(UPDATE) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_State_Killer#Suspect)

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On April 24, 2018, Sacramento Police arrested 72-year-old Joseph James DeAngelo (born November 8, 1945). DeAngelo, a former police officer in Auburn and Exeter California was charged with six counts of first-degree murder. Authorities in Sacramento, Orange, Santa Barbara, and Ventura counties are preparing charges against DeAngelo for all twelve of the murders in the Golden State Killer case. Before the arrest, law enforcement searched for the Golden State Killer's DNA on a genealogy website, and identified the killer's family. They identified DeAngelo as the main suspect and acquired a sample of his DNA, which matched the killer's.
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I feel compelled to start a brand new thread about this case. There have been a number of threads in the past and I'll post links to some of them at the bottom of my post. But, given the increased attention this case has garnered in the last two years, this needs to be at the top of the heap.

It's always important to reiterate that this lone individual is responsible 12 murders, 45 sexual assaults and more than 120 burglaries from Sacramento to Orange County between 1976 – 1986.

The case of the East Area Rapist (EAR, for short), Original Night Stalker (ONS, for short) and Golden State Killer (GSK, for short) has been featured through the years on numerous true crime programs. Some of those being: MSNBC Investigates, CBS Unsolved Mysteries, E! True Hollywood Story, ID Dark Minds. I first became aware of the case from the 2003 airing of A&E's Cold Case Files, hosted by Bill Kurtis. For a true crime buff, that's one of the most fascinating hours of television I've ever seen. The breadth and scope of the perpetrator's crimes is pure nightmare fuel.

In 2010, one of the original investigators (Larry Crompton) from Contra Costa published a book entitled "Sudden Terror". The book chronicles each rape and murder in chilling detail and makes for a priceless resource of original case files. Another book has also been published by another one of the original investigators (Richard Shelby) called "Hunting a Psychopath". I've yet to read that.

More recently, the case was shepherded by Michelle McNamara (late wife of comedian Patton Oswalt). Mrs. McNamara was a true crime writer with her own blog and an obsession for unsolved murders, particularly. In 2013 Michelle wrote a feature length piece for LA Magazine entitled "In The Footsteps of a Killer". She continued to write about and work the case until her untimely passing last year at the young age of 46. A link to Michelle's LA MAG feature is listed below.

Golden State Killer Archives – LA Magazine (http://www.lamag.com/tag/golden-state-killer/)

In The Footsteps of a Killer: The Writer's Cut (http://www.lamag.com/thejump/in-the-footsteps-of-a-killer-the-writers-cut/)

Michelle McNamara's posthumously finished book about the case is being released on Tuesday, February 27th 2018:

I'll Be Gone in the Dark: One Woman's Obsessive Search for the Golden State Killer (https://www.amazon.com/Ill-Be-Gone-Dark-Obsessive/dp/0062319787/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1519465940&sr=8-1&dpID=517V%252BMnWOlL&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=detail)

https://bi.hcpdts.com/page/450/EwIaWqDxBJPJUu7rJh2VzSvBBPt3mV3EqvQbYlXSAfRS7vB3CidS!pxvgzMNfZ1nRiJTw0coSw6po!WgF19IVUZT3DurzUA1hZCnDYn9Y3FgWMZOxO7nbASp+W5SBQKW/u34+1F!EVWH7ngw7NLVXIcKIKW2pmYA+Gl!w8rbMsYH!BRIAG5OUet9tcq9F2XjffXkZsjELHH1dotzfe59Az2vNK7LiZyZN+sBWsKtMX1WWsW1OYzkgsRAdZgmVYczu

On Monday, March 5th, 2018 at 9 PM EST, Investigation Discover (ID) will begin airing a two-part program about the case. Here's a trailer:

Trailer for The Golden State Killer: It's Not Over (ID) (https://www.facebook.com/InvestigationDiscovery/videos/10155720565724902/)

And on Sunday, March 18th, 2018 at 9 PM EST, HLN will begin airing a five-part series about the case, several years on the making.. Here's a trailer:

Trailer for Unmasking a Killer (HLN) (https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2018/02/14/unmasking-a-killer-trailer-hln.cnn)

http://image.ibb.co/j8OvyH/uak_key_art_horizontal.jpg

As mentioned at the top of the thread, here are some links to past discussions about this case on the UM forum:

"Sudden Terror" - a new book about the Original Night Stalker (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=271096&highlight=original+night+stalker)

EAST AREA SERIAL RAPIST/KILLER (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=224079&highlight=original+night+stalker)

Original Night Stalker on THS Investigates (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=246013&highlight=original+night+stalker)

Unknown California rapist and serial killer (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=180204&highlight=original+night+stalker)

Original Night Stalker case (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=84410&highlight=original+night+stalker)

East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=259579)

...

One of the best online resources and meeting places to discuss this case can be found here:

http://earonsgsk.proboards.com

Thanks for compiling all this information in one place! Definitely a case worthy of multiple threads, if you ask me....

I still say that the “Golden State Killer” moniker is really, REALLY stupid. But hey, that’s just me. ✌️

I still say that the “Golden State Killer” moniker is really, REALLY stupid. But hey, that’s just me. ✌️

Agree

I still say that the “Golden State Killer” moniker is really, REALLY stupid. But hey, that’s just me. ✌️

It takes some gall to anoint ones self to change the name of a serial rapist/killer. Ear/Ons has been in use by LE for at least 15 years. But sure, why not? Lets let some Hollywood type who has no LE or investigative experience access to sensitive case files of an active investigation so she can write a book. :crazy:

The Golden State Killer: It's Not Over [Sneak Peak] (https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/golden-state-killer-its-not-over/full-episodes/the-golden-state-killer-its-not-over-sneak-peek)

It takes some gall to anoint ones self to change the name of a serial rapist/killer. Ear/Ons has been in use by LE for at least 15 years. But sure, why not? Lets let some Hollywood type who has no LE or investigative experience access to sensitive case files of an active investigation so she can write a book. :crazy:


Well, to be fair, someone also had the "gall" to dub him the Original Night Stalker, and to a lesser extent the East Area Rapist. Often these monikers are devised by the press not law enforcement. I don't agree with the need for the rebranding, especially after the original names being so well established for decades, but it is what it is. Personally I'm still going to refer to him by the original names as that's what I've always known him as but if people want to call him GSK then fine, as long as we're at least still talking about him.

Similarly, I have no issue with her having access to the case files. They've not been doing a whole lot of good collecting dust, so again from my perspective anything that's drumming up interest in finding this guy is fine. It's also not a whole lot different to the activities of members of this board or other web sleuths, there's just an added profit level which in turn allows for greater publicity which a case like this needs.


What is creepy though, is that he's probably reading the book with the rest of us.

As discussed in other threads, I also find it a bit annoying that EAR was rebranded as the Golden State Killer by McNamara. I know this a "press" type of move on her part but I don't really understand why it was necessary...except for potential personal gain. I feel bad saying that because she has since passed away, but that's just how I feel.

I agree, it's creepy that EAR might actually be reading the book along with the rest of us. But you know what else is creepy? (here I become a bit nasty) McNamara died in April of 2016 and her husband remarried just a little over a year later.

Anyway, let's just hope this EAR person gets caught. I'm sick of his crap already. It's just long over due for a capture.

I can understand why some people don't like the name Michelle McNamara 'gave' to EAR/ONS. When I first read "In The Footsteps of a Killer (http://www.lamag.com/thejump/in-the-footsteps-of-a-killer-the-writers-cut/)" – I didn't like it either, frankly. But, then after reading the essay I got over that minor quibble in like 15 minutes. That was like five years ago. I think it might be time to let that go...if that's still something that is bugging you.

Debbie Domingo, daughter of EAR/ONS/GSK victim Cheri Domingo (http://coldcase-earons.com/ons6.php), had nothing but nice things to say about Michelle when reading an excerpt from the book on her YT channel here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HazLHTE1Sc) a month ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HazLHTE1Sc

They'll never catch this guy since he appears to be done with his crimes. He's likely dead or just too old to keep going. If he was in prison, we'd have his DNA to match up to the killer's, so it seems unlikely he was ever imprisoned for any serious crimes. Unless he gets arrogant and begins taunting police later in life (like BTK did), he won't be caught.

To my knowledge there are no real suspects. Just a sketch that looks like 50% of white males alive in 1976. He could literally be anyone. He was very careful, wore ski-masks and gloves, and left almost no evidence behind (except for DNA, which no one could have known about back then).

This case isn't fun to talk about for these reasons. No one knows anything. There's nothing to speculate about, no suspects to debate and no real evidence.

This case isn't fun to talk about for these reasons. No one knows anything. There's nothing to speculate about, no suspects to debate and no real evidence.

I would never try and talk someone out of their opinions on the case but I have to take issue with this. While I will concede that talking about this case is never "fun" it is endlessly fascinating, to me at least. There's a wealth of case files to sift through and it's very gripping, once it gets its hooks into you. There are a number of suspects that have been raised through the years, naturally all have been cleared. But, among the true obsessives, there absolutely are persons of interest that are still living that very much check all the boxes. This leads to endless debates on these sites (and others):

http://earonsgsk.proboards.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/EARONS/

And as for no real evidence? I mean there are 45-50 rapes and 10-12 murders, depending on who you are asking. There's probably more case files, police reports, etc than most notorious, unsolved crime sprees.

- There's a full DNA profile. Even the Zodiac case doesn't have that.
- There's a full voice recording of him. Maybe three.
- We know he was a non-secretor.
- We have several composites that authorities are very confident about.
- We know he had a small penis.
- He knew how to tie a Diamond Knot. Tying ornate knots is a pretty unique characteristic.

That's just off the top of my head at 3 AM.

This perpetrator was the real life boogeyman. This guy was prolific. And yet, with all of this...it's still 'the little case that could'. Maybe I'm just optimistic but I think science is eventually going solve this case. He may be dead, but we'll know who this son of a bitch was.

Just watched the 48 Hours episode on the case that aired here last night. Sad that it seems she put so much stress on herself to solve this case that it seems to have contributed heavily to her early passing.

They'll never catch this guy since he appears to be done with his crimes. He's likely dead or just too old to keep going. If he was in prison, we'd have his DNA to match up to the killer's, so it seems unlikely he was ever imprisoned for any serious crimes. Unless he gets arrogant and begins taunting police later in life (like BTK did), he won't be caught.

To my knowledge there are no real suspects. Just a sketch that looks like 50% of white males alive in 1976. He could literally be anyone. He was very careful, wore ski-masks and gloves, and left almost no evidence behind (except for DNA, which no one could have known about back then).



Agreed. In other cases in that region where there's a laundry list of possible suspects, a good handful of em have since died which is my inclination here. However, like BTK, it's also quite possible he could still be alive.

I wonder if they were ever able to use this evidence to find a person of interest though? (Given that it's 5 yrs old almost, I kind of doubt it)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/09/public-assistance-sought-in-original-night-stalker-case-after-new-evidence-uncovered-in-irvine/

Agreed. In other cases in that region where there's a laundry list of possible suspects, a good handful of em have since died which is my inclination here. However, like BTK, it's also quite possible he could still be alive.

According to Paul Holes, who is one of the lead investigators on the GSK task force, the 7th rape victim received a phone call in 2001. This was two days after the public announcement that the DNA from the EAR crimes had been linked to the ONS crimes. So as recently as 2001 he contacted a previous victim and taunted her. He reportedly said in his clinched teeth voice: "Do you remember when we played?". This victim's name was never made public (obviously) and she was confident it was the EAR.

I wonder if they were ever able to use this evidence to find a person of interest though? (Given that it's 5 yrs old almost, I kind of doubt it)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/09/public-assistance-sought-in-original-night-stalker-case-after-new-evidence-uncovered-in-irvine/

If they have, it hasn't been made public.

People magazine, in their long-form piece last year, was allowed to release some new details from authorities.

People Investigates EARONSGSK - New Evidence (http://people.com/crime/golden-state-serial-killer-gallery-new-evidence/the-golden-state-killer)

I'll take this opportunity to link the three most well regarded composites here:

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeopledotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fserial-killer-composite.jpg&w=1100&q=85

I would never try and talk someone out of their opinions on the case but I have to take issue with this. While I will concede that talking about this case is never "fun" it is endlessly fascinating, to me at least. There's a wealth of case files to sift through and it's very gripping, once it gets its hooks into you. There are a number of suspects that have been raised through the years, naturally all have been cleared. But, among the true obsessives, there absolutely are persons of interest that are still living that very much check all the boxes. This leads to endless debates on these sites (and others):

http://earonsgsk.proboards.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/EARONS/

And as for no real evidence? I mean there are 45-50 rapes and 10-12 murders, depending on who you are asking. There's probably more case files, police reports, etc than most notorious, unsolved crime sprees.

- There's a full DNA profile. Even the Zodiac case doesn't have that.
- There's a full voice recording of him. Maybe three.
- We know he was a non-secretor.
- We have several composites that authorities are very confident about.
- We know he had a small penis.
- He knew how to tie a Diamond Knot. Tying ornate knots is a pretty unique characteristic.

That's just off the top of my head at 3 AM.

This perpetrator was the real life boogeyman. This guy was prolific. And yet, with all of this...it's still 'the little case that could'. Maybe I'm just optimistic but I think science is eventually going solve this case. He may be dead, but we'll know who this son of a bitch was.


Agreed. I find the case fascinating as well, especially with the lack of certain details. (Isn't that why we're all at a board for Unsolved Mysteries? :D ) None of the Zodiac suspects ever panned out, their biggest one they ruled out with what DNA they had from both, so having suspects doesn't affect my intrigue level.

Regarding the DNA/prison talk earlier, I thought there were legal roadblocks that prevented incarcerated individuals from having to submit DNA. They take them now during active investigations but I could have sworn it came up in one of these cases that there was some kind of injunction or civil rights case that was preventing it from being obtained from individuals already incarcerated that didn't have DNA on file to be used in cold cases? (particularly in California? am I imagining things?)

Wow. Assuming he's still alive then, I guess the only way he'll be caught is if his arrogance drives him over the edge and he makes some BTK-style mistake.

I was going to say though, if the authorities could get a list of people who worked on the construction of the shopping center mentioned (see that CBS link), then perhaps they could dig into the backgrounds of every person on said list and maybe develop a POI from there?

If that really was him making calls in 2000 then he could easily still be around, and that was over a decade after the ONS crimes stopped.

Maybe he found away to curb the more violent urges or channel them into something else, maybe he has a partner that lets him do some of the things he had the rapes for, maybe he's physically disabled and can't perform them, and all of these things just leave the occasional phone call as a way to revisit it. I'd have to think if he was still calling that he couldn't be in prison, the "You have a call from an inmate at _____" would be a big arrow, and there's no way he'd do it from a recorded prison phone system with the other measures he took to conceal himself.

Regarding the DNA/prison talk earlier, I thought there were legal roadblocks that prevented incarcerated individuals from having to submit DNA. They take them now during active investigations but I could have sworn it came up in one of these cases that there was some kind of injunction or civil rights case that was preventing it from being obtained from individuals already incarcerated that didn't have DNA on file to be used in cold cases? (particularly in California? and I'm imagining things?)

Murder Victims' Relative Seeks Wider State DNA Database (2003) (http://articles.latimes.com/2003/dec/22/local/me-dna22)

California Proposition 69 (2004) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_69_(2004))

Bruce Harrington, brother of Keith Harrington (who along with his wife Patrice was murdered by EARONSGSK in 1980), spent nearly $2 million to promote the passage Proposition 69.

"Proposition 69 requires the collection of DNA samples from all felons, and from adults and juveniles arrested for or charged with specified crimes. The DNA samples must be submitted to the state's DNA database. (https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_69,_Required_Collection_of_DNA_Samples_from_Felons_(2004))"

Murder Victims' Relative Seeks Wider State DNA Database (2003) (http://articles.latimes.com/2003/dec/22/local/me-dna22)

California Proposition 69 (2004) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_69_(2004))

Bruce Harrington, brother of Keith Harrington (who along with his wife Patrice was murdered by EARONSGSK in 1980), spent nearly $2 million to promote the passage Proposition 69.

"Proposition 69 requires the collection of DNA samples from all felons, and from adults and juveniles arrested for or charged with specified crimes. The DNA samples must be submitted to the state's DNA database. (https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_69,_Required_Collection_of_DNA_Samples_from_Felons_(2004))"


I just realized it was the UM segment itself that covered this, you'd think with all the bizarre edits made to segments that they'd not have left that in being outdated.

I'll take this opportunity to link the three most well regarded composites here:

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeopledotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fserial-killer-composite.jpg&w=1100&q=85

https://static2.therichestimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Owen-Wilson.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=138&h=138&dpr=1.5

Hah!

https://static2.therichestimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Owen-Wilson.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=138&h=138&dpr=1.5

https://media.giphy.com/media/dKbmiN8T1oYtq/giphy.gif

https://static2.therichestimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Owen-Wilson.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=138&h=138&dpr=1.5
"Wow!"

We cracked it!

I still say that the “Golden State Killer” moniker is really, REALLY stupid. But hey, that’s just me. ✌️

It's better than the "SPK".

While monikers are a media device, they draw attention to the case. GSK brings new attention to this case.
EAR came from a newspaper reporter who noticed all the rape cases were in the "East Area" of Sacramento.

However EAR became inaccurate when he turned to murder. Richard Ramirez became better known as the Night Stalker and I believe the association may have lead some to believe the EAR/ONS was known and captured.

It's better than the "SPK".

While monikers are a media device, they draw attention to the case. GSK brings new attention to this case.
EAR came from a newspaper reporter who noticed all the rape cases were in the "East Area" of Sacramento.

However EAR became inaccurate when he turned to murder. Richard Ramirez became better known as the Night Stalker and I believe the association may have lead some to believe the EAR/ONS was known and captured.

Totally semantics but he still raped and murdered, so the EAR moniker wasn't totally inaccurate. Stalking doesn't imply murder either.

Agreed. I find the case fascinating as well, especially with the lack of certain details. (Isn't that why we're all at a board for Unsolved Mysteries? :D ) None of the Zodiac suspects ever panned out, their biggest one they ruled out with what DNA they had from both, so having suspects doesn't affect my intrigue level.

Jack the Ripper anyone? :rolleyes:

There are just too many "unsolved" cases being solved for me to rule out anything these days. This killer even if he is dead needs to be outed.
Zodiac with his wacko outfit and cryptograms grabs the imagination, but EAR/ONS/GKS is the nightmare.

I think his crimes against the children that were present need to be remembered. He did not hesitate to assaulted them as well. Many of them were young and hopefully don't remember the incident as well as their parents, but their fear had to be un-imaginable. After reading and hearing the details of the cases, I have no doubt he would have killed the children if he had to.

It's possible he was killed during the commission of a burglary (is it wrong to hope so?). Its also possible he found a compliant mate to fulfill his fantasies or those fantasies faded. BTK/Rader was able to function for a number of years appearing as a normal member of society and didn't re-engage with taunting the police until he felt the urge to kill again. Maybe he knew he was getting older and wasn't in the condition to commit the crimes.

I believe his physical fitness played a key role in his planning. If that was fading and he knew he wasn't quite the young man of his early 20s it might be one of the reason he started killing.

If he is alive, pointing out the facts of this case, and his physical err humph "differences" (he apparently had terrible body odor as well) may draw him back out. It may generate a lead from his spouse or children or relatives. Someone might recall working with him on a building site or someone may have kept his business card with a similar handwriting.

Couple of updates:

Golden State Killer: It's Not Over (On ID) (https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/golden-state-killer-its-not-over/) Episodes now available to be viewed On Demand.

"I'll Be Gone In the Dark" will debut at #1 on the NYT Best Sellers list for Nonfiction.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXuDhL2VwAAcY5g.jpg:large

Wasn't there a guy photographed at one of the town meetings that bore a striking resemblance to the middle composite?

Wasn't there a guy photographed at one of the town meetings that bore a striking resemblance to the middle composite?

Yes, there are several town hall photos taken from 1977.

This is perhaps one of the widest shots I've seen. The fellow in the "puffy" jacket got some attention of citizen sleuths in recent years and I'm not 100% certain he was ever cleared. There other photos that show other interesting matches for the composites. I don't know enough to speak about their being cleared - or not.

https://image.ibb.co/kyT557/ear_town_hall_photo.png

Here we go again. 🤣

Here we go again. 🤣

:confused:

The composite hair, which is all I can really make out from Puffy Coat, is like a 90s cesar. Everyone had that in the 70s.

My memory's drawing a blank, how'd the come up with the composites again? I thought he was always wearing a ski mask.

"Suspicious" men in the neighborhood in the days before the attacks, plus a witness to a man running from the Marine being murdered.

The guy on "GSK: It's not over" flat out said there's a good chance NONE of the composites look like the EAR

If you have CNN Go on your Roku or Smart TV, you can watch the first episode before it airs tomorrow. I just finished it. Really well done.

If you have CNN Go on your Roku or Smart TV, you can watch the first episode before it airs tomorrow. I just finished it. Really well done.


Is this available to watch outside the US?

Someone out there either knows or suspects their relative, friend or co-worker looks like the Golden State Killer. But they are shaking their head saying noway, he couldn't hurt a fly. He is a tall, clean cut man who on the surface appears to be a responsible good man with an honest face. Probably served in the military and maybe even has a great family by now. He is in good shape. He most likely is from Calif and still lives here. The point being they must submit this mans name to the FBI. The FBI will try to rule him out first via computer - was he incarcerated during some of the GSK crimes or was he in another state etc, if they can't rule him out they will interview him and/or try to get a DNA sample. Either way if he is not the GSK then no harm. Submit your tip to the FBI : https://tips.fbi.gov/

Docuseries Based On Michelle McNamara’s ‘I’ll Be Gone In The Dark’ True-Crime Book In Works At HBO (http://deadline.com/2018/04/michelle-mcnamara-ill-be-gone-in-the-dark-true-crime-book-docuseries-hbo-1202360109/)

Docuseries Based On Michelle McNamara’s ‘I’ll Be Gone In The Dark’ True-Crime Book In Works At HBO (http://deadline.com/2018/04/michelle-mcnamara-ill-be-gone-in-the-dark-true-crime-book-docuseries-hbo-1202360109/)

Nice! If HBO is doing it, it's gonna be top-notch.

The HBO project should be interesting. And BTW I have recently started to add Golden State Killer links and information to my FaceBook novel page ( " LIVING IN THE TIME OF WOLVES") https://www.facebook.com/Living-in-the-Time-of-Wolves-192781177513443/ and if you are interested you can "Friend me" (https://www.facebook.com/ed.zap.9 just mention the sitcomonline site) and view my long thread on another FBI Fugitive-William Bradford Bishop. Thanks Ed

Yes, there are several town hall photos taken from 1977.

This is perhaps one of the widest shots I've seen. The fellow in the "puffy" jacket got some attention of citizen sleuths in recent years and I'm not 100% certain he was ever cleared. There other photos that show other interesting matches for the composites. I don't know enough to speak about their being cleared - or not.

https://image.ibb.co/kyT557/ear_town_hall_photo.png

how do you kow this is the meeting he was at?

What methods or sites can you use to figure out someones travel history? ie, did they live in California etc.

So why do you think this guy is suddenly getting a huge amount of attention all of a sudden?

So why do you think this guy is suddenly getting a huge amount of attention all of a sudden?

Making a Murderer.

So why do you think this guy is suddenly getting a huge amount of attention all of a sudden?

Lots of reasons:
--sheer amount of time this guy has been unidentified
--sheer number of victims
--sheer brutality of his crimes
--how crazy detailed this guy was. He wasn't Richard Ramirez. He didn't strike at random. However he picked his victims, he stalked them for a time prior to the crime and in some cases, afterwards. Those answering machines messages he's left some of his victims are straight up nightmare fuel, if you ask me....
--McNamara's book (I'm currently reading it and while I'm not sure about it, I will admit that the circumstances of her death certainly add some more intrigue to the case and did help bring it into the spotlight a bit more.)

What do you mean by, " circumstances of her death " ?

What do you mean by, " circumstances of her death " ?

Married to a famous comedian, who "finished" her book to some degree, and remarried to a lookalike after a year. It all leads to extra press.

What do you mean by, " circumstances of her death " ?

By all accounts of those who knew her, McNamara became obsessed with uncovering who the EAR/ONS killer was. Writing the book completely consumed her and may have been a contributing factor to her death. Gillian Flynn (author of Gone Girl), in her foreward of McNamara's book, opines that McNamara was a victim of the EAR/ONS herself.

I wouldn't necessarily go *that* far, but her death certainly added press to the subject, as drew put it.

McNamara, a victim of EAR/ONS? :lol:

She died because she was a pill popper.

#realtalk

Looks like Ear/Ons gets to add another victim to his tally according to LooksLikeCRicci.

Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh. On a serious note, what preposterous tripe to actually put that line of thinking out there! LOL

Lots of reasons:
--sheer amount of time this guy has been unidentified
--sheer number of victims
--sheer brutality of his crimes
--how crazy detailed this guy was. He wasn't Richard Ramirez. He didn't strike at random. However he picked his victims, he stalked them for a time prior to the crime and in some cases, afterwards. Those answering machines messages he's left some of his victims are straight up nightmare fuel, if you ask me....
--McNamara's book (I'm currently reading it and while I'm not sure about it, I will admit that the circumstances of her death certainly add some more intrigue to the case and did help bring it into the spotlight a bit more.)


yeah but he's been around for quite a while. Up until before 2016 or so only true crime buffs even really knew about him. Interesting there has been a huge surge in interest

Looks like Ear/Ons gets to add another victim to his tally according to LooksLikeCRicci.

Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh. On a serious note, what preposterous tripe to actually put that line of thinking out there! LOL


Um, yeah. If you actually read the comment in its entirety, you'd see that's actually not what I said. I was quoting the foreward of the book. Not my opinion. Gillian Flynn's.

But thanks. I also needed a good laugh.

www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3739691
This one is titled: Golden State Killer Detectives Locate Leads on Amazon.com


http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3741546
And this one is titled: Golden State Killer Has Been Identified

If these were true it would be in more news then just these two blogs! what you all think?

www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3739691
This one is titled: Golden State Killer Detectives Locate Leads on Amazon.com


http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3741546
And this one is titled: Golden State Killer Has Been Identified

If these were true it would be in more news then just these two blogs! what you all think?

The woman you are quoting is an absolute crackpot.

https://www.amazon.com/Lori-Cleopatra-Vander-Ark/e/B005WR3W8I

When she is finally sued for liable and slander that top notch attorney known as LooksLikeCRicci can defend her.
:lol:

The woman you are quoting is an absolute crackpot.

https://www.amazon.com/Lori-Cleopatra-Vander-Ark/e/B005WR3W8I

When she is finally sued for liable and slander that top notch attorney known as LooksLikeCRicci can defend her.
:lol:


Looks like the CIA is pissed at her. She oviously thinks some one in her family is the killer. I figured if they identified him it would be big news not just on some blog. :)

Yes, people on the EARONSGSK Pro Board think she's a kook.

Reminds me of Deborah Perez, the lady that said her dad was the Zodiac Killer back in 2009. Woman: Dad was the Zodiac, and I can prove it - SFGate (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjlpMT-w8zaAhVJ7oMKHSi_BHUQFjAAegQIABAq&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfgate.com%2Fcrime%2Farticle%2FWoman-Dad-was-the-Zodiac-and-I-can-prove-it-3162785.php&usg=AOvVaw2n3cijQhhJ8Ee8ArU46moi)

It's A) Sad that there are that many attention seeking looney's and B) That the families have to get their hopes up momentarily.

The woman you are quoting is an absolute crackpot.

https://www.amazon.com/Lori-Cleopatra-Vander-Ark/e/B005WR3W8I

When she is finally sued for liable and slander that top notch attorney known as LooksLikeCRicci can defend her.
:lol:

Funny, because I’m a prosecutor.

On another note, it’s nice to see you again, LFPI. Play by the rules this time.

There has been mention in the past that the Golden State Killer may have been a Boy Scout....Living in the Time of Wolves https://www.facebook.com/Living-in-the-Time-of-Wolves-192781177513443/
17 hrs ·
One thing about the Golden State Killer is...he adapts, he is flexible and able to adjust his methods and schedule for the most success for his mission of death. He is patient and prepared, a deadly combination. He restrained his victims with complicated knots like the "Diamond Knot" and towards the end of his killing spree he cut the restraints off his dead victims and took them with him. He was obviously trying to take the evidence with him. To me this points out he is concerned the ligatures will led to his doorstep. His ligatures could be the best evidence against him. They could hang him. Some have suspected the GSK had a military background. Rope tying & specialty knots are not taught in public school. The GSK knot tying seem second nature to him. Something he knows well and learned early in his life. Specialty knot tying is taught in the military...for the most part only in advance training like Seal Training, Special Forces or USMC Mountain Warfare Training. Do I think he was in any of these units? I mentioned it before and still feel if he ever got into those units he would be good at physical abilities and perhaps ingenuity but fail as a team player and take too many risks. But that's not the only place that teaches rope tying. It is also taught in the Boy Scouts. You can earn a Merit Badge in "Climbing" and part of the training is you must demonstrate your ability to tie knots. "Knots. Demonstrate the ability to tie each of the following knots. Give at least one example of how each knot is used in belaying, climbing, or rappelling. "
(a) Figure eight on a bight
(b) Figure eight follow-through
(c) Water knot
(d) Double fisherman’s knot (grapevine knot)
(e) Safety knot
Another interesting Boy Scout connection is the Map the Golden State Killer left at a crime scene. Believe it or not you can earn a Merit Badge for Architecture - Requirements
1. Do the following:
a. Tour your community and list the different types of
buildings you see. Try to identify buildings that can
be associated with a specific period of history or style
of architecture. Make a sketch of the building you
most admire.
The last Scout connection is the GSK's "General Custer" essay. You can earn a Merit Badge in American Heritage. "Research an event of historical importance that took place in or near your area. If possible, visit the place.
Tell your counselor about the event and how it affected local history. Describe how the area looked then and what it now looks like. "
Remember the Boy Scout Motto- Always Be Prepared. So I guess it's possible the evidence he dropped were pages from his old Boy Scout Merit Badge notebook

https://www.scouting.org/programs/boy-scouts/advancement-and-awards/merit-badges/

1- The diamond knot only appeared once out of 50+ crimes.
2- Expert opinions are divided on if it was a true diamond knot or if it wasn’t.
3- The only reason this “lead” ever got any legs was simply because there was nothing else to go on.

Yes, I don't think I would know a Diamond knot if I saw one, point is if you look at all the evidence as a group, the Big Picture, the Boy Scout connection makes sense. Even the Two Gun buckle mentioned under hypnosis that was discredited is similar to buckles given to Boy Scouts ( "NRA BSA" ). Some mention that GSK was a Rigger in an Airborne unit which explains why he used shoe laces too ? I was in the 173rd Airborne Nam '68-"69, but not a Rigger. All kinds of theories around.

this case has so many theories. it is a black hole. I throw out all of the BS and just hold out hope for a DNA match. a deathbed confession with no DNA match would just be another "i'm the real john wilkes booth" segment.

Nobody has even the slightest idea of who this guy is. There has never been one legitimate suspect. Ever. All of the theories and speculation can be fascinating and interesting to discuss, but anything short of a DNA match is useless at this stage. If this dude is still alive, he is now roughly 60 years old and hasn’t been tied to a single crime in over 30 years at this point. This guy will never be caught, at least not in his lifetime. The only way he’ll ever be identified is through major advancements in familial DNA. It could be 100 years or more from now for all we know. But as far as any book, TV special or what have you that was produced recently, it’s not going to get us any closer to this guy.

Nobody has even the slightest idea of who this guy is. There has never been one legitimate suspect. Ever. All of the theories and speculation can be fascinating and interesting to discuss, but anything short of a DNA match is useless at this stage. If this dude is still alive, he is now roughly 60 years old and hasn’t been tied to a single crime in over 30 years at this point. This guy will never be caught, at least not in his lifetime. The only way he’ll ever be identified is through major advancements in familial DNA. It could be 100 years or more from now for all we know. But as far as any book, TV special or what have you that was produced recently, it’s not going to get us any closer to this guy.

Yes agreed. This maniac was/is incredibly meticulous and smart, covering all tracks. I can't see him being identified anytime soon.

The official UM page on Facebook just shared this story from the land down under..............(the Golden State Killer = "Mr. Cruel")

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/sacramentobased-serial-killer-shared-bizarre-traits-with-australian-killer-mr-cruel/news-story/76233f42e8116fa60c77394a9d756a9c

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Sketch_by_Nicola_Lynas_of_attacker_made_by_Victoria_Police.jpg


What in the name of ....

I think I just read something that stated the two are NOT one and the same. I'll post the link if I can find it.

SFGATE: Investigators reportedly sought links between Australia's 'Mr. Cruel' and the Golden State Killer (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/australia-mr-cruel-golden-state-killer-ear-links-12860517.php)

It sounds like the U.S. authorities thought enough of it to probe it. However, the Aussie's don't think there's a connection.

Australian law enforcement, for one, isn't convinced the California killer emerged in their backyard.

"Victoria Police is aware of the matter regarding the Golden State Killer in the U.S.," police wrote in a statement to the Australian.

"This was reviewed in relation to the outstanding Mr. Cruel *investigations in Victoria and any connection has been ruled out."

This seems like the sort of thing that the powers that be are putting out there to illustrate that they following up on any and all possibilities.

I think I just read something that stated the two are NOT one and the same. I'll post the link if I can find it.

Might this be the one?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/californias-golden-state-killer-linked-to-victorias-mr-cruel/news-story/6c91599d9be8db79a7a33bd814b097a0

Woah! saw this just before.

Here's another article. EDIT : Ok, so already posted above, but here it is again.

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/sacramentobased-serial-killer-shared-bizarre-traits-with-australian-killer-mr-cruel/news-story/76233f42e8116fa60c77394a9d756a9c

Personally I don't think the EAR/ONS & Mr Cruel are the same person. None of his Aussie victims reported him having an American accent.

There’s no doubt in my mind that these crimes are unrelated. Mr Cruel’s MO doesn’t mesh with EAR/ONS’s at all if you really look at it. That’s just how far off of this guy’s trail they really are. So desperate for any sort of lead even when there’s no connection whatsoever. They have NOTHING on this guy and it shows. Some scary stuff to be sure.

A possible arrest just recently happened: https://www.google.com/amp/fox40.com/2018/04/24/sources-report-possible-break-in-east-area-rapist-case/amp/

What a year we've had already with unsolved cases

According to this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/8es4cx/east_area_rapistoriginal_night_stalker_officially/, the suspect matches DNA 100% and is in custody. There will be a press conference at 12pm PST today.

Also, he was the Visalia Ransacker.

Unbelievable. First the Freeman/Bible disappearance is solved, now they've caught EAR/ONS. What a week. And it's only Wednesday. Could the JonBenet Ramsey case be next?

Holy Expletive!!

Ransacker, navy background, former police officer, its every theory lining up.

3pm ET can't come soon enough!

Wow... This is awesome, and still very surreal. What a week (and year) for solving old cases. Would it be too much to ask the UM gods to solve the Zodiac case now?

Well it’s not confirmed yet its him


Let’s wait and see

Well it’s not confirmed yet its him


Let’s wait and see

That reddit link on the previous page said he was a 100% DNA match.

Everything’s that is being leaked or discovered lines up.

Will be fascinating as more and more comes out.

Today is apparently "National DNA day", in the sense that every random thing now has a day now.

But still ... the irony ....

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

If true, this is incredible.

I can't wait 5 hours :lol:

I need to know where he was and how they found him now.

If this is the guy and the press machine to catch him no longer needed I'm totally done with this "Golden State Killer" name nonsense.

I wonder if the McNamara book had any impact on the investigation and arrest? Perhaps just the added publicity led to a tip.

I see that when he was arrested for shoplifting in 1979, dog repellent (bear urine apparently) and a hammer, he took his dismissal without a hearing. It’s possible he could have claimed stress, mistake, etc. and tried to save his job, but I bet he didn’t want the scrutiny. The repellent was almost certainly related to the attacks.

www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3739691
This one is titled: Golden State Killer Detectives Locate Leads on Amazon.com


http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/3741546
And this one is titled: Golden State Killer Has Been Identified

If these were true it would be in more news then just these two blogs! what you all think?
Were these claims, posted several days ago, just a coincidence?

(I only scanned the posts, they’re hard to follow.)

Were these claims, posted several days ago, just a coincidence?

(I only scanned the posts, they’re hard to follow.)

They seem to identify a different person.

I wonder if the McNamara book had any impact on the investigation and arrest? Perhaps just the added publicity led to a tip.

I see that when he was arrested for shoplifting in 1979, dog repellent (bear urine apparently) and a hammer, he took his dismissal without a hearing. It’s possible he could have claimed stress, mistake, etc. and tried to save his job, but I bet he didn’t want the scrutiny. The repellent was almost certainly related to the attacks.

Many will say McNamara had nothing to do with the break in this case. But I think her articles, the book, even her death drew contributed to getting things rolling again.

So dog repellent is bear urine? Doesn’t that smell strong? It seems like there would have been mention of a foul odor at some of the scenes.

Many will say McNamara had nothing to do with the break in this case. But I think her articles, the book, even her death drew contributed to getting things rolling again.

So dog repellent is bear urine? Doesn’t that smell strong? It seems like there would have been mention of a foul odor at some of the scenes.

They said he smelled bad.

I wonder if the McNamara book had any impact on the investigation and arrest?

Absolutely none at all IMO. She was adamant that EAR/ONS and the VR were two completely different people. Wrong! She also was wrong about his age. There is a 100% chance that DeAngelo’s name was nowhere to be found in any of her notes. She was no closer to his trail than any other random true crime blogger that wasn’t married to a C-List celebrity.

Absolutely none at all IMO. She was adamant that EAR/ONS and the VR were two completely different people. Wrong! She also was wrong about his age. There is a 100% chance that DeAngelo’s name was nowhere to be found in any of her notes. She was no closer to his trail than any other random true crime blogger that wasn’t married to a C-List celebrity.

She doesn’t have to have been right in the least to have had an impact.

Proboards says a tip came in after a HLN program on the show. Not sure if the show was related to the book release or not.

There has always been a load of evidence on this case, and I think many thought it just needed greater publicity.

I never expected her to come close to solving the case, and I didn’t care for the renaming (even though EAR/ONS is awkward).

Original Night Stalker was his best monkier, and it could easily cover what he did when he was called the EAR.

For the rebranding of Golden State Killer ... he raped far more than he killed.

:confused:

Proboards says a tip came in after a HLN program on the show. Not sure if the show was related to the book release or not.

...and I didn’t care for the renaming (even though EAR/ONS is awkward).

I thought it was a familial DNA hit? In which case, no book or tv show or blog mattered. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

And yes, the “Golden State Killer” moniker is terrible.

I thought it was a familial DNA hit? In which case, no book or tv show or blog mattered. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

And yes, the “Golden State Killer” moniker is terrible.


It couldn't be "100%" if it's familial though. But that number, and where that came from, who knows ...

hurry up 3pm!

Could you imagine though ... someone's 23 & Me kit finds the ONS :lol:

I thought it was a familial DNA hit? In which case, no book or tv show or blog mattered. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

And yes, the “Golden State Killer” moniker is terrible.

Perhaps a tip came in and they tested familial DNA?

Sometimes the tipster is family.

All shall be revealed.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/us/golden-state-killer-development/index.html?adkey=bn

Absolutely none at all IMO. She was adamant that EAR/ONS and the VR were two completely different people. Wrong! She also was wrong about his age. There is a 100% chance that DeAngelo’s name was nowhere to be found in any of her notes. She was no closer to his trail than any other random true crime blogger that wasn’t married to a C-List celebrity.

While this is true, her work definitely revitalized the interest in the case and the investigation.

This is one of those cases I never thought would be solved. Glad to see him finally caught, and can't wait for more details!

Unbelievable. First the Freeman/Bible disappearance is solved, now they've caught EAR/ONS. What a week. And it's only Wednesday. Could the JonBenet Ramsey case be next?

I'm always hopeful the next person to be arrested will be Cindy James' murderer.

While this is true, her work definitely revitalized the interest in the case and the investigation.


Eeeh, I'm kinda on the fence on this as well.

She gave him a new name and LE used it in their renewed search, but the renewed investigation from 2016 predates her book. The book deal, the recent documentaries, all stem from the current true crime trend sparked by The Jinx and Making a Murderer in my opinion.

I'm always hopeful the next person to be arrested will be Cindy James' murderer.


Zodiac Killer or bust.

According to this source (https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/LA-COPY-Arrest-in-Golden-State-Killer-Case-480828091.html), a tip from the public led detectives to the suspect.

A tip from the public pointed detectives to a man who was taken into custody overnight in the decades-old Golden State Killer case, law enforcement sources told NBC4.

The tip followed renewed attention stemming from a book and recent documentary about the series of rapes, slayings and residential burglaries across California that began in the mid-1970s, the law enforcment officials said. More details are expected at a noon news conference in Sacramento.

It's awesome to see this case solved after so many years! Hopefully this will help the survivors and the families of the victims.

Eeeh, I'm kinda on the fence on this as well.

She gave him a new name and LE used it in their renewed search, but the renewed investigation from 2016 predates her book. The book deal, the recent documentaries, all stem from the current true crime trend sparked by The Jinx and Making a Murderer in my opinion.

It’s unlikely to be one clear thing. What is the expression - victory has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan?

I understand Oswalt’s joy and emotion, but he is sort of jumping to conclusions in crediting his late wife. That being said, it’s a strange situation.

Zodiac Killer or bust.

Everybody knows that Ted Kaczynski and Ted Cruz had some sort of weird offspring, and it went back in time to be the Zodiac. It's kind of like that movie "Time After Time," only no Cindi Lauper name and no Malcolm McDowell.

I'm always hopeful the next person to be arrested will be Cindy James' murderer.

:rolleyes:

It’s unlikely to be one clear thing. What is the expression - victory has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan?

Great quote reference — I totally agree. There is obviously a lot of evidence and moving pieces here. I doubt any one source is the definitive reason this was solved, but if it was good for whoever did it. McNamara could have been wrong on some things but I have to think the attention helped solve this. After all, authorities haven’t arrested anyone in over 30 years until yesterday. I’m just happy it is (hopefully) solved so the families can have justice.

RIP to the deceased victims, and peace and comfort to those still alive...

This is one of those cases I never thought would be solved. Glad to see him finally caught, and can't wait for more details!

I had a higher expectation of them finding more lost episodes of Doctor Who in another abandoned middle eastern shed than I ever did that they'd catch the Original Night Stalker.

My heart is going a mile a minute.

Tip Pointed Detectives to Man Arrested in Golden State Killer Case (https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/LA-COPY-Arrest-in-Golden-State-Killer-Case-480828091.html)

The tip followed renewed attention stemming from a book and recent documentary about the series of rapes, slayings and residential burglaries across California that began in the mid-1970s, the law enforcment officials said. More details are expected at a noon news conference in Sacramento.

A 72-year-old man named Joseph James DeAngelo, who appears to fit the description of the elusive California killer, was arrested early Wednesday on suspicion of murder by police in Sacramento, law enforcement sources tell NBC News on Wednesday. DeAngelo was being held without bail in the Sacramento County Main Jail, according to records.

While this is true, her work definitely revitalized the interest in the case and the investigation.

Agreed. I'm not done with the book yet, but I know she didn't name a suspect. I don't think she came close.

Like everyone else, I'm dying to know how he was found.

TWO MINUTES.....

100%, the recent 2-year long press push since Michelle's passing and the publishing of her book brought this as much media attention as possible.

I truly fail to see how that is a bad thing. Frankly because of the attention - this now appears to be solved.

Heart beating a mile a minute... waiting on press conference.

This might have been my most unproductive day of work ever.

Holy ****, I hope they got the right guy. That would be phenomenal.

This might have been my most unproductive day of work ever.

I hear that

This might have been my most unproductive day of work ever.

Completely agree.

Hopefully we'll just start calling him by his real name and forget the horrible nickname that I refuse to use to this day. I know most of us used original Night Stalker but I think East area rapist was the only one that he was called while his crimes were ongoing and that he knew about. I don't know when original Night Stalker was coined but it had to be later.

https://twitter.com/PedroRiveraTV/status/989179885431083008/photo/1?tfw_creator=foxnews&tfw_site=foxnews&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fus%2F2018%2F04%2F25%2Fgolden-state-killer-suspect-arrested-in-california-reports-say.html

I have been trying to write a one page report for 2 hours .... :lol:

DeAngelo is a former cop. :eek:

Not just a former cop but also a Navy Vietnam War veteran. He's way older than a lot of us thought he have been over 30 when most of the crimes happened.

This Anne Marie Schubert needs to shut up and get to the facts. Wow, shut up.

I'd rather see the LE and DA getting some glory over an author. They've earned it.

This Anne Marie Schubert needs to shut up and get to the facts. Wow, shut up.

Word. I'm due in court in nine minutes.....

Maggiore murders were the key to it. Crazy. And given the ethnicity of the suspect, he was likely the Visalia Ransacker. But I'm just guessing.

Discarded DNA!

Link was not familial DNA. They did surveillance and got some of his DNA off of discarded items in his trash.

DeAngelo has been charged with capital murder for the Smith murders.

Edit-- running to court. I'll be back.

How we're all feeling about this, can you imagine that moment in the crime lab when that test came back as a match. Must have been epic!

Charges are for the Smith murders.

Even FOX40 has abandoned the "Golden State Killer" moniker. They've gone old school with EAR.

Love to know what he did between 1982 and 1986 not to mention what he did after Janelle Cruz who knows maybe he was like BTK and calm down

Even FOX40 has abandoned the "Golden State Killer" moniker. They've gone old school with EAR.

A my opinion that's the best one because it used contemporary and DeAngelo himself was aware of it

EARONSGSK was a cop.

One of the many composites matched up with Joseph James DeAngelo Jr.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dbo12WAWkAcDYKP.jpg

Lots of good info here:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/joseph-james-deangelo/

DA just confirmed him to be the Ransacker.

EARONSGSK was a cop.

One of the many composites matched up with Joseph James DeAngelo Jr.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dbo12WAWkAcDYKP.jpg



I always imagined him way younger



And we are 100% sure this is the guy right? It’s been confirmed?

Yup. They received a tip, surveyed, obtained discarded DNA and it matched.

DA talking about the death penalty will be a "relevant effort" going forward with this case.

Personally, I'd rather see them give him life if it means we get answers. This guy needs to be studied.

Wow, what an amazing week for unsolved cases. First the Freeman/Bible case is solved and now the EAR/ONS case is solved.

The question I have is how did they zero in on this guy? The cops said they had been staking out his house for a while recently and obtained his DNA by gathering his "discarded items." This is a trick Cops use when they don't have enough to get a warrant. The DNA on the items matched the DNA of the killer.

The question is, how did they zero in on him in the first place? Did the recent #1 book and plethora of documentaries cause him to talk or taunt police? (This is how BTK was caught).

Dude is 72 years old now and is a former Cop in that same area. He was fired from the PD for stealing "dog repellent" which I am sure he had a use for.

I don't think we're going to get a lot of details here in this conference.

The high school pic that's been floating around has been confirmed as him, it's in the conference.

I said in a thread a while back that the ONS would never be caught unless he talked. We don't know what caused the cops to zero in on De'Angelo, but I wonder if it's possible that the recent media attention caused him to crack. I had a feeling that much of the media coverage was designed to draw him out and force him to make a mistake (as BTK did years after he was dormant).

Remember, almost 90% of convictions in federal cases are due to confessions or people talking. That's an amazing stat, but it's true. I have a feeling we will find out that this guy talked to a friend/family member recently. The police have only said they received a "tip." It's quite odd they receive this tip only now.

Basically a DA from every district this guy committed a crime in is making the same speech of thanks or preaching politics for further DNA testing.

I said in a thread a while back that the ONS would never be caught unless he talked. We don't know what caused the cops to zero in on De'Angelo, but I wonder if it's possible that the recent media attention caused him to crack. I had a feeling that much of the media coverage was designed to draw him out and force him to make a mistake (as BTK did years after he was dormant).

Remember, almost 90% of convictions in federal cases are due to confessions or people talking. That's an amazing stat, but it's true. I have a feeling we will find out that this guy talked to a friend/family member recently. The police have only said they received a "tip." It's quite odd they receive this tip only now.


A tip from someone who watched the recent docs led to the capture.

At 72, he was born in roughly 1946 and began as the Ransacker in '74 and the first EAR crimes happened in '76.

Crazy day. GLORIOUS day.

A tip from someone who watched the recent docs led to the capture.

Yeah, but they had to know something. There's no way they just "assumed" it was the guy next door. He had to say or do something for them to become suspicious. I wonder if there was something he said or did recently that made this tipster suspicious, and I wonder if he said or did these things because of the recent media coverage? It just seems odd that this tipster would just come forward NOW after 40 years. It's not like people in Sacramento were ignorant of these crimes.

I heard a neighbor say this guy was a loner and never interacted with neighbors except to complain that they were mowing their lawn too early in the morning. They said he was always up at night and slept in the day.

Q: Why did you target him?
A: He was identified by DNA technology.

type of dna -> linked through DNA using current and innovated techniques.
other crime. other cases have the same DNA as has been charged in the Ventura case. He just haven't been charged for them yet.


Q: was there a tip last week to your office?
A: That's not correct.

He was surprised when police arrived.

Q: did he use the hammer and dog repellent in his crimes that he stole?
A: We're aware of the same info you just described, will be looking into if they played a part in the attacks. These details will be investigated.

Possibly was committing the ransacker crimes while he was employed as a LE officer.

Q: Did the McNamara book generate new leads
A: No.

He has a family. Adult children. They won't say more about them.

Q: Why did you target him?
A: He was identified by DNA technology.

type of dna -> linked through DNA using current and innovated techniques.
other crime. same DNA as has been charged in the venture case. Just havent been charged for them yet.


Q: was there a tip last week to your office?
A: That's not correct.

I'm still confused on WHY they zeroed in on this guy. DNA doesn't tell you anything without a suspect to match it to. They had to have some reason to stake out his house recently.

He apparently was not in any police DNA database, or else they would have matched him long ago. Besides, the cops said they got his DNA recently by gathering his discarded items. The question remains: Why did they decide to stake out HIS house and try to gather his DNA? They had to have a tip. I only wonder if a family member became suspicious after the press coverage recently and phoned police.

Q: Had his name ever come up in the investigations before last week?
A: No.

Q: What happened 6 days ago that turned the tide?
A: We got a DNA sample. (they wont answer how they got to surveying him)

Q: Australia case?
A: (DA) We have no information on this being linked to Australia.

Conference is over.

I'm still confused on WHY they zeroed in on this guy. DNA doesn't tell you anything without a suspect to match it to. They had to have some reason to stake out his house recently.

He apparently was not in any police DNA database, or else they would have matched him long ago. Besides, the cops said they got his DNA recently by gathering his discarded items. The question remains: Why did they decide to stake out HIS house and try to gather his DNA? They had to have a tip. I only wonder if a family member became suspicious after the press coverage recently and phoned police.


Multiple reporters tried to broach that question different ways, they won't say right now other than that this is still a "very active investigation"

They’re not going to expose the whole hand right now. I’m satisfied with what they’ve released for now. He’s in custody, linked via DNA and a tip of some sort.

Can’t wait until the court docs are released...

The police at his house are issuing repeated loudspeaker warnings to not be using cell phones while driving :lol:

That whole street has got to be a complete mess of cops, CSI and gawkers.

Q: Had his name ever come up in the investigations before last week?
A: No.

Q: What happened 6 days ago that turned the tide?
A: We got a DNA sample. (they wont answer how they got to surveying him)

Here's the only ways they can come to the resolution they did:

1) He was an old suspect and they decided to try to rule him out through DNA. Only problem is that he was NOT a previous suspect.

2) He was in the FBI or state DNA crime databases. He wasn't. So scratch this as well. (One caveat is if he recently committed a new crime and his DNA just recently showed up in a database, but I doubt this since he is 72 years old).

3) A friend or family member tipped off the Cops recently that he might be a suspect. Cops decided to stake him out and obtain his DNA. Only problem is the Cops claim their lead did not come from tips.

Which leads me to:

4) Ancestry.com, FTDNA.com, 23&me.com. Either De'Angelo or a close family member submitted DNA to these sites for genealogy research. Since these sites know who submitted what DNA, it is possible the Cops obtained a warrant to scour their database. Since the private databases aren't evidence enough, the Cops got his address and staked him out to obtain their own DNA sample to confirm.

If #4 is true, this is going to open a can of 4th amendment worms. Bigly. I knew it would only be a matter of time before these genealogy websites would begin letting Cops scour their databases for criminal matches. Wasn't there a murder case recently that was solved through these genealogy databases? Whatever the case, this is going to be a scandal that these companies are going to have to deal with in their "terms of service."

The East Area Rapist lived in that house with one of his kids and grandchild.

Couldn't imagine being either of those two right now and finding this out.

Here's the only ways they can come to the resolution they did:

1) He was an old suspect and they decided to try to rule him out through DNA. Only problem is that he was NOT a previous suspect.

2) He was in the FBI or state DNA crime databases. He wasn't. So scratch this as well. (One caveat is if he recently committed a new crime and his DNA just recently showed up in a database, but I doubt this since he is 72 years old).

3) A friend or family member tipped off the Cops recently that he might be a suspect. Cops decided to stake him out and obtain his DNA. Only problem is the Cops claim their lead did not come from tips.

Which leads me to:

4) Ancestry.com, FTDNA.com, 23&me.com. Either De'Angelo or a close family member submitted DNA to these sites for genealogy research. Since these sites know who submitted what DNA, it is possible the Cops obtained a warrant to scour their database. Since the private databases aren't evidence enough, the Cops got his address and staked him out to obtain their own DNA sample to confirm.

If #4 is true, this is going to open a can of 4th amendment worms. Bigly. I knew it would only be a matter of time before these genealogy websites would begin letting Cops scour their databases for criminal matches. Wasn't there a murder case recently that was solved through these genealogy databases? Whatever the case, this is going to be a scandal that these companies are going to have to deal with in their "terms of service."


To clarify my earlier post as I was trying to transcribe as much as possible quickly, they didn't say it didn't come from "a" tip just not a tip into 2 specific offices 6 days ago. (one being the DA's office, I think Sacramento's) Could have come in some other way, they're keeping items from us for now.

They specifically said the DNA was obtained from discarded DNA as they were trailing him. There's no way there was a subpoena against one of these TV DNA test companies and it wasn't national news, they'd have tried to fight it as it could cripple their business to be handing DNA samples over to law enforcement.

They're playing their cards very close to their chest.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspect-arrested-golden-state-killer-case-sources-165903122--abc-news-topstories.html

creep -current picture of him here

Interesting argument re: the DNA sites and the 4th amendment. I’ve read the Terms of Services on several of those sites and I believe they make it clear that they will not turn over your DNA profile unless the proper legal channels were vetted. At no point do they say your DNA is completely private from law enforcement.

To be honest, it’s a huge reason why I have not submitted my DNA to be profiled. It can’t be considered entrapment— you’re submitting a DNA sample willingly.

There’s obviously more to the story. Can’t wait to hear.

Interesting argument re: the DNA sites and the 4th amendment. I’ve read the Terms of Services on several of those sites and I believe they make it clear that they will not turn over your DNA profile unless the proper legal channels were vetted.

To be honest, it’s a huge reason why I have not submitted my DNA to be profiled.

There’s obviously more to the story. Can’t wait to hear.


I watched the Orphan Black .... :lol:

(That and many of these TOS claim they own your DNA)

They didn't say it didn't come from "a" tip, just not a tip into 2 specific offices 6 days ago.

Also they specifically said the DNA was obtained from discarded DNA as they were trailing him.

They're playing their cards very close to their chest.

I left out option #5:

ONS pulled a BTK and started communicating with Police in some way (perhaps taunting them just as BTK did). They got his DNA from those communications (if they were pen and paper) or traced the communications if they were electronic (then used discarded DNA to confirm). Since he is 72 years old, it is plausible he would still be writing old fashioned paper and pen letters. And if he used e-mail or electronic media, they could have traced that (quite easily).

Anyone have any other options? I can't think of any. Until police say otherwise, I am going to go with the "family or friend tipster." I am going to bet that De'Angelo made a comment to someone close to him recently because of all the recent media coverage surrounding his case. This person then went to the Cops.

226666

Here he is

To be honest, it’s a huge reason why I have not submitted my DNA to be profiled. It can’t be considered entrapment— you’re submitting a DNA sample willingly.

You don't want all those crimes you were never caught for to finally catch up with you, eh? :happyface

Q: Did the McNamara book generate new leads
A: No.

I love the way the Sherrif handled that question. :lol:

3) A friend or family member tipped off the Cops recently that he might be a suspect. Cops decided to stake him out and obtain his DNA. Only problem is the Cops claim their lead did not come from tips.


I don't know that this is correct. I'm fairly certain HLN said a tip lead to them looking at him as a suspect.

I love the way the Sherrif handled that question. :lol:

I knew you would :lol:

I think my issue with her, renaming aside, really has nothing to do with her but rather her team. This isn't her personal story yet many are making all of this about her. 48 Hours was particularly offensive for this, the first 20 minutes profiling her like she was one of the murder victims.

It's not her story, she's supposed to just be the messenger and that seems to have been lost by the publicity machine.

My husband and I watched the first 3 episodes of the HLN episode. I said, "He's a cop or a fireman because it was too easy for him to get away. Cops and firemen know all the ways to get in and out of neighborhoods." My husband said, "He'll has military experience too. The flashlight in the face = dead giveaway." We were both right! LOL

I left out option #5:

ONS pulled a BTK and started communicating with Police in some way (perhaps taunting them just as BTK did). They got his DNA from those communications (if they were pen and paper) or traced the communications if they were electronic (then used discarded DNA to confirm). Since he is 72 years old, it is plausible he would still be writing old fashioned paper and pen letters. And if he used e-mail or electronic media, they could have traced that (quite easily).

Anyone have any other options? I can't think of any. Until police say otherwise, I am going to go with the "family or friend tipster." I am going to bet that De'Angelo made a comment to someone close to him recently because of all the recent media coverage surrounding his case. This person then went to the Cops.

Would another option be a familial DNA match obtained by police as a result of an investigation or prosecution? If a child or grandchild were required to submit DNA as part of a felony conviction?

I don't know that this is correct. I'm fairly certain HLN said a tip lead to them looking at him as a suspect.

When asked at the presser, the cops acted is if their lead was not a tip, though they weren't clear on it. As a previous poster said, they really only denied that the tip happened in the last few days.

Whatever the case, they are purposefully being vague about what led them to him, but I will bet my house it was a tip. He probably said something recently to a family member that aroused suspicion. And I will bet the recent media coverage is what spurred him (the killer) to make the comments in the first place. All the talk about his penis was no accident - these documentaries were trying to provoke him.

It's also possible this family member found some suspicious "artifacts" in the house (like rope tied in a certain knot) and remembered hearing that from the recent media coverage. "Holy crap, this looks just like what the EAR/ONS killer used."

Would another option be a familial DNA match obtained by police as a result of an investigation or prosecution? If a child or grandchild were required to submit DNA as part of a felony conviction?

They explicitly said they had his DNA not familial DNA

I knew you would :lol:

I think my issue with her, renaming aside, really has nothing to do with her but rather her team. This isn't her personal story yet many are making all of this about her. 48 Hours was particularly offensive for this, the first 20 minutes profiling her like she was one of the murder victims.

It's not her story, she's supposed to just be the messenger and that seems to have been lost by the publicity machine.

Yes! This! So much this! Posts like this are why I wish this forum had a “like button” or some way to upvote something a la Reddit.

Would another option be a familial DNA match obtained by police as a result of an investigation or prosecution? If a child or grandchild were required to submit DNA as part of a felony conviction?

Yep, good catch. This would explain the "novel DNA techniques" the cops keep hinting at. Instead of searching databases for a perfect 1:1 match, you broaden your search to find "similar" matches in hopes of finding a family member (the same techniques the DNA websites use for genealogy). From there it is trivial to discern who your suspect is ("Hey, you got any uncles or a father who are still living?"). Indeed, you wouldn't even have to ask the family member, as public records would be enough to discern who their relatives are.

Either that or the FamilyTree DNA possibility I mentioned earlier. If it is the DNA website angle, that's going to open a can of worms. I hope the DA has all his t's crossed when it comes to trial. 4th amendment issue there.

They explicitly said they had his DNA not familial DNA

But they had to have a reason to go GET his DNA in the first place. They weren't just randomly stopping people on the street and taking DNA samples.
They had to have a tip "Hey this guy said some suspicious things, you should look into him." I mean you have to have a reason to put this guy under surveillance and then go through his trash cans looking for his DNA. This didn't happen by chance.

Or as that other guy said, perhaps there was no tip and they found a "similar" match from a family member in a crime database (for instance, his brother or son or first cousin is a criminal). You know this person isn't the killer, but you DO know the killer is someone closely blood related (this is how DNA websites "match" you to cousins).

You don't want all those crimes you were never caught for to finally catch up with you, eh? :happyface

Ha. You got me. :)

They will never get a conviction on DNA alone. Stuart Heaton's attorney told me it is junk science... :lol:

You don't want all those crimes you were never caught for to finally catch up with you, eh? :happyface

If submitting DNA for profiling gets people arrested, "23 and Me" will have to change their name to "23 to life"... :lol:

When asked at the presser, the cops acted is if their lead was not a tip, though they weren't clear on it. As a previous poster said, they really only denied that the tip happened in the last few days.


Posted this earlier in the thread and forgot the source, not HLN it was NBC Los Angeles:

A tip from the public and DNA evidence pointed detectives to a man who was taken into custody overnight in the decades-old Golden State Killer case, authorities said Wednesday.

The tip followed renewed attention stemming from a book and recent documentary about the series of rapes, slayings and residential burglaries across California that began in the mid-1970s, law enforcement officials told NBC4. The tip and DNA evidence from two 1978 killings in Sacramento led to the arrest Wednesday of 72-year-old Joseph James DeAngelo, who appears to fit the description of the elusive California killer.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/LA-COPY-Arrest-in-Golden-State-Killer-Case-480828091.html

This is just beyond incredible. Still trying to pick my jaw off the ground.

But they had to have a reason to go GET his DNA in the first place. They weren't just randomly stopping people on the street and taking DNA samples.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. They got his DNA from discarded evidence from his residence.

They've had him under surveillance for the last 6 days.

This is just beyond incredible. Still trying to pick my jar off the ground.

Jar? 😆

Jar? 😆

Argh! Just so excited! I MEANT JAW!

But they had to have a reason to go GET his DNA in the first place. They weren't just randomly stopping people on the street and taking DNA samples.
They had to have a tip "Hey this guy said some suspicious things, you should look into him." I mean you have to have a reason to put this guy under surveillance and then go through his trash cans looking for his DNA. This didn't happen by chance.

Or as that other guy said, perhaps there was no tip and they found a "similar" match from a family member in a crime database (for instance, his brother or son or first cousin is a criminal). You know this person isn't the killer, but you DO know the killer is someone closely blood related (this is how DNA websites "match" you to cousins).


Of course they had a tip. They didn't say they didn't have a tip, they were asked about two location specific offices and the answer to that question was no. That doesn't mean it didn't come from one of the 10 counties this guy committed crimes in, a California county where he wasn't active, a tip from an inmate from the DOC, heck even a tip to a local crime stoppers in somewhere completely unrelated like New York.

The investigation is "very active", they haven't even charged him for the rape cases yet that's how fast it's moving. They're not going to tip their hand as to where their evidence is coming from until they have to so it doesn't potentially damage the case or possibly put an informant in danger. We only got what we did because they knew they couldn't contain it, we just need to be patient. But we do have some facts, and them having his actual DNA is one of them.

Got Em! Fantastic news! Rack another one in the solved column of Unsolved Mysteries!

They explicitly said they had his DNA not familial DNA

Does that explicitly rule out having a hit on familial DNA and then obtaining his discarded DNA as they did? That wasn’t how I heard it.

Yes! This! So much this! Posts like this are why I wish this forum had a “like button” or some way to upvote something a la Reddit.


You know who I want to hear about today? And see celebrated all over places like Twitter?

Carol Daly.

The investigation is "very active", they haven't even charged him for the rape cases yet that's how fast it's moving. They're not going to tip their hand as to where their evidence is coming from until they have to so it doesn't potentially damage the case or possibly put an informant in danger. We only got what we did because they knew they couldn't contain it, we just need to be patient. But we do have some facts, and them having his actual DNA is one of them.

And unfortunately I don't believe they'll be able to because the statue of limitations. But, I seem to recall similar cases where a rape victim was able to testify as a "material witness".

Some of the smarter people here will know for sure.

I'm just blown away that the first charges were issued for the murder of Brian & Katie Maggiore. Their murder occurred on February 2nd, 1978. And forty years later: justice.

It is believed that as the 'Visalia Ransacker' the suspect murdered Claude Snelling (https://12-26-75.com/back-to-the-beginning).

And his second murder was the that of the Maggiore's. His escalation to murder in the act of a break-in/rape didn't occur until 1979 and I think that only happened because of a near escape of couple in Goleta. After that, he likely made up his mind that he was no longer going to mess around with leaving witnesses.

That part is all my speculation, naturally. So many questions.

According to Paul Holes, who is one of the lead investigators on the GSK task force, the 7th rape victim received a phone call in 2001. This was two days after the public announcement that the DNA from the EAR crimes had been linked to the ONS crimes. So as recently as 2001 he contacted a previous victim and taunted her. He reportedly said in his clinched teeth voice: "Do you remember when we played?". This victim's name was never made public (obviously) and she was confident it was the EAR.



If they have, it hasn't been made public.

People magazine, in their long-form piece last year, was allowed to release some new details from authorities.

People Investigates EARONSGSK - New Evidence (http://people.com/crime/golden-state-serial-killer-gallery-new-evidence/the-golden-state-killer)

I'll take this opportunity to link the three most well regarded composites here:

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeopledotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F10%2Fserial-killer-composite.jpg&w=1100&q=85

Having just seen the guy's mugshot, he looks like a much older version of the second composite sketch.

And unfortunately I don't believe they'll be able to because the statue of limitations. But, I seem to recall similar cases where a rape victim was able to testify as a "material witness".

Some of the smarter people here will know for sure.

I'm just blown away that the first charges were issued for the murder of Brian & Katie Maggiore. Their murder occurred on February 2nd, 1978. And forty years later: justice.

It is believed that as the 'Visalia Ransacker' the suspect murdered Claude Snelling (https://12-26-75.com/back-to-the-beginning).

And his second murder was the that of the Maggiore's. His escalation to murder in the act of a break-in/rape didn't occur until 1979 and I think that only happened because of a near escape of couple in Goleta. After that, he likely made up his mind that he was no longer going to mess around with leaving witnesses.

That part is all my speculation, naturally. So many questions.


Actually you're right, they probably won't be able to do anything for the EAR cases. Brain fart. They did say they had more charges forthcoming which was the point I was attempting to highlight, so that will include the other ONS cases at least.

Are you sure about the Maggiore's? The press conference said they were charged for the murders of Lyman and Charlene Smith.

Having just seen the guy's mugshot, he looks like a much older version of the second composite sketch.


Anime-EAR guy on the right never felt right to me.

With Gabby's Bones,Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman and now this case being Solved it asked what cases could getting Solved.soon that would on UM

Some guess
I-70 Killer
Calder Field Serial Murders
Alicia Showalter Reynolds
VALLEY KILLER

You know who I want to hear about today? And see celebrated all over places like Twitter?

Carol Daly.

Hell yeah! She is awesome.

https://sacramento.downtowngrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/CFSH-Sac-County-Sheriffs-Det.-Carol-Daly-Nov-1977-452x700.jpg

You know who I want to hear about today? And see celebrated all over places like Twitter?

Carol Daly.

I was wondering about her too. Here's (http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article209806744.html) an article about her reaction to the arrest.

She seems like a very nice person and a great detective who had a close connection with several of the victims. I hope she and the other original detectives receive some great praise for their work on the case.

Hell yeah! She is awesome.

https://sacramento.downtowngrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/CFSH-Sac-County-Sheriffs-Det.-Carol-Daly-Nov-1977-452x700.jpg

I love that photo. "Police Woman: Carol Daly".

That gun is a hand cannon.

What a great day! EAR, may you suffer slowly in jail & then promptly burn in hell once you croak. If it were up to me I'd have someone standing outside his cell & lowly repeat "IM GONNA KILL YOU" give him a taste of his own medicine.

Are you sure about the Maggiore's? The press conference said they were charged for the murders of Lyman and Charlene Smith.

Yes

Anne Marie Shubert states at the 6:45 mark of the presser:

"Yesterday, an arrest warrant was issued and a complaint was filed charging that individual with two counts of murder with special circumstances for the murders of Brian and Katie Maggiore here in Sacramento in February, 1978" (https://youtu.be/4ocJuCTqBUw?t=6m45s)

Came back to say how amazing this was. Great job to everyone involved!

The press conference said they were charged for the murders of Lyman and Charlene Smith.

Accused 'Golden State Killer' charged with murders in Ventura County (http://www.keyt.com/news/crime/accused-golden-state-killer-charged-with-murders-in-ventura-county/734475585)

You are correct too – Ventura County did announce they were charging him with the murders fo Lyman and Charlene Smith.

Accused 'Golden State Killer' charged with murders in Ventura County (http://www.keyt.com/news/crime/accused-golden-state-killer-charged-with-murders-in-ventura-county/734475585)

You are correct too – Ventura County did announce they were charging him with the murders fo Lyman and Charlene Smith.

That’s 4. Can’t wait to see that number rise...

He's been charged with 4 additional counts of murder
https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/31271270_1670445226370271_9187621755808893244_n.png.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=498d2872d6402c00a09e68d5b70e4898&oe=5B94A72E

With Gabby's Bones,Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman and now this case being Solved

I'm going to go ahead and espouse my view that the recent addition of the Robert Stack episodes to various streaming services is behind this. I have no evidence behind it. I just want to put this on the record, in the event they ever try to take them away from us again haha

He's been charged with 4 additional counts of murder
https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/31271270_1670445226370271_9187621755808893244_n.png.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=498d2872d6402c00a09e68d5b70e4898&oe=5B94A72E

Nice! Thanks for posting that.

Keith and Patrice Harrington (married couple). Manuela Witthuhn (lone female) Janelle Cruz (lone female).

The Witthuhn and Cruz murders happened five years apart and quite literally miles apart. That thoroughfare in-between the locations is the Santa Ana Freeway that runs all the way north to none other than Sacramento.

http://image.ibb.co/mPYJp7/Irvine.png

Along with the other SoCal homicides I've always wondered why he stopped in NoCal.

Random thoughts:

* He escalated from the burglaries and rapes from 1974-79 and the heat got too hot in NoCal. Some of those composites are very good, especially the one with the mustache from the SacBee (2/16/78) which came from a witness in the Maggiore double homicide. Now maybe we know why there was less activity in Sacramento after that and more in Davis and Concord. And just kept on creeping further south away from home.

* After he started losing control of a few attempted rape scenes (Goleta, 10/10/79) he made up his mind that he had to start killing in order to control the scene. Once he got started doing that, he never stopped with that MO.

* As Detective Steve Rhods point blank said in the HLN series, something that for me crystalizes why there is a five year gap. In Rhods' own words: "I think Greg Sanchez fought him and scared him. And then he realizes: 'I can't control two people at the same time anymore'. And he eased off for five years. And then he attacked a single woman in Orange County; that was the last time in '86".

Detective Paul Holes' theory that EAR never really moved away from Sacramento is further bolstered by something he pointed out in the HLN series. There was a phone call in October, 1982 to Victim #24 in Glenbrook (from '77). She was working at a Denny's when she received a phone call from EAR. It's like he saw her in the restaurant and went outside and called from a payphone.

So much will come out and there are so many questions to be answered. We may never know all the answers but we know the most important one.

California cops called Australia after they identified DeAngelo and told the Aussies that he could be their infamous "Mr Cruel" serial killer. Both had very similar MO's (broke into houses, made similar remarks to victims, both wore ski masks and gloves, both tied up victims, and both ate food out of the fridge). The only difference is "Mr Cruel" was a pedophile and attacked kids, while GSK attacked adults (except in one instance).

Apparently the cops claim they can tie him to Australia after the time he stopped killing in America. Moreover, someone on the EAR/ONS forum said they tracked down one of DeAngelo's daughters who lives in, yep, Australia.

However, the Aussies listened to the pitch and told the California cops they are not convinced. In fact, the Aussies feel they can "rule him out" according to their press release. So, it's all a bit muddled right now.

So, we'll be learning a lot more in the days/weeks to come. I am curious why the Cali cops think he could be "Mr Cruel" in Australia. I mean it's a pretty "far out" proposal without some evidence. I do know when he was in Vietnam, his ship harbored in Australia, but that would have been too early of a date to match Mr. Cruel's crimes (which were in the 80's I believe). So, there must be some other link to Australia somehow.

I'm just, I'm just speechless! Here I was saying just a couple of days ago they'd never get this dog.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I can see a resemblance. Those eyes.

http://media.crimewatchdaily.com/2018/04/25/gsk-sketch-joseph-james-deangelo-cwd-820x430.jpg

Patton Oswalt Responds to News of Golden State Killer Suspect's Arrest
by David Canfield
April 25, 2018


On the day news broke that the primary Golden State Killer suspect was arrested after more than 40 years, Patton Oswalt sat down with EW and opened up about the complex emotions he’s feeling.

The comedian and actor was married to Michelle McNamara, the true crime journalist who spent more than a decade doggedly researching the case before her untimely death in April 2016.

Her book on the Golden State Killer, I’ll Be Gone in the Dark, was published earlier this year to great acclaim and a top spot on the New York Times best-seller list. Oswalt had previously spoken to EW about how it became his mission to finish the project after McNamara died.





On Wednesday, he spoke on the subject of the arrest while being interviewed for PeopleTV’s Couch Surfing.

“My mind is going in a million directions right now, but on top of all the exhaustion and surrealism, I just feel very, very happy that her work wasn’t in vain,” he says when asked what he’s feeling. “Weirdly enough, I had been with her family the night before, doing a talk for her book, so that was very strange.”




Between 1976 and 1986, it was estimated that the Golden State Killer murdered at least 10 people and committed at least 50 sexual assaults. The case struggled to gain traction until McNamara began digging into it, helping brand it (she dubbed him the “Golden State Killer”), and publishing initial thoughts and compilations of research on her website, True Crime Diary.

Given this landmark moment in the case, Oswalt describes not having McNamara around to experience it as saddening. “Spin a wheel of emotions and pick eight of them, and they all apply,” he admits.





At a press conference earlier Wednesday, authorities suggested that no new leads came from McNamara’s work. Oswalt tells Couch Surfing this is slightly misleading, and doesn’t give McNamara the proper credit she deserves.

“A cop is never going to credit a writer or a journalist in helping them solve a case,” he says. “But they kept saying ‘Golden State Killer,’ so just by that act alone, her work affected the case…The new name is what helped get interest in this thing.”





Oswalt clarifies that it became his “mission” to finish McNamara’s project, if only because it was what he needed to do at the time to keep living his life in the wake of her death. He encountered 7,000 pages of police reports on a thumb drive, and more than 40 boxes worth of documents that McNamara had left behind.

As Oswalt puts it, “It was a massive undertaking that she did.”





As for what McNamara might have made of this moment?

“She’s too complex a person to speak for in that way,” Oswalt says. “I can’t say what she would make of today. I wouldn’t insult her by putting words into her mouth. I honestly don’t know. She would have way too many emotions, and they would be very complicated. You couldn’t reduce them to a soundbite, so I’m not going to try.”

http://ew.com/books/2018/04/25/patton-oswalt-speaks-golden-state-killer-arrest/

I'm just, I'm just speechless! Here I was saying just a couple of days ago they'd never get this dog.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I can see a resemblance. Those eyes.

http://media.crimewatchdaily.com/2018/04/25/gsk-sketch-joseph-james-deangelo-cwd-820x430.jpg

Oh totally!! That composite sketch REALLY looks like a a younger version of that man ! ;) Totally cool, he was finally caught ! This is a long time coming! I didn't know much about this case till a little while ago when I saw the documentary on HLN ! Really creeped me out and intrigued me! :eek: I knew he would be an old man now or dead! I live in California, but didn't move here till 1985 . But there really is a buzz out here now. People that lived here back than and knew about it, well lots of people are talking about it , it's all over our news and we are all very happy he was caught! ;)

I'm just, I'm just speechless! Here I was saying just a couple of days ago they'd never get this dog.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I can see a resemblance. Those eyes.

http://media.crimewatchdaily.com/2018/04/25/gsk-sketch-joseph-james-deangelo-cwd-820x430.jpg

It looks like some of the best composites happened in 1978. This one and then another one, from the witness in the Maggiore double homicide.

Suspect sought in that case:

https://image.ibb.co/dAsG8c/sacbee.png

JJD:

https://tribfox40.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/deangelo-auburn-journal.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=224

See this is my very problem with McNamara from the beginning when she started writing. It smacked of her trying to claim ownership of the case by rebranding a name that was never used and would be confusing if you looked at old newspaper accounts because no one uses it. Now the Press is making it out like she's the star of solving it, instead of the police who actually did the work.

Now her c-list celebrity husband is claiming that the name itself is what solved it gimme a Break

I wonder if the phone recordings are still there to be used in his trial?

I don't think I've ever seen a UM thread explode with such buzz as this one in the past 24 hours.

I'd be very interested to see more photos of this monster from the 1970's and early 80's.

I'm just, I'm just speechless! Here I was saying just a couple of days ago they'd never get this dog.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I can see a resemblance. Those eyes.

http://media.crimewatchdaily.com/2018/04/25/gsk-sketch-joseph-james-deangelo-cwd-820x430.jpg

After seeing the mugshot, I thought as I said earlier that sketch closely resembled him the most.

I just rewatched the press conference from this afternoon and the takeaway for me is that they mined ancestry sites for DNA markers ([I]EARONS had a particularly unique one (https://www.reddit.com/r/EARONS/comments/81twee/23_meancestrycom_earons_dna/)) until they found one that looked promising and whittled it down.

I hate memes. But this one seems particularly apt today.

https://image.ibb.co/jkezuH/meme.png

Wow. This was another case that I thought wouldn't be solved but I'm glad to be proven wrong. I'm glad that this guy finally got caught. I hope his victims can feel some relief at this.

It's amazing all the UM cases that have been solved or resolved in the past few years.

So is Season 12 Episode 8 the only segment on this through the Unsolved Mysteries series (on Amazon - Stack Eps)? I thought I remembered one from an earlier season, but I could be wrong.

I DO NOT even believe this happened. I honestly thought he's get away with everything forever!
Glad this twat is caught!!!!!!!!!
Now, what I strangely want to know, is the claims about the small pecker. Make this loser whip it out and show everyone what a tiny peepee he has LOL.
Know idea about statues of limitations on rape is, but if LE says they have DNA they can surely get him on the murders. Dude is only going to live for another 15 years max since he's 72, but someone needs to ass rape him...and not someone with a small one, either!

I DO NOT even believe this happened. I honestly thought he's get away with everything forever!
Glad this twat is caught!!!!!!!!!
Now, what I strangely want to know, is the claims about the small pecker. Make this loser whip it out and show everyone what a tiny peepee he has LOL.
Know idea about statues of limitations on rape is, but if LE says they have DNA they can surely get him on the murders. Dude is only going to live for another 15 years max since he's 72, but someone needs to ass rape him...and not someone with a small one, either!

Oh yeah! That's right. I remember that from the documentary saying he was under endowed ! :lol:

Here's another pic.

http://www.thesungazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Visalia-Ransacker.png

http://www.thesungazette.com/article/news/2018/04/25/sacramento-sheriffs-arrest-visalia-ransacker-confirm-he-was-an-officer-of-the-exeter-police-department-in-1973/

I can't believe it took so long for someone to bring up his "not measuring up"! My feeling is that DeAngelo's worst realization is not that he is the perp, but rather that we all know that he's hung like a Tic Tac!

On a more serious note, all the experts and theorists said, "He's either dead, living abroad or imprisoned. There would be no reason for him to stop." While I agree with this, my guess is that his prostate had an issue circa 1986. He would have been approximately 40 that year--right around when men are advised to start having their prostates examined. The loss of sex drive and/or ability to preform could have also been a huge catalyst in the silence.

It's a bit of a myth that they can never stop. We've seen with BTK and to a lesser extent Gary Ridgway, that once they get older they slow down just as the body does. The bulk of ridgway's murders happened in the early 80s he didn't commit nearly as many after 1984, and BTK didn't commit any after 1991. On the other hand maybe there are other crimes that no one connected DeAngelo to that happened in the 1990s or later

Here's another pic.

http://www.thesungazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Visalia-Ransacker.png

http://www.thesungazette.com/article/news/2018/04/25/sacramento-sheriffs-arrest-visalia-ransacker-confirm-he-was-an-officer-of-the-exeter-police-department-in-1973/


OMG! He's very creepy and angry looking !!! :eek:

See this is my very problem with McNamara from the beginning when she started writing. It smacked of her trying to claim ownership of the case by rebranding a name that was never used and would be confusing if you looked at old newspaper accounts because no one uses it. Now the Press is making it out like she's the star of solving it, instead of the police who actually did the work.

Now her c-list celebrity husband is claiming that the name itself is what solved it gimme a Break

C list celebrity husband for one of the best standups out there:rolleyes:

Posted this earlier in the thread and forgot the source, not HLN it was NBC Los Angeles:

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/LA-COPY-Arrest-in-Golden-State-Killer-Case-480828091.html

I need to correct myself here. While NBC Los Angeles did report that it was a tip that led them to look at JJD. Anne Marie Schubert was asked point blank in the presser:

Q: "Can you corroborate that there was either a tip that came into the FBI or one of your offices last week?"

AMS: "No, that's not correct. No."

It sure sounds like based on some of the later quotes from the Sheriff that DNA not only (obviously) positively ID'd JJD but it led them to him. While not explicitly saying so, it sounds like they used the "emerging technologies" to identify him. And since it just happened in the last week [total conjecture alert] it's possible that a family member just recently put their DNA up on an ancestry site and that led to the familial hit which led to him.

Which brings me to this question: do we know of any other cases being solved via the use of ancestral DNA acquired from a DNA repository like 23andme, etc?

Which brings me to this question: do we know of any other cases being solved via the use of ancestral DNA acquired from a DNA repository like 23andme, etc?

Gonna answer my own question. And stop talking to myself...

How forensic genealogy led to an arrest in the Phoenix 'Canal Killer' case (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2016/11/30/how-forensic-genealogy-led-arrest-phoenix-canal-killer-case-bryan-patrick-miller-dna/94565410/)

;)

I haven't posted here in some years. But I felt this deserved a reaction. Gratifying they finally caught this scumbag. Was really hoping he did not go the way of Jack the Ripper or the Torso Slayer, never positively identified. I thought there was a better chance DB Cooper would be identified.

Joseph D'Angelo. I always wondered what his name would turn out to be. I honestly was leaning toward him not being caught cause I thought he was dead. The last murder linked to him was 1986, I thought if he was alive he would have killed again. Serial killers rarely quit cold turkey, and who knows, he may not have. For all we know, he's been hiding his victims.

It will be interesting to know how much we learn in the coming days. If he stopped in 1986 thank God but why? Was he the guy at that town hall meeting?

I always suspected he was in law enforcement or military and it turned out to be both.

Great day for justice either way. That DNA they had from him always kept hope alive he'd be caught, and so it was.

See this is my very problem with McNamara from the beginning when she started writing. It smacked of her trying to claim ownership of the case by rebranding a name that was never used and would be confusing if you looked at old newspaper accounts because no one uses it. Now the Press is making it out like she's the star of solving it, instead of the police who actually did the work.

Now her c-list celebrity husband is claiming that the name itself is what solved it gimme a Break


Exactly. It has become about turning her into a martyr and celebrity, it's not right.

Thank you Mary Hong, for confirming a serial killer by developing the Original Night Stalker DNA profile and matching it to the other OC cases.

I seriously wonder if future accounts of Joseph DeAngelo are going to sound like an episode of Murder She Wrote because of McNamara. My problem with some of the true Crime writers dates back before her though , I think Ann Rule book about Ted Bundy mythologized a lot of bad info and outright Legends about him, such as that he's a Super Genius Etc. In later editions of her book about Bundy rule seems to realize this because in the afterword she downplays quite a bit of the myth about him that she helped to create.

We'll just have to see especially once more details come out and other crimes that he may have committed that none of us knew about obviously the last chapter of the East area rapist is not written yet.

Either way it's more important that we remember the victims of Joseph DeAngelo most of all

It's been an incredible year or so for cases I didn't think would ever be solved Joseph DeAngelo the Laurie Bible Ashley Freeman case Joyce McLain how many others here did not think that any of those would be solved not to mention Gabby's bones

Joseph D'Angelo. I always wondered what his name would turn out to be. I honestly was leaning toward him not being caught cause I thought he was dead. The last murder linked to him was 1986, I thought if he was alive he would have killed again. Serial killers rarely quit cold turkey, and who knows, he may not have. For all we know, he's been hiding his victims.

It will be interesting to know how much we learn in the coming days. If he stopped in 1986 thank God but why? Was he the guy at that town hall meeting?


Welcome back, XCalibur!

I went back and watched the UM segment last night and they wondered why the attacks stopped cold turkey. They proposed three theories: he was dead, he became disabled, or he was in jail. It doesn’t appear that any of these happened so what did happen? He went from rapes in northern California to murders in SoCal and then he seems to have quit. Why?

This guy was one of the most heinous criminals ever for the terror he caused. I can’t imagine waking up to a flashlight and gun in my face, being tied up and raped, and then having him hang out in the house for hours. This guy is sick.

I’m glad he was caught so he can face some kind of justice, and hopefully LE can learn something about what made him tick. Hopefully they can go “Mindhunter” on him and help catch the next freak from doing this type of thing again. I’m also glad he has a face and name so it takes some of the legend out of this case.

Now, what I strangely want to know, is the claims about the small pecker. Make this loser whip it out and show everyone what a tiny peepee he has LOL.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.kcra.com/article/lots-of-tears-lots-of-gratitude-emotions-run-high-after-arrest-in-east-area-rapist-case/20068580

I just want to say that unsolved1981 and bell83 are spot on with their thoughts on this. I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s beyond annoyed with the constant mentioning of a certain deceased amateur “writer” (whose name isn’t even worth mentioning anymore) who had absolutely NOTHING to do with the resolution of this case.

Lest we forget that said person was a terrible parent who died because they were selfish and irresponsible. That’s what their legacy should be. If you have a small child to take care of and you choose to abuse multiple drugs to the point that you overdose on them and die, thereby depriving your child of their own mother then you suck at life. Period. Just because they were “rich white people drugs” doesn’t mean you’re not a junkie loser if you abuse them.

And the “Golden State Killer” moniker is still the lamest thing ever.

I still fail to see why people are so bent out of shape about Michelle McNamara. I've never understood the agida about moniker's or who gets credit for what.

This case is SOLVED. Can't it just be: Greatest News Ever.

Boom. Done.

I've been skimming twitter today looking for new info and it's all I can see now, and it's incredibly frustrating.

"She solved the case" "She caught the killer". "She did what police couldn't". It's just so disrespectful to the people who spent their entire careers, and retirements, devoted to this case. Coming in, at the very end, using this for fame ... it's very gross.

http://www.kcra.com/article/lots-of-tears-lots-of-gratitude-emotions-run-high-after-arrest-in-east-area-rapist-case/20068580

Thank you for sharing that. One of the rape victims, I feel badly that I cannot remember who (maybe Margaret Wardlow?) said that the first person to call and tell her (about the arrest) was Carol Daly.

There are lots of great human beings out there doing amazing work. Mrs. Daly is a fine law enforcement officer and an even better human being.

I've been skimming twitter today looking for new info and it's all I can see now, and it's incredibly frustrating.

"She solved the case" "She caught the killer". "She did what police couldn't". It's just so disrespectful to the people who spent their entire careers, and retirements, devoted to this case. Coming in, at the very end, using this for fame ... it's very gross.

But are people who represent her (or the book) doing it? Or, are uninformed individuals (more than half of social media) doing it?

You'd be surprised how lazy people are with their news gathering skills.

But are people who represent her (or the book) doing it, or, are uninformed people (half of Twitter) doing it? You'd be surprised how lazy people are with their news gathering skills.


Both, and that's the problem.

The Sheriff literally said no leads came from her book and Patton Oswald is out there saying she solved it regardless, they're spreading a false narrative and everyone's buying the koolaid

I still fail to see why people are so bent out of shape about Michelle McNamara. I've never understood the agida about moniker's or who gets credit for what.

This case is SOLVED. Can't it just be: Greatest News Ever.

Boom. Done.

I agree. I think the backlash against her is over the top and uncalled for, especially Hot Jock's reactions.

I don't like the GSK moniker but regardless of his name, the victory is that he was finally caught.

Both, and that's the problem.

The Sheriff literally said no leads came from her book and Patton Oswald is out there saying she solved it regardless, and everyone's buying the koolaid

Well, that's a shame that Patton would do that. As, frankly the book did not ultimately lead to anything but renewed attention. Which, while very important did not lead to the final break in the case if you read between the lines of the press conference.

That's disappointing to see that Patton is claiming that, all I can say is he loved his wife and he was proud of what she wrote. His emotional anchor and loyalty is more towards her than victims/law enforcement, etc. That part I understand. To me, that's normal human emotion to be loyal to those that are closest to us.

Words cannot express how happy I am for the families of the victims!!!!

It's been an incredible year or so for cases I didn't think would ever be solved Joseph DeAngelo the Laurie Bible Ashley Freeman case Joyce McLain how many others here did not think that any of those would be solved not to mention Gabby's bones


And now Cosby's been found guilty!

Donald Eugene Webb finally solved in the last year too.. that was a biggie.

Donald Eugene Webb finally solved in the last year too.. that was a biggie.

I figured that Webb had died shortly after the robbery, not hiding in a cubby hole.

Glad to see this case solved; several investigators worked on this case over the decades and deserve recognition for their efforts. I expected the guy to be a bit younger that what he was at the time of the attacks, and I agree that decreasing physical agility certainly might have played a role in the cessation of the attacks - if he was scared that he was losing control of the situations, he might have decided to stop.

NYT: Genealogy Websites Were Key to Big Break in Golden State Killer Case (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us/golden-state-killer.html)

Investigators used DNA from crime scenes and plugged that genetic profile into a private online genealogy database. They found distant relatives of Mr. DeAngelo’s and traced their DNA to him.

“We found a person that was the right age and lived in this area — and that was Mr. DeAngelo,” said Steve Grippi, the assistant chief in the Sacramento district attorney’s office.

Investigators then obtained what Anne Marie Schubert, the Sacramento district attorney, called “abandoned” DNA samples from Mr. DeAngelo.

“You leave your DNA in a place that is a public domain,” she said.

The test result confirmed the match to more than 10 murders in California. Ms. Schubert’s office then obtained a second sample and came back with the same positive result, matching the full DNA profile.

Representatives at 23andMe and other gene testing services denied on Thursday that they had been involved in identifying the killer.

Well I'll be ......

It's going to be interesting to see 1) how this works out, legally 2) how this impacts the business of the genealogy companies and 3) how many other cases might end up being close to being solved by this method.

Whoever had this idea needs national recognition. It's brilliant.

This case could speed up the I-70 Killer case.

Looking at older photos of DeAngelo.....it matches one of the sketches perfectly.

Whats amazing about that technology is that he could have avoided putting his DNA on those sites, but it doesn't matter. He couldn't stop people closely related to him from putting theirs.

For anyone curious, this case is on Prime Season 12 episode 8