View Full Version : Roseanne Revival: My Thoughts


stevearino
03-18-2018, 05:29 PM
As many of you are aware, over 20 years after its original series finale, the hit '80s sitcom "Roseanne" will return to its original network home of ABC a week from Tuesday night at 8 P.M. with 2 back-to-back episodes, after which the revival will air weekly Tuesday nights at 8 P.M. leading in to the end of "The Middle" (wrapping up its own 9-year run this Spring on ABC).

Though the bulk of the original cast (including both Beckys--Lecy Goranson and Sarah Chalke, the latter actress playing a new character, Andrea, in the revival) will return, one key regular will not be returning--because he's dead.

His name: Glenn Quinn, best known for his role as Mark Healy on "Roseanne" for 7 years, starting in September 1990. He fatally OD'd on Heroin at age 32 on December 3, 2002, with his death ruled Accidental.

Some interesting tidbits about Glenn: he was born and raised Irish, with his short time on earth beginning in Dublin, Ireland on May 28, 1970; had Glenn been born and raised in America, he would have graduated high school in June 1988, weeks after turning 18, but because he was Irish, he (presumably) received his O-Levels 2 years earlier, at age 16, after which he spent 2 years attending a local Community College--specifically Clonkeen College.

In 1988, after graduating from Clonkeen College, Glenn, just after turning 18, relocated with his parents and 2 sisters to America, eventually settling in Los Angeles, California, where he eventually was cast on "Roseanne" in 1990 as Mark Healy, Becky's boyfriend/eventual husband and older brother to David (Johnny Galecki, also not returning due to his commitment to "Big Bang Theory" on CBS), who eventually married Darlene (Sara Gilbert), with whom in the original series finale he became co-parent to Harris Conner Healy--the 1st grandchild of Dan and Roseanne Conner (John Goodman and Roseanne Barr).

The only thing I would change in the revival is that rather than have Mark Healy killed offscreen due to Glenn Quinn's real-life demise, I'd have his character be portrayed by another actor his age group, e.g. Ricky Schroder.

Anyone here have opinions about this? Feel free to respond.

Artistwithmanymuses
03-18-2018, 09:58 PM
I rather not have them pull another Becky. Someone stepping in to take over Glenn's role is almost like what they did with Lecy, but the circumstances are different this time. Some Original fans will feel it's not right, I watched the entire original show last year. I felt when they recasted Becky it sure as heck wasn't the same. If they decied to recast Mark it wouldn't be the same. Many fans of different fandoms fall in love with the characters and the actors/actresses that protray them. It wouldn't be the same if they recasted. Mark. The shows producers/cast have respect for Glenn, and they chose not to recast his role.

TMC
03-24-2018, 12:57 AM
On the Roseanne reboot, it is Darlene who is the "emotional heart" of the story (https://www.buzzfeed.com/annehelenpetersen/roseanne-reboot-more-than-trump-politics)

Media attention on the Roseanne reboot has focused on Roseanne Conner being a Trump voter. But the new Roseanne isn't a forum for Roseanne Barr's ideologies because the three episodes sent to critics "decenter Roseanne in a slight but remarkable way, ceding the emotional heart of the story to Darlene: unemployed, single-parenting two kids, and trying to figure out how best to raise them in her parents’ house," says Anne Helen Peterson. That the focus would be on Darlene makes sense since it was Sara Gilbert who orchestrated the revival. "The camera still starts and stops on Roseanne in the iconic opening credit sequence, but she has effectively ceded the moral center of the show," says Peterson. "Darlene was always the most independent of the Conner children. But she was also the most like Roseanne: irreverent, acerbic, thrilled by her capacity to undercut others’ expectations of her, yet blessed with a seemingly innate ethical clarity. She wasn’t scared to wound others, and yet, like her mother, she was secretly sensitive. Roseanne used those qualities to school her children and prepare them to be better people in the world. And what makes the new Roseanne work — despite its star, and what’s become of her — is the show’s willingness to let Darlene use the same strategies on her own parents. Roseanne remains committed to a certain sort of realism. But this time, part of that realist project is allowing a feminist daughter to reject the cynicism of her mother and forge her own path forward."

TV Guy
03-24-2018, 08:50 PM
I don’t know why they had to kill off Mark. It would be more realistic for him and Becky to have divorced. They started hinting at this when Lecy resumed the role in season 8 (remember the episode where Becky wanted to go back to college and didn’t seem all that concerned about what happened to Mark?) Then Sarah took the role again for the final season and that was dropped. But in reality, teenaged marriages have a very high divorce rate. And Mark and Becky #1 really didn’t have much in common.

Artistwithmanymuses
03-24-2018, 09:51 PM
I don’t know why they had to kill off Mark. It would be more realistic for him and Becky to have divorced. They started hinting at this when Lecy resumed the role in season 8 (remember the episode where Becky wanted to go back to college and didn’t seem all that concerned about what happened to Mark?) Then Sarah took the role again for the final season and that was dropped. But in reality, teenaged marriages have a very high divorce rate. And Mark and Becky #1 really didn’t have much in common.
Yeah their relationship before they eloped, and after was rocky, but they were pretty much faithful, and commited to each other. Not all relationships need commnunication and common ground to work. In save the last thursday if i remember the title correctly Becky also admitted that. she's content with her life, and having quite evenings with Mark. Also in the Becky wanting to apply for college episode(Becky Howser M.D) Mark told Roseanne that he wouldn't leave Becky for anything.

Most people expected David and Darlene to stay together because they had so much in common but as we learned before the revival hits TV they are separated/divorced.

TMC
03-26-2018, 08:04 PM
Tom Arnold reviews the Roseanne reboot (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-arnold-reviews-roseanne-reboot-i-can-watch-can-you-1095879)
Roseanne Barr's ex-husband, who was famously fired as a writer/producer on the ABC sitcom, writes for The Hollywood Reporter: "Bottom line: If you want to watch a show because it's the voice of your political point of view, right or left, do not watch the Roseanne reboot. You'll be disappointed. But if you're a fan of the original Roseanne, especially the glory years — you know, the 'Tom Arnold years' — this is as good as it's going to get."

Pat
03-26-2018, 08:50 PM
So, in the finale Dan was noted as being dead. I read somewhere that the new series will be ignoring the finale. Any thoughts???

Artistwithmanymuses
03-27-2018, 01:20 PM
Yeah Dan is alive and every other twist in season 9 is undone. Basically don't take season 9 into account anymore. Dan is alive, and they never won the lottery.

Impressions
03-27-2018, 01:30 PM
I don't wanna see an actor replace Mark. I mean, yeah, we had Becky and DJ replaced at one point in the series, but I think they should just kill him off.

As far as the reveal that Dan is not dead, I can't make a decision either way until I see the season premiere tonight and see how they handle it. I'm glad they are bringing him back, and thought it was a cheap move on Roseanne's part when she revealed he died in season 9, to explain the horribly wrong lottery plot, and using it as a mechanism to cope with his death. So they are doing right to bring him back to life.

TMC
03-27-2018, 09:18 PM
Roseanne is the rare revival that works because it embraces how much has changed (https://uproxx.com/sepinwall/roseanne-revival-review-abc/2/)

The Roseanne revival (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/56811-roseanne-revival/?page=12) is unlike the first season of The X-Files revival, which came back as if nothing had changed and as if its characters hadn't aged. As Alan Sepinwall notes, "great TV shows tend to be the product of a specific time in the lives of three groups: the characters on the show, the people making it, and the people watching it. When shows get brought back from the dead years later, one or more of those groups is different, yet too many shows in the recent flood of revivals try to go about business as usual, assuming the old material will work no matter the context, when instead the new episodes at best come across as pale imitations of what these shows used to be. The handful of revivals that have creatively justified their existence have tended to be the ones that acknowledge those changes." A Roseanne revival looked the most likely to be out of step because so much has changed in 21 years. "Wonderful as so much of ’80s and ’90s Roseanne was, few revivals have had higher potential for feeling wildly out of step in the current environment," says Sepinwall. "Instead, the three episodes ABC gave to critics ... smartly lean into everything that’s different from when we last left the Conners, much less from when we first met them. It’s the rare revival that not only justifies its existence, but draws most of its strength from how much time has passed and what’s happened in the interim."

ALSO:

A Trump-supporting Roseanne allows the show to blissfully wander into one of "2018 pop culture’s demilitarized zones" (https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/27/17165928/roseanne-review-revival-abc-trump)
Roseanne Barr's name is in the title, but she has stepped back and is no longer the driving force (https://slate.com/culture/2018/03/the-roseanne-reboot-reviewed.html)
The sitcom voice is intact, but the zinger-based dialogue and rhythms can feel dated (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/arts/television/roseanne-reboot-review.html)
Roseanne is rough around the edges: The timing is a little off, the punchlines don't land (http://variety.com/2018/tv/reviews/roseanne-revival-new-season-10-tv-review-1202732853/)
Roseanne Barr is missing her character's famous charisma -- she is early on her reactions and slow with her delivery (http://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/roseanne-review-new-show-abc-season-10-1201944176/)
The jokes are dry and scrape the surface of meanness, while never lacking warmth (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/mar/27/roseanne-review-reboot-conners-trump)
Roseanne provides the catharsis needed in our toxic climate (https://www.glamour.com/story/the-roseanne-revival-review)
The reboot unfortunately simplifies politics into easy partisanship (https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/03/roseanne-reboot-review/556316/)
The writing lets the Conners be "woke" without proclaiming itself as such (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roseanne-revival-review_us_5ab3a497e4b054d118e04365)
Season 9 of Roseanne was a mess: Can the reboot ignore it? (http://www.vulture.com/2018/03/roseanne-season-nine-close-read.html)
It makes sense that Roseanne Conner would pick Trump over Hillary Clinton (http://time.com/5210528/roseanne-revival-political-becomes-the-personal/)
It doesn't ring true that Roseanne Conner would be a Trump voter (http://tvline.com/2018/03/09/roseanne-revival-review-season-10-new-episodes-abc/)
Showrunner Bruce Helford: Why I returned 25 years after I was fired (http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/26/roseanne-bruce-helford-returns-fired-1993/)
Darlene Conner was always Roseanne's secret ingredient and best hope (https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/3/21/17144862/revisiting-roseanne-thirty-years-later)
Newcomer Emma Kenney says politics were taboo on set (http://toofab.com/2018/03/27/roseanne-emma-kenney-so-much-more-than-politics/)
From Leonardo DiCaprio to Ellen DeGeneres: Here are Roseanne celebrity guest cameos (http://www.refinery29.com/2018/03/194140/roseanne-celebrity-guest-appearances)

TMC
03-27-2018, 09:23 PM
Yeah Dan is alive and every other twist in season 9 is undone. Basically don't take season 9 into account anymore. Dan is alive, and they never won the lottery.

The Full Story Behind The Terribly Weird Final Season Of ‘Roseanne’ (https://uproxx.com/tv/the-full-story-behind-the-terribly-weird-final-season-of-roseanne/)

Hawkee
03-28-2018, 02:37 AM
I saw the debut episode of the Roseanne reboot today and I think ABC did a smart idea of reviving Roseanne by making it new and fresh as the original Roseanne did when ABC first aired it in 1988 and it was so neat that ABC managed to recreate the entire Roseanne house like it was in the 1988 version. I thought that Roseanne was awesome in her role as a grandmother now to her grandkids and that gives us a sense of what to expect in this new Roseanne reboot. I also found it surprising that ABC managed to remake the new intro of Roseanne just like the original 1988 version's intro and I was also surprised that they used the original theme song of Roseanne for this new revival because the Roseanne theme song is just so iconic and fun and even featured Roseanne's cute laugh that she did at the end of the theme song. While amazing to watch I think ABC will have a whole new world in store for sitcoms and maybe someday in the future think of reviving Growing Pains with a different actor playing Jason Seaver or perhaps revive Home Improvement next. I think this Roseanne revival is cool and for ABC the third time really is the charm for reviving Roseanne and will prove that ABC really is the king of quality sitcoms and will continue to improve thanks to the Roseanne reboot
Bestie

Bonniegirl
03-28-2018, 02:54 AM
I think Becky and Darlene look much prettier grown up than they did as teenagers!:) Both looked really pretty !;) And I like Darlene's nicer, sweeter personality than when she was a teenager better too !;) Some of the story line was a little silly , such as Becky becoming a surrogate , and I think instead of having Mark be dead , his absence should just be that Becky and he are divorced !;) But other than that I found the show pretty enjoyable!:)

TV Guy
03-28-2018, 05:40 AM
It reminded me more of the later seasons (6-8) of the original than the earlier seasons. I liked the earlier seasons because Roseanne still had a warm side. She was someone you’d like to have a beer with. Remember when she apologized through gritted teeth to Kathy Bowman so her son could have a sleepover with his friend? The Roseanne Conner of the later seasons would NEVER have done that. Neither would the current one. I find the later/current incarnation of the character harsh and unfunny. I’d never want to be around her.

I also didn’t find last night’s writing clever like it was in the best years of the original show (seasons 3 and 4). Glad to see the original Becky, but sad to see what she has become. So they confirmed that she never finished high school after she married Mark and moved away. Odd that Darlene’s voice is now higher, and Becky’s is now deeper. Sarah Chalke has grown into a polished actress (I found her awkward during the original show). Laurie Metcalf is incredibly talented, but she had nothing to work with in terms of the writing. The grandchildren didn’t make much of an impression.

tlc38tlc38
03-28-2018, 01:16 PM
It reminded me more of the later seasons (6-8) of the original than the earlier seasons. I liked the earlier seasons because Roseanne still had a warm side. She was someone you’d like to have a beer with. Remember when she apologized through gritted teeth to Kathy Bowman so her son could have a sleepover with his friend? The Roseanne Conner of the later seasons would NEVER have done that. Neither would the current one. I find the later/current incarnation of the character harsh and unfunny. I’d never want to be around her.

I also didn’t find last night’s writing clever like it was in the best years of the original show (seasons 3 and 4). Glad to see the original Becky, but sad to see what she has become. So they confirmed that she never finished high school after she married Mark and moved away. Odd that Darlene’s voice is now higher, and Becky’s is now deeper. Sarah Chalke has grown into a polished actress (I found her awkward during the original show). Laurie Metcalf is incredibly talented, but she had nothing to work with in terms of the writing. The grandchildren didn’t make much of an impression.
I noticed their voices, too.

It's funny cause I really liked Lecy more than Sarah on the original show but I think they made a mistake with the reboot...they should've cast Sarah as Becky...I never thought I'd say that.

Without a doubt, Sara Gilbert is the star of this reboot, not Roseanne.

All in all, the reboot is funny but not LOL hilarious.

Impressions
03-28-2018, 01:47 PM
5 things I did like:

- They wrapped up the loose ends of the season 9 finale in the opening scene and the garage scene
- How Roseanne handled Mark's bullying at school, even when she didn't necessary like that he wore girl's clothes
- Darlene as a mother...get to see her softer side but she's still brash
- The fight between Roseanne and Jackie over the election
- How they mentioned what happened to some of the other characters like Mark and Jerry

5 things I didn't like:

- I liked how the resurrected the camera going around the table but the angle was little high on the opening sequence and I wish they'd have a new theme and not go back to season 3's theme (but I understand they didn't because of nostalgia purposes)
- How is Darlene's daughter only like, what, 16? The show ended when she was born...she had to be at least in her 20's, right?
- It seems like their acting skills were a little rusty, they were constantly smiling even as they told jokes or insults...kinda like the pilot
- Some of the insults between Darlene and Becky felt a little forced and the constant jabs at Becky's age got annoying
- A little too much politics: Roseanne's beliefs seemed a little forced and it felt like she was a caricature of a Trump supporter

opus
03-28-2018, 02:01 PM
If anyone likes such things (and didn't notice yesterday), Mark's teacher was the same actress who played Darlene's teacher back in the original pilot when Darlene was barking.

Bonniegirl
03-28-2018, 02:11 PM
I noticed their voices, too.

It's funny cause I really liked Lecy more than Sarah on the original show but I think they made a mistake with the reboot...they should've cast Sarah as Becky...I never thought I'd say that.

Without a doubt, Sara Gilbert is the star of this reboot, not Roseanne.

All in all, the reboot is funny but not LOL hilarious.


I agree! A great way to sum up your review!! It was funny but not LOL hilarius! Exactly! ;) Like say there never was an original Roseanne show and this was the first time we ever met the Connors!The show wouldn't be that great! All the thrill pretty much IS because we are seeing them again, not cause it's a fantastic, new funny show! ;)

And I agree about Sara Gilbert! I really like her! ;)

And was it just me or it seemed John Goodman really wasn't into it? Like now I think of him more as a great actor from all the movie roles he's been in and not so much as Dan Connor anymore and it seems like he feels that way too, if that makes sense? ;)

Bonniegirl
03-28-2018, 02:13 PM
If anyone likes such things (and didn't notice yesterday), Mark's teacher was the same actress who played Darlene's teacher back in the original pilot when Darlene was barking.


Oh wow, Really!! I didn't notice!! How cool! ;)

tlc38tlc38
03-28-2018, 02:36 PM
If anyone likes such things (and didn't notice yesterday), Mark's teacher was the same actress who played Darlene's teacher back in the original pilot when Darlene was barking.
Thanks for the trivia!

Bonniegirl
03-28-2018, 03:01 PM
I tuned in a little late yesterday ! How was it explained about Dan not being dead? Are Darlene and David divorced? Was it explained where Jackie's son Andy was?;)

opus
03-28-2018, 03:36 PM
I tuned in a little late yesterday ! How was it explained about Dan not being dead? Are Darlene and David divorced? Was it explained where Jackie's son Andy was?;)

I couldn't find the clip, but this pretty well explains how they handled Dan

http://www.etonline.com/roseanne-dan-conner-is-alive-find-out-how-his-death-is-explained-away-in-the-revival-premiere-99207

No big David/Darlene reveal, just that her and the kids are back living at home with Dan and Roseanne (although I think David's doing an episode, so that info should be coming).

I don't remember Andy being mentioned yesterday.

opus
03-28-2018, 05:04 PM
Huge ratings...

http://ew.com/tv/2018/03/28/roseanne-ratings/

king of comedy
03-28-2018, 05:05 PM
It feels as if it never left the air.

Ron Ron
03-28-2018, 06:10 PM
I loved it! So happy about the huge ratings. They have already signed on for season 2 which will have 13 episodes.

Ron Ron
03-28-2018, 06:10 PM
It feels as if it never left the air.

So true!

Artistwithmanymuses
03-28-2018, 06:19 PM
Yesss. i loved the preimere yesterday and happy thay their going to make more episodes which means we get more david. Since johnny said he would be happy to do more episodes.

DadTheKing
03-28-2018, 06:27 PM
I saw the debut episode of the Roseanne reboot today and I think ABC did a smart idea of reviving Roseanne by making it new and fresh as the original Roseanne did when ABC first aired it in 1988 and it was so neat that ABC managed to recreate the entire Roseanne house like it was in the 1988 version. I thought that Roseanne was awesome in her role as a grandmother now to her grandkids and that gives us a sense of what to expect in this new Roseanne reboot. I also found it surprising that ABC managed to remake the new intro of Roseanne just like the original 1988 version's intro and I was also surprised that they used the original theme song of Roseanne for this new revival because the Roseanne theme song is just so iconic and fun and even featured Roseanne's cute laugh that she did at the end of the theme song. While amazing to watch I think ABC will have a whole new world in store for sitcoms and maybe someday in the future think of reviving Growing Pains with a different actor playing Jason Seaver or perhaps revive Home Improvement next. I think this Roseanne revival is cool and for ABC the third time really is the charm for reviving Roseanne and will prove that ABC really is the king of quality sitcoms and will continue to improve thanks to the Roseanne reboot
Bestie
Hi, Bestie! I agree with you. It was smart for ABC to revive Rosanne. There are no shows on TV for regular people. This will be a hit.
DTK

DadTheKing
03-28-2018, 06:31 PM
5 things I did like:

- They wrapped up the loose ends of the season 9 finale in the opening scene and the garage scene
- How Roseanne handled Mark's bullying at school, even when she didn't necessary like that he wore girl's clothes
- Darlene as a mother...get to see her softer side but she's still brash
- The fight between Roseanne and Jackie over the election
- How they mentioned what happened to some of the other characters like Mark and Jerry

5 things I didn't like:

- I liked how the resurrected the camera going around the table but the angle was little high on the opening sequence and I wish they'd have a new theme and not go back to season 3's theme (but I understand they didn't because of nostalgia purposes)
- How is Darlene's daughter only like, what, 16? The show ended when she was born...she had to be at least in her 20's, right?
- It seems like their acting skills were a little rusty, they were constantly smiling even as they told jokes or insults...kinda like the pilot
- Some of the insults between Darlene and Becky felt a little forced and the constant jabs at Becky's age got annoying
- A little too much politics: Roseanne's beliefs seemed a little forced and it felt like she was a caricature of a Trump supporter
I say, thank God we have a Trump supporter in a sitcom! That is one of the reasons for the huge ratings. That and the fact that sitcoms were getting unfunnier by the minute with all the PC stuff they cover.

Impressions
03-28-2018, 07:11 PM
You do have a point there. I think it was so successful because yes, it shows both sides, which is refreshing since it seems like most of Hollywood is left-leaning.

Dale Key
03-28-2018, 10:13 PM
I can't stop rewatching these episodes. I noticed on my fourth viewing that Ms. Crane was spelled out in big letters on the front of her desk, even though she wasn't mentioned by name. I'm happy to see that both episodes were the highest rated scripted TV episodes of the season.

They're also in talks for renewal with the cast for a second (eleventh) season of 10 - 13 episodes.

Wawwie
03-28-2018, 10:34 PM
Where is Roseanne's youngest son Jerry?

KRW
03-29-2018, 12:46 AM
Where is Roseanne's youngest son Jerry?
Out on a fishing boat from what she said.

Yong Fang
03-29-2018, 06:26 AM
Will Jerry come back or just written out? Who would play Jerry? There has to be a story about Jerry.

What about Jackie's child? Or the father of that child?

What about the other lady who was her friend with the southern accent who had an affair or married Dan's father played by Ned Beatty? Will Ned Beatty do an episode?

Is Martin Mull going to be an episode?

JSP
03-29-2018, 10:15 AM
I think Becky and Darlene look much prettier grown up than they did as teenagers!:) Both looked really pretty !;) And I like Darlene's nicer, sweeter personality than when she was a teenager better too !;) Some of the story line was a little silly , such as Becky becoming a surrogate , and I think instead of having Mark be dead , his absence should just be that Becky and he are divorced !;) But other than that I found the show pretty enjoyable!:)
I did think Becky aged pretty well. As they said on the sitcom she doesn’t look 43. I didn’t think Lecy was pretty at all during the show’s original run, but now she looks good. Feels like her Becky character hasn’t changed a bit.

Dude111
03-29-2018, 04:37 PM
I think its disgusting how they mix politics in the show!!


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I swear,nothing but crap on now!!!!!



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QTMcWhiskers
03-29-2018, 06:06 PM
You do have a point there. I think it was so successful because yes, it shows both sides, which is refreshing since it seems like most of Hollywood is left-leaning.

Sex sells, which is why we see more of it everywhere. Roseanne is just catering to all audiences, not just one or two that the majority is in lock step with.

The actual reason has more to do with nostalgia and warm fuzzies - "Roseanne" would naturally go back to where it left off before the finale that said seasons 4-9 were of the perspective of the character's writings as opposed to the actual characters (a nifty if not controversial (for some) idea) . If a nostalgia trip is all the show offers, the numbers likely won't hold up.

That, and nobody watches, much less remembers, "All in the Family" anymore. That and Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton aren't around to reprise their roles.

Will Jerry come back or just written out? Who would play Jerry? There has to be a story about Jerry.

What about Jackie's child? Or the father of that child?

What about the other lady who was her friend with the southern accent who had an affair or married Dan's father played by Ned Beatty? Will Ned Beatty do an episode?

Is Martin Mull going to be an episode?

Jerry Garcia O'Connor who was originally female but the show did a silent retcon and change it all without explanation? Actually, I recall there was a reason told at some point...

Still a shame they killed off Mark so lamely.

Season 2 might answer all your questions. It's been renewed. I wonder if that will remain true if audience ratings drop. Mull definitely needs to come back, his love/hate relationship with Roseanne

QTMcWhiskers
03-29-2018, 06:16 PM
I think its disgusting how they mix politics in the show!!


EDIT:

I swear,nothing but crap on now!!!!!



[This message has been edited by Dude111 (edited 03-29-2018).]

Like back when they did in the 1990s? Do you think the revived show will rehash this nonpolitical piece?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmfBtk0WaE

TBH, it could be done if that's what the writers want to do. I'd rather see what is actually aired than engage in wondering what may be done or redone in future episodes.

Bonniegirl
03-29-2018, 06:51 PM
Sex sells, which is why we see more of it everywhere. Roseanne is just catering to all audiences, not just one or two that the majority is in lock step with.

The actual reason has more to do with nostalgia and warm fuzzies - "Roseanne" would naturally go back to where it left off before the finale that said seasons 4-9 were of the perspective of the character's writings as opposed to the actual characters (a nifty if not controversial (for some) idea) . If a nostalgia trip is all the show offers, the numbers likely won't hold up.

That, and nobody watches, much less remembers, "All in the Family" anymore. That and Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton aren't around to reprise their roles.



Jerry Garcia O'Connor who was originally female but the show did a silent retcon and change it all without explanation? Actually, I recall there was a reason told at some point...

Still a shame they killed off Mark so lamely.

Season 2 might answer all your questions. It's been renewed. I wonder if that will remain true if audience ratings drop. Mull definitely needs to come back, his love/hate relationship with Roseanne



I agree about Mark. Was it explained what the cause of death was? I really think they should have just had him and Becky be divorced!

I would like to see Jerry Garcia and Jackie's boy Andrew be written into the show.:) Also Crystal, Ed's wife and their two kids, little Ed and Angela ( I think that was the baby girl of C&E's name)? Maybe not be regulars, but recurring or at least just guest star , at least just a mention of them! ;) And Ed too! ;)

But for sure Jerry and Andy should be a part of this. ;)

And Leon, not to be rude, but I really don't care one way or another about seeing him ! ;)

Bonniegirl
03-29-2018, 06:59 PM
I did think Becky aged pretty well. As they said on the sitcom she doesn’t look 43. I didn’t think Lecy was pretty at all during the show’s original run, but now she looks good. Feels like her Becky character hasn’t changed a bit.


Yes!! As my Hubby said "She's hot"!! ;) Both of us were astonished about how she looks so much better than when she was younger!! :eek: I always thought she was cute, ( that short bowl cut she got in Season 4 wasn't very flattering though) :D but now I truly think she's beautiful!! ;)

Although I liked Lecy better as Becky, Sarah Chalke was prettier, now both the Hubby and I think Lecy is prettier! ;)

Babalu
03-29-2018, 09:07 PM
I think its disgusting how they mix politics in the show!!



Do you complain when virtually every other show on TV preaches liberal politics?

principehomura
03-30-2018, 06:57 AM
I've seen the first episode.
Apparently its only flaws were the 'political battles' between Jackie and Roseanne, where I find some dialogues and jokes a little forced. Maybe it was some roughness for not being on air for 20 years... but these bits perfectly show why this sitcom was and is huge. And I bow to Roseanne Barr and praise her gutsy way of being a free spirit and not giving a damn.
Welcome back, I missed you.

Roseanne has always been between my favorites... but I haven't rewatched it in a long time, I somehow lost touch with it, and on my personal ranking it has been overtaken by a few other tv series.
But some minutes in were enough to rethink the whole thing: I was reminded why I loved this show so much, and why I will always have a soft spot for it like no other else. I enjoyed other sequels (Twin Peaks and Gilmore Girls), but the feelings I had watching this first episode were unique.

Some sassy comments, a rare moment of weakness and my favorite character already overshadows everyone else. There's not a bad one in the show, but there's no doubt that Darlene blossomed liked noone else. Sara Gilbert was terrific as a kid, and my main worry for the sequel was that she would be too rusted after the long break: I'm glad she wasn't. My favorite parts were the ones she was involved, especially on the couch with Roseanne.

Everybody else was perfect too, and I was surprised by Lecy Goranson.
Myabe Laurie Metcalf, which ironically is no doubt the best actress of the cast- was a little over the top... but she had to deliver the hardest lines, and for Jackie they chose a characterization too wacky. I would prefer to see her in the first seasons version.

Anyway, I can't wait to see the remaining of the series!

Artistwithmanymuses
03-30-2018, 01:07 PM
The circumstances of Mark's death will be adressed in the run of this season. In the new promo photos for ep 3 and 4 there's a picture of Mark in the living room. And also new details on the whole david storyline is that he has made mistakes since his brother's death, and has a strained relationship with the conners.

principehomura
03-30-2018, 05:51 PM
Saw the second episode, and pretty much I have the same impressions I had after the first one. The show is dealing with delicate matters with the right fit and respect. On this episodes the jokes were better.
The only problem is still Jackie, her wacky characterization is being pushed too hard.

Yong Fang
03-30-2018, 09:34 PM
Yes!! As my Hubby said "She's hot"!! ;) Both of us were astonished about how she looks so much better than when she was younger!! :eek: I always thought she was cute, ( that short bowl cut she got in Season 4 wasn't very flattering though) :D but now I truly think she's beautiful!! ;)

Although I liked Lecy better as Becky, Sarah Chalke was prettier, now both the Hubby and I think Lecy is prettier! ;)

She is actually older than Mary Tyler Moore at the end of MTM Show. I was shocked to hear she was 43. But the actress is 43 years old. Time flies.

I hope that disgusting tattoo on her arm was for the show. I abhor tattoos especially on women. Tattoos represents someone who is a loser and a criminal.

JamesG
03-30-2018, 09:42 PM
I hope that disgusting tattoo on her arm was for the show. I abhor tattoos especially on women. Tattoos represents someone who is a loser and a criminal.

It's real. Yeah, what a loser she is. :rolleyes:

Artistwithmanymuses
03-30-2018, 10:27 PM
Yeah the tattoo is real. Just because a person has a tattoo doesn't mean their losers,or criminals. I know people who have tattoos, and their good people.

JSP
03-31-2018, 03:15 AM
She is actually older than Mary Tyler Moore at the end of MTM Show. I was shocked to hear she was 43. But the actress is 43 years old. Time flies.

I hope that disgusting tattoo on her arm was for the show. I abhor tattoos especially on women. Tattoos represents someone who is a loser and a criminal.
I wish women didn't get tattoos so much these days, but you have to learn to overlook it. As long as they're not covering the whole body, I can live with some tatts on a woman. Problem is women seem to really enjoy getting them and they usually can't just stop at one!

Wawwie
03-31-2018, 01:51 PM
I hope that disgusting tattoo on her arm was for the show. I abhor tattoos especially on women. Tattoos represents someone who is a loser and a criminal.I don't like tattoos either, but it does not make a person a loser or a criminal. That sort of thinking is very judgmental and idiotic.

Impressions
03-31-2018, 10:25 PM
What universe are we in, in this season 10? My guess is we're not in Roseanne's original fictional story anymore that she revealed in season 9, but rather, in some universe where she's writing about what she wrote about her family in the fictional scenario, yet with some fictional elements still being retained (i.e. Darlene having had a relationship with David and Becky having had a relationship with Mark). This observation coming from what was revealed in the season 10 premiere, that Dan's death was a work of fiction.

Mr. Television
04-01-2018, 02:21 PM
I finally watched it and I loved it. It felt like the old Roseanne not the pitiful show it became.

MA
04-01-2018, 07:18 PM
Watching this at the moment and I don’t find it funny.

Torgo
04-02-2018, 03:56 PM
I hope that disgusting tattoo on her arm was for the show. I abhor tattoos especially on women. Tattoos represents someone who is a loser and a criminal.

My daughter has a tattoo, it represents an important time in her life.

The losers are the ones that judge others.

tlc38tlc38
04-02-2018, 07:35 PM
I personally don't like tattoos but I see no problem with others having them.

TMC
04-05-2018, 04:28 PM
Did the Roseanne revival betray the old Roseanne? (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/roseanne-revival-season-10-episode-2-spanking-conservative-politics-darlene-harris-abuse)

Tuesday's episode (http://forums.previously.tv/topic/68291-s10e03-roseanne-gets-the-chair/?do=getLastComment) was "jarring" because it contradicted a key part of the original Roseanne series, says Laura Bradley. "During its original run, Roseanne was a lightning rod for a multitude of reasons—not the least of which was Roseanne Conner’s parenting style," says Bradley. "She was loud, crass, and more permissive than a traditional sitcom parent, a far cry from the squeaky-clean, 1950s sensibilities the series frequently mocked. One thing she never made a habit of, though, was spanking her children. And her reasoning was extremely well established: as the characters make clear through multiple seasons, Roseanne and her sister, Jackie, were abused by their father. The one time Roseanne was ever shown spanking one of her children, her outburst ended with a tearful apology—which is why the central plot of Tuesday’s installment of the rebooted series felt misguided at best, and like a forced expression of conservative talking points at worst. It’s further evidence that despite any protestations to the contrary, the new Roseanne has a distinct ideology—which is why it’s struck such a chord with right-leaning viewers."

ALSO:

Roseanne is definitely a political show, contrary to what producers keep saying (http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/roseanne-is-a-political-series-full-stop.html)
Roseanne might be most divisive among liberals (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/how-roseanne-divides-the-left/557120/)
Even if Roseanne had good intentions, its throwaway joke about Black-ish and Fresh Off the Boat was reprehensible (http://variety.com/2018/tv/columns/roseanne-abc-blackish-fresh-off-the-boat-column-1202744021/)

Impressions
04-07-2018, 12:28 PM
The '00s Roseanne is obviously way different from the '90s Roseanne, in terms of political views, in the '90s she was far left, now she's far right.

Regarding the "violence" comment, I don't consider what she did in the episode 3 as violent at all. It was harmless. People are just trying to find a way to make an issue over nothing.

Dude111
04-08-2018, 06:00 AM
The joke was UNCALLED FOR!!!!!

She better watch it I think!!!

JSP
04-08-2018, 02:45 PM
The joke was UNCALLED FOR!!!!!

She better watch it I think!!!
Overreacting much?

TMC
04-11-2018, 12:39 PM
Quit making sweeping pronouncements about Roseanne based on a few episodes! (http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/roseanne-sitcom-storytelling-problem.html)

There have been all kinds of sweeping pronouncements about the Roseanne revival -- it's been called pro-Trump, anti-Trump and everything in between. The problem, says Kathryn VanArendonk, is that these arguments hang on a single joke, or episode. "I almost can’t believe I’m going to say this, because I firmly believe that it’s a good and useful thing to consider a single TV episode in a vacuum," she says. "That should be especially true for a sitcom, where episodes are largely stand-alone, and each of them has a cell-like tendency to be representative of the entire DNA of a series. And in many of those responses, especially of the third episode, have been biting, valuable acts of criticism. But in the case of Roseanne, the rush to say that the show is doing or arguing any one particular thing, and the willingness to hang those assertions on a single line in a single episode, is also flattening how we see the show. This is not meant as a defense of Roseanne, but a suggestion that maybe the show’s perceived failures have a lot to do with our incomplete understanding of how a sitcom works."

ALSO:

Roseanne delivered its best revival episode yet -- but what happened to the politics? (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-roseanne-revival-aired-its-best-episode-yet-will-it-shut-up-the-haters)
Lecy Goranson says she isn't a Trump fan, "but does that mean I’m furious about the woman who plays my mother on a TV show? No." (http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/roseannes-lecy-goranson-on-how-she-feels-about-trump.html)
Roseanne and The Middle are finally together, at least temporarily (https://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/together-at-last-roseanne-and-the-middle-two-takes-on-blue-collar-midwest/)
Roseanne is the new Hillbilly Elegy -- one family narrative being made to stand for so much more (https://www.salon.com/2018/04/08/roseanne-the-rust-belt-and-the-dangers-of-the-single-story/)
Carrie Fisher, Joss Whedon and Amy Sherman-Palladino all have written for Roseanne (https://decider.com/2018/04/06/13-people-who-wrote-for-roseanne/)
Roseanne pays tribute to the late Glenn Quinn, who played Becky Conner's boyfriend and, later, husband (http://deadline.com/2018/04/roseanne-tribute-to-late-cast-member-glenn-quinn-1202362182/)

Bonniegirl
04-11-2018, 12:47 PM
Again I forgot to watch it,:( I forgot last week too!!:crazy:

Mr. Television
04-11-2018, 02:08 PM
I never watch it live. I watch it on demand.

JSP
04-11-2018, 08:29 PM
I never watch it live. I watch it on demand.
Hulu for me.

tlc38tlc38
04-11-2018, 08:52 PM
I watch live since I don't have internet, other than my phone.

Bonniegirl
04-11-2018, 09:40 PM
I watch live since I don't have internet, other than my phone.


I watch live cause I'm old fashioned !! :D And I have to program my old brain to remember to watch this on Tuesdays! :crazy:

JSP
04-12-2018, 10:23 AM
So far Michael Fishman hasn’t had much to do on this reboot and that’s for the best as he’s not a very good actor. The less we see of him is probably the better.

TMC
04-26-2018, 12:09 AM
Roseanne revival is just so depressing, unlike the hopeful original series (https://decider.com/2018/04/24/roseanne-revival-depressing/)
ABC's Roseanne revival "doesn't doesn’t feel much like a comedy at all, but a mirror to American misery," says Megan O'Keefe. She adds: "The nihilism of these new episodes of Roseanne could be interesting if they came with any additional sort of insight. Comedy can be bleak, it can be tough, and it can be angry, but if it’s going to be all those things, it’s also got to be cathartic. That’s something this new Roseanne doesn’t seem to get. Instead of allowing us confront the sorrows plaguing us, it shoves our faces in it."

TMC
04-26-2018, 12:12 AM
So far Michael Fishman hasn’t had much to do on this reboot and that’s for the best as he’s not a very good actor. The less we see of him is probably the better.

I don't think that Michael Fishman was ever really going to be a predominate actor beyond Roseanne. He was there because he believably looked like he could be Rosanne Barr's child in real life. Plus, he was just a cute kid who nailed his lines.

Corkys-Place
05-01-2018, 09:27 PM
I don't think that Michael Fishman was ever really going to be a predominate actor beyond Roseanne. He was there because he believably looked like he could be Rosanne Barr's child in real life. Plus, he was just a cute kid who nailed his lines.

Apparently he's invested his earnings from the original series of Roseanne quite well and is doing alright for himself. :)