.
“Roseanne’s Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show,” ABC Entertainment chief Channing Dungey just announced.
http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-canceled-barr-abc-racist-tweets-1202399123/
tlc38tlc38 05-29-2018, 03:04 PM Why can't some people just learn to keep their mouth shut and to stay off social media with their opinions?! Honestly, it's not hard to do...
tlc38tlc38 05-29-2018, 03:18 PM Just wanted to add this to my post above:
I believe 100% in freedom of speech but when it hurts or harms someone else or if it's used for selfish reasons, it's used as a weapon and I'm not supportive of that.
Use your freedom for good.
principehomura 05-29-2018, 03:44 PM Always been on her side, always will, but there's no doubt she's totally wrong this time. She always said what passed through her mind without thinking twice, but today consequences are worse than ever.
Her political views aren't welcome on today's television, and a popular show from a creator who supports Trump is on the edge of a cliff; they were just waiting for her to make a faux-pas and holy moly she did a huge one.
I'm sorry not only for the show being canceled, but mostly on the whole media-people situation in America. If Twitter is a mirror of the reality, then the situation is just awful: it looks like a country on the verge of another civil war, where hundreds of thousand of people are waiting for someone saying something wrong and attack him like vultures.
The fact that ABC instantly pulled the show out of its schedule is a clear symptom that today angry people have too much power.
tlc38tlc38 05-29-2018, 03:46 PM Always been on her side, always will, but there's no doubt she's totally wrong this time. She always said what passed through her mind without thinking twice, but today consequences are worse than ever.
Her political views aren't welcome on today's television, and a popular show from a creator who supports Trump is on the edge of a cliff; they were just waiting for her to make a faux-pas and holy moly she did a huge one.
I'm sorry not only for the show being canceled, but mostly on the whole media-people situation in America. If Twitter is a mirror of the reality, then the situation is just awful: it looks like a country on the verge of another civil war, where hundreds of thousand of people are waiting for someone saying something wrong and attack him like vultures.
The fact that ABC instantly pulled the show out of its schedule is a clear symptom that today angry people have too much power.
Well said.
MrCleveland 05-29-2018, 03:58 PM Always been on her side, always will, but there's no doubt she's totally wrong this time. She always said what passed through her mind without thinking twice, but today consequences are worse than ever.
Her political views aren't welcome on today's television, and a popular show from a creator who supports Trump is on the edge of a cliff; they were just waiting for her to make a faux-pas and holy moly she did a huge one.
I'm sorry not only for the show being canceled, but mostly on the whole media-people situation in America. If Twitter is a mirror of the reality, then the situation is just awful: it looks like a country on the verge of another civil war, where hundreds of thousand of people are waiting for someone saying something wrong and attack him like vultures.
The fact that ABC instantly pulled the show out of its schedule is a clear symptom that today angry people have too much power.
Though NOT a fan of Roseanne...it seems that real soon you can't say "hello" without offending anyone! And only a small amount of people are up in arms...why can't they get a life?
Wawwie 05-29-2018, 04:01 PM Always been on her side, always will, but there's no doubt she's totally wrong this time. She always said what passed through her mind without thinking twice, but today consequences are worse than ever.
Her political views aren't welcome on today's television, and a popular show from a creator who supports Trump is on the edge of a cliff; they were just waiting for her to make a faux-pas and holy moly she did a huge one.
I'm sorry not only for the show being canceled, but mostly on the whole media-people situation in America. If Twitter is a mirror of the reality, then the situation is just awful: it looks like a country on the verge of another civil war, where hundreds of thousand of people are waiting for someone saying something wrong and attack him like vultures.
The fact that ABC instantly pulled the show out of its schedule is a clear symptom that today angry people have too much power.
Oh well. Roseanne brought this on herself, and she only has herself to blame.
tlc38tlc38 05-29-2018, 04:02 PM Though NOT a fan of Roseanne...it seems that real soon you can't say "hello" without offending anyone! And only a small amount of people are up in arms...why can't they get a life?
Because they're too busy on Facebook and Twitter... Social media can be just as dangerous and addictive as cigarettes, alcohol, or drugs. Have a mind of your own, don't rely on someone you're "following" to tell you what to do.
People need to remember this old saying: actions speak louder than words.
Very stupid of Roseanne. Too bad about everyone else losing their job over this.
MiracleHand 05-29-2018, 04:42 PM I detest the president and I also dislike how Roseanne has become in latter years bit it never stopped me from liking the show, aincluding the revival.
I honestly feel like instead of outright canceling the show, they should've done a Charlie Sheen or Valerie Harper and just end up killing Roseanne Connor in between seasons, renaming it "The Connors" or something like that, because the rest of the cast doesn't deserve to lose their gig because of Barr's inability to censor herself on Twitter. As long as I had Darlene and Jackie, I'm good. Roseanne of course is a character I always loved but if having to kill her off would be the way to keep everyone else going, I'd be down for it. Seeing Dan, Jackie and the children coming to terms with life without her would actually bring forth some great episodes.
Though NOT a fan of Roseanne...it seems that real soon you can't say "hello" without offending anyone! And only a small amount of people are up in arms...why can't they get a life?
I’m not a fan of her either.
Reruns pulled from Viacom networks
http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-pulled-viacom-cable-networks-tomorrow-1202399484/
Reruns pulled from Viacom networks
http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-pulled-viacom-cable-networks-tomorrow-1202399484/
I knew that would be coming eventually. Who is affected by this?
MRPITT 05-29-2018, 05:47 PM Always been on her side, always will, but there's no doubt she's totally wrong this time. She always said what passed through her mind without thinking twice, but today consequences are worse than ever.
This isn’t the first questionable racist thing she’s done can’t imagine what ABC was thinking they had to know she would show her racist side eventually. Good riddance.
stevea 05-29-2018, 05:49 PM Did ABC pull the plug immediately (i.e. it won't be on tonight or anymore at all)?
I knew that would be coming eventually. Who is affected by this?
I dunno if crew members receive syndication residuals, but the cast will be affected. Of course, cast and crew are out of a job with the new version, which really sucks. They shouldn't have to be punished for Roseanne's despicable behavior, and I say let the show go on by killing off her character. Rename it "The Conners" or "Lanford".
I wonder if Laff is now officially going to be pulling the show just like they did for A Different World.
Svenfan1234 05-29-2018, 05:58 PM I wonder if Laff is now officially going to be pulling the show just like they did for A Different World.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Here’s looking at you 3rd Rock From The Sun.
Retro4Life 05-29-2018, 06:01 PM Having the show go on without Roseanne would never work. It's like taking the noodles out of spaghetti and still calling it "spaghetti". The show is inherently and inextricably connected to her, and her persona, like it or not.
I doubt the decision was based on morality; most of this stuff isn't. It's a dollars and cents decision.
It's all a huge shame. I liked the first few years of her first show a LOT. Have not seen the new one, and I guess now I'm not going to.
tlc38tlc38 05-29-2018, 06:02 PM Pretty soon there will be no shows on TV if everything if pulled because of a stupid remark.
Yes, the comment was dumb but the show shouldn't be pulled.
stevea 05-29-2018, 06:06 PM I heard a talking head wondering if she's "all there." I must admit I had that thought before he said it.
Pretty soon there will be no shows on TV if everything if pulled because of a stupid remark.
Yes, the comment was dumb but the show shouldn't be pulled.
Why don’t you think the show should get pulled?
MiracleHand 05-29-2018, 06:10 PM I don't think this is a left vs. right issue, but racism is unacceptable and Roseanne went way too far with her tweets. She's been posting offensive things for awhile but this crossed the line. Charlie Sheen's a liberal and he too lost his job for over the top and hurtful comments so it goes both ways.
Retro4Life 05-29-2018, 06:19 PM I don't think this is a left vs. right issue, but racism is unacceptable and Roseanne went way too far with her tweets. She's been posting offensive things for awhile but this crossed the line. Charlie Sheen's a liberal and he too lost his job for over the top and hurtful comments so it goes both ways.
Agreed; you don't talk about another human being that way. Again, I'm not sure that ABC did this so much out of moral indignation as just business sense (advertisers will leave, etc) but either way it amounts to the same thing.
You can't compare a person to an ape and not expect consequences.
tlc38tlc38 05-29-2018, 06:27 PM Why don’t you think the show should get pulled?
Because if shows were pulled just because someone says something stupid, there'd be nothing on TV.
Because if shows were pulled just because someone says something stupid, there'd be nothing on TV.
I hope it doesn’t get pulled from Laff at least.
MRPITT 05-29-2018, 06:38 PM Because if shows were pulled just because someone says something stupid, there'd be nothing on TV.
I agree things shouldn’t be pulled when someone says something stupid.
However things should be pulled when someone says something racist. Which is what happened here.
Svenfan1234 05-29-2018, 06:38 PM Because if shows were pulled just because someone says something stupid, there'd be nothing on TV.
True. Roseanne was one of the only good new shows on, there aren't many these days.
Svenfan1234 05-29-2018, 06:39 PM I hope it doesn’t get pulled from Laff at least.
Yeah, hopefully not. And then will Antenna pull all the Johnny Carsons with Roseanne?
Torgo 05-29-2018, 06:39 PM Dang. I was really enjoying not watching it.
Yeah, hopefully not. And then will Antenna pull all the Johnny Carsons with Roseanne?
Laff just pulled Roseanne.
Dang. I was really enjoying not watching it.
Not a fan of the show?
Svenfan1234 05-29-2018, 06:44 PM Laff just pulled Roseanne.
What's on instead? Everything I look up says it's still on tonight on Laff.
Torgo 05-29-2018, 06:44 PM Not a fan of the show?
Enjoyed the original, before they won the lottery and the show became ridiculous. Watched the first episode of the reboot, didn't laugh once.
What's on instead? Everything I look up says it's still on tonight on Laff.
Night Court.
MrCleveland 05-29-2018, 07:22 PM Dang. I was really enjoying not watching it.
This was one of the few shows that I know that was banned from my house...and this was in the 90's.
My mother, God Rest Her Soul...made a wise choice.
Babalu 05-29-2018, 07:23 PM Pretty soon there will be no shows on TV if everything if pulled because of a stupid remark.
No, I have no doubt that ABC was waiting for the first excuse to do this. Roseanne defending Trump was intolerable to the Hollywood left. The politically correct (blacks, women, gays) can say whatever they want about the non-politically correct (whites, men, straights) but when you insult across politically correct lines you are gone. If Roseanne was black and she said whites were the devil she'd still have a show and be defended by the network for exercising her right of free speech.
Roseanne is off of Hulu now.
AMackII 05-29-2018, 07:48 PM Too Bad the revival of Roseanne never lasted long thanks to a recent racist tweet that Roseanne Barr just said.
Wawwie 05-29-2018, 07:57 PM No, I have no doubt that ABC was waiting for the first excuse to do this. Roseanne defending Trump was intolerable to the Hollywood left. The politically correct (blacks, women, gays) can say whatever they want about the non-politically correct (whites, men, straights) but when you insult across politically correct lines you are gone. If Roseanne was black and she said whites were the devil she'd still have a show and be defended by the network for exercising her right of free speech.
Whatever.... Roseanne Barr has been in showbiz for DECADES and she knows how the game is played. She should have known better and kept her thoughts to herself. But she was too STUPID and she's got nobody to blame but herself.
Wanda Sykes quits Roseanne after Roseanne Barr's racist tweet (http://tvline.com/2018/05/29/wanda-sykes-roseanne-leaving-season-11-writer/)
Sykes, a consulting producer on the ABC revival, tweeted (https://twitter.com/iamwandasykes/status/1001494592649342979?tfw_site=TVLine&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftvline.com%2F2018%2F05%2F29%2Fwanda-sykes-roseanne-leaving-season-11-writer%2F) "I will not be returning to @RoseanneOnABC" hours after Roseanne Barr apologized for a tweet (https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2018/05/29/roseannevalerie.JPG) in which she called former Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett a child of Muslim Brotherhood and the movie Planet of the Apes. Barr later apologized, calling the tweet a "bad joke" and vowing to leave Twitter (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001470384556752898). Barr's tweet prompted some viewers to demand ABC take action (https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a20952397/roseanne-barr-racist-tweet-valerie-jarrett/). Meanwhile, celebrities like Tom Arnold and Rosie O'Donnell slammed the tweet (http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-tweet-reactions-tom-arnold-don-cheadle-joe-scarborough-1202399035/). Sykes is the second high-profile writer/producer to exit the Roseanne revival following Whitney Cummings' exit 10 days ago.
ALSO:
Modern Family executive producer Danny Zuker (https://twitter.com/DannyZuker/status/1001510936182636544): "I wrote on the original 'Roseanne' where we used to denounce nativism, racism & homophobia. Nauseating to see what she's become. Looking forward to continue not watching this show."
Father of Fresh Off the Boat star Hudson Yang points out Barr has compared a black Obama administration official to an ape before (https://twitter.com/originalspin/status/1001510487358521344)
ABC cancels Roseanne after Roseanne Barr's racist tweet (http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-canceled-barr-abc-racist-tweets-1202399123/)
"Roseanne’s (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/64942-roseanne-domestic-goddess-of-all-media/?page=7) Twitter statement is abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values, and we have decided to cancel her show (https://www.datalounge.com/thread/21302422-breaking-rosanne-canceled!).” ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey said in a statement following the furor over Barr comparing former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett to an ape in a tweet (https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2018/05/29/roseannevalerie.JPG) this morning. Barr apologized soon after and vowed to quit Twitter. This is the first time ABC has taken action (https://twitter.com/THR/status/1001526881232064514) in response to Barr's controversial tweets. ABC's cancelation came less than two hours after consulting producer Wanda Sykes quit the show. This isn't the first time Barr has compared a black Obama administration official to an ape. In 2013, she tweeted that Susan Rice "is a man with big swinging ape balls." A half hour before ABC announced its cancelation (https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/abc-cancels-roseanne-roseanne-barrs-agents-cancel-her-as-a-client-too.1617598/), Sara Gilbert reacted to her TV mom's racist tweet (http://tvline.com/2018/05/29/sara-gilbert-roseanne-statement-racist-tweet-season-11/): "Roseanne’s recent comments about Valerie Jarrett, and so much more, are abhorrent and do not reflect the beliefs of our cast and crew or anyone associated with our show. I am disappointed in her actions to say the least. This is incredibly sad and difficult for all of us, as we’ve created a show that we believe in, are proud of, and that audiences love— one that is separate and apart from the opinions and words of one cast member."
ALSO:
Disney CEO Bob Iger praised the cancelation: "There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing" (https://twitter.com/RobertIger/status/1001523982997143552)
Emma Kenney was planning to quit the show after Roseanne's tweet (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/roseanne-barr-targets-obama-adviser-racially-charged-planet-apes-tweet-1115319): "I am hurt, embarrassed, and disappointed. The racist and distasteful comments from Roseanne are inexcusable... As I called my manager to quit working on Roseanne, I found out the show got cancelled. I feel so empowered by @iamwandasykes , Channing Dungey and those at ABC standing up against abuse of power and lack of values. Bullies do not win. Ever."
Shonda Rhimes tweeted praise for ABC's decision (https://twitter.com/shondarhimes): "Thank you, Channing...The terrible part is all of the talented innocent people who worked on that show now suffer because of this. #notjustice...But honestly she got what she deserved. As I tell my 4 year old, one makes a choice with one’s actions. Roseanne made a choice. A racist one. ABC made a choice. A human one."
Showrunner Bruce Helford responds to cancelation (http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-showrunner-bruce-helford-reaction-roseanne-barr-racist-tweets-series-cancellation-abc-1202399328/): "On behalf of all the writers and producers, we worked incredibly hard to create an amazing show. I was personally horrified and saddened by the comments and in no way do they reflect the values of the people who worked so hard to make this the iconic show that it is."
Roseanne Barr dropped by her agency (http://tvline.com/2018/05/29/roseanne-barr-racist-tweets-controversy-agency-fired/): "We are all greatly distressed by the disgraceful and unacceptable tweet from Roseanne Barr this morning"
Black-ish creator Kenya Barris says "Bye-bye!!!" on Instagram (http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/shonda-rhimes-kenya-barris-rita-moreno-reacts-to-roseanne-cancellation.html)
Rita Moreno calls Roseanne "a sorry excuse for a human being...Your meanness is staggering and will earn you a ticket to a sad, lonely and sorry life" (https://twitter.com/TheRitaMoreno/status/1001516269995200513)
Valerie Jarett was already scheduled to appear on MSNBC tonight as part of a "Everyday Racism in America" special (https://twitter.com/MSNBCPR/status/1001531251856236544)
ABC deserves praise for quickly canceling Roseanne: "This is how you teach civil and moral behavior" (http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bs-fe-zontv-roseanne-cancelled-abc-20180529-story.html)
In fact, ABC deserves "double praise" for a "clean, quick, moral call in a corporate media world drowning in executives talking out of both sides of their mouths," says David Zurawik of ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey's statement that Roseanne Barr's racist tweet is "abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with our values." Zurawik adds: "After decades of seeing network executives bend themselves into knots trying to keep bad people in hit shows on the air, I salute Dungey and ABC for ditching a show (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/70684-roseanne-aftermath/?page=3) that came out of nowhere to make tens of millions of dollars for the network. This is how you teach civil and moral behavior: You make people who transgress the way Roseanne did pay a huge price. You make them pariahs no matter how much it hurts your bottom line."
ALSO:
Roseanne reruns yanked from Paramount Network, TV Land, CMT -- and Hulu (http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/29/roseanne-reruns-yanked-from-hulu-viacom-channels/)
Roseanne Barr's ugly hatred isn't new. ABC's rejection of it, however, is (http://variety.com/2018/biz/columns/roseanne-barr-racist-tweet-abc-cancel-1202824441/): "That the show’s star had become a rabid conspiracy theorist who used her platform to push baseless rumors was brushed off like a mere annoyance, like Barr was an embarrassing grandma the network tolerated with an affectionate eye roll because hey, she’s family," says Cynthia Littleton. "That she had previously made racist statements like the one she made Tuesday was straight-up ignored. The inconvenient truth of the matter is that while the (Valerie) Jarrett insult was particularly awful, it wasn’t a particularly unusual statement for Barr to make. It was, despite her apology that she 'should have known better,' exactly in line with the persona Barr herself has cultivated — one ABC had to be aware of when it decided to get back in business with her."
This was the problem all along: Having Roseanne back meant having Roseanne back (https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/abc-wanted-a-contrarian-on-mainstream-tv-roseanne-was-never-right-for-the-job/2018/05/29/7c5d3e18-636e-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html): "If we’ve learned anything from this," says Hank Stuever, "it’s that Roseanne is Roseanne is Roseanne. TV still needs a contrary, can*tankerous character from which to tell the story of American life and politics in 2018. But Barr was never the right person for that job."
Did Channing Dungey being the first black woman network entertainment president make a difference? (https://slate.com/culture/2018/05/canceling-roseanne-wasnt-the-only-possible-decision-but-it-was-the-right-one.html): "We can never know for sure what would have happened if a white person were in charge of ABC at this moment," says Willa Paskin, "but it strikes me that that person would have been much more likely to administer the aforementioned wrist slap, continuing to put up with the polarizing circus act that is Barr. Dungey, instead, saw Roseanne’s tweet comparing a black woman to an ape for what it was: too much, too far, enough."
Last August, Dungey said Roseanne's son would take over her Twitter feed (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/critics-notebook-abcs-roseanne-cancellation-a-predictable-tale-frog-scorpion-1115530): "Why was ABC comfortable with Barr's son running a gross Twitter feed in her name, one that featured a verified check mark and was assumed to be coming from Roseanne? Why was that better?" asks Daniel Fienberg. "When did that experiment with her son running the Twitter feed end? Did anything change? Why does it matter? And why DIDN'T ABC ask Barr to take a break from Twitter? Or to take a break from specific aspects of her Twitter?" Fienberg adds: "Roseanne Barr's Twitter feed has been abhorrent, repugnant and inconsistent with what should have been ABC and Disney's values since long before the show was picked up, and also subsequently. Barr's Twitter feed has trafficked in vile and disproved conspiracy theories and ample content that walked lines many considered racist or xenophobic or prejudiced or judgement-clouded in a number of ways. She's engaged in hostile and insulting fights with Twitter followers high and low. She's shown no interest in controlling herself."
Dungey's decision feels like a gutsy move (http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/roseanne-cancelled-why-abc-made-the-right-choice.html): "It looks like a stand against racism, a line drawn in the sand to delineate what is reasonable and what is not. It even looks like a data point in the 'How do we separate the art from the artist?' debate," says Kathryn VanArendonk, "and it offers a heartening answer: We don’t have to, because, in this case, ABC will not finance that artist. It’s somehow even more heartening because it comes from a massive corporate conglomerate that might lose money by making this decision. It feels remarkably just. It feels decent."
ABC doesn't deserve all this praise for Roseanne's cancelation when they put her back on TV following her history of racist/homophobic/Islamophobic tweets (https://splinternews.com/the-praise-for-abcs-cancellation-of-roseanne-could-not-1826398592)
Valerie Jarrett responds to Roseanne Barr tweet on MSNBC's "Everyday Racism in America" forum, calling it "a teaching moment" (http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/roseanne-valerie-jarrett-2-1202824585/)
ABC suspends Roseanne's Emmy campaign (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/abc-suspends-roseanne-emmys-fyc-campaign-1115419)
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders declined to address Roseanne's cancelation, saying there "a lot bigger things going on in the country right now" (https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1001571544987066374)
Roseanne's cancelation leaves a huge crater on ABC's fall schedule (http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/roseanne-schedule-cancellation-abc-1202824475/)
Inside the cancelation: Dungey made the decision with Disney CEO Bob Iger's support -- Disney feared Barr's tweet would hurt its diversity efforts (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/business/media/roseanne-barr-offensive-tweets.html)
Carsey-Werner Television sees its syndication revenue vanish with axing of Roseanne and The Cosby Show reruns (http://www.showbiz411.com/2018/05/29/second-stunning-blow-for-producer-of-roseanne-and-cosby-as-syndication-revenue-vanishes)
Michael Fishman tweeted he's "devastated" (https://twitter.com/ReelMFishman/status/1001549722274820096): "I feel devastated, not for the end of the Roseanne show, but for all those who poured their hearts and souls into our jobs, and the audience that welcomed us into their homes...The words of one person do not exemplify the thinking of all involved...I condemn these statements vehemently."
Tom Arnold praises ABC for Iger for cancelation, saying "I called out Roseanne Barr & her dangerous tweets" (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-ex-tom-arnold-applauds-roseanne-cancellation/)
Bill O'Reilly says ABC had no choice but to cancel Roseanne (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bill-oreilly-abc-had-to-cancel-roseanne-after-stars-racist-tweet): "@ABC/@Disney could not continue with the show without insulting millions of Americans"
ABC quickly removed all traces of Roseanne from its website (https://twitter.com/viaCristiano/status/1001545756619264001)
Roseanne could've brought in $60 million in ad revenue next season (https://www.thewrap.com/roseanne-60-million-ad-revenue-channing-dungey-barr-valerie-jarrett/)
A rerun of The Middle will replace tonight's scheduled rerun of Roseanne (https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1001559783886016517)
Celebrities suggest Roseanne-less Roseanne reboot ideas (https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1001559783886016517)
Charlie Sheen suggests filling ABC's Roseanne timeslot with a Two and a Half Men reboot (https://theblast.com/charlie-sheen-roseanne-reboot-two-and-a-half-men/)
Before Roseanne was canceled, many media outlets bent over backwards to not use the word "racist" to describe Roseanne's tweet (https://splinternews.com/the-praise-for-abcs-cancellation-of-roseanne-could-not-1826398592)
rcbrad 05-29-2018, 08:26 PM What ever happened to decency? I guess she cannot control herself or she is just very stupid. She has let down a lot of people. Come on grow up!
I guess I should not be surprised but I have noticed that many Trump and FOX entertainment supporters think that this behavior is just fine!!??
What ever happened to decency? I guess she cannot control herself or she is just very stupid. She has let down a lot of people. Come on grow up!
I guess I should not be surprised but I have noticed that many Trump and FOX entertainment supporters think that this behavior is just fine!!??
ABC really had no choice but to pull the show. If they initially stood by Roseanne, then that would give people (in particular, sponsors) the indication that they're supporting her racism. The truth of the matter is in this day and age, you cannot say anything that's going to stir up controversy, and not expect that huge corporations are going to respond.
IllinoisTVFan 05-29-2018, 11:35 PM Never a fan of her but John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf are talented. I find it funny that she bashed someone else's looks when she's a slob herself.
RetroGuy2000 05-30-2018, 12:11 AM What a sad situation for the rest of the cast and crew of the show. It was the right decision for ABC to make, but I feel terrible for the crew.
No, I have no doubt that ABC was waiting for the first excuse to do this. Roseanne defending Trump was intolerable to the Hollywood left. The politically correct (blacks, women, gays) can say whatever they want about the non-politically correct (whites, men, straights) but when you insult across politically correct lines you are gone. If Roseanne was black and she said whites were the devil she'd still have a show and be defended by the network for exercising her right of free speech.
Yeah, no. Referring to white people as the devil is nowhere near as bad as referring to a black person as an ape.
Nice try, but Roseanne has a history of being crude, and that's just in the couple of months since her sitcom came back. You can whine about this being a Hollywood left issue, and play the victim, but her comments were reprehensible and ABC got tired of it, as they should.
Impressions 05-30-2018, 12:27 AM While this new initially shocked and saddened me at first, it was ethically the right thing to do given Roseanne Barr's unethical, hateful, mean-spirited character and racist remarks.
ABC should have saw this coming a mile away and they knew she was a right-wing theorist before they even started working with her. She's been doing outrageous things, including making casually racist remarks on her Twitter feed for several years now. It only took something blatantly racist for her to say while the show was still on the air for them to finally take action. Essentially, they were letting what she said in the past slide, and making profits off of it, which was wrong.
Sure, her views don't reflect the show, but it's a straight-up PR nightmare for her to say these things while the show is on and ABC has got an image to protect. They just don't want to associate with her anymore.
While I wish the show could go without her, I doubt this show will ever get back on its feet. It just sucks to see it all end like this with the cast and crew taking a big hit.
I don't think it's right for networks and streaming services to pull the original reruns off the air. I don't believe in censorship, and while I can understand they're doing this so Roseanne doesn't get royalties from the show and they got their image to protect, I find it all-around petty and hypocritical. How come Nick at Nite or TV Land didn't do this earlier when she took that photo of herself as Hitler pulling burnt cookies out of the oven? Now they're finally acting because someone else did? Makes sense. Are studios gonna pull the DVDs off the shelves next? :rolleyes:
No, I have no doubt that ABC was waiting for the first excuse to do this. Roseanne defending Trump was intolerable to the Hollywood left. The politically correct (blacks, women, gays) can say whatever they want about the non-politically correct (whites, men, straights) but when you insult across politically correct lines you are gone. If Roseanne was black and she said whites were the devil she'd still have a show and be defended by the network for exercising her right of free speech.
Are you seriously defending her racism? Sickening. This has nothing to do with with being left or right, white or black, gay or straight, woman or man, politically correct or politically incorrect. What she said was racist no matter how you identify.
And no, if she was black and made that remark, it wouldn't be tolerated either. What she said was hate speech, which is NOT protected by the first amendment.
What a sad situation for the rest of the cast and crew of the show. It was the right decision for ABC to make, but I feel terrible for the crew.
It’s sad that people lost work over this but it's hard not to blame Roseanne herself for all of it. ABC was very generous to even bring back her show in the first place. Most comedians who haven't had a single hit show or movie in the two decades+ interim since would never be given that chance. It was a huge risk that appeared to pay off in the short-term. But then this notoriously difficult person whose mental health noticeably deteriorated over the years went and did what everyone else saw (or should've seen (https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/abc-wanted-a-contrarian-on-mainstream-tv-roseanne-was-never-right-for-the-job/2018/05/29/7c5d3e18-636e-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html)) coming from miles away. The only truly shocking thing about all of this was how quickly ABC canned her. They and their advertisers were probably inundated with negative feedback.
RetroGuy2000 05-30-2018, 12:45 AM It’s sad that people lost work over this but it's hard not to blame Roseanne herself for all of it. ABC was very generous to even bring back her show in the first place. Most comedians who haven't had a single hit show or movie in the two decades+ interim since would never be given that chance. It was a huge risk that appeared to pay off in the short-term. But then this notoriously difficult person whose mental health noticeably deteriorated over the years went and did what everyone else saw (or should've seen (https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/abc-wanted-a-contrarian-on-mainstream-tv-roseanne-was-never-right-for-the-job/2018/05/29/7c5d3e18-636e-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html)) coming from miles away. The only truly shocking thing about all of this was how quickly ABC canned her. They and their advertisers were probably inundated with negative feedback.
I agree that the only one to blame here is Roseanne herself. If she believed those things, she could have kept them to herself. There are consequences to freedom of speech, and I think it's a hard lesson to learn... one I thought she had learned back when she "sang" the national anthem.
Babalu 05-30-2018, 03:43 AM Yeah, no. Referring to white people as the devil is nowhere near as bad as referring to a black person as an ape.
So says you. Liberals bash conservatives on TV 24 hours a day and liberals are perfectly fine with that.
Corkys-Place 05-30-2018, 05:09 AM Why can't some people just learn to keep their mouth shut and to stay off social media with their opinions?! Honestly, it's not hard to do...
Here! Here! and in the process dozens of the show's crew and the remaining cast would still have their jobs.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/roseanne-cast-and-crew-in-shock-as-roseanne-bar-apologizes-for-cancellation-exclusive/ar-AAy0qfm?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/celebrity/stars-react-to-roseannes-cancellation/ss-AAxZGpN?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Wawwie 05-30-2018, 08:15 AM So says you. Liberals bash conservatives on TV 24 hours a day and liberals are perfectly fine with that.
Words of wisdom! You are so witty! What kind of world do we live in that frowns on folks for calling black people apes?
You should start calling all black people that you see "apes." See what happens.
Yong Fang 05-30-2018, 08:44 AM Thinking about this all day, and now I am really angry at Roseanne Barr and would love to give her a swift kick in the ass. I for one have enjoyed this revival series, especially for John Goodman. I was looking forward to more Beverly (who banged Jim Ignatowski) and possibly maybe getting to see Martin Mull and Fred Willard. To see what their mystery youngest son was like. So many ways this show could have gone and Roseanne messes it up.
Really makes me sad because there are few shows that I like, and I really liked this show for the most part.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/roseanne-trashes-former-cast-members-%e2%80%98you-throw-me-under-the-bus%e2%80%99/ar-AAy1fEX?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Babalu 05-30-2018, 10:44 AM Words of wisdom! You are so witty! What kind of world do we live in that frowns on folks for calling black people apes?
You should start calling all black people that you see "apes." See what happens.
Perfect example of your twisted thinking. Nowhere did I say that calling blacks apes was acceptable. But liberals are only offended by what offends them. A white person insults blacks and it's the end of the world. But Farrakhan is their friend.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/valerie-jarrett-responds-to-roseannes-racist-twitter-rant-a-teaching-moment/ar-AAy0m57?ocid=iehp
lakesgirl 05-30-2018, 10:55 AM 227468
ABC did the right thing. Good riddance.
dynoguy88 05-30-2018, 11:42 AM When the reboot started, I thought it was insulting to diehards of the show to ever believe the character of Roseanne Connor would be a Trump supporter. He's exactly the type of man she used to tear to shreds. But I put that all aside and watched the show anyway for nostalgic purposes. Even when they dropped the political stuff after the first episode, the reboot only got an occasional chuckle here and there. The writing was never sharp, crisp and hilarious like the original.
ABC did the right thing. And I feel horribly for the cast because they were so happy to be working together again and now they've had the rug pulled out from under them. The ones who have spoken out so far, Sarah Gilbert, Michael Fishman and Emily Kinney, immediately condemned the comments made by Roseanne and now she's accusing them of throwing her under the bus...
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/roseanne-barr-attacks-cast-members-130102854.html
I guess it wasn't hard to see this coming. She's been tweeting out some offensive and sometimes batsh*t crazy stuff on twitter for a while now. If it wasn't yesterday, it would have been some other time. In the end, this was inevitable.
Roseanne has nobody but herself to blame. Although she's trying to say it was the Ambien talking, which proves she still doesn't get it. The maker of Ambien went on twitter an hour ago and stated: "Racism is not a side effect of our drug."
http://tvline.com/2018/05/30/roseanne-barr-ambien-racist-joke-twitter-controversy/
Wawwie 05-30-2018, 12:40 PM Perfect example of your twisted thinking. Nowhere did I say that calling blacks apes was acceptable. But liberals are only offended by what offends them. A white person insults blacks and it's the end of the world. But Farrakhan is their friend.
You are the one who is twisting logic by comparing. It doesn't matter because no matter what it is wrong. Roseanne was WRONG no matter how you want to spin it and no matter what you compare it with.
bigg300 05-30-2018, 01:23 PM Was the Successful Show that Charlie Sheen was in,(Two and a Half Men) cancelled? No, the Execs of that "successful" show moved on with a replacement for Charlie Sheen. That was "real" Executive judgement and thinking.
Wawwie 05-30-2018, 01:29 PM Was the Successful Show that Charlie Sheen was in,(Two and a Half Men) cancelled? No, the Execs of that "successful" show moved on with a replacement for Charlie Sheen. That was "real" Executive judgement and thinking.
Maybe it's different because "Two And A Half Men" isn't Charlie Sheen's very own show. "Roseanne" is Roseanne Barr's show.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-responds-to-roseanne-cancellation/ar-AAy1N9r?ocid=iehp
So says you. Liberals bash conservatives on TV 24 hours a day and liberals are perfectly fine with that.
There’s a little known network called Fox News that is equally as bad with the shoe being on the other foot. What if I told you I gave up on all cable news because they all distort their facts for ratings? If you think Fox is any better than CNN, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Oh and by the way, I’m black and don’t consider anyone like Farrakhan or even Al Sharpton to be my “friend”. I think many other blacks don’t find their rhetoric to be that helpful.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/roseanne-update-abc-may-consider-putting-costars-in-new-show/ar-AAy233G?ocid=spartanntp
Babalu 05-30-2018, 02:53 PM There’s a little known network called Fox News that is equally as bad with the shoe being on the other foot. What if I told you I gave up on all cable news because they all distort their facts for ratings? If you think Fox is any better than CNN, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Oh and by the way, I’m black and don’t consider anyone like Farrakhan or even Al Sharpton to be my “friend”. I think many other blacks don’t find their rhetoric to be that helpful.
Well Al Sharpton has his own TV show. Al Sharpton also perpetrated the Tawana Brawley hoax and egged on a murderer to set fire to a store in Harlem.
https://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/nineteen-years-ago-al-sharpton-incited-the-massacre-at-freddys-fashion-mart/
Does David Duke have a TV show on a major network? As long as you're a black liberal you can do no wrong in the eyes of other liberals.
Wawwie 05-30-2018, 03:00 PM Well Al Sharpton has his own TV show. Al Sharpton also perpetrated the Tawana Brawley hoax and egged on a murderer to set fire to a store in Harlem.
https://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/nineteen-years-ago-al-sharpton-incited-the-massacre-at-freddys-fashion-mart/
Does David Duke have a TV show on a major network? As long as you're a black liberal you can do no wrong in the eyes of other liberals.
Yes, you make so much sense seeing as how none of this has anything to do with Roseanne Barr. :rolleyes: :crazy:
Nice attempt at deflecting.
Wawwie 05-30-2018, 03:04 PM Well Al Sharpton has his own TV show. Al Sharpton also perpetrated the Tawana Brawley hoax and egged on a murderer to set fire to a store in Harlem.
https://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/nineteen-years-ago-al-sharpton-incited-the-massacre-at-freddys-fashion-mart/
Does David Duke have a TV show on a major network? As long as you're a black liberal you can do no wrong in the eyes of other liberals.
You are like one of those twisted weirdos who defends a murderer by saying "Well, at least he's no Ted Bundy."
Your aim is to change the subject with nonsense that has nothing to do with the original topic.
Well Al Sharpton has his own TV show. Al Sharpton also perpetrated the Tawana Brawley hoax and egged on a murderer to set fire to a store in Harlem.
https://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/nineteen-years-ago-al-sharpton-incited-the-massacre-at-freddys-fashion-mart/
Does David Duke have a TV show on a major network? As long as you're a black liberal you can do no wrong in the eyes of other liberals.
Maybe you should go back and read the part where I said a lot of black people aren't fans of Al. Is he annoying? Yes. Is he as bad as a KKK grand wizard? Only to insecure people as yourself who try to find racism in everything a minority does to justify white people's racism.
I see no reason to continue this discussion, as you insist on defending people like Roseanne and make equate this to anything liberals or minorities do. Good luck in finding a clue.
Babalu 05-30-2018, 03:23 PM You are like one of those twisted weirdos who defends a murderer by saying "Well, at least he's no Ted Bundy."
Your aim is to change the subject with nonsense that has nothing to do with the original topic.
Once again you twist everything I say. I never watched the Roseanne show. I don't care if it's cancelled or not. What I don't like is that Roseanne is cancelled for insulting blacks yet people that insult whites are given a pass. i guess your ilk isn't capable of such 'complex' thinking.
MrCleveland 05-30-2018, 03:46 PM As someone who's disabled...I find some words offensive like "stupid", "******", or "idiot". I'll vent about it, but if Roseanne said those words to the disabled...she'd get the boot as well.
I do feel that calling someone...of any ethnic group a "monkey", "ape", or "gorilla" IS unnecessary!
How would Roseanne feel if they called her "tubby", "Fat", or even worse? Would she eat it up or would she get offended?
Babalu 05-30-2018, 03:55 PM As someone who's disabled...I find some words offensive like "stupid", "******", or "idiot". I'll vent about it, but if Roseanne said those words to the disabled...she'd get the boot as well.
I do feel that calling someone...of any ethnic group a "monkey", "ape", or "gorilla" IS unnecessary!
How would Roseanne feel if they called her "tubby", "Fat", or even worse? Would she eat it up or would she get offended?
Well, Bill Maher called Donald Trump an orangutan but that's OK because Donald Trump is a Republican and deserves it. Anyone see Bill Maher get fired for that?
Roseanne Barr tweets "Don't feel sorry for me," retweets fans calling ABC hypocritical (https://www.mediaite.com/online/roseanne-resurfaces-on-twitter-and-you-will-absolutely-believe-what-happened-next/)
Twelve hours after she apologized and tweeted "I am now leaving Twitter," (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001470384556752898) and nine hours after ABC canceled her hit show, Roseanne Barr was back on Twitter expressing remorse for her show's cancelation: "Don't feel sorry for me, guys!!-I just want to apologize to the hundreds of people (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001660453506830336), and wonderful writers (all liberal) and talented actors who lost their jobs on my show due to my stupid tweet," she tweeted. Roseanne also urged her followers to "Please don't start all of that boycott abc stuff," (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001685490704273408) adding:" "guys I did something unforgiveable so do not defend me (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001678566298406912). It was 2 in the morning and I was ambien tweeting-it was memorial day too-i went 2 far & do not want it defended-it was egregious Indefensible." Barr's statement followed her retweeting a slew of her Twitter followers who called ABC hypocritical for its cancelation. They pointed to Joy Behar likening Vice President Mike Pence's faith to mental illness on The View, or to Whoopi Goldberg wearing a T-shirt of Trump shooting himself -- which has proven to be fake (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whoopi-goldberg-wears-violent-trump-shirt/). Earlier in the evening, Roseanne retweeted racist memes of Valerie Jarrett (https://www.thedailybeast.com/roseanne-sorry-for-my-stupid-tweet-but-here-it-is-again) in defending her comparison of the former Obama advisor to Planet of the Apes. Roseanne also expressed ignorance of the racism in her original tweet by tweeting of Jarrett, "i thought she was saudi." But Roseanne did directly apologize to Jarrett (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1001674489250402305) via Twitter, tweeting: "@ValerieJarrett i don't know if u saw it, but I wanted2 apologize to u 4 hurting and upsetting u with an insensitive & tasteless tweet. I am truly sorry-my whole life has been about fighting racism. I made a terrible mistake wh caused hundreds of ppl 2 lose their jobs. so sorry!" UPDATE: Roseanne targeted her colleagues overnight, including Michael Fishman, Sara Gilbert and Wanda Sykes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2018/05/30/roseanne-barr-lashes-out-at-co-stars-blames-wanda-sykes-you-throw-me-under-the-bus/?utm_term=.76552936b65e). "You throw me under the bus. nice!" Roseanne tweeted of Sykes, adding: “her tweet made ABC very nervous and they cancelled the show (http://www.nickiswift.com/124333/real-reason-abc-canceled-roseanne/).” Meanwhile, Twitter mocked Roseanne for her Ambien defense (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roseanne-ambien-defense_us_5b0e471ae4b0802d69cf87b9).
ALSO:
Watch Roseanne Barr and the head of ABC joke about her tweets at ABC upfronts two weeks ago (https://thinkprogress.org/exclusive-watch-abc-kick-off-pitch-to-advertisers-with-jokes-about-roseannes-offensive-tweets-d4928fbc8712/)
How ABC decided to pull the plug on Roseanne (http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/29/media/abc-disney-roseanne-barr/index.html): Tuesday's tweet was considered "unsurvivable" -- this was the third or fourth time her tweets presented a problem for ABC
President Trump didn't mention Roseanne during a rally Tuesday night in Nashville (http://deadline.com/2018/05/donald-trump-roseanne-racist-tweet-rally-abc-cancels-1202399486/)
Roseanne executive producer Tom Werner says he hopes Barr "seeks the help she so clearly needs" (http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-producer-tom-werner-hopes-roseanne-barr-seeks-help-reaction-1202399626/)
Roseanne Season 10 contracts included provisions for reckless personal conduct (https://theblast.com/roseanne-contracts-provisions-reckless-conduct-offending-community/)
Valerie Jarrett received an apology call from Disney CEO Bob Iger before the cancelation (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/valerie-jarrett-speaks-out-about-roseanne-tweet-call-from-disney-ceo-bob-iger/): “He apologized. He said that he had zero tolerance for that sort of racist, bigoted comment, and he wanted me to know before he made it public that he was canceling the show," she said on MSNBC's "Everyday Racism in America" special.
Why Roseanne Barr's bigotry finally became a liability (https://www.buzzfeed.com/annehelenpetersen/roseanne-abc-cancelled-tweet-bigotry-liability): "Barr’s tweet didn’t suddenly show ABC — or her agency, ICM, which also dropped her as a client — that she was bigoted," says Anne Helen Peterson. "That much was abundantly clear to anyone who wasn’t willfully attempting to convince themselves otherwise. Rather, it showed that her bigotry, like all bigotry, is not a matter of a mischosen word. It’s not a slip-up or an isolated instance. It’s a worldview, and it’s a pathogen: It can be covered up and it can be ignored, but it can’t — without major substantive, contemplative, and personal work — be controlled. And to be uncontrollable in Hollywood is to render yourself a liability to the brand and, even worse, to the bottom line."
Roseanne's son predicted her downfall -- and supported her view of Jarrett (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/roseanne-son-made-racially-charged-posts-obama-aide-article-1.4015538): "Mom will probably Be called racist and fired for this cuz *******s think Muslims are a race but omg is it funny and true hahahahahaha"
Jimmy Kimmel -- who referred to ABC as "Roseanne-istan" at upfronts -- called the cancelation a "huge blow...we don't have much on this network" (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jimmy-kimmel-roasts-abc-for-canceling-roseanne-this-was-a-huge-blow?source=articles&via=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29)
Trevor Noah blames President Trump "because he makes all of his supporters think they’re as impervious as he is" (https://www.thedailybeast.com/daily-shows-trevor-noah-blames-trump-for-roseannes-racism)
Jordan Klepper mocks Roseanne Barr defenders and their referencing the first amendment (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jordan-klepper-mocks-roseanne-defenders-first-amendment-grants-everyone-the-right-to-a-sitcom)
ABC Entertainment president Channing Dungey didn't make the decision alone, but it is striking that she was the one who condemned Roseanne Barr (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/business/media/channing-dungey-roseanne.html)
ABC's rejected pilots starring Kat Dennings or Ginnifer Goodwin could end up filling the Roseanne void (http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-cancellation-abc-fall-schedule-changes-pilots-schooled-ginnifer-goodwin-1202399680/)
What about a Roseanne-less Roseanne? Why few would watch that kind of show (https://www.salon.com/2018/05/29/the-steep-consequences-of-abcs-bet-on-roseanne-barr/)
Barr had long expressed openly racist ideas on Twitter, but there is only a renewed interested in them now because ABC amplified her voice with this reboot (https://www.thedailybeast.com/abc-gave-roseanne-barrs-racism-a-megaphone-what-did-it-expect)
Alec Baldwin thinks Roseanne deserves another chance (https://imgur.com/a/YSfpPS4): He proposes she give half her salary to the NAACP and her character be forced to confront her real-life actions
In the long term, keeping Roseanne on air made no sense, especially with its declining ratings and lack of back-end revenue (https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/5/29/17406210/roseanne-canceled-abc-valerie-jarrett-roseanne-barr)
John Goodman was photographed looking glum following news of cancelation (http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/29/john-goodman-looks-depressed-after-roseanne-canceled/)
Impressions 05-30-2018, 08:51 PM Well, Bill Maher called Donald Trump an orangutan but that's OK because Donald Trump is a Republican and deserves it. Anyone see Bill Maher get fired for that?
I will agree that Bill Maher gets away with more because he is liberal...whether the orangutan comment is racist is up for debate (I didn't find it offensive myself but that doesn't excuse it) but I think if he was conservative and said racist stuff and was not on premium cable, he'd be cancelled for that comment. So yeah, the liberal media does cherry pick based on circumstances...so you have a point. For example, remember when Bill called Ice Cube the N word on his how, yet HBO didn't bat an eye, and took no action to cancel the show? He apologized, yet his still wasn't cancelled. I think liberals do have privileges because most of Hollywood is liberal. So yes, it's probably unprecedented to cancel a show based on an actor's Twitter feed but they were right for doing it because the things Roseanne says are dangerous and racist and it was bound that Roseanne was going to continue ripping people apart, so they nipped it in the bud before more damage was done.
IllinoisTVFan 05-30-2018, 09:34 PM Once again you twist everything I say. I never watched the Roseanne show. I don't care if it's cancelled or not. What I don't like is that Roseanne is cancelled for insulting blacks yet people that insult whites are given a pass. i guess your ilk isn't capable of such 'complex' thinking.
Anyone who attacks a whole race is despicable no matter the race. I don't like Farrakhan (in fact I have stories about him and his scams), or Jesse Jackson Sr and Jr (I lost a job due to them), or Al Sharpton of any of the race baiters and I don't know many black people who like any of them either, especially Farrakhan.
Calling Trump an orangutan isn't offensive because Maher isn't saying all white people look like one. This was after Trump insulted people so why can he insult but others can't?
Babalu 05-30-2018, 10:03 PM Calling Trump an orangutan isn't offensive because Maher isn't saying all white people look like one. This was after Trump insulted people so why can he insult but others can't?
I didn't see the original statement but I thought that Roseanne only called Valerie Jarret a name, not the whole black race. How is that different from what Maher said about Trump?
IllinoisTVFan 05-30-2018, 11:21 PM I didn't see the original statement but I thought that Roseanne only called Valerie Jarret a name, not the whole black race. How is that different from what Maher said about Trump?
No Roseanne attacked black people and Muslims. That is different than what Maher called Trump. Basically Maher calling Trump names is the same as Trump calling other people names.
OH Nuts! 05-30-2018, 11:48 PM I’m not surprised by Roseanne’s tweet. I always knew she was bat-sh*t crazy from the get go. She’s done stuff like this before. The lady needs a good stiff Thorazine cocktail.
And she’s THE LAST person who should be talking about another’s looks. She isn’t exactly Elizabeth Taylor.
Continuing Roseanne without Roseanne Barr is "a long shot" -- "possible but not probable" (http://deadline.com/2018/05/roseanne-spinoff-chances-sara-gilbert-tom-werner-abc-1202400297/)
Executive producer Tom Werner is expected to meet with showrunner Bruce Helford and Sara Gilbert in a few days after cooling off from the Tuesday's abrupt cancelation "to kick around possible ideas for continuing the show without Barr," according to Deadline. It makes sense for Carsey-Werner Television, which owns and produces Roseanne, to want to keep the series going since the stars are already under contract for next season and they love working together. "Still, there are a lot of hurdles, from coming up with a concept that will live up to the high creative bar set by the original series to changing the name of the show," reports Deadline's Nellie Andreeva, pointing out that ABC is not involved in any discussions to continue the series without Barr. She adds: "An informed source close to the situation said pulling off an offshoot series with the rest of the Roseanne cast is 'possible but not probable.' Another source called it 'a long shot.' If it comes together, Roseanne 2.0 would likely not be ready for fall. if it doesn’t, the focus will shift to who will get paid for the aborted Season 11. I hear there have been no conversations yet with the Roseanne cast, writers or crew about compensation but such talks should be forthcoming if the Hail Mary pass to salvage the show does not work." There is also the issue of Barr and her Twitter account. She's already attacked co-stars (http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/roseanne-attacks-cast-members-twitter-cancellation-1201969522/) Michael Fishman and Gilbert. If Roseanne carries on without Barr, says Andreeva, her "shadow will be looming large in the background."
ALSO:
ABC/Disney could be on the hook for "tens of millions of dollars" since Roseanne stars should get their full Season 2 paycheck -- but it's unclear if the writers will be paid (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/roseanne-cancellation-aftermath-who-gets-paid-1115881)
Roseanne writer Bruce Rasmussen says "it was just brutal" being connected with the show (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/business/media/working-on-roseanne-show.html): "It was hard for us once we started airing and we started to see some of the stuff that came out. It was just brutal: ‘How dare they give her a show? How dare they write for her?’ It was a certain amount of pressure. You’re the No. 1 show, and people are coming after you on the web and you’re getting attacked by 50 percent of the press.”
A writer's assistant says Roseanne Barr was unlike her Twitter persona in the writers' room: pleasant and considerate (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/what-it-was-like-to-work-on-roseanne_us_5b0dff1ae4b0568a880f9527)
Why Roseanne without Roseanne Barr won't work (https://decider.com/2018/05/30/roseanne-without-roseanne-barr/): "There’s a reason why the Roseanne reboot was so popular, for better or worse: Roseanne Barr," says Joel Keller. "Her unique stamp on her original show built up millions of fans over the nine years it was on the air the first time around, and the 25 years it was on in syndication." Plus, he adds, "without Barr, they’d likely see The Connor Family as just a bunch of 'snowflakes' complaining about not having healthcare. Given Roseanne‘s ratings decline from its premiere as the show went on, losing almost half of the premiere’s audience, ABC likely would have seen a further decline as people checked out the re-reboot and decided to switch to something else."
Tom Arnold says Roseanne Barr "wanted" the cancelation to happen (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-arnold-roseanne-cancellation-she-wanted-it-happen-1115950): "If it hadn’t happened yesterday, this season would have been so awful for everyone every day because she would have felt like she was (being) taken advantage (of), just like when I left the show."
Jimmy Kimmel was criticized for defending Roseanne on Twitter (https://decider.com/2018/05/30/jimmy-kimmel-defends-roseanne-backlash/): "What @TheRealRoseanne said is indefensible, but angrily attacking a woman who is obviously not well does no good for anyone," he tweeted. "Please take a breath and remember that mental health issues are real. The Roseanne I know could probably use some compassion and help right now."
Why Sara Gilbert and Emma Kenney were "delusional," displaying "phony smarm," with their response to Roseanne's tweets (https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/how-roseanne-had-the-most-disastrous-endgame-in-tv-history-w520879)
Lecy Goranson tweets she's "devastated" by cancelation, "but more devastating are the effects of hate speech and racism on individuals and society" (http://tvline.com/2018/05/30/roseanne-cancelled-lecy-goranson-becky-reaction/)
Former Trump campaign aide wants to hire Roseanne Barr for his new online streaming platform (https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/roseanne-barr-mark-caputo-1202825514/)
A TV critic regrets not taking Roseanne Barr's past tweets seriously enough in her positive reviews of the Roseanne revival (http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/30/roseanne-revival-when-bad-people-happen-to-good-shows/)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar says "The Bad-Taste Joke defense just doesn’t work in this case" (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/kareem-abdul-jabbars-memo-roseanne-barr-bad-taste-joke-defense-doesnt-work-1115772): "You can’t have read a book or newspaper, watched a movie or a television show, or just lived in America for the past 200 years without knowing that any reference to an African-American and an ape is textbook racism. Also, her odd, inaccurate and deliberately inflammatory reference to the Muslim Brotherhood to her average Twitter follower will seem like a slam to all Muslims."
TV Guide magazine's 1989 cover featuring Roseanne Barr and Bill Cosby goes viral (https://www.tvinsider.com/693189/roseanne-cosby-show-tv-guide-cover-1989/)
Sean Conner 05-31-2018, 12:32 AM I didn't see the original statement but I thought that Roseanne only called Valerie Jarret a name, not the whole black race. How is that different from what Maher said about Trump?
Don't pretend to be so ignorant as to not know the racial history of calling black people monkeys and apes. It's been a term used for a century to racially belittle black people. That's the problem.
Roseanne isn't a dummie. She knows the history of the word. You'd have to be stupid not to.
I'm not condoning what Maher said but to compare the two completely trivializes the words as if they don't matter or aren't racist in intent. Maher wasn't being racist toward Trump, he was just being vile. Same as Roseanne has been toward Hillary and Obama for years without no one batting an eye. She's getting blowback because she used a historic racist attack to go after a black woman - and it's not the first time. She insinuated Susan Rice, another black woman, had giant ape balls. She's a disgusting, vile person. She's clearly also mentally unwell.
As for Maher, he doesn't work for ABC. Remember, they fired him too after he said something controversial back after 9/11.
IllinoisTVFan 05-31-2018, 01:24 AM I’m not surprised by Roseanne’s tweet. I always knew she was bat-sh*t crazy from the get go. She’s done stuff like this before. The lady needs a good stiff Thorazine cocktail.
And she’s THE LAST person who should be talking about another’s looks. She isn’t exactly Elizabeth Taylor.
I know, right? I see this often where the least attractive people bash people they deem unattractive, and usually the people bashed are better looking. Reminds me of this guy who probably weighed 400 pounds on a dating site who was calling women "fatties". Apparently he never looked in a mirror before.
MrCleveland 05-31-2018, 07:57 AM No Roseanne attacked black people and Muslims. That is different than what Maher called Trump. Basically Maher calling Trump names is the same as Trump calling other people names.
...and attacking Muslims is like you're planning your own funeral!
The Muslims take blasphemy of Mohammed VERY seriously!
I'm sooooo certain that Roseanne will get death threats by the Muslim people!
Impressions 05-31-2018, 08:10 PM Anyone find it ironic that a show that tried to preach tolerance got cancelled for intolerance? I'm gonna be honest, I found their attempts at tolerance pretty terrible too. Obviously the character had some teachable moments (which were poorly executed by the way 'cause there's jokes about Muslims being terrorists), yet the real Roseanne seems like she didn't learn anything from what the show said about tolerance. I honestly think Roseanne knew what she was tweeting but just likes stirring the pot. Also, from what I understand from her mental history, she has multiple personalities too, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. So that's why there's reports that she was kind and considerate on set, but another side of her is vicious on Twitter. Also, did anyone see her responses to her co-stars not defending her? Truly disgusting! She basically said the show meant 0 to her! So sad!
Roseanne Barr's racist tweet fallout has been baffling: Even Trump and Fox News didn't come to her defense (https://slate.com/culture/2018/05/roseanne-canceled-the-stars-online-racism-contrasted-the-shows-need-to-please.html)
Conservative outlets like Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/05/29/abcs-firing-of-roseanne-barr-over-racist-ape-comment-is-justified/) and Fox News used the "R-word" -- as in racist -- in describing Roseanne Barr's Valerie Jarrett tweet, as Lili Loofbourow points out. Sean Hannity blasted Barr (http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/389784-hannity-blasts-roseanne-over-racist-tweet-it-was-an-outrageous). And President Trump -- who told supporters that Roseanne's success "was about us" when it premiered -- opted not to stick up for Barr in wake of the cancelation, with his spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders saying "no one is defending her comments; they are inappropriate." (http://deadline.com/2018/05/donald-trump-roseanne-tweet-hollywood-grievances-list-press-briefing-sarah-huckabee-sanders-1202400264/) "It feels, to this viewer, that perhaps the last major chapter of whatever Roseanne meant to America has closed, and what’s left is the work of sorting through this clash between its star’s past progressivism and reactionary presentism," says Loofbourow. "It has been disorienting but instructive to watch the emphatic return and emphatic fall of Roseanne Barr, culture disruptor, at a time when our politics have been similarly disrupted. Barr and Trump are, after all, the yin and the yang of the story we tell about blue-collar America that’s long since stopped being true—both of them accruing capital by hearkening back to better times. Roseanne the reboot tried to do the same. Claims that the show was bravely addressing our divided political moment were ludicrously overblown. The show was funny because of how completely it side-stepped the way contemporary citizens engage with each other politically—a tendency best exemplified by its vitriolic creator, whose online conduct finally took the show down."
ALSO:
Late-night hosts mock Roseanne Barr's Ambien excuse with fake ads for the sleep medication (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/late-night-hosts-spoof-ambien-ads-roseanne-barr-tweet-1116024?)
Michael Moore posts 1998 footage of him sitting at a table with Donald Trump and Roseanne (https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1001917369365692422)
Roseanne's Ambien story almost makes sense: No, the drug doesn't make you racist, but its trips are really weird (https://slate.com/technology/2018/05/roseannes-ambien-story-almost-makes-sense.html)
What is the origin of "racially charged"? The phrase was used by many media outlets in early headlines on Roseanne's racist tweet (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/when-did-racially-charged-become-a-euphemism-for-racist.html)
MrCleveland 05-31-2018, 09:50 PM Anyone find it ironic that a show that tried to preach tolerance got cancelled for intolerance? I'm gonna be honest, I found their attempts at tolerance pretty terrible too. Obviously the character had some teachable moments (which were poorly executed by the way 'cause there's jokes about Muslims being terrorists), yet the real Roseanne seems like she didn't learn anything from what the show said about tolerance. I honestly think Roseanne knew what she was tweeting but just likes stirring the pot. Also, from what I understand from her mental history, she has multiple personalities too, but that doesn't excuse her behavior. So that's why there's reports that she was kind and considerate on set, but another side of her is vicious on Twitter. Also, did anyone see her responses to her co-stars not defending her? Truly disgusting! She basically said the show meant 0 to her! So sad!
I've also heard that Roseanne Barr was or is a supporter for the LGBTQ community...now...I dunno...she might as well say "It was their decision" though most people of the LGBTQ and their supporters will use the Lady Gaga song Born This Way!
John Goodman says "everything's fine" after Roseanne cancelation, but he hasn't been following Roseanne Barr's Twitter controversy (https://www.etonline.com/john-goodman-breaks-silence-after-roseanne-barr-controversy-exclusive-103260)
"I don't know anything about it. I don't read it," Goodman told Entertainment Tonight on Wednesday evening. He said he wasn't concerned that ABC was suspending Roseanne's Emmy campaign. "I wasn't gonna get an Emmy anyway," Goodman said, shrugging. "I've been up there (11) times already, and if I didn't get one I'm not gonna get one." Asked about speculation that Roseanne could come back without Roseanne Barr, Goodman said "you've heard more than I have." Also on Wednesday night, Barr tweeted of her former cast members (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1002003015308587008) Goodman and Laurie Metcalf: "I just wish ABC had not thrown two of the greatest actors in the world out with me-Laurie and John. I'm so sick over this-they will never have better character actors on their network."
"Just let it die": Roseanne shouldn't be revived with a "frankenshow" (http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/roseanne-barr-reboot-cancelled-legacy-1201969965/)
ABC made a "clean break" when it canceled Roseanne (https://www.tvtattle.com/item/ABC-cancels-Roseanne-after-Roseanne-Barrs-racist-tweet-LaS620) on Tuesday, says Michael Schneider. But talk of bringing it back without Roseanne Barr is "muddying the waters." "There are so many reasons why this is a bad idea: Continuing the show, albeit without her, still means she’s on the payroll as an executive producer," says Schneider. "Getting rid of the Conners and making it a new show — same cast, slightly different characters — would at least solve the problem of compensating Barr. But it would still face Roseanne comparisons, not to mention the stench of its demise — and it wouldn’t be the characters that audiences raced to see this spring, making it the No. 1 show of the season. For everyone associated with Roseanne, it’s already the only thing they’ll be asked about for the next six months. Why extend that indefinitely with a frankenshow, and one that there’s no guarantee audiences will even want to see?"
Roseanne Barr says "I begged" ABC not to cancel Roseanne: "Let me apologize" (https://pagesix.com/2018/05/31/roseanne-barr-begged-abc-to-keep-her-show-on-the-air/)
Roseanne continued tweeting throughout Thursday in response to Tuesday's cancelation, offering forgiveness to co-stars Michael Fishman and Sara Gilbert (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-forgives-sara-gilbert-michael-fishman/) for denouncing her tweet. She also recounted the Tuesday cancelation conversation she had with ABC Television Group president Ben Sherwood, with whom she appeared on stage two weeks earlier (https://thinkprogress.org/exclusive-watch-abc-kick-off-pitch-to-advertisers-with-jokes-about-roseannes-offensive-tweets-d4928fbc8712/) at ABC's upfronts. "I begged Ben Sherwood at ABC 2 let me apologize & make amends," Roseanne tweeted. "I begged them not to cancel the show (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1002327016174022656). I told them I was willing to do anything & asked 4 help in making things right. I'd worked doing publicity4 them 4free for weeks, traveling, thru bronchitis. I begged4 ppls jobs." In another tweet 25 minutes later, Roseanne added: "He said: what were you thinking when you did this? (https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/1002333347295576065) I said: I thought she was white, she looks like my family! He scoffed & said: 'what u have done is egregious, and unforgivable.' I begged 4 my crews jobs. Will I ever recover from this pain? omg" ALSO: Roseanne wants the phone numbers of Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Wolf so she can call them to apologize (http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/31/roseanne-valerie-jarrett-george-soros/).
Report: ESPN bosses are telling the network's most outspoken hosts to be careful on Twitter in wake of the Roseanne Barr controversy (https://nypost.com/2018/05/31/espn-warns-outspoken-talent-in-wake-of-roseanne-controversy/)
According to the New York Post, "ESPN was specifically reaching out to the most politically outspoken of its broadcasters. Jemele Hill, Keith Olbermann and Kenny Mayne are the ones most frequently associated with venturing outside of sports."
RetroGuy2000 05-31-2018, 11:37 PM I'm glad that ABC's taken a stand and fired her.
Still, it makes me think back to what networks used to do with misbehaving stars of the past: the "Chrissy Minute", where Susanne Somers' part was reduced to just one minute per episode, taped on a rinky-dink set with no audience, phoned in. Or Valerie Harper's feud with the producers, which led to that awkward conversation: "You're mom's dead, guys. But no problem, cause here's Aunt Sandy Duncan!"
IllinoisTVFan 06-01-2018, 12:14 AM ...and attacking Muslims is like you're planning your own funeral!
The Muslims take blasphemy of Mohammed VERY seriously!
I'm sooooo certain that Roseanne will get death threats by the Muslim people!
I hadn't thought of that but yeah. They get very upset.
IllinoisTVFan 06-01-2018, 12:19 AM I'm glad that ABC's taken a stand and fired her.
Still, it makes me think back to what networks used to do with misbehaving stars of the past: the "Chrissy Minute", where Susanne Somers' part was reduced to just one minute per episode, taped on a rinky-dink set with no audience, phoned in. Or Valerie Harper's feud with the producers, which led to that awkward conversation: "You're mom's dead, guys. But no problem, cause here's Aunt Sandy Duncan!"
I remember both incidents because I watched both shows at the time. In the case of Somers, she wasn't originally going to be the star, Ritter was because he was best known. When she became popular she wanted money and became obnoxious because it didn't happen so she was fired (this is what I read). With Valerie, that one was a bit trickier and they did it by changing the name of the show. I could be wrong, but I don't think either actress owned the shows (though Valerie Harper was the star). There's the issue, Roseanne owns the show I believe (or did).
RetroGuy2000 06-01-2018, 12:32 AM I remember both incidents because I watched both shows at the time. In the case of Somers, she wasn't originally going to be the star, Ritter was because he was best known. When she became popular she wanted money and became obnoxious because it didn't happen so she was fired (this is what I read). With Valerie, that one was a bit trickier and they did it by changing the name of the show. I could be wrong, but I don't think either actress owned the shows (though Valerie Harper was the star). There's the issue, Roseanne owns the show I believe (or did).
What you recall is also what I recall; like you, I'm old enough to have remembered these shows in their original runs. As you say, Suzanne had become obnoxious (I believe she claimed at the time that she'd broken a rib, and that that is why she had missed show tapings; in more recent interviews, she's admitted it was all about the money).
With Valerie... I actually can see her point. That show was a Miller-Boyett production, and those producers were always cutthroat and not about continuity or character development, being more interested in churning out scripts. I think she likely had valid points.
As you say, Roseanne owning a piece of the new show makes continuing it in any way problematic.
Another star dispute was the Cindy Williams/Gary Marshall dispute, which resulted in the awful last season of Laverne and Shirley, with almost no Shirley in it.
I feel sorry for Lecy Goranson the most out of all of this. And perhaps Natalie West and Estelle Parsons. Michael Fishman not so much because I'm not impressed with his acting skills. But Lecy deserves to have an acting career outside of Becky Conner.
RetroGuy2000 06-01-2018, 12:49 AM I feel sorry for Lecy Goranson the most out of all of this. And perhaps Natalie West and Estelle Parsons. Michael Fishman not so much because I'm not impressed with his acting skills. But Lecy deserves to have an acting career outside of Becky Conner.
I feel bad for the rest of the cast and crew, and I hope they find work.
I do hope Lecy can use this as a springboard for her career. I was looking forward to seeing more Natalie West next season, and I'm sad so many storylines and loose ends (like what happened to Jerry and Andy) will never get resolved.
IllinoisTVFan 06-01-2018, 01:30 AM What you recall is also what I recall; like you, I'm old enough to have remembered these shows in their original runs. As you say, Suzanne had become obnoxious (I believe she claimed at the time that she'd broken a rib, and that that is why she had missed show tapings; in more recent interviews, she's admitted it was all about the money).
With Valerie... I actually can see her point. That show was a Miller-Boyett production, and those producers were always cutthroat and not about continuity or character development, being more interested in churning out scripts. I think she likely had valid points.
As you say, Roseanne owning a piece of the new show makes continuing it in any way problematic.
Another star dispute was the Cindy Williams/Gary Marshall dispute, which resulted in the awful last season of Laverne and Shirley, with almost no Shirley in it.
Yeah I remember hearing Miller-Boyett were cheap so that is possible. At the time I didn't pay a lot of attention to that because I always assumed the star was being a prima donna. I remember the Laverne and Shirley thing and wondered if it was connected to both stars reportedly not getting along by then or if that was a rumor. It lost a lot when Williams left, that's for sure.
What you recall is also what I recall; like you, I'm old enough to have remembered these shows in their original runs. As you say, Suzanne had become obnoxious (I believe she claimed at the time that she'd broken a rib, and that that is why she had missed show tapings; in more recent interviews, she's admitted it was all about the money).
With Valerie... I actually can see her point. That show was a Miller-Boyett production, and those producers were always cutthroat and not about continuity or character development, being more interested in churning out scripts. I think she likely had valid points.
As you say, Roseanne owning a piece of the new show makes continuing it in any way problematic.
Another star dispute was the Cindy Williams/Gary Marshall dispute, which resulted in the awful last season of Laverne and Shirley, with almost no Shirley in it.
https://www.macleans.ca/uncategorized/the-20th-anniversary-of-the-most-awesomest-tv-contract-dispute-ever/
The producers of the new show were Tom Miller and Bob Boyett, which seemed like an odd mix with Valerie Harper and NBC. Nearly all their previous productions had been for ABC, and they specialized in broad, sophomoric shows, whereas NBC was trying to sell itself as the home of more high-class comedy. But Miller-Boyett benefited from the same fortuitous circumstances as Chuck Lorre and a few other comedy producers benefit from today: they were among the only comedy producers available at a time when the demand for comedy unexpectedly shot up. The sitcom was “dead” in the early-to-mid ’80s, and most of the leading sitcom producers had already disbanded or gone into something else. Miller-Boyett, who had left Paramount and signed with Lorimar TV (which was later bought by Warner Brothers and no longer exists), were just about to give up on sitcoms and do hour-long family dramedies when The Cosby Show exploded, and the networks went begging and pleading for new sitcoms. And Miller-Boyett were among the few experienced people who could respond to all that begging and pleading.
So NBC set up a project for Valerie Harper, a product of the high-class MTM school of comedy, and Miller-Boyett (https://www.google.com/search?ei=FtYRW7LqF4ah_wTMjqbQDA&q=miller-boyett+valerie+harper&oq=miller-boyett+valerie+harper&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4758.4758.0.5698.1.1.0.0.0.0.58.58.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.i8SKONFTTfw), among the founders of the Happy Days/Laverne and Shirley school. To split the difference, the creator and writer of the pilot — the story of a woman with three sons and an airline-pilot husband with terrifying hair — was a guy who wasn’t really from either camp: Charlie Hauck had written for Maude and co-created one of my weekend flops, The Associates. (He later wrote a novel called Artistic Differences about writing a sitcom for a megalomaniacal diva star.) And NBC got their superstar director James Burrows to direct the pilot instead of Miller-Boyett’s usual people (they usually went with Joel Zwick). Harper brought on her husband, Tony Cacciotti, as a producer (in the Lucille Ball/Gary Morton tradition) and got a contract that called for her to have creative input as well as a cut of the profits. So as with many star-vehicle comedies before and after, the setup made it clear that no matter who the nominal producers were, the star was in charge.
Miller and Boyett’s specialty, apart from knowing exactly how to combine broad comedy with sappiness, was their quite phenomenal casting ability. (Bob Boyett is now one of Broadway’s most successful producers, drawing on those same instincts for crowd-pleasing material and casting.) They had never done a star vehicle before, instead preferring to pick actors who had only done guest parts on TV or small parts in movies and making them into leads: among the people Miller and/or Boyett elevated from bit-player to lead were Tom Hanks, Robert Hays, Peter Scolari, Robin Williams, Bob Saget, and Annie Potts. The other thing they were good at is figuring out which young actors could be a hit with their young-skewing audience. In casting Valerie, they realized that Jason Bateman, who had been kicking around shows like Silver Spoons and Little House on the Prairie and had played the lead on the flop It’s Your Move, was at the age where he had potential as a teen heartthrob: a good actor with good comic timing, good-looking enough to be appealing to girls and not so good-looking that boys would hate him. (This is, roughly, the Michael J. Fox template.) Casting soap actors in sitcoms was also a specialty of theirs, as they demonstrated by casting a guy from Days of Our Lives as Valerie’s husband.
The show that emerged was a very uneasy compromise between the type of show Harper expected to do and the type of show that Miller-Boyett preferred. Their specialty was re-tooling shows to fit prevailing trends and to emphasize any characters who caught on with the audience, while relying on a formula that called for very broad jokes and equally broad sentimentality (complete with sappy music). Valerie Harper and NBC were hoping for a family comedy with an edge, like The Cosby Show and Family Ties. So Valerie started out as an NBC-type show, but every week, Miller/Boyett would push it a little closer to their own kind of show, adding Edie McClurg’s “Mrs. Poole” character for wacky comedy value and building more and more stories around Jason Bateman, whom they correctly perceived as their best bet for keeping the show going. There were tabloid rumours at the time that Harper was resentful of Bateman, but Bateman has always denied that. What seems more likely is that she was resentful of the producers for turning her into a supporting player on her own show. (Meredith Baxter on Family Ties felt the same way, but Harper had even more reason to be P.O.’d, becaus the show was actually named after her and she owned a piece of it, yet it was being slowly taken away from her.) She said she was disappointed that not only she but the other characters were being neglected in favour of endless stories about Bateman’s girl troubles: “I wanted the little boys used more.” She reportedly told one of the producers: “I can’t do this to my career. I can’t stand in the kitchen and give advice to teenage boys.” What was supposed to be her career comeback had turned her, within a year, into just another generic sitcom mom.
Roseanne Barr's son defends her in an Instagram video (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-son-defends-her/)
“You know what? It’s a**hole tweet, it’s insensitive, we get it," said Jake Pentland, Roseanne's 40-year-old son. "We’re in a f*cking bubble. Me and Mom are completely out of touch, that we would think that it’s okay for a white person to call a non-white person and compare them to a monkey. Like, you got it. You won. You took the show off. She’s apologized. It’s over. War’s over.”
ALSO:
Joe Rogan says Roseanne Barr canceled today's scheduled podcast: "She’s not doing well" (https://www.etonline.com/roseanne-barr-cancels-scheduled-podcast-interview-shes-not-doing-well-103380)
Roseanne reruns are still available on Amazon Prime Video and at least one other streaming outlet (https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/roseanne-amazon-prime-video-itunes-filmrise-streaming-1202827652/)
Why Roseanne Barr was fired and Samantha Bee was not: TBS bears some responsibility for C-word airing (http://ew.com/tv/2018/06/01/trump-samantha-bee)
Roseanne's Twitter account -- which ABC knew was problematic (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/critics-notebook-abcs-roseanne-cancellation-a-predictable-tale-frog-scorpion-1115530) as far back as last August -- contains her own tweets. Bee's Full Frontal show is pre-taped. "Those words should not have been aired. It was our mistake too, and we regret it," TBS said in a statement yesterday. As James Hibberd notes, "it’s hard for a network to fire a host when it’s partly responsible for what the host said." He also points out that ABC is a family-friendly broadcast network, while Bee's show airs on a basic cable channel that allows for limited profanity. Finally, what Barr tweeted and what Bee said are different. "Obviously, most people wouldn’t consider racist slurs and a profane word anywhere close to the same ballpark of offensive — coming across as a cruel vulgarian is often survivable (Trump himself is known for his unpresidential use of profanity)," says Hibberd. ALSO: Megyn Kelly calls out White House hypocrisy on Bee (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-calls-out-white-house-hypocrisy-on-sam-bee-theyre-upset-about-a-sexist-crude-remark/).
RetroGuy2000 06-01-2018, 10:25 PM https://www.macleans.ca/uncategorized/the-20th-anniversary-of-the-most-awesomest-tv-contract-dispute-ever/
Thanks! That is a really great article! :wave:
DadTheKing 06-01-2018, 11:25 PM Roseannes personal tweet had nothing to do with her show. ABC ruined hundreds of peoples jobs by cancelling the show. But it was worth it to them, to show their fellow Trump haters that they have zero tolerance for anything even remotely connected to Trump. Witness the liberal entertainers using their shows to say disgusting things about Trump and Trump supporters. Nothing happens. Roseanne does one tweet on her own time, and all hell breaks loose. Sad!
Bill Maher weighs in on his friend Roseanne Barr's racist tweet, calling it "abhorrent and presidential" (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-weighs-in-on-his-friend-roseannes-racist-tweet-abhorrent-and-presidential/)
The Real Time host also went after "snowflakes on the right” for “dragging him into this” (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/05/30/roseanne-fans-call-for-bill-maher-to-be-fired-after-joked-trump-is-part-orangutan.html) by trying to get his show canceled in retribution for Roseanne's cancelation. “Half the country wants Roseanne to go way forever, half the country wants Samantha Bee to go away forever… so much for wanting more female voices in television,” Maher quipped. He also blasted President Trump as a "whiny little b*tch" for "making it about him" in twice demanding that Disney CEO Bob Iger apologize for past slights.
Could Roseanne Barr follow the Paula Deen path back to TV? (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/roseanne-isnt-going-anywhere-paula-deen-proves-racist-remarks-arent-career-ender-223906886.html)
The former Food Network star has shown that racist remarks aren't a career-ender.
Impressions 06-02-2018, 09:52 PM Roseannes personal tweet had nothing to do with her show. ABC ruined hundreds of peoples jobs by cancelling the show. But it was worth it to them, to show their fellow Trump haters that they have zero tolerance for anything even remotely connected to Trump. Witness the liberal entertainers using their shows to say disgusting things about Trump and Trump supporters. Nothing happens. Roseanne does one tweet on her own time, and all hell breaks loose. Sad!
Barr's ape comments have nothing to do with Trump or being a liberal or conservative. This isn't a political party issue, it's a racial issue. Racism is looked down upon on both sides of the aisle.
While I would agree that there is still some double standards with what liberals and conservatives say and the consequences that result, there is no way you can compare this comment from a liberal vs. conservative standpoint. Barr's ape comments are just downright racist, whether you look at it from a conservative or liberal standpoint. So, no, liberals calling Trump an orangutang doesn't count, because their is no racial connotation, but with Barr's comments, there is, because there's a long history of using that word to invalidate and discriminate against African Americans.
Also...ABC's defense is they're going to lose advertisers because of Roseanne's racist behavior, and also, herself as an individual (as well as the show itself) is representing the network, and they see her Twitter outbursts as a PR nightmare, tarnishing their reputation.
ABC knew what they were getting into when they signed Barr on, letting her subtle racism slide, because they got mega-ratings from her, but they felt she just really just crossed the line and hit a nerve with the ape tweet because it's so blatantly racist.
Writer Wanda Sykes had already left as a result of the ape comment, and it sounded like the actress who played Harris, Emma Kenney, also wanted to quit for Roseanne's comments, so just canceling seemed like the only option given the circumstances.
I don't think Roseanne wanted to do the show or would care to return, she said the show meant 0 to her, despite fighting back to get the show back on the air.
But..
Now, I think the show could come back as a rebrand, with the focus put on Darlene, so we'll find out on Monday, when Sara meets with the ABC execs to discuss the future of the show.
Thanks! That is a really great article! :wave:
One of the common denominators of the Miller-Boyett shows dating back to the Paramount years alongside Garry Marshall is that they seemed to allow their shows to last well beyond its expiration date. You had Happy Days, which probably should've called it a wrap when Ron Howard left, but it lasted a good four more seasons. And at that point, it for all intents and purposes, really ceased to truly be a nostalgic show with great period detail.
Many fans of Laverne & Shirley contend that the show jumped the shark the moment that the locale changed from Milwaukee to Los Angeles. But it really hit the skids when Cindy Williams left and the the very last season (https://www.datalounge.com/thread/8024664-laverne-without-shirley-the-8th-and-final-season...discuss) just had Penny Marshall (and yet the show was still oddly, called Laverne & Shirley).
Mork & Mindy simply suffered from a case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" (http://zvbxrpl.blogspot.com/2007/09/retoolers.html). The producers and/or network foolishly dumped Mindy's dad and grandma from the cast and remixed the theme song to sound more "disco-y" in a futile attempt to "hip things up". They also tried to do more serious and meaningful stories (instead of having Robin Williams do silly slapstick for a half an hour). That's good in theory, but asking Garry Marshall and his cronies do do more meaningful stories resulted in the most heavy-handed and unsubtle things imaginable. And eventually we get to Jonathan Winter's showing up as Mork and Mindy's "baby", which turned the show from something simply about Mork's new experiences on earth to a bizarre, quirky family sitcom.
Babalu 06-03-2018, 09:07 PM While I would agree that there is still some double standards with what liberals and conservatives say and the consequences that result, there is no way you can compare this comment from a liberal vs. conservative standpoint. Barr's ape comments are just downright racist, whether you look at it from a conservative or liberal standpoint. So, no, liberals calling Trump an orangutang doesn't count, because their is no racial connotation, but with Barr's comments, there is, because there's a long history of using that word to invalidate and discriminate against African Americans.
Why is it that liberals always seem to get to choose what counts and what doesn't? Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a c**t doesn't count because.... because a liberal said it about a conservative and liberals don't care. You can be sure if Rosanne Barr called the woman she insulted a c**t instead of an ape her show would have been cancelled just as fast.
MrCleveland 06-03-2018, 10:08 PM Why is it that liberals always seem to get to choose what counts and what doesn't? Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a c**t doesn't count because.... because a liberal said it about a conservative and liberals don't care. You can be sure if Rosanne Barr called the woman she insulted a c**t instead of an ape her show would have been cancelled just as fast.
This should be an incident to consider...
25 years ago...Ted Danson, a Democrat, and his then girlfriend Whoopi Goldberg, who too is a Democrat...had the most notorious concept at a Friars Club Roast...
Ted Danson in blackface...and the biggest shocker...This Was Whoopi Goldberg's Idea!
If Danson did that today and Cheers had a revival...Woody Harrelson would have the main role and Danson would be fired because of zero tolerance!
I learned the hard way about zero tolerance because I wasn't taught it properly...most people forgot the incident the next day, but my boss took it TOO serious! And that was one of two times my job was in jeopardy! I even saw a pic with a group of people in blackface that I saw tasteless and almost tempted to burn it...despite being historical.
IllinoisTVFan 06-03-2018, 11:12 PM Why is it that liberals always seem to get to choose what counts and what doesn't? Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a c**t doesn't count because.... because a liberal said it about a conservative and liberals don't care. You can be sure if Rosanne Barr called the woman she insulted a c**t instead of an ape her show would have been cancelled just as fast.
Roseanne used that word on Hillary many years ago and nothing happened.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/1/1768788/-So-it-turns-out-that-Roseanne-once-called-Hillary-a-C-nt-too
IllinoisTVFan 06-03-2018, 11:19 PM This should be an incident to consider...
25 years ago...Ted Danson, a Democrat, and his then girlfriend Whoopi Goldberg, who too is a Democrat...had the most notorious concept at a Friars Club Roast...
Ted Danson in blackface...and the biggest shocker...This Was Whoopi Goldberg's Idea!
If Danson did that today and Cheers had a revival...Woody Harrelson would have the main role and Danson would be fired because of zero tolerance!
I learned the hard way about zero tolerance because I wasn't taught it properly...most people forgot the incident the next day, but my boss took it TOO serious! And that was one of two times my job was in jeopardy! I even saw a pic with a group of people in blackface that I saw tasteless and almost tempted to burn it...despite being historical.
I don't support blackface but I remember Danson was attacked for it. I remember thinking that was horrible. Blackface is disgusting to us now but years ago it was "entertainment". A couple of years ago for Christmas I got the Little House box set of the books (my books were ruined and I love these) and there was a chapter about a blackface show and how they were thrilled. I just look at it as how things were back then and glad we have changed.
Impressions 06-03-2018, 11:29 PM Why is it that liberals always seem to get to choose what counts and what doesn't? Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a c**t doesn't count because.... because a liberal said it about a conservative and liberals don't care. You can be sure if Rosanne Barr called the woman she insulted a c**t instead of an ape her show would have been cancelled just as fast.
It doesn't make sense to me either. Misogyny shouldn't be treated any different than racism. Both are ugly, but apparently racism is more severe to them, that it warrants the most severe consequences, in this case, a cancellation. Clearly, there's a bias here, and it's not only a liberal vs. conservative one.
It also doesn't make sense to me why ABC would reboot her show in the first place, given her racist and misogynistic twitter feed. They had knowledge of it (but it seemed like they glossed over her subtle racism and misogyny, since they knew they could make money off her). So my question is then, wouldn't that invalidate her from getting a job there in the first place, given their statement on cancelling her show over racist tweets? Apparently not. There was even a nearly identical comment on her twitter feed in years past, with Roseanne comparing Susan Rice to an "ape," which was obviously racially motivated. And yet, they still hired her! I guess there's only consequences of her comments only when they happen on ABC's watch :rolleyes: Something tells me this was bound to happen and they were just waiting for a reason to cancel it, and this reason had nothing to do with the show whatsoever.
Personally, I think ABC acted too swiftly to cancel Roseanne. They should have considered all their options first, including a potential reboot or rebrand first. But on the other hand, maybe this was meant to teach Barr a lesson: to not spew racist comments from her twitter feed again.
I think it could have been handled way better, ABC did not do their due diligence when they cancelled the show. And to cover it up as, "Oh, we did the ethically right thing," well no, you didn't because you hired her in the first place and knew full well about her already already racist and misogynistic feed. So, you just did what was inevitable.
I suppose it's just kind of a catch 22. She wouldn't have worked out on the network either way. It wasn't rebooted on solid ground that it'd work in the first place, given Roseanne's twitter feed.
MrCleveland 06-03-2018, 11:44 PM I don't support blackface but I remember Danson was attacked for it. I remember thinking that was horrible. Blackface is disgusting to us now but years ago it was "entertainment". A couple of years ago for Christmas I got the Little House box set of the books (my books were ruined and I love these) and there was a chapter about a blackface show and how they were thrilled. I just look at it as how things were back then and glad we have changed.
I'm anti-blackface, but one film I like that uses this controversial form of entertainment is The Jazz Singer with Al Jolson. Overlooking that part...I see it as a story of how the son of a cantor wants to be an entertainer as well as a cantor...it's a coming-of-age film and in real life, Al Jolson defended African-American entertainers...and he wanted African-Americans in his films and shows despite his controversial blackface entertainment....
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/al-jolson-hero-villian/
I will say...Al Jolson was the John Lennon of his time...he was a jerk, according to Groucho Marx...but was defended for his actions.
IllinoisTVFan 06-03-2018, 11:50 PM I'm anti-blackface, but one film I like that uses this controversial form of entertainment is The Jazz Singer with Al Jolson. Overlooking that part...I see it as a story of how the son of a cantor wants to be an entertainer as well as a cantor...it's a coming-of-age film and in real life, Al Jolson defended African-American entertainers...and he wanted African-Americans in his films and shows despite his controversial blackface entertainment....
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/al-jolson-hero-villian/
I will say...Al Jolson was the John Lennon of his time...he was a jerk, according to Groucho Marx...but was defended for his actions.
The Jazz Singer for its time was so important and so was Al Jolson. I have several of his music on my iPod, and it was good. Back then it wasn't considered racist and many progressive people who were friends of black people saw no problem. That's why I do take in consideration the era, because it really makes a difference.
Impressions 06-03-2018, 11:57 PM This should be an incident to consider...
25 years ago...Ted Danson, a Democrat, and his then girlfriend Whoopi Goldberg, who too is a Democrat...had the most notorious concept at a Friars Club Roast...
Ted Danson in blackface...and the biggest shocker...This Was Whoopi Goldberg's Idea!
If Danson did that today and Cheers had a revival...Woody Harrelson would have the main role and Danson would be fired because of zero tolerance!
I learned the hard way about zero tolerance because I wasn't taught it properly...most people forgot the incident the next day, but my boss took it TOO serious! And that was one of two times my job was in jeopardy! I even saw a pic with a group of people in blackface that I saw tasteless and almost tempted to burn it...despite being historical.
Well, I guess it doesn't matter if it was Whoopi's idea or not, he still went forward with it. But it's still shocking to see that it was Whoopi's idea. But if that happened today, the media bias would probably play a part in it, and because they're not Republican, it wouldn't get cancelled, it'd be simply a character replacement, like your example.
JamesG 06-04-2018, 03:04 PM Sara Gilbert Speaks Out on "Roseanne" Cancellation on "The Talk": "I Support ABC's Decision"
by Lisa de Moreas
June 4, 2018
“This has been a very difficult week,” Sara Gilbert said this afternoon in "The Talk‘s" first live broadcast since ABC pulled the plug on its "Roseanne" revival after star Roseanne Barr posted a racist tweet.
“A lot of people have been hurt by this,” added Gilbert, who was credited with starting the move to bring back the show when John Goodman guested on her CBS talk show.
“I will say I’m proud of the show we made,” Gilbert said of the revival. “This show has always been about diversity, love and inclusion. And it’s sad to see it end in this way. I’m sad for the people who lost their jobs in the process. However, I do stand behind the decision ABC made.”
Fellow panelist Julie Chen added, “Canceling the show so quickly sent a strong message and the right message.”
https://deadline.com/2018/06/sara-gilbert-roseanne-supports-abc-decision-1202403047/
Babalu 06-04-2018, 07:35 PM “I will say I’m proud of the show we made,” Gilbert said of the revival. “This show has always been about diversity, love and inclusion. And it’s sad to see it end in this way. I’m sad for the people who lost their jobs in the process. However, I do stand behind the decision ABC made.”
Now that's feckless. Everybody's good and everbody's right.
Michelle Wolf slams ABC for letting Roseanne Barr back on the air "in the first place" (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/michelle-wolf-slams-abc-for-letting-lady-hitler-chef-roseanne-barr-back-on-the-air-in-the-first-place/)
“Everyone’s been saying it’s so brave of ABC to cancel their hit show, but the bold move was actually putting this lady Hitler chef back on the air in the first place,” Wolf said of the Roseanne cancelation on the new edition of her Netflix show The Break. “So kudos to ABC, it takes a lot of courage to fire someone after they’ve been openly racist for the thousandth time.”
Roseanne's production designer: It's ridiculous that the stars make millions from cancelation while the crew gets nothing (https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/roseanne-cancellation-leaves-crew-members-in-the-lurch-thats-the-way-it-is-in-a-freelance-universe/2018/06/01/ba8ef99a-65af-11e8-a768-ed043e33f1dc_story.html)
Roseanne set decorator Anne Ahrens and production designer John Shaffner spoke to The Washington Post about life as a TV show crew member, where there isn't much job security, even on a hit show like Roseanne. Last month, Ahrens turned down a TV job because she was returning to the hit ABC sitcom. Meanwhile Shaffner noted that crew members like those in his art department are especially hit hard because they operate as weekly hires. “The disparity of pay in our entertainment business has reached levels that are almost unimaginable,” Shaffner said of the stars of the show contracted to receive their Season 2 salaries. “I love Sara (Gilbert) and John (Goodman), and I’ve worked with Laurie (Metcalf) in the past. These are amazing talents and deserve everything they get. But when you think of them walking away with as much as $3 million for not working and nobody else getting a penny, it’s, like, what’s wrong with this world?”
Sara Gilbert addresses Roseanne's cancelation on The Talk, says she stands by ABC's decision (http://tvline.com/2018/06/04/sara-gilbert-the-talk-roseanne-cancellation-video/)
Gilbert made a tearful return (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0IspU-X8x0) to The Talk today, six days after ABC abruptly canceled the Roseanne revival she spearheaded. “I would like to say this has been a very difficult week," she said. "A lot of people have been hurt by this. I will say I’m proud of the show we made. The show has always been about diversity, love and inclusion, and it’s sad to see it end in this way. I’m sad for the people who lost their jobs in the process. However, I do stand behind the decision that ABC made.” Gilbert didn't address rumors of a possible Darlene-centered spinoff. According to Deadline, Roseanne producers are scheduled to meet today (https://deadline.com/2018/06/roseanne-followup-spinoff-without-roseanne-abc-darlene-pitch-meeting-problems-1202402239/) with Disney-ABC executives to pitch a revamped Roseanne without its star. ALSO: Tom Arnold says Roseanne Barr is "obviously" a racist. (https://people.com/tv/tom-arnold-says-roseanne-barr-obviously-racist/)
Roseanne Barr retweets attacks on Valerie Jarrett after tweeting "I'm making restitution for the pain I have caused" (https://people.com/tv/roseanne-barr-tweets-valerie-jarrett-again/)
Barr followed up on her cryptic tweet about "restitution" with multiple controversial retweets targeting the former Obama official, whom she compared to an ape last week, resulting in Roseanne's cancelation.
Roseanne Barr returns to Twitter, claiming her Planet of the Apes tweet was about anti-semitism and not racism (https://deadline.com/2018/06/roseanne-barr-planet-of-the-apes-anti-semitism-valerie-jarrett-twitter-1202410310/)
Barr came back after a Twitter break on Wednesday night, thanking Rosie O'Donnell, Sean Hannity and Norm Macdonald for their support over the past two weeks. She also again revisited her Valerie Jarrett tweet: “Rod Serling wrote Planet of The Apes. It was about anti-semitism. That is what my tweet referred to – the anti semitism of the Iran deal. Low IQ ppl can think whatever they want.”
Janice 06-15-2018, 09:39 PM If Roseanne thinks anyone's going to buy that nonsensical reason for her racist tweet, she's crazier than I thought.
Dude111 06-16-2018, 11:13 AM ABC announced it has cancelled the series.The whole thing is stupid!!!
No one cared when that other lady called Donnys daughter the C word ON LIVE TV!!!
RetroGuy2000 06-16-2018, 01:37 PM If Roseanne thinks anyone's going to buy that nonsensical reason for her racist tweet, she's crazier than I thought.
I agree. That's totally convoluted and not believable. And the writer of Planet of the Apes denies the connection (https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/index.ssf/2018/06/roseanne_barr_rod_serling_anti-semitism.html).
Besides, her original claim was that it was just a joke.
Roseanne went too far, destroyed her career, and instead of owning it, she's making bizarre excuses: It was late at night. It was the Ambien. Planet of the Apes is about antisemitism.
I don't understand why she's still on Twitter, as everyone around her must have told her to get off the platform.
Dude111 06-16-2018, 07:32 PM How about that comedian calling donnys daughter a bad word??
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/31/samantha-bee-hits-ivanka-trump-with-filthy-sexist-attack-silence-on-left-is-deafening.html
Didnt she go too far??? YES SHE DID!!!!!!!!!!
No ones making a big deal of that and its sickening..... (Many dont like them which is why I think)
What Rosanne did wasnt any worse......
Babalu 06-16-2018, 11:39 PM How about that comedian calling donnys daughter a bad word??
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/31/samantha-bee-hits-ivanka-trump-with-filthy-sexist-attack-silence-on-left-is-deafening.html
Didnt she go too far??? YES SHE DID!!!!!!!!!!
No ones making a big deal of that and its sickening..... (Many dont like them which is why I think)
What Rosanne did wasnt any worse......
Of course it was - to liberals, and they run the media.
Valerie Jarrett is a democrat black woman. Anything but an ass kiss to them is grounds for dismissal. But if you are a Republican and especially if your name is Trump no name is too bad to call you.
ABC didn't want to cancel Roseanne. But ABC knew that they'd be hounded out of business by the rest of the left wing media if they didn't.
Wanda Sykes briefly addressed Roseanne Barr's racist tweet in her standup act (https://www.ajc.com/blog/buzz/wanda-sykes-addresses-roseanne-cancellation-atlanta-show/vIjI0MhlU5GNJMqn1YwscO/)
During a performance last night in Atlanta, Sykes said of her Roseanne experience: "Roseanne? The thing is I don’t have any jokes about it. She said some racist (expletive) − and I quit.”
JamesG 06-24-2018, 03:33 PM Roseanne Barr's 1st post-cancellation interview:
https://tvline.com/2018/06/24/roseanne-barr-apology-first-interview-racist-tweet-controversy/
Roseanne Barr recalls ABC firing her in an emotional interview: "I've lost everything" (https://www.buzzfeed.com/remysmidt/roseanne-barr-emotional-interview-lost-everything)
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach released excerpts and a transcript of his interview with the former Roseanne star that he conducted on his podcast. "I horribly regret it," Barr said of the racist remark on the podcast. "I’ve lost everything. And I regretted it before I lost everything and I said to God, 'I am willing to accept whatever consequences this brings, because I know I’ve done wrong. I’m willing to accept what the consequences are.' And I do. And I have."
Jerry Seinfeld: Roseanne Barr's firing wasn't "necessary," but "I love people that crash and burn" (https://www.etonline.com/jerry-seinfeld-doesnt-think-roseanne-barr-shouldve-been-fired-exclusive-104953)
"I didn't see why it was necessary to fire her," Seinfeld told Entertainment Tonight while promoting Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. "Why would you murder someone who's committing suicide?" He added: "But I never saw someone ruin their entire career with one button push. That was fresh." In an interview with Extra, Seinfeld said of Barr: "I kind of like that story because I think you know I love people that crash and burn (http://extratv.com/2018/06/26/jerry-seinfelds-take-on-roseanne-barr-i-love-people-that-crash-and-burn/). I really enjoy that and a lot of people have done it in a lot of different ways… And I like to kind of rate them and compare them. I don't think anybody ever just destroyed an entire career by doing that. All she had to do was press 'share' and it was all over, so I thought that was kind of cool 'cause it was different… You know, drugs and sex, those are the usual things. This was something new and I thought it was inventive.” Seinfeld also suggested that ABC should've cast another female comedian to take over the Roseanne Conner role. "I think they should get another Roseanne," he told E.T. "They brought Dan Conner back, he was dead and they brought him back. So, why can't we get another Roseanne? There's other funny women that could do that part. You need to get the comic in there. I hate to see a comic lose a job."
RetroGuy2000 06-26-2018, 08:27 PM Jerry Seinfeld: Roseanne Barr's firing wasn't "necessary," but "I love people that crash and burn" (https://www.etonline.com/jerry-seinfeld-doesnt-think-roseanne-barr-shouldve-been-fired-exclusive-104953)
"I didn't see why it was necessary to fire her," Seinfeld told Entertainment Tonight while promoting Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. "Why would you murder someone who's committing suicide?" He added: "But I never saw someone ruin their entire career with one button push. That was fresh." In an interview with Extra, Seinfeld said of Barr: "I kind of like that story because I think you know I love people that crash and burn (http://extratv.com/2018/06/26/jerry-seinfelds-take-on-roseanne-barr-i-love-people-that-crash-and-burn/). I really enjoy that and a lot of people have done it in a lot of different ways… And I like to kind of rate them and compare them. I don't think anybody ever just destroyed an entire career by doing that. All she had to do was press 'share' and it was all over, so I thought that was kind of cool 'cause it was different… You know, drugs and sex, those are the usual things. This was something new and I thought it was inventive.” Seinfeld also suggested that ABC should've cast another female comedian to take over the Roseanne Conner role. "I think they should get another Roseanne," he told E.T. "They brought Dan Conner back, he was dead and they brought him back. So, why can't we get another Roseanne? There's other funny women that could do that part. You need to get the comic in there. I hate to see a comic lose a job."
Didn't "Kramer" end his career with a single word? The n-word.
Wawwie 06-26-2018, 08:42 PM Didn't "Kramer" end his career with a single word? The n-word.
Yes, and that's dumbass Michael Richards (Kramer) not Jerry Seinfeld.
Babalu 06-26-2018, 08:52 PM Didn't "Kramer" end his career with a single word? The n-word.
He should have been a rapper.
RetroGuy2000 06-26-2018, 11:53 PM He should have been a rapper.
I think he made a lot more money as Kramer. According to this (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiewtHp9_LbAhUJwFQKHTN9CN0QFggxMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2015%2F05%2F31%2Fseinfelds-per-line-payday.html&usg=AOvVaw2oLbnS5PPjwf6qGF-PmBd8), he was making $600,000.00 per episode in the final season of Seinfeld. That's $14,400,000.00 for a single season. He's a billionaire.
Babalu 06-27-2018, 06:09 AM I think he made a lot more money as Kramer. According to this (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiewtHp9_LbAhUJwFQKHTN9CN0QFggxMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2015%2F05%2F31%2Fseinfelds-per-line-payday.html&usg=AOvVaw2oLbnS5PPjwf6qGF-PmBd8), he was making $600,000.00 per episode in the final season of Seinfeld. That's $14,400,000.00 for a single season. He's a billionaire.
https://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Do+you+legitimately+have+aspergers+no+really+i+want+to+_6e4836ce122b44072a8b11a186b07e42.jpg
Roseanne Barr screams "I thought the b*tch was white" in a possible preview of her self-made talk show (https://www.thedailybeast.com/roseanne-screams-about-valerie-jarrett-in-new-video-i-thought-the-btch-was-white)
Roseanne reiterated her primary excuse for her Valerie Jarrett ape tweet in a video posted to her YouTube channel. “I’m trying to talk about Iran!" Roseanne said to an off-camera voice. "I’m trying to talk about Valerie Jarrett wrote the Iran deal, that’s what my tweet was about...I thought the bitch was white! Goddamnit, I thought the b*tch was white! F*ck!” According to TMZ, Barr's YouTube rant was shot at her son Jake Pentland's Full Moon & High Tide studio, where she has been interviewing friends and family members for a possible self-produced talk show (http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/20/roseanne-barr-talk-show-world-politics-bitch-was-white/).
RetroGuy2000 07-20-2018, 08:23 PM Roseanne Barr screams "I thought the b*tch was white" in a possible preview of her self-made talk show (https://www.thedailybeast.com/roseanne-screams-about-valerie-jarrett-in-new-video-i-thought-the-btch-was-white)
Roseanne reiterated her primary excuse for her Valerie Jarrett ape tweet in a video posted to her YouTube channel. “I’m trying to talk about Iran!" Roseanne said to an off-camera voice. "I’m trying to talk about Valerie Jarrett wrote the Iran deal, that’s what my tweet was about...I thought the bitch was white! Goddamnit, I thought the b*tch was white! F*ck!” According to TMZ, Barr's YouTube rant was shot at her son Jake Pentland's Full Moon & High Tide studio, where she has been interviewing friends and family members for a possible self-produced talk show (http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/20/roseanne-barr-talk-show-world-politics-bitch-was-white/).
If she wanted to talk about Valerie Jarrett writing the Iran deal, why did she write "Planet of the Apes" at all? I don't buy it.
"I thought the b*tch was white" is quite disrespectful. Hasn't Roseanne learned anything during the last few months?
Roseanne Barr releases another video, this time claiming ABC fired her for voting for Donald Trump (https://www.mediaite.com/online/roseanne-barr-abc-fired-me-because-i-voted-for-trump/)
"This was my statement from the very beginning, and it will continue to be forever because it is the truth,” she said in the video posted to her YouTube channel. “When ABC called and asked me to explain my ‘egregious and unforgivable tweet,’ I told them I thought Valerie Jarrett was white. And I also said I am willing to go on The View, Jimmy Kimmel, or whatever other show you want me to go on and explain that to my audience. Now, instead what happened was about 40 minutes after that my show was canceled before even one advertiser pulled out and I was labeled a racist... Why, you ask? Well, the answer is simple. It’s because I voted for Donald Trump and that is not allowed in Hollywood.” ALSO: Barr's claim doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny since ABC has always known her politics (https://www.tvguide.com/news/roseanne-barr-official-statement-roseanne-cancellation/).
Roseanne Barr is "disgusted" by the groundswell of support James Gunn is receiving following his firing from Disney (https://www.indiewire.com/2018/07/roseanne-barr-disgusted-people-supporting-james-gunn-1201987419/)
"I’m disgusted to read all of the support for James Gunn’s pedophile jokes (https://heavy.com/entertainment/2018/07/james-gunn-pedophile-jokes-twitter/)-as the same people supported blacklisting me for a joke they didn’t even understand," Barr tweeted last night.
Dude111 07-25-2018, 01:19 AM Ya the whole thing is stupid and bizarre..........
Roseanne Barr to give her first post-firing interview to Sean Hannity live on Fox News (https://deadline.com/2018/07/sean-hannity-interview-roseanne-barr-fox-news-1202432998/)
Barr will appear for a live interview on Thursday night at 9 p.m. ET on Hannity's primetime Fox News show. Barr will talk about the Valerie Jarrett "ape" tweet that got her fired from Roseanne, as well as her support of President Trump. This will mark Barr's first TV appearance and formal television interview since her abrupt firing on May 29. Hannity will only show a portion of his Roseanne interview on Thursday night. He plans to save the rest for his Friday night show. ALSO: Roseanne will also spend Thursday night taping a live podcast from a New York City club with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. (https://pagesix.com/2018/07/24/roseanne-barr-to-perform-live-podcast-at-nyc-comedy-club/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow)
Impressions 07-26-2018, 01:48 PM Roseanne doesn't make any sense. On her YouTube channel, she says she is using this as a platform because of media bias and she has also said she won't do TV interviews because the media is biased, yet she'll appear on Fox News, because it appeals to her arm of the spectrum :rolleyes:
Roseanne Barr, in her first post-firing TV interview, halfheartedly apologizes to Valerie Jarrett -- then disses her hairstyle (https://www.indiewire.com/2018/07/roseanne-hannity-interview-racist-tweet-apology-1201988469)
“I’ve apologized a lot," Barr said on Fox News' Hannity, her first TV appearance since her May 29 firing from Roseanne. "It’s been two months and I feel like I have apologized and explained and asked for forgiveness and made recompense,” she added. “I was so sad that people thought it was racist.” Barr said of the "ape tweet targeting the former Obama advisor. "I was so sad that anyone thinks that of me, but I’m not that person…I hate everyone equally." Hannity then asked Barr if she wanted to address Jarrett directly by facing the camera. "I’m so sorry that you thought I was racist and that you thought my tweet was racist, because it wasn’t. It was political," Barr said. "I’m sorry for the misunderstanding that caused. I’m sorry that you feel harmed and hurt. For that I apologize. I never meant to hurt anyone or say anything about an entire race of people, which I think 30 years of my work can attest to.” She then followed up her apology by saying: "She's got to get a new haircut. I mean seriously. She needs a new haircut." (http://www.tmz.com/2018/07/26/roseanne-hannity-apology-valerie-jarrett-haircut-insult/) In a live podcast taping earlier in the evening with Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, Barr seemed more defiant, saying: "I recognize that she thinks I wronged her." (https://www.thedailybeast.com/roseanne-barr-regrets-apologizing-to-valerie-jarrett-it-was-not-a-racist-tweet) Barr added: "All my friends said, your mistake was to apologize to the left because when they see blood in the water, they’re going to come until you’re dead. And I think that’s kind of true.” ALSO: Barr said ABC "should be so lucky that they'll ever get anywhere near" the Roseanne revival's ratings. (https://tvline.com/2018/07/26/roseanne-barr-on-firing-sitcom-cancellation-racist-tweet-controversy/)
Dude111 07-27-2018, 02:00 AM Maybe she doesnt realise FOX is the worst of them all!!
Babalu 07-27-2018, 06:08 AM Ya the whole thing is stupid and bizarre..........
Roseanne is stupid and bizarre, but so are many other Hollywood celebrities. But because at least for now Roseanne is against the liberals she is singled out for scorn.
Roseanne Barr's Hannity interview was a "master class on how not to apologize for a massive public flameout" (https://www.npr.org/2018/07/27/632921834/roseanne-barr-tells-foxs-hannity-racist-tweet-was-a-big-misunderstanding)
Sean Hannity devoted an entire hour to the disgraced former Roseanne star. "But, despite having an hour to make her case, Barr rarely stuck with one topic for long, hopscotching through various topics and defenses," said Eric Deggans. "In one part of the interview, the comic insisted she didn't want to hurt anyone or cause anyone pain." He added: "In watching a once-great sitcom star fail to really explain the racist outburst that ruined her career, viewers have seen all they need to know." ALSO: Barr failed to apologize across every dimension, and her joke attacking Valerie Jarrett's hairstyle revealed that she wasn't sorry. (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/07/roseanne-hannity-and-the-one-joke-that-reveals-so-much/566237/)
Impressions 07-29-2018, 11:14 AM Her "apology" was terrible! "I'm sorry that you thought I was a racist" is not an apology! You can't be sorry for how you make other people feel, and it wasn't just her that you should be apologizing to! She needs to take accountability and ownership with what she said, not how other people reacted. Also, I can't believe she has yet not called her up to apologize, saying "I don't have the words" is not an excuse! It just shows she still hasn't learned from her mistake!
Dr. Thong 07-29-2018, 11:34 AM Roseanne should just let this go and move on. She's just making things worse for herself.
She dug her own grave and can't live with the consequences.
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