After binge watching (and trying to catch up) a bunch of episodes on Prime, I got to thinking about how many opinions of mine have changed over the years. What are some of yours that you were so sure of at one point, but have now changed completely over the years? Biggest one for me is being 100% convinced that Tommy Zeigler was innocent and set up as a fall guy for the murders he was convicted of, but now I'm a firm believer in his guilt.

Jeffrey MacDonald. From watching the UM segment, I initially believed there was no way MacDonald could be guilty if Helena Stoeckley and Greg Mitchell both confessed to the murders, a woman in a floppy hat was seen in neighbourhood, and Stoeckley and Jimmy Friar both corroborated the story about the phone call. But once you dig deeper into the case, you realize the case for MacDonald's innocence completely falls apart.

After binge watching (and trying to catch up) a bunch of episodes on Prime, I got to thinking about how many opinions of mine have changed over the years. What are some of yours that you were so sure of at one point, but have now changed completely over the years? Biggest one for me is being 100% convinced that Tommy Zeigler was innocent and set up as a fall guy for the murders he was convicted of, but now I'm a firm believer in his guilt.



What changed your mind?

Tim McClure. I used to think he was guilty. Now I think he was innocent.

Glen Consagra. I thought innocent when I first saw the story, but now I lean toward guilt and I think there is a good chance he acted alone after I recently visited Honeymoon Island and took in the terrain.

In a general sense, I think that when I was younger I just believed whatever scenario UM spun. Now that I'm older and have sharper critical thinking skills, I tend to question the presentation a lot more. I'm not sure if it is old age, life experience, improved critical thinking, or what, but I'm a lot more cynical than I used to be in thinking about UM cases.

In a general sense, I think that when I was younger I just believed whatever scenario UM spun. Now that I'm older and have sharper critical thinking skills, I tend to question the presentation a lot more. I'm not sure if it is old age, life experience, improved critical thinking, or what, but I'm a lot more cynical than I used to be in thinking about UM cases.

I 100% identify with this. In high school, I was more apt to make a quick judgement and believe the UM slant. Now I look at it with a different eye.

I do think most of the suicides were that and not murder, when my view of that used to be opposite. I think in general most of the conspiracies I bought into at a younger age are less likely to be true. I’ve also softened my stance on quite a few (maybe a 90° change?). For example, I used to think Tim McClure was definitely the murderer of his mom. Now I think he knows more than he ever said, but I’m not convinced he pulled the trigger.

What changed your mind?

Just the amount of witnesses (some of which were not biased at all, nor did they have any possible involvement or implication of the murders) who came forward and implicated Zeigler. Felton Thomas's story has never changed. Had he been inside the store that night and fled after a robbery gone wrong, I don't think he would be able to consistently maintain that lie for over 40 years.

A lot of suicide/murder segments. I can't think of specific ones at the moment, but a lot of them I believed the slant of possible murder or whatever they were saying they thought might have happened. Now...given some time and my own experiences with depression/suicidal thoughts...I can DEFINITELY see where suicide is a very likely answer to what happened. A lot of the time, they give the standard "s/he would never do that to me/us" or whatever, and...yes. They very well could have. Everyone has a breaking point. And when a person hits that breaking point, it isn't always immediately obvious. I've been there, and many people who knew me well had absolutely no idea until I said something to them. Am I saying I'm 100% "this was a suicide" on these cases? No. But I definitely believe it is very possible/likely.

For me, quite a bit of my opinions change often. And it doesn't help to get on here and read other people's opinions, because then I begin to shift or doubt my own. And actually unsolved mysteries has taught me a bit about myself too, and how I perceive crime/ and society in general.

I am not very trusting of law enforcement in general, so if I hear Robert Stack say "according to Law Enforcement ..." , I generally know I will doubt the validity of that claim. And if I have to weigh what police say, versus what the "suspect" says or claims, I pretty much weigh them on the same level. A prosecutor would never want me on their jury.

A lot of suicide/murder segments. I can't think of specific ones at the moment, but a lot of them I believed the slant of possible murder or whatever they were saying they thought might have happened. Now...given some time and my own experiences with depression/suicidal thoughts...I can DEFINITELY see where suicide is a very likely answer to what happened. A lot of the time, they give the standard "s/he would never do that to me/us" or whatever, and...yes. They very well could have. Everyone has a breaking point. And when a person hits that breaking point, it isn't always immediately obvious. I've been there, and many people who knew me well had absolutely no idea until I said something to them. Am I saying I'm 100% "this was a suicide" on these cases? No. But I definitely believe it is very possible/likely.

Yep. As I've said in other threads were suicide was debated "you never know what's going through someones head, and what they're capable of"

Most people view suicide debated deaths as "they had everything going for them" or "I wouldn't do that, so I don't think they would". Like I say, you never know what's going on in someone's head. I also think mental illness is more rampant than people would like to believe.

I also think mental illness is more rampant than people would like to believe.

I subscribe to that, as well.

Let's see, a 180 and this program makes me think of Alcatraz.

And that raft...180 after dark cold 180.

Also my current avatar. A 180 there probably wouldn't be too bad. Just a guess.

I am not very trusting of law enforcement in general, so if I hear Robert Stack say "according to Law Enforcement ..." , I generally know I will doubt the validity of that claim. And if I have to weigh what police say, versus what the "suspect" says or claims, I pretty much weigh them on the same level. A prosecutor would never want me on their jury.

This is one area where I have flipped 180 on. I used to trust police, prosecutors, etc and believed they cared about truth and justice unless they were clearly in the wrong (like in Patty Stallings). A number of experiences including two trips to traffic court showed me that cops will lie their butts off and make stories up, prosecutors will bully you and paint you as a horrible person by twisting your words and the judge will automatically believe them by default and call YOU a liar even when you can demonstrate the cop is lying.

I also now tend to believe that many of the suspected murders are actually suicides. When the family says "but XYZ was so happy recently: they would N-E-V-E-R kill themselves" that pretty much tell me they were at a high risk of suicide and the simplest explanation is usually the best one.

Good Topic.

I used to think Tim McClure was guilty. Now I'm positive he was innocent.

I would have bet money that Don Dixon killed Eric Tamiyasu. Now I just think he's an attention whore who put himself into the situation way more than it needed to be.

I was positive Jeffrey MacDonald was innocent but as RobinW said, once you start digging, you find out that he's guilty.

I'm sure there are others but those are the first ones that come to mind.

Also thought Judith Hyams (or Hiams) was possibly still alive after her disappearance, until someone posted a fairly lengthy article which named one of the nurses who helped assist with her abortion was the one most likely responsible for those mysterious phone calls.

Used to believe Dub Wackerhagen murdered Latricia White and went on the run with Chance, but I'm now 100 % convinced all three of them were murdered by someone else.

I used to think that Carl Broadnik (aka "Pat Brown") was one of the more believable of the many amnesia cases profiled (this was the guy who was found barely conscious on the side of a highway in Wyoming). Even when the update revealed that he had some dirty laundry in the closet, I still thought he seemed pretty sincere, but then somewhere along the way, someone posted something that stated that when he was applying for social security, or food stamps, or something like that, he used his own name on the paperwork. He shouldn't have been able to remember that if his amnesia was legitimate, so now I feel pretty confident that it wasn't.

Also, and I know this has understandably been discussed at length lately, but for a long time, I always thought that "Gabby" (from the "Gabby's Bones" segment) seemed like an unlikely suspect, just on the strength of his approximate age at the time of the killing. However, after everything that recently came to light with that case, I now think it's considerably more likely that he could know a lot more than he's letting on.

Also, and I know this has understandably been discussed at length lately, but for a long time, I always thought that "Gabby" (from the "Gabby's Bones" segment) seemed like an unlikely suspect, just on the strength of his approximate age at the time of the killing. However, after everything that recently came to light with that case, I now think it's considerably more likely that he could know a lot more than he's letting on.

I thought one of the articles made it clear he was the killer?

Good Topic.

I used to think Tim McClure was guilty. Now I'm positive he was innocent.

I would have bet money that Don Dixon killed Eric Tamiyasu. Now I just think he's an attention whore who put himself into the situation way more than it needed to be.

I was positive Jeffrey MacDonald was innocent but as RobinW said, once you start digging, you find out that he's guilty.

I'm sure there are others but those are the first ones that come to mind.

Speaking of Don Dixon, has anyone seen that video from last year where he was interviewed about Eric's death? It kinda proves your point, Hambone, about him being attention-seeking. I still don't know what I believe though on Eric's death.

http://koin.com/2016/11/22/somebody-came-for-sole-purpose-of-killing-eric/

I thought one of the articles made it clear he was the killer?

If that was so, I must have missed that. When the daughter of the victim finally came forward and claimed that her uncle had murdered Joseph Mulvaney, right away people jumped on the possibility of "Gabby" being the uncle, and while I certainly think it could be true, I don't remember the woman (or anyone else) actually confirming that (or even Gabby's real identity being made public).

If that was so, I must have missed that. When the daughter of the victim finally came forward and claimed that her uncle had murdered Joseph Mulvaney, right away people jumped on the possibility of "Gabby" being the uncle, and while I certainly think it could be true, I don't remember the woman (or anyone else) actually confirming that (or even Gabby's real identity being made public).

Wow, I finally looked into this and, yes, it looks like it was confirmed that "Gabby" was in fact John David Morris and that he committed the murder:
http://www.thermopir.com/home/customer_files/archive/171102ir.pdf

Wow, I finally looked into this and, yes, it looks like it was confirmed that "Gabby" was in fact John David Morris and that he committed the murder:
http://www.thermopir.com/home/customer_files/archive/171102ir.pdf

Great find! Thank you!

Wow, I finally looked into this and, yes, it looks like it was confirmed that "Gabby" was in fact John David Morris and that he committed the murder:
http://www.thermopir.com/home/customer_files/archive/171102ir.pdf

I was not aware of this. Thank you.

I used to think Jule Caylor had something to do with Dottie’s disappearance but now I think he’s innocent. I think they had a marriage that reached a point where there was no love or emotion involved anymore. Kind of like just rooomates living together. It had probably been like this for a while that’s why Jule seemed as though he didn’t care

I used to think Jule Caylor had something to do with Dottie’s disappearance but now I think he’s innocent. I think they had a marriage that reached a point where there was no love or emotion involved anymore. Kind of like just rooomates living together. It had probably been like this for a while that’s why Jule seemed as though he didn’t care
Could not have put it better myself. Sure, he is a miserable man in an unhappy marriage, but there is no evidence he is a murderer. I'm convinced he is innocent and his demeanor just shows me he gave up on their relationship a long time ago, nothing more.

Could not have put it better myself. Sure, he is a miserable man in an unhappy marriage, but there is no evidence he is a murderer. I'm convinced he is innocent and his demeanor just shows me he gave up on their relationship a long time ago, nothing more.

Download and read this (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zclxv9thwqrxp7f/Dottie%20Caylor.zip?dl=0). There's no way in hell he's innocent.

Download and read this (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zclxv9thwqrxp7f/Dottie%20Caylor.zip?dl=0). There's no way in hell he's innocent.

Sorry to ask, but is there a Cliff Notes version for those of us who are too lazy to create a Dropbox account?

Sorry to ask, but is there a Cliff Notes version for those of us who are too lazy to create a Dropbox account?

You don't need to create an account. You can download it to your computer or "device."

Sorry to ask, but is there a Cliff Notes version for those of us who are too lazy to create a Dropbox account?

Sure.

Here (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5002661&postcount=60), here (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5002665&postcount=61), here (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5063521&postcount=94), and here (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5063986&postcount=106).

There's no way in hell he's innocent.

Yes — I totally agree. For a long time I waffled on this thinking maybe Dottie did run off to start over or commit suicide. But after I read those articles many months ago, the conclusion is obvious.

Jule is 100% responsible for murdering Dottie.

- I'm with Hambone on Don Dixon. I used to think he was the guy, and now I'm pretty sure he's just a drama mama. Given the information presented in the segment alone, Joe Wampler is a far more logical suspect, although I feel he probably wasn't responsible for Eric Tamiyasu's death, either.

- I went the other way with Jule Caylor: I initially thought he had to be innocent because I felt no one would be so brazen as to go on camera to talk about their missing wife so hatefully and flippantly if he had actually murdered her, but I had a board member email me a whole packet full of information years ago that pretty well convinced me no one else could have possibly been responsible for Dottie's disappearance.

- I used to think Don Sherman was definitely responsible for Linda Sherman's death, but now I'm not so certain.

- I've been back and forth on John Branion for years and am never sure what I'm going to feel the next. Currently I lean slightly towards innocence (that is, of hiring anyone to murder his wife).

- Was neutral on Tommy Ziegler for years because I could never make any sense of the damn case as there are a LOT of moving pieces. This year I finally devoted the time to delve into it better and was pretty well convinced he was guilty. Then read a book about it and am now back to square one leaning slightly toward guilty.

- Thought Paul Ferrell was innocent initially. I would call it guilty with some question now.

- Thought Jefferey Digman was murdered initially. Seems like a pretty clear-cut case of suicide when one considers the information carefully, although I do still have a question or two.

- While I still think at least Ann Sigmin had every intention of harming Charlie Sigmin at some point in time, I'm not sure either Ann nor Gary had planned on it being the night Charlie was ultimately shot and killed. I always thought it was interesting that LE had such divergent views on the case, but it has never escaped me that Gary Goff himself used to be a police officer (and although to my knowledge it's never been revealed for which agency he worked, I've always suspected it was the one which the officer who could see "no way Gary Goff is capable of murder first degree" also worked).

While I still think at least Ann Sigmin had every intention of harming Charlie Sigmin at some point in time, I'm not sure either Ann nor Gary had planned on it being the night Charlie was ultimately shot and killed. I always thought it was interesting that LE had such divergent views on the case, but it has never escaped me that Gary Goff himself used to be a police officer (and although to my knowledge it's never been revealed for which agency he worked, I've always suspected it was the one which the officer who could see "no way Gary Goff is capable of murder first degree" also worked).

Right after I posted about Goff in the "bad guys you feel sorry for" thread, I started thinking that him turning himself in and then pleading guilty to 2nd degree murder (from my understanding there was a plea arrangement so he could testify against Ann Sigmin) seemed slightly fishy. The case was not strong to begin with, IMO. Because Goff did have a broken arm in a cast, and Charlie was much larger. I think he had a decent shot of an acquittal (again, based off of everything known which was presented in the UM segment), and I just found it odd that he immediately came forward after the UM airing and turned himself in and plead guilty shortly thereafter. I wonder if Goff and Sigmin took off together and then he killed her too, which is why she's never been located. And it would also explain his reasoning for turning himself in immediately, and publicly pleading for her to do the same. Maybe I'm giving Goff too much credit. But if it's true, that's a hell of a way to get away with a 2nd murder.

Right after I posted about Goff in the "bad guys you feel sorry for" thread, I started thinking that him turning himself in and then pleading guilty to 2nd degree murder (from my understanding there was a plea arrangement so he could testify against Ann Sigmin) seemed slightly fishy. The case was not strong to begin with, IMO. Because Goff did have a broken arm in a cast, and Charlie was much larger. I think he had a decent shot of an acquittal (again, based off of everything known which was presented in the UM segment), and I just found it odd that he immediately came forward after the UM airing and turned himself in and plead guilty shortly thereafter. I wonder if Goff and Sigmin took off together and then he killed her too, which is why she's never been located. And it would also explain his reasoning for turning himself in immediately, and publicly pleading for her to do the same. Maybe I'm giving Goff too much credit. But if it's true, that's a hell of a way to get away with a 2nd murder.

Damn...that's a hell of an interesting thought.

Right after I posted about Goff in the "bad guys you feel sorry for" thread, I started thinking that him turning himself in and then pleading guilty to 2nd degree murder (from my understanding there was a plea arrangement so he could testify against Ann Sigmin) seemed slightly fishy. The case was not strong to begin with, IMO. Because Goff did have a broken arm in a cast, and Charlie was much larger. I think he had a decent shot of an acquittal (again, based off of everything known which was presented in the UM segment), and I just found it odd that he immediately came forward after the UM airing and turned himself in and plead guilty shortly thereafter. I wonder if Goff and Sigmin took off together and then he killed her too, which is why she's never been located. And it would also explain his reasoning for turning himself in immediately, and publicly pleading for her to do the same. Maybe I'm giving Goff too much credit. But if it's true, that's a hell of a way to get away with a 2nd murder.

Years ago, I seem to remember that someone related to Ann Sigmin actually posted in this forum and shared this very same theory that Goff killed her and disposed of the body before turning himself in. Of course, I think this poster blindly defended Ann and claimed Charlie beat her, so I'd take the claims with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Found the original post. Looks like they never posted again after that...
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=4560908&postcount=12

And it would also explain his reasoning for turning himself in immediately, and publicly pleading for her to do the same. Maybe I'm giving Goff too much credit. But if it's true, that's a hell of a way to get away with a 2nd murder.

Wow... That is a hell of a theory, Cars. But it makes perfect sense. Goff plays the patsy while blaming her knowing she’s already dead. Maybe he was crazy like a fox. Would be sort of like a “Usual Suspects” ending, but very possible.

I always thought Gabby's Bones would never be solved...but I guess I was wrong!

Yes — I totally agree. For a long time I waffled on this thinking maybe Dottie did run off to start over or commit suicide. But after I read those articles many months ago, the conclusion is obvious.

Jule is 100% responsible for murdering Dottie.

I read those articles and maybe I am still an amateur on this case but I am still unconvinced as no smoking gun has been spotted. Jule didnt seem too bright of a guy and he is sleazier than I first imagined but I still cannot make the leap to murder: he seems like the kind of guy who is too lazy to kill anyone and if he did would boast about it. I know this sounds dumb but if the law is so convinced he did it how was he never charged? What are they waiting for?

Having said that, if he did a deathbed confession I would not be totally shocked either. What I do not understand is why the detective believes Jule buried the body at home when he could easily dump it in the deep woods given his forestry career. Is he just the second luckiest guy in UM history next to that kidnapper in Minnesota?

Yes — I totally agree. For a long time I waffled on this thinking maybe Dottie did run off to start over or commit suicide. But after I read those articles many months ago, the conclusion is obvious.

Jule is 100% responsible for murdering Dottie.

I read those articles and maybe I am still an amateur on this case but I am still unconvinced as no smoking gun has been spotted. Jule didnt seem too bright of a guy and he is sleazier than I first imagined but I still cannot make the leap to murder: he seems like the kind of guy who is too lazy to kill anyone and if he did would boast about it. I know this sounds dumb but if the law is so convinced he did it how was he never charged? What are they waiting for?

Having said that, if he did a deathbed confession I would not be totally shocked either. What I do not understand is why the detective believes Jule buried the body at home when he could easily dump it in the deep woods given his forestry career. Is he just the second luckiest guy in UM history next to that kidnapper in Minnesota?

I read those articles and maybe I am still an amateur on this case but I am still unconvinced as no smoking gun has been spotted. Jule didnt seem too bright of a guy and he is sleazier than I first imagined but I still cannot make the leap to murder: he seems like the kind of guy who is too lazy to kill anyone and if he did would boast about it. I know this sounds dumb but if the law is so convinced he did it how was he never charged? What are they waiting for?

There is no smoking gun (as in evidence that could convict him) but the pattern of how he lived with Dottie, what he did around her disappearance, and what he did after leaves no doubt. Remember, he came off on UM with an uninterested, almost aloof attitude with regard to Dottie. Didn't care, couldn't care less, "Oh well..." But when you read about all the things he did, that is contrary to his attitude. He covered up and he ran. He used her mental state as an excuse.

It's not like Dottie was fleeing the mob. She isn't wanted for a crime. So if she really ran off, why stay in hiding all these years? I highly doubt she wasn't the victim of a random crime. If so, why hide her body? That would be a lot of work for a robbery gone bad or any other incident at the BART station.

Jule was a controlling man who ultimately probably snapped, murdered Dottie, covered it up, and got the hell out of Dodge. He totally comes across as a pompous, self-centered, egotistic ass and I am 100% convinced he killed is wife.

no smoking gun has been spotted

He rented out the house to new tenants before he reported Dottie missing. Virtually all of Dottie's friends and her sister say that she and Jule worked out an agreement that she would stay at their house in CA and pay him the rent while he went off to UT. The fact that he rented the house prior to Dottie being reported missing is the biggest smoking gun in this case. He knew she was already dead.

He rented out the house to new tenants before he reported Dottie missing. Virtually all of Dottie's friends and her sister say that she and Jule worked out an agreement that she would stay at their house in CA and pay him the rent while he went off to UT. The fact that he rented the house prior to Dottie being reported missing is the biggest smoking gun in this case. He knew she was already dead.

Yes! Again, there is no "smoking gun" in the sense that will convict him in court, but as Cars said, Jule's behavior shows he knew Dottie wasn't coming back because she was already dead. His "whatever" attitude on UM is very different than his plotting, calculating behavior in real life. On UM he was leaving notes on her car saying "Please come back" all the while he was moving on without her permanently.

Used to believe Dub Wackerhagen murdered Latricia White and went on the run with Chance, but I'm now 100 % convinced all three of them were murdered by someone else.

If we were going to have 'Top 5 Unsolved Mysteries reversals of all time' I think Dub Wackerhagen + Mike Reimer would be in it. Look at threads from say 2010, everyone KNEW they did it.

For the record, I always thought Wackerhagen was probably innocent because the motive made no sense considering they also thought he murdered his own son (wait a min - i thought the motive was that the step mom was abusive toward Chance - but then he murders Chance?).

Yes! Again, there is no "smoking gun" in the sense that will convict him in court, but as Cars said, Jule's behavior shows he knew Dottie wasn't coming back because she was already dead. His "whatever" attitude on UM is very different than his plotting, calculating behavior in real life. On UM he was leaving notes on her car saying "Please come back" all the while he was moving on without her permanently.

That Jules later on denied making the 'i drove her to the subway' story puts it in a weird light too, makes you wonder what the actual last verifiable sighting of her was.

- Thought Jefferey Digman was murdered initially. Seems like a pretty clear-cut case of suicide when one considers the information carefully, although I do still have a question or two.

Was it Gunderson's reputation that made you reconsider?

After reading up on Michael Lloyd Self, I'm convinced that he killed those two girls. He changed his story about how the interrogation went down and although he claimed the officers beat him, he made no mention of this to a doctor who examined him later that day and photographs showed no such injuries. He couldn't even remember on the stand which version of the interrogation was true! You can read more here:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=353596&highlight=michael+lloyd

I think this was one of those situations where the segment seemed to want to play up the fact that Self had a developmental disability and therefore those evil cops must have manipulated him into a false confession a la Johnny Lee Wilson. But the two cases are nowhere near the same. I don't think Self was anywhere near as "slow" as they tried to portray.

Sarah Powell.

When I first watched the segment when it originally aired I thought she was merely covering up, holding back information, or even exaggerating. Now I think she's a complete liar and faker.

Wow, I finally looked into this and, yes, it looks like it was confirmed that "Gabby" was in fact John David Morris and that he committed the murder:
http://www.thermopir.com/home/customer_files/archive/171102ir.pdf

"What do I have to worry about? I mean, really? I know I didn't do the guy. I didn't shoot this dude. I'm barely, in fact, I'm not even as old as the gun that shot him." - Gabby

"At this point, he's a little irked by the whole mess." - Stack

Another one I've done a complete a-bout-face on is Cynthia Anderson. I used to think originally that she ran away to escape her strict, religious upbringing that she no longer wanted to be a part of. Now I think she probably met with foul play.

Was it Gunderson's reputation that made you reconsider?

Not really, but he is definitely in that nutty Infowars vein that otherwise makes me throw the side-eye.

The Wendy Camp case. The first time I saw it when I was a kid I really believed that they had been dropped off at the Walmart and something happened after that. There were a couple reasons for that.

1. As a child, I couldn't comprehend the idea that Ida and Chad could come on television and be interviewed and also be murderers. It was just a hard leap for me to make.
2. Wendy called Leon on the evening before they left to return home. I had a hard time with the idea that they'd sit and have a visit with her all day like they did and then murder her at the end of it.
3. The detail in their story about the drive home that they left and they were fighting so they turned back and took Ida home. It's a subtle, realistic detail that lends credence to the story and makes it seem more plausible. It's the kind of little thing that many people wouldn't think to add into a fabricated account of the drive. Beverly and Ida were really quite crafty in their crime.

I've shifted 60º from thinking Patsy Ramsey almost certainly killed JonBenét to believing Patsy, possibly with John's help, staged the kidnapping to cover for Burke's probable guilt rather than her own. I still 100% believe Patsy staged the kidnapping which she would do only for herself or a close family member. God Himself could scarcely convince me to go a full 180º to considering, let alone believing, that none of the three were guilty!

Jule was a controlling man who ultimately probably snapped, murdered Dottie, covered it up, and got the hell out of Dodge. He totally comes across as a pompous, self-centered, egotistic ass and I am 100% convinced he killed is wife.

I’m with you. Even if Jule was unhappy in his marriage, it still says a lot that he can’t even be bothered to put forth even the slightest effort to act concerned about his missing wife. I saw nothing but arrogance from him.

I used to think something had happened to Sarah Powell, that there was some kind of break-in, but now I think she did it to herself. I am like, “WTF?!” because what could possibly be going on inside her head to make her do that.

I also think most of the suicide cases are actually suicides. From what I’ve heard, it’s a common complaint in the field of law enforcement: people have a hard time accepting a suicide. They will ignore all the clear indicators pointing to a suicide (recent breakup, job loss, or loss of friend or relative, history of mental illness or substance abuse) and focus on one weird thing like the victim was missing a shoe.

I also think that Darlie murdered her kids. The same regarding Jeff MacDonald.