If you could pick 1 UM case that you could personally investigate with access to the complete official police file, evidence & unlimited funds which case would you choose & why?

I would choose the Robert Fisher case. I think he probably commited suicide in the woods soon after abandoning his vehicle and his remains were scattered by animals. But, that crime was so utterly brutal that I would try everything possible to find him just in case he is still hiding amongst us.

Might as well be the Nyleen Kay Marshall case. It's the one I've done the most research on.

The Marshall Case is beyond heartbreaking. I pray that gets solved. It was so sad to find out her mother was raped and murdered as well. That family has been thru a living hell.

Spanish Lotto what's going on in your Avatar? :eek:

Either EAR/ONS or the Connecticut River Valley Killer. Both are possibly still alive, and the use of Y-STR testing could help connect EAR/ONS to a potential surname and region (I know that they haven't established a hit in CODIS, which isn't that surprising). It would still be quite a long shot, given civil liberty issues with dna databases and Y-STR doesn't indicate a specific individual, but since neither case is likely to be solved other than with a family member coming forward with information, different testing is an avenue to be pursued, at least with EAR/ONS.

Spanish Lotto what's going on in your Avatar? :eek:
That is a ghost from the Moss Beach Ghost Segment. When the waiter goes in the kitchen. Spooky huh?

Either EAR/ONS or the Connecticut River Valley Killer. Both are possibly still alive, and the use of Y-STR testing could help connect EAR/ONS to a potential surname and region (I know that they haven't established a hit in CODIS, which isn't that surprising). It would still be quite a long shot, given civil liberty issues with dna databases and Y-STR doesn't indicate a specific individual, but since neither case is likely to be solved other than with a family member coming forward with information, different testing is an avenue to be pursued, at least with EAR/ONS.
The east area rapist/ original night stalker is a great choice. That's a terrible case that needs to be solved. I wonder if he is on the streets, dead or in jail.

Great question! I'm surprised more people aren't playing!

It didn't USED to be this case, but I would say Tim McClure. There's SOMETHING going on behind the scenes that we don't know. I would like to examine the police file to see.

Second place: Maura Murray. Not profiled on UM, but daaaang. That's also an interesting rabbit hole to fall down.

It didn't USED to be this case, but I would say Tim McClure. There's SOMETHING going on behind the scenes that we don't know. I would like to examine the police file to see.

Yeah, I'd have to second this. Not the most messed up case, but I would also love to know what they had (or didn't have) when they charged Tim and then subsequently let him go. I'd just love to read all of the case file.

My 1A choice (if I can have one) would be Cindy James. I would just like to solve it, one way or another.

Now... if I could see UM's production files on how the "Mystery Rock" ever made it to the airwaves, that would be excellent. :lol:

Great idea for a thread, Spanish Lotto!

Great question! I'm surprised more people aren't playing!

It didn't USED to be this case, but I would say Tim McClure. There's SOMETHING going on behind the scenes that we don't know. I would like to examine the police file to see.

Second place: Maura Murray. Not profiled on UM, but daaaang. That's also an interesting rabbit hole to fall down.
The McClure case has always fascinated me. There was a lot of things mentioned in the segment that seem to point at Tim McClure, but he had that gentle giant ah' shucks personality about him that made it hard for me to see him hurting anyone, let alone kill his Mother. But, I wouldn't be surprised either way I guess. I'm going to look into the Maura Murray case when I get the chance.

Pretty much every treasure case featured.

Yeah, I'd have to second this. Not the most messed up case, but I would also love to know what they had (or didn't have) when they charged Tim and then subsequently let him go. I'd just love to read all of the case file.

My 1A choice (if I can have one) would be Cindy James. I would just like to solve it, one way or another.

Now... if I could see UM's production files on how the "Mystery Rock" ever made it to the airwaves, that would be excellent. :lol:

Great idea for a thread, Spanish Lotto!
Thanks! UM is my favorite show ever and there are a bunch of segments that haunt all of us that continue to love the show. I thought it would be a fun & passionate thread. I'm glad you mentioned the Cindy James case because the way she died has always bothered me. That would have been such an over the top, difficult way to commit suicide. It's really, really interesting.

L'Oiseau Blanc. Basically any of the historical "plane/ship/person disappeared" stories, honestly. I'm a HUGE history buff, and it's always intensely fascinating to me to envision alternate history scenarios or things that could completely rewrite the history of a particular incident. But in particular L'Oiseau Blanc. With Nungesser and Coli's wartime history, it was both a fitting way to go and a sad way to go. Fitting because they were pushing the envelope, sad for obvious reasons. I would love to explore Maine and find that damn plane, just so someone can say, and know "They made it." It would also be great if their remains were found so that they could finally go home.

Pretty much every treasure case featured.
Lol! There ya go! I forgot how many treasure cases UM had until Amazon released the seasons. That would be a lot of fun.

Same with the treasure segments, though I suspect that a lot of them would end up p***ing me off if/when I found that various governments had found and liquidated priceless artifacts and completely destroyed historical items.

Same with the treasure segments, though I suspect that a lot of them would end up p***ing me off if/when I found that various governments had found and liquidated priceless artifacts and completely destroyed historical items.
Oh yeah, i'm with you on that. Historical Items & artifacts need to be preserved.

Might as well be the Nyleen Kay Marshall case. It's the one I've done the most research on.

I'll join you for that one. I wish there was more info available online.

Stanley Gryziec. This one was so sad (the 'tragic' theme playing when they described how his wife passed on just a few months later) and although there was a pretty good theory on what happened, nothing was ever substantiated.

I'll join you for that one. I wish there was more info available online.

Awesome!

I even made a website for her back in May and will update it when I get a new charger for my laptop. Not a whole lot of "new" info, just a few.

Michael Rosenblum. I have written (but not published) a book based on what I think happened, and it would be interesting to see how close my version is to the actual events.

Michael Rosenblum. I have written (but not published) a book based on what I think happened, and it would be interesting to see how close my version is to the actual events.

Considering the level of police cover-up that may have been involved on that one, it would be an interesting read, to say the least!

My first inclination is to say Kevin Ives and Don Henry, but I think all that's barring that one from being solved are several of the agencies who investigated it.

For that reason, I'd have to go with A.J. Breaux.

Dan Casolaro and all the related crimes to the "octopus."

Government conspiracies for the win.

If you could pick 1 UM case that you could personally investigate with access to the complete official police file, evidence & unlimited funds which case would you choose & why?

Blind River Rest Stop or Cynthia Anderson

Dan Casolaro and all the related crimes to the "octopus."

Government conspiracies for the win.
I totally forgot about the Octopus Conspiracy! That is a great pick!

Dan Casolaro and all the related crimes to the "octopus."

Government conspiracies for the win.

Charles Morgan and his shady dealings would be interesting to unearth for sure!

First post! Have been rewatching on Amazon Prime, forgot what a great show it was.

So many to choose from but guess I'll go with the Circleville Letters. I even went to their Pumpkin Show one year. I didn't ask anyone if they had an idea of who wrote them, now I really wish I had. Locals must have some clue.

First post! Have been rewatching on Amazon Prime, forgot what a great show it was.

So many to choose from but guess I'll go with the Circleville Letters. I even went to their Pumpkin Show one year. I didn't ask anyone if they had an idea of who wrote them, now I really wish I had. Locals must have some clue.
Welcome! I joined in January this year. This board is a great place to find articles/info on UM cases. Circleville is a fascinating case. Good choice!

First post! Have been rewatching on Amazon Prime, forgot what a great show it was.

So many to choose from but guess I'll go with the Circleville Letters. I even went to their Pumpkin Show one year. I didn't ask anyone if they had an idea of who wrote them, now I really wish I had. Locals must have some clue.

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There have been several times over the years the FBI has come out and said "we think we are close" or "we just got a strong lead" and nothing came of it. I really want this guy found before he passes away.

I would chose the Tara Breckenridge case. It happened in Houston and I live right outside the city.

Katherine Korzilius, because the case really bothers me, and I don't think it was investigated adequately.

Pretty much every treasure case featured.


Victorio Peak, cause I'm stealing for myself whatever the US Government hasn't already.

In terms of the crimes tho, there's so many in my tops list, but I'd probably have to go with Amy Billig.

Las Cruces Bowling Alley Massacre.

I decided to start at season 1 and go season by season looking at cases that have never had updates added to them. In Season 6 Episode 7(Amazon Prime) I came across the John Cheek case. I have obviously watched it before but for some reason it never stood out. It's a very short segment & is absolutely baffling. 28 yr old John Cheek was the CFO at a Memphis Real Estate company. His car was found on the Memphis/West Memphis bridge on December 2, 1993. There were no signs of a struggle or foul play in general. It was as if he pulled over to the side of the bridge and vaporized into air. At first it seemed that he may have committed suicide. But, almost 25 yrs later his body has never surfaced & everyone who knew him said that he was not depressed and would never consider suicide. I know, alot of families believe their loved ones would never kill themselves. Also, he went missing only hours before he was going to close a multi-million dollar deal that he had been working on. It was the biggest deal in his companies history. With the little info given I tend to believe he was killed and it may have had something to do with this deal. Just a guess. Very interesting case.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/John_Cheek

Great question! I'm surprised more people aren't playing!

It didn't USED to be this case, but I would say Tim McClure. There's SOMETHING going on behind the scenes that we don't know. I would like to examine the police file to see.

Second place: Maura Murray. Not profiled on UM, but daaaang. That's also an interesting rabbit hole to fall down.

Do you think it's something that makes Tim McClure appear guilty or not guilty? Do you think they caught someone planting evidence on him?

Chaim Weiss. I would love to talk to students and staff and ask them what they think happened.

Matt Flores and Charlie Anderson gets honorable mentions along with Dick Hansen.

Chaim Weiss. I would love to talk to students and staff and ask them what they think happened.

Matt Flores and Charlie Anderson gets honorable mentions along with Dick Hansen.

Matt Flores is one of my "rabbit hole" cases. I so want to see that one solved.

Matt Flores is one of my "rabbit hole" cases. I so want to see that one solved.

Me too. Do you think he was killed by a stranger or was the intended target?

I decided to start at season 1 and go season by season looking at cases that have never had updates added to them. In Season 6 Episode 7(Amazon Prime) I came across the John Cheek case. I have obviously watched it before but for some reason it never stood out. It's a very short segment & is absolutely baffling. 28 yr old John Cheek was the CFO at a Memphis Real Estate company. His car was found on the Memphis/West Memphis bridge on December 2, 1993. There were no signs of a struggle or foul play in general. It was as if he pulled over to the side of the bridge and vaporized into air. At first it seemed that he may have committed suicide. But, almost 25 yrs later his body has never surfaced & everyone who knew him said that he was not depressed and would never consider suicide. I know, alot of families believe their loved ones would never kill themselves. Also, he went missing only hours before he was going to close a multi-million dollar deal that he had been working on. It was the biggest deal in his companies history. With the little info given I tend to believe he was killed and it may have had something to do with this deal. Just a guess. Very interesting case.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/John_Cheek


Nah, he killed himself.

Maybe he botched something in the deal or had some other notice it wasn't going to go through and he couldn't cope. Maybe he was just sick of the daily grind. It's not uncommon for the currents to make body recovery impossible.

I think it was a mistaken hit. There's an article out there that states the wife usually drove the car and dropped him off at work, since they only had one car. That leads me to believe that the killer was looking for someone else in that parking lot, since the white car Matt was driving wasn't ever parked, it was just used to drop him off.

I have two I can't choose between.

1) Blair Adams, because he was found so close to where I live and I've never been able to make sense of anything about his story.

2) Chaim Weiss, because I can't believe that after this long, we have no idea who did it, especially with so many people in the same building. It's baffling and heinous and I just really want to know.

Great question! I'm surprised more people aren't playing!

It didn't USED to be this case, but I would say Tim McClure. There's SOMETHING going on behind the scenes that we don't know. I would like to examine the police file to see.

Second place: Maura Murray. Not profiled on UM, but daaaang. That's also an interesting rabbit hole to fall down.
OMG! I finally took the time to look into the Maura Murray case. Crazy! I listened to a few "Missing Maura Murray" podcasts on YouTube & I watched all 6 Oxygen "The Disappearance of Maura Murray" episodes. I also watched the "Disappeared Maura Murray" episode but they didn't even mention the Fort Knox Make Up theft while she was a student at West Point, the stolen credit card # food orders or the car wreck she was in a couple days before disappearing which was absurd to leave out. Absolutely Tragic & Fascinating case. I don't know what you feel happened but after getting all the info I believe that Claude Moulton, who lived in the A Frame house that was less than a mile away from where Maura vanished was probably involved. If you remember, his brother Larry Moulton(who died of Cancer in 2005) went out of his way to get in contact with Maura's father Fred. When he met with him he said that his brother murdered Maura and even gave Fred the knife that he claimed was used. It's hard to believe Claude would do all of this, implicating his own brother, as a lie/hoax imho. Also, if you watch the last 5-10 minutes of Episode 5 & the very beginning of Episode 6 in the Oxygen series a private investigator found small red spots in a closet of the A frame house where Claude Moultin lived at the time. The tests showed it was human blood of 2 people mixed together. But, sadly it was to small of a sample to pull and seperate the dna of either individuals. Thank You for telling me about the case.

EDIT: I should mention that my opinion that Claude Moultin was involved or killed Maura is based only on what I know so far. I definitely could change my mind depending on other info. But, at this moment I think it's the most plausible scenario. I think dying in the woods from exposure or suicide would be 2nd on my list. But, the search dogs ability makes me think she or something of hers would have been found in the last 13 or so years. Nothing would suprise me at this point. This case will make your head spin.

I also watched the "Disappeared Maura Murray" episode but they didn't even mention the Fort Knox Make Up theft while she was a student at West Point, the stolen credit card # food orders or the car wreck she was in a couple days before disappearing which was absurd to leave out. Absolutely Tragic & Fascinating case. I don't know what you feel happened but after getting all the info I believe that Claude Moulton, who lived in the A Frame house that was less than a mile away from where Maura vanished was probably involved. If you remember, his brother Larry Moulton(who died of Cancer in 2005) went out of his way to get in contact with Maura's father Fred. When he met with him he said that his brother murdered Maura and even gave Fred the knife that he claimed was used. It's hard to believe Claude would do all of this, implicating his own brother, as a lie/hoax imho. Also, if you watch the last 5-10 minutes of Episode 5 & the very beginning of Episode 6 in the Oxygen series a private investigator found small red spots in a closet of the A frame house where Claude Moultin lived at the time. The tests showed it was human blood of 2 people mixed together. But, sadly it was to small of a sample to pull and seperate the dna of either individuals. Thank You for telling me about the case.

Just an FYI. The 'Disappeared' episode aired in 2009. All the information you listed here was discovered afterwards so it couldn't be included in the episode. Although the first car accident was mentioned.

Just an FYI. The 'Disappeared' episode aired in 2009. All the information you listed here was discovered afterwards so it couldn't be included in the episode. Although the first car accident was mentioned.
Interesting. I wonder why or how the West Point & Credit Card # theft info didn't come out until 5 years after the incident?

Interesting. I wonder why or how the West Point & Credit Card # theft info didn't come out until 5 years after the incident?

James Renner discovered those bits of information while researching the case for his book...

http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/

James Renner discovered those bits of information while researching the case for his book...

http://mauramurray.blogspot.com/
Oh ok, thanks for the info & link.

Good thread.

Eric Tamiyasu (sp?)
Kurt Sova
Dave Bocks
Long Island Serial Killer

Long Island Serial Killer

Has this person or persons been caught? I'm guessing no?

Like everyone else, I have a hard time stopping at just one case. Who knew UM was like Lays potato chips that way? Off the top of my head, I'd have to go with the Patsy Wright murder. I've always thought it was funny that the segment made mention of how intensely regulated that form of strychnine was, yet LE could never seem to trace the acquisition of it. I still think tracing the strychnine could lead to solving the case.

Shout out to Brian and Jade regarding the Flores case. It's always been a rabbit hole case for me as well. A parking lot full of potential witnesses, and surveillance cameras a plenty, yet no one saw anything?? Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm".

Matthew Chase. I'm curious as to if any homophobic stuff was in the case files