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HauntedThunderman94 05-10-2017, 08:09 PM It was considered the perfect sitcom for the Trump era, hitting ratings highs in its sixth season. But that didn’t save Last Man Standing from a cancelation.
ABC Cancels Last Man Stading After 6 Seasons (http://deadline.com/2017/05/last-man-standing-canceled-by-abc-after-6-seasons-1202089263/)
robyrob 05-10-2017, 11:11 PM gotta make room for American Idol - everything that ain't nailed down must go.
This is sort of a surprise given the ratings...and another good example of how fragile show's future's are when they are not airing on their studio sibling network. If this show was coming out of ABC Studios, it would have easily been renewed.
On second thought however, it actually isn't too surprising in that the last few episodes seemed to be wrapping the lives of the characters. The youngest is going away to college, the middle is going away with her husband, and the oldest is more settled with her husband and growing son.
irehtman 05-11-2017, 07:44 AM Time for Tim Allen to return to the movies!
If this show was coming out of ABC Studios, it would
have easily been renewed.
I see what you mean. Networks typically profit more from shows they own than from shows they don't own, so they tend to be partial to the former. I'm not saying it as criticism toward the networks or anyone else; it's just a fact.
On second thought however, it actually isn't too surprising in that the last few episodes seemed to be wrapping the lives of the characters. The youngest is going away to college, the middle is going away with her husband, and the oldest is more settled with her husband and growing son.
I have only casually seen Last Man Standing, but judging from what you said, it seems to me that what happened with the characters during the final episodes made the sixth season work as a final season. In which case, I see it as a consolation for not getting an official series finale.
JO Sweet Heart 05-11-2017, 03:12 PM Time for Tim Allen to return to the movies!
Actually according to his Twitter page, another film is being done, but it doesn't take forever to make one. I wonder if CMT could keep LMS going. They already show the earlier episodes and it wouldn’t be the first time they picked up an ABC show, Nashville being their first. I actually saw it suggested at another website that Tim Allen should take over for the guy who was recently fired at the FBI. :D :D :D
God bless you and Tim and everyone else of the show always!!! :) :) :)
Holly
Chocolate Moose 05-11-2017, 03:29 PM I'm very unhappy about this
James28 05-11-2017, 04:09 PM gotta make room for American Idol - everything that ain't nailed down must go.
Yeah, any reality competition that takes up two hours a week or runs for two nights a week is going to take up so much of the ABC Network's schedule that ABC Network is going to cancel, like, half of its scripted shows. Turns out that ABC really does stand for Add Bull Crap.
I'm very unhappy about this
The one person whom I would really like to ask how they feel about this news is Alexandra Krosney AKA the original Kristin Baxter!?
Actually according to his Twitter page, another film is being done, but it doesn't take forever to make one. I wonder if CMT could keep LMS going. They already show the earlier episodes and it wouldn’t be the first time they picked up an ABC show, Nashville being their first. I actually saw it suggested at another website that Tim Allen should take over for the guy who was recently fired at the FBI. :D :D :D
God bless you and Tim and everyone else of the show always!!! :) :) :)
Holly
From what I've just gathered, CMT can barely afford Nashville, even with a smaller order and cuts in the production budget. Therefore, it's perhaps unlikely that they would be able to cover the cost of a show like LMS, especially with the kind of salary Tim Allen can demand.
Let's also put it this way, if ABC was footing the bill and not making any money off of it, then there’s no real economic reason for them to continue. I'm guessing that at the end of day, LMS was a show that skewed older (i.e. outside of the desirable 18 to 34 demographic) or those who actually share Mike Baxter/Tim Allen's apparent world view.
JamesG 05-16-2017, 12:47 PM ABC Defends Canceling "Last Man Standing"
by James Hibberd
May 16, 2017
ABC is breaking its silence on its decision to cancel "Last Man Standing".
The axing of Tim Allen’s sitcom which delivered about 8 million viewers on Friday nights has upset fans — particularly conservative viewers who feel the show’s Republican star was singled out.
ABC entertainment president Channing Dungey defended her decision to reporters on a conference call Tuesday, noting she also canceled shows with decidedly more progressive politics this year like producer John Ridley’s acclaimed drama "American Crime" and columnist Dan Savage’s comedy "The Real O’Neals".
“A large part of these jobs are managing failure and we’ve made the tough calls and canceled shows that we’d otherwise love to stay on the air,” Dungey said.
“That’s the job. I canceled Last Man Standing for the same business and scheduling reasons that I canceled Dr. Ken, The Real O’Neals, The Catch and American Crime. And Last Man Standing was a challenging one for me because it was a steady performer in the ratings, but once we made the decision not to continue with comedies on Fridays, that was where we landed.”
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/16/abc-defends-canceling-last-man-standing/
Mr. Television 05-16-2017, 01:44 PM ABC Defends Canceling "Last Man Standing"
by James Hibberd
May 16, 2017
ABC is breaking its silence on its decision to cancel "Last Man Standing".
The axing of Tim Allen’s sitcom which delivered about 8 million viewers on Friday nights has upset fans — particularly conservative viewers who feel the show’s Republican star was singled out.
ABC entertainment president Channing Dungey defended her decision to reporters on a conference call Tuesday, noting she also canceled shows with decidedly more progressive politics this year like producer John Ridley’s acclaimed drama "American Crime" and columnist Dan Savage’s comedy "The Real O’Neals".
“A large part of these jobs are managing failure and we’ve made the tough calls and canceled shows that we’d otherwise love to stay on the air,” Dungey said.
“That’s the job. I canceled Last Man Standing for the same business and scheduling reasons that I canceled Dr. Ken, The Real O’Neals, The Catch and American Crime. And Last Man Standing was a challenging one for me because it was a steady performer in the ratings, but once we made the decision not to continue with comedies on Fridays, that was where we landed.”
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/16/abc-defends-canceling-last-man-standing/
LOl so they canceled shows that were liberal? Of course they did. Most of them are so they had to cancel some of them. Otherwise they wouldn't cancel anything. Lame excuse. And the ones they canceled had awful ratings. LMS was still doing well for a Friday night show.
ABC Defends Canceling "Last Man Standing"
by James Hibberd
May 16, 2017
ABC is breaking its silence on its decision to cancel "Last Man Standing".
The axing of Tim Allen’s sitcom which delivered about 8 million viewers on Friday nights has upset fans — particularly conservative viewers who feel the show’s Republican star was singled out.
ABC entertainment president Channing Dungey defended her decision to reporters on a conference call Tuesday, noting she also canceled shows with decidedly more progressive politics this year like producer John Ridley’s acclaimed drama "American Crime" and columnist Dan Savage’s comedy "The Real O’Neals".
“A large part of these jobs are managing failure and we’ve made the tough calls and canceled shows that we’d otherwise love to stay on the air,” Dungey said.
“That’s the job. I canceled Last Man Standing for the same business and scheduling reasons that I canceled Dr. Ken, The Real O’Neals, The Catch and American Crime. And Last Man Standing was a challenging one for me because it was a steady performer in the ratings, but once we made the decision not to continue with comedies on Fridays, that was where we landed.”
http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/16/abc-defends-canceling-last-man-standing/
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LOl so they canceled shows that were liberal? Of course they did. Most of them are so they had to cancel some of them. Otherwise they wouldn't cancel anything. Lame excuse. And the ones they canceled had awful ratings. LMS was still doing well for a Friday night show.
From a ratings perspective the show performed well for ABC. What most viewers don’t know is that ABC would have had to enter into a new production contract with 20th (who makes the show). In the new contract ABC would have likely been on the hook for some production costs. 20th had being paying those costs in the original contract. ABC opted to cancel it rather than incur the new costs. At least that is their official argument.
I don’t necessarily think it was directly cancelled due to Tim Allen’s comments on Jimmy Kimmel's show. I do however think that ABC sees the anti-conservative mood of the country created by the Trump administration and that they decided they no longer wanted to be in the Last Man Standing business. The deal with the production contracts is a convenient excuse, but it is also a norm in the industry.
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God bless you always!!!
Holly
bh7812 05-17-2017, 12:05 AM In the words of Tim Allen today, "Stunned and blindsided" perfectly sums up how I feel about this cancellation. I'm none too happy about this. I am dumbfounded. The ratings were still good and by Friday night standards they were excellent. I never was able to watch the show on Fridays due to my job. I wanted to see it on the night it aired to support the show, I lamented and hated that I wasn't able to. It bothered me. I was only too happy to buy the DVDs for Seasons 1-4 when they came out. That show is the best multi cam sitcom that's come along definitely in the last 14, 15 years. Probably the best one since Boy Meets World ended and a bit further back since the end of TGIF. I was really hoping ABC would do the smart thing and reboot TGIF with that show as an anchor. They've had a few real good shots at that and fumbled. Hard. ABC has fallen so far from what they used to be.
Dungey's handling of this has me furious and I don't get furious or mad easily or often. That Upfront today was a damn embarrassment. A damn 3 ring circus embarrassment. I knew she'd cause quite the controversy within a few tears if starting-I never expected it to involve Tim Allen however. I had a feeling last year she couldn't cancel much because Paul Lee had already made most of the decisions and didn't wanna stir the pot right away. I knew she'd cancel this show first shot she got and she did it. Unbelievable. She's worse than Paul Lee in my opinion. At least he supported and rewarded the shows that did well! This upfront was atrocious. That is the most underwhelming Fall line up I've ever seen. You mean to tell me Dungey this is the same network that passed on Girl Meets World and Fuller House-both of which could have rebooted TGIF successfully. Yet picked up Roseanne!? Then publically kicked Tim Allen in the teeth. That just makes me more upset.
Dr. Ken I saw that cancellation coming a mile away, I'm not surprised at or upset by that. I don't ever sign petitions out of principle but I'm making a special exception for this and I fully intend to sign this one. It has over 110,000 signatures, someone needs to whack Dungey in the head with it. I'm also going to reach out to Amanda and give her my support. I like her and she perfectly summed up how all us fans are feeling and what the show is.
I'm done with ABC for good if Dungey doesn't reverse this decision. Strike one was passing on GMW. Strike 2 was passing on Fuller House. This is strike 3.
MiracleHand 05-17-2017, 02:13 PM Love that people forget that The Real O'Neals, which is the entire polar opposite, also got canceled. Where's the defending that show?
In the words of Tim Allen today, "Stunned and blindsided" perfectly sums up how I feel about this cancellation. I'm none too happy about this. I am dumbfounded. The ratings were still good and by Friday night standards they were excellent. I never was able to watch the show on Fridays due to my job. I wanted to see it on the night it aired to support the show, I lamented and hated that I wasn't able to. It bothered me. I was only too happy to buy the DVDs for Seasons 1-4 when they came out. That show is the best multi cam sitcom that's come along definitely in the last 14, 15 years. Probably the best one since Boy Meets World ended and a bit further back since the end of TGIF. I was really hoping ABC would do the smart thing and reboot TGIF with that show as an anchor. They've had a few real good shots at that and fumbled. Hard. ABC has fallen so far from what they used to be.
Dungey's handling of this has me furious and I don't get furious or mad easily or often. That Upfront today was a damn embarrassment. A damn 3 ring circus embarrassment. I knew she'd cause quite the controversy within a few tears if starting-I never expected it to involve Tim Allen however. I had a feeling last year she couldn't cancel much because Paul Lee had already made most of the decisions and didn't wanna stir the pot right away. I knew she'd cancel this show first shot she got and she did it. Unbelievable. She's worse than Paul Lee in my opinion. At least he supported and rewarded the shows that did well! This upfront was atrocious. That is the most underwhelming Fall line up I've ever seen. You mean to tell me Dungey this is the same network that passed on Girl Meets World and Fuller House-both of which could have rebooted TGIF successfully. Yet picked up Roseanne!? Then publically kicked Tim Allen in the teeth. That just makes me more upset.
Dr. Ken I saw that cancellation coming a mile away, I'm not surprised at or upset by that. I don't ever sign petitions out of principle but I'm making a special exception for this and I fully intend to sign this one. It has over 110,000 signatures, someone needs to whack Dungey in the head with it. I'm also going to reach out to Amanda and give her my support. I like her and she perfectly summed up how all us fans are feeling and what the show is.
I'm done with ABC for good if Dungey doesn't reverse this decision. Strike one was passing on GMW. Strike 2 was passing on Fuller House. This is strike 3.
The real reason Last Man Standing was canceled (http://www.looper.com/65478/real-reason-last-man-standing-canceled/)
Woman's Anti-Gay 'Last Man Standing' Rant Causes Her To Lose Her Job (https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-apos-anti-gay-apos-190900512.html)
MiracleHand 05-17-2017, 02:31 PM Another thing people forget is that ABC is bringing Roseanne back, and while Roseanne was a card-carrying liberal in the 90s, and still supports LGBT rights and pro-choice issues, she's actually a big Trump supporter and her Twitter has gotten her in a firestorm with some of her more liberal fans because of her support for him. Hell, she's tweeted Islamophobic things and yet ABC's giving her a revival.
The reality is that six seasons is a great run and it only lasted as long as it did because ABC had so much goodwill in Tim because he gave them such a big hit in the 90s, but six seasons for a show that never got higher than #50 in the ratings is a great run. You people are just used to this modern steroid-style run (for instance, Big Bang Theory by all means should've ended around 2014, but CBS is going to milk it until there's nothing left) where 8 seasons is now seen as "a show ending before its time" instead of "a long-running show that went out at the right time" that they're complaining that Last Man Standing has gotten as many seasons out of it's middling run that I Love Lucy, Maude, Good Times and Sanford And Son all had, all of which were far far bigger hits in their six seasons than Last Man Standing was.
Another thing people forget is that ABC is bringing Roseanne back, and while Roseanne was a card-carrying liberal in the 90s, and still supports LGBT rights and pro-choice issues, she's actually a big Trump supporter and her Twitter has gotten her in a firestorm with some of her more liberal fans because of her support for him. Hell, she's tweeted Islamophobic things and yet ABC's giving her a revival.
The reality is that six seasons is a great run and it only lasted as long as it did because ABC had so much goodwill in Tim because he gave them such a big hit in the 90s, but six seasons for a show that never got higher than #50 in the ratings is a great run. You people are just used to this modern steroid-style run (for instance, Big Bang Theory by all means should've ended around 2014, but CBS is going to milk it until there's nothing left) where 8 seasons is now seen as "a show ending before its time" instead of "a long-running show that went out at the right time" that they're complaining that Last Man Standing has gotten as many seasons out of it's middling run that I Love Lucy, Maude, Good Times and Sanford And Son all had, all of which were far far bigger hits in their six seasons than Last Man Standing was.
The irony is that Tim Allen in real life, is more or less, a "center-right" person. He did not support Donald Trump, he endorsed John Kasich instead. He likened Trump to Greek Mythological Tyrants. But I guess, because of the current political climate, and the simple perception that a majority of Trump supporters also watch LMS and Mike Baxter's politics (http://people.com/politics/last-man-standing-political-jokes-conservatives-canceled/?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag) may be more closer to their liking, they go hand in hand.
bh7812 05-17-2017, 08:23 PM Another thing people forget is that ABC is bringing Roseanne back, and while Roseanne was a card-carrying liberal in the 90s, and still supports LGBT rights and pro-choice issues, she's actually a big Trump supporter and her Twitter has gotten her in a firestorm with some of her more liberal fans because of her support for him. Hell, she's tweeted Islamophobic things and yet ABC's giving her a revival.
The reality is that six seasons is a great run and it only lasted as long as it did because ABC had so much goodwill in Tim because he gave them such a big hit in the 90s, but six seasons for a show that never got higher than #50 in the ratings is a great run. You people are just used to this modern steroid-style run (for instance, Big Bang Theory by all means should've ended around 2014, but CBS is going to milk it until there's nothing left) where 8 seasons is now seen as "a show ending before its time" instead of "a long-running show that went out at the right time" that they're complaining that Last Man Standing has gotten as many seasons out of it's middling run that I Love Lucy, Maude, Good Times and Sanford And Son all had, all of which were far far bigger hits in their six seasons than Last Man Standing was.
6 seasons is a great run, I'm not disagreeing with that in any way. My issue is with how Dungey dealt with this publically yesterday. O felt it was unprofessional and disrespectful. She announced the Roseanne revival then kicked Tim Allen in the teeth almost back to back from what I understand. It was like really?
I took the productive route and voiced my opinion by signing the petition last night. I'm not really wanting to make a big deal over my displeasure of this, I spoke my voice though. I also did reach out to Amanda, she's probably getting inundated with stuff so it'll take her a while to get to my message. We'll see if she replies I hope she does.
The fans aren't really asking for w multi season renewal here. I think fans would be very happy with and satisfied if Dungey reversed this and granted Tim either 8 or 13 more episodes to give the show closure and a finale. Coming this far I think the show deserves that much. If she won't budge I'm hoping another network will pick it up for just one more year for closure. Fox said last year they'd give it a spot if ABC wouldn't. Fox is probably the best hope right now unless Dungey reverses. Either Fox, NBC, CBS, cable or Netflix should give it just enough time to have closure and a finale. That's really all we're asking for and expecting.
MiracleHand 05-17-2017, 09:24 PM You mean to tell me Dungey this is the same network that passed on Girl Meets World and Fuller House-both of which could have rebooted TGIF successfully. Yet picked up Roseanne!? Then publically kicked Tim Allen in the teeth. That just makes me more upset.
I never watched Girl Meets World because I didn't even like the original show (I was 14-20 when it was on but somehow missed it) and never bothered with Fuller House because I detest all things Cameron, plus I long ago outgrew Full House... yet I cannot wait for Roseanne. Roseanne was never cutesy (which is what I hated about TGIF shows) and many of us actually would love to see where Roseanne, Dan, Jackie, Darlene, Becky, DJ and everyone else is up to and doing today. Totally different demographic. GMW and FH are wholesome shows someone wants to pass down to their kids that they grew up with, Roseanne is something for the adults.
Plus, seeing that Last Man Standing is basically what kept Galaxy Quest II (one of the only Tim Allen things I ever liked) from happening which will never happen now because of Alan Rickman's death... gives me more reason to dislike it. They were wanting to go forward with a sequel a few years ago but Tim's TV commitment kept it from happening.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/matt-philbin/2017/05/18/eight-reasons-well-miss-last-man-standing
By Matt Philbin | May 19, 2017 | 1:05 PM EDT
Let’s face it, in the age of “woke” celebrities and ESPN talking heads, “shut up and sing” (or act, or catch the ball, etc.) is an increasingly unrealistic conservative ideal. Yes, many of us would love to be entertained without politics – right or left – intruding. But it ain’t gonna happen.
That’s why it was nice to have Last Man Standing for the last six years, and many people suspect its the real reason ABC unexpectedly canceled it last week. Tim Allen’s sitcom was about the only show on TV to regularly skewer the left. Coming along in the Obama years, when supposedly edgy late night comedians couldn’t find anything to mock about “The One,” LMS was a welcome exception to the presidential adulation. It carried on into the Hillary Clinton campaign and the birth of “the Resistance.” It will be missed.
king of comedy 05-19-2017, 05:59 PM Those 8 reasons made it a great show.
In the words of Tim Allen today, "Stunned and blindsided" perfectly sums up how I feel about this cancellation. I'm none too happy about this. I am dumbfounded. The ratings were still good and by Friday night standards they were excellent. I never was able to watch the show on Fridays due to my job. I wanted to see it on the night it aired to support the show, I lamented and hated that I wasn't able to. It bothered me. I was only too happy to buy the DVDs for Seasons 1-4 when they came out. That show is the best multi cam sitcom that's come along definitely in the last 14, 15 years. Probably the best one since Boy Meets World ended and a bit further back since the end of TGIF. I was really hoping ABC would do the smart thing and reboot TGIF with that show as an anchor. They've had a few real good shots at that and fumbled. Hard. ABC has fallen so far from what they used to be.
Dungey's handling of this has me furious and I don't get furious or mad easily or often. That Upfront today was a damn embarrassment. A damn 3 ring circus embarrassment. I knew she'd cause quite the controversy within a few tears if starting-I never expected it to involve Tim Allen however. I had a feeling last year she couldn't cancel much because Paul Lee had already made most of the decisions and didn't wanna stir the pot right away. I knew she'd cancel this show first shot she got and she did it. Unbelievable. She's worse than Paul Lee in my opinion. At least he supported and rewarded the shows that did well! This upfront was atrocious. That is the most underwhelming Fall line up I've ever seen. You mean to tell me Dungey this is the same network that passed on Girl Meets World and Fuller House-both of which could have rebooted TGIF successfully. Yet picked up Roseanne!? Then publically kicked Tim Allen in the teeth. That just makes me more upset.
Dr. Ken I saw that cancellation coming a mile away, I'm not surprised at or upset by that. I don't ever sign petitions out of principle but I'm making a special exception for this and I fully intend to sign this one. It has over 110,000 signatures, someone needs to whack Dungey in the head with it. I'm also going to reach out to Amanda and give her my support. I like her and she perfectly summed up how all us fans are feeling and what the show is.
I'm done with ABC for good if Dungey doesn't reverse this decision. Strike one was passing on GMW. Strike 2 was passing on Fuller House. This is strike 3.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/16/5-unanswered-questions-about-abcs-cancellation-of-last-man-standing/
1. Was the cancellation of the show motivated by politics in any way, either by the series’ own conservative-leaning worldview or by star Tim Allen’s own politics?
Despite getting this exact question on the conference call, Dungey avoided answering it directly.
“I cancelled Last Man Standing for the same business and scheduling reasons I cancelled The Real O’Neals, Dr. Ken, The Catch, American Crime,” Dungey said. “It was challenging because it was a steady performer but when we made the decision not to continue with comedies on Friday, that’s where it landed.”
The Real O’Neals, Dr. Ken and American Crime were ratings disasters (and none of them moved the cultural conversation much, with the exception of O’Neals, which appeared to exist solely to piss off Christians), so there’s no surprise in those cancellations.
But Last Man Standing was a ratings highlight in its sixth season, which brings up the next puzzling question…
2. If comedy “remains a priority” for the network, as it said on Tuesday’s call, why would it cancel its second-highest-rated comedy series?
Last Man Standing was ABC’s second-highest-rated comedy only behind the critically adored (and decidedly progressive) Modern Family.
The sixth season finale of LMS drew 6.06 million viewers and a respectable 1.1 rating in its March 31 broadcast, good enough to make it the most-watched primetime program that night in a tie with CBS’ Blue Bloods.
In fact, the entire sixth season averaged 6.41 million viewers, down just five percent from its previous season, a rare feat for a show at this point in its run. When considering Last Man‘s Friday night time slot, that’s a downright miracle, considering Friday night is where broadcast network shows typically go to die a more prolonged death.
For comparison, in its second season, Dr. Ken drew an average 4.41 million viewers, down a steep 16.3 percent from its first season. The Real O’Neals fared even worse in its sophomore season, drawing an average of 3.07 million viewers, a drop of 22 percent. Those cancellations were obviously no-brainers.
Which then begs the question….
3. Why did ABC bring back the perpetually low-rated Quantico when it draws one-third of Last Man Standing‘s viewership?
If you haven’t seen the network’s government spy thriller Quantico, you’re hardly alone. The show’s second season averaged just 2.8 million viewers per episode, down a whopping 35.7 percent in viewership from its first season and an absolutely astonishing 45 percent in the key demo.
So what to do when faced with these embarrassingly awful figures?
Dungey confirmed Tuesday that ABC was bringing back Quantico for a third season, albeit with a smaller initial order of episodes.
We’re “optimistic and excited about it,” Dungey said. She said the smaller episode order would allow the network to “see how it performs for us.”
Of course, there’s no way the renewal has anything to do with the show’s open hostility toward President Donald Trump and his supporters, right? Right?
4. Why would ABC move one of its highly-anticipated flagship series, Marvel’s Inhumans, to Friday night, traditionally a wasteland for unwanted shows?
Dungey said on the call that the network wants to make Friday night a “destination” for sci-fi and fantasy fans.
To achieve that, ABC set its long-running fairy-tale series Once Upon a Time at 8 p.m. Friday, followed by Marvel’s Inhumans, a superhero spin-off, and then once Inhumans finishes its run, the network will run Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in its place.
Here’s the question: Inhumans is set to air its first two episodes in IMAX theaters for two weeks ahead of the show’s launch on TV. It’s ostensibly a high-profile show for the network, and undoubtedly costs a ton of money to produce. Why would the network move this show to the 9 p.m. hour on Friday when it is traditionally the least-watched time on television? And it isn’t just me who has asked this question: “Did ABC Already Doom Marvel’s Inhumans With Its Timeslot?” wondered CinemaBlend’s Mick Joest on Tuesday. Maybe the network just doesn’t believe it’s going to be very good.
The move to Friday does make at least a little bit of sense for Once Upon a Time; after a stellar first four seasons and a modest drop in Season 5 (and after the departure of most of its core cast members), the sixth season of the fantasy drama averaged just 3.2 million viewers and a 0.94 in the key demo, down 28.3 percent and 31.6 percent, respectively.
Then again, the network just renewed Once for a total reboot in its seventh season. Why would ABC move its premiere family show from its comfortable Sunday night family slot to be a lead-in for Inhumans? Instead, Sunday nights will begin with America’s Funniest Home Videos, then move to To Tell the Truth, then reality show Shark Tank, and then new Kyra Sedgwick drama Ten Days in the Valley. Which seems an odd sort of lineup for a traditional family TV night.
5. Is there any other show in history that has not only retained its audience but has beaten most other comedies of its type that has been cancelled as abruptly? Ever?
Tim Allen broke his silence Tuesday to say he was “stunned and blindsided” by ABC’s decision. He likely joins many of the fans of his show (at least 138,000), who now feel as if the only family entertainment they could enjoy has been taken off the air, for reasons that can’t possibly boil down to ratings and scheduling.
A representative for ABC did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but the article will be updated if we hear from them.
Mr. Television 05-19-2017, 09:10 PM http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/16/5-unanswered-questions-about-abcs-cancellation-of-last-man-standing/
It's because none of it makes sense. They are moving 2 shows to Friday to die. The viewers that watch those shows aren't home on Fridays. And it looks like they're giving up competing on Sundays. All in all an awful schedule.
If their numbers are so skewed that 18-49 viewers mean everything, and the rest of the country means nothing, then it might be time to break up the big media conglomerates. There's 150 million people in the middle of the country who may not be as persuadable to advertisers as the people on coasts, but they'd easily be one of the 10 biggest markets in the world if someone actually tried to serve them.
What I don't fully understand Tim Allen or at the very least, his Mike Baxter character and those like him is the focus on all of this proverbial boogyman nonsense (at the expense of other serious issues). If anything, that sort of thing isn't really occurring since most of the elected and dictatorial regimes are run by males as is most large corporations and lobbying firms. But but the minute women fight for equal pay, access to healthcare, and autonomy for their own bodies, women are suddenly "taking over." It's like the show (depending on your immediate perspective) albeit encouraged being sexist and racist and full of anti-Obama slander.
James28 05-20-2017, 02:20 AM I am also sorry that ABC Network had to abruptly cancel Last Man Standing.
If LMS was doing so well in syndication right now, I wish there was an appropriate cable channel (especially a Fox-owned one) on which it would keep going, since FOX Network passed on it. Plus, I don't think LMS would be a good fit for the FOX Network, either.
I guess Tim Allen isn't willing to reduce his per-episode salary for LMS, so that may be a hurdle in 20th Century Fox TV wanting to cut LMS's production costs.
MrCleveland 05-20-2017, 11:24 AM gotta make room for American Idol - everything that ain't nailed down must go.
I won't doubt that LMS was cancelled so ABC can bring "American Idol" back...TV is TOO corporate anymore!
I am also sorry that ABC Network had to abruptly cancel Last Man Standing.
If LMS was doing so well in syndication right now, I wish there was an appropriate cable channel (especially a Fox-owned one) on which it would keep going, since FOX Network passed on it. Plus, I don't think LMS would be a good fit for the FOX Network, either.
I guess Tim Allen isn't willing to reduce his per-episode salary for LMS, so that may be a hurdle in 20th Century Fox TV wanting to cut LMS's production costs.
Bozell & Graham Column: Tim Allen's Hit Gets Cancelled (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2017/05/20/bozell-graham-column-tim-allens-hit-gets-cancelled)
Conservative ‘Last Man Standing’ to Be Revived? (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/scott-whitlock/2017/05/19/conservative-last-man-standing-be-revived)
WilliamHBonney 05-21-2017, 10:10 AM If their numbers are so skewed that 18-49 viewers mean everything, and the rest of the country means nothing, then it might be time to break up the big media conglomerates. There's 150 million people in the middle of the country who may not be as persuadable to advertisers as the people on coasts, but they'd easily be one of the 10 biggest markets in the world if someone actually tried to serve them.
18-49 Demo has been who advertisers are after mostly for decades now. That's not ABC that's their sponsors who pay higher rates for 18-49 ratings. The networks themselves would court the Matlock crowd if that's who Pepsi,Metlife,Nationwide,Us Army etc. and others who pay for commercials wanted them to.
Mr. Television 05-21-2017, 02:42 PM 18-49 Demo has been who advertisers are after mostly for decades now. That's not ABC that's their sponsors who pay higher rates for 18-49 ratings. The networks themselves would court the Matlock crowd if that's who Pepsi,Metlife,Nationwide,Us Army etc. and others who pay for commercials wanted them to.
It's also why network TV is dying. Networks want to concentrate on 18-49 so much and that's the demographic that's been deserting network tv like crazy. The rest are also leaving because they feel disgruntled. Don't feel sorry for them one bit.
Svenfan1234 05-21-2017, 02:58 PM https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/05/20/last-man-standing-20th-century-fox-tv-will-seek-new-home-for/22099687/
Last Man Standing is moving to another network sometime. Although FOX passed on it, they may just reconsider it soon.
Nickp91 05-21-2017, 05:23 PM Channing Dungey should be fired for her choice to cancel last man standing
It's also why network TV is dying. Networks want to concentrate on 18-49 so much and that's the demographic that's been deserting network tv like crazy. The rest are also leaving because they feel disgruntled. Don't feel sorry for them one bit.
It pulled an average of a 1.2 rating in-demo. While a decent result (especially on a Friday) and 100% of the scripted average with ABC last season it was not the #2 show ratings wise. It was like 4 or 5. Now, those ratings did not justify canceling the show. It was a very solid showing. However, ABC wanted to cut the Friday comedy block. Note that Dr Ken, which also had OK ratings, also got cut. They, along with every other network, are also going through a huge adjustment phase right now due to the new realities of the business, ad buyers, and progressively lower year or year ratings.
Lots of people do not understand how the 18-49 rating is absolutely vital in determining ad prices. Just because a show has high ratings doesn't mean it is economical to keep producing. High 18-49 rating shows can command much higher ad prices. Basically, Last Man Standing had high viewership from people who don't buy much product from companies who run ads.
Mr. Television 05-22-2017, 10:09 PM It pulled an average of a 1.2 rating in-demo. While a decent result (especially on a Friday) and 100% of the scripted average with ABC last season it was not the #2 show ratings wise. It was like 4 or 5. Now, those ratings did not justify canceling the show. It was a very solid showing. However, ABC wanted to cut the Friday comedy block. Note that Dr Ken, which also had OK ratings, also got cut. They, along with every other network, are also going through a huge adjustment phase right now due to the new realities of the business, ad buyers, and progressively lower year or year ratings.
Lots of people do not understand how the 18-49 rating is absolutely vital in determining ad prices. Just because a show has high ratings doesn't mean it is economical to keep producing. High 18-49 rating shows can command much higher ad prices. Basically, Last Man Standing had high viewership from people who don't buy much product from companies who run ads.
I understand ratings. Been following them since I was a kid. Networks didn't always do this to this extent. Back when I started tracking ratings the newspapers would list the top 20 shows. Never listed the 18-49 demo. Shows that had an older audience had long runs. They weren't dropped to a low rated night like Fridays either. Although to be fair Fridays and Saturdays weren't dumping grounds back then because some of the highest rated shows were on those night.It wasn't until the mid 90's that I started to hear about them and then it got real big after the turn of the century. Now it's just gotten ridiculous. And every season the 18-49 demo gets smaller and smaller. As I said, I don't feel sorry for them.
Mr. Television 05-22-2017, 11:32 PM There's approximately 185 million people in the US who are not in that demographic. If those people were located on another continent, American companies would be fighting each other for those markets.
I know it doesn't make sense. I fell out of the demo almost 3 years ago. No wonder I don't watch much television anymore.
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bh7812 05-24-2017, 10:25 PM Channing Dungey should be fired for her choice to cancel last man standing
I'm truly trying to understand her thought processes here and I truly can't. I don't want to bad mouth Dungey since I would like to work for Disney in the next year or so...so I won't bad mouth her. But I do think a heavy criticism of her thought process is fair.
That Upfront was...really something and I don't mean that as a compliment. It wasn't presented terribly well but more than that ABC's Fall lineup is just so incredibly overwhelming and blah to me at least.
The biggest head scratcher by far is the decision to make Friday nights the Superhero/Marvel block. I wasn't sure what they'd do with Fridays but I sure wasn't expecting that, that's for sure. My opinion and guess is Inhumans just got sent to die outta the gate and Agents Of Shield is basically gone now too. Not a great night for a block like that for sure.
American Idol...to me that show was a product of its time and there's no guarantee it'll fly again. I'm expecting it to do not much better than its last year on Fox. It's a very very expensive gamble that probably won't pay off IMO.
Roseanne....if this isn't a perfect example of a product of its time I'm not sure what I'm very skeptical it's gonna work in 2018 but I certainly intend to watch the limited series revival to see the grand train wreck it'll probably be that's for sure. That gamble will all come down to how they approach Dan having faked his death. It'll all come down to that. There's a few ways they could really hit the bulls eye but we'll have to see if they manage it.
Grey's Anatomy is....an old show at this point and probably doesn't have much longer so there it's like why??
Just a jumbled up mess of decisions I can't get my head around...the good news is it looks like SOMEbody stepped up and saved Last Man Standing which I'm happy to hear. They said they'll talk about plans next month so we'll see then who saved it and to what extent.
icecream 05-25-2017, 01:16 AM Grey's Anatomy is....an old show at this point and probably doesn't have much longer so there it's like why??I've never liked Grey's Anatomy. But it still gets strong ratings, was ABC's highest rated drama this past season by a good margin. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if GA passed ER as TV's longest running medical drama.
https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2017/05/20/last-man-standing-20th-century-fox-tv-will-seek-new-home-for/22099687/
Last Man Standing is moving to another network sometime. Although FOX passed on it, they may just reconsider it soon.
'Last Man Standing' Could Get a New Home After ABC Cancellation (http://fortune.com/2017/05/18/last-man-standing-tim-allen-new-network/)
liane60 06-07-2017, 12:18 PM I like it and Tim too.
#LastManStanding (https://twitter.com/TVLine/status/875140387311992832) Revival Eyed at CMT https://t.co/oKWeI33dYJ
#LastManStanding (https://twitter.com/TVLine/status/875140387311992832) Revival Eyed at CMT https://t.co/oKWeI33dYJ
So does that mean the show will be returning?
JO Sweet Heart 06-14-2017, 11:52 PM Thanks for the news! :) :) :)
God bless you always!!! :) :) :)
Holly
So does that mean the show will be returning?
Well, it can't be such a bad move for CMT if Tim Allen is willing to do a big paycut to make it profitable. I mean, Tim Allen got about $250,000 per episode. And once you add on leasing fees from Fox plus everything else makes for a expensive show.
Well, it can't be such a bad move for CMT if Tim Allen is willing to do a big paycut to make it profitable. I mean, Tim Allen got about $250,000 per episode. And once you add on leasing fees from Fox plus everything else makes for a expensive show.
Great that the show will be returning then.
JO Sweet Heart 06-16-2017, 09:23 PM ^^^ I don't mean to bust your bubble, but its not a done deal yet.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
^^^ I don't mean to bust your bubble, but its not a done deal yet.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
You're not bursting my bubble at all.
Great that the show will be returning then.
'Last Man Standing' Won't Be Revived on CMT due to disagreement over cost (http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/19/last-man-standing-revival-not-happening-cmt/)
stevea 06-19-2017, 10:57 PM Even if CMT did bring it back, a lot of cable subscribers don't get CMT anymore, at least on Comcast.
'Last Man Standing' Won't Be Revived on CMT due to disagreement over cost (http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/19/last-man-standing-revival-not-happening-cmt/)
Oh no. So it looks like the show won't be coming back for good.
http://www.thespoof.com/spoof-news/entertainment-gossip/128267/last-man-standing-cancelled-due-to-cast-fight
Tim Allen stars in ABC'S Last Man Standing, a sitcom that has suddenly been cancelled despite consistently high ratings for six seasons.
Speculation has run rampant as to why ABC pulled the plug on its most popular current sitcom. The most common theory is that Tim Allen gives a likeable and intelligent voice to conservative thought, which is a huge threat to the liberal media's agenda to make Americans believe that no viewpoint other than the liberal media's own viewpoint could ever be decent, intelligent, loving, moral, or tolerable.
The actual reason for the cancellation, however, has nothing to do with Tim Allen or his character Mike Baxter's conservative views.
In the first season, actresses Alexandra Krosney (https://www.facebook.com/BringBackAlexandraKrosney/posts/1339859586062228), Molly Ephraim, and Kaitlyn Dever played likeable sisters Kristin, Mandy, and Eve Baxter, respectively.
The on screen chemistry of those three extremely talented actresses made them come across as believable sisters.
After the first season, however, while the sisterly chemistry between Mandy and Eve remained strong, the decision to fire Alexandra Krosney and replace her with Amanda Fuller in the role of Kristin totally killed the chemistry between Kristin and both her younger sisters.
Alexandra Krosney was fired, because her conscience forbade her to portray the left-wing extremist personality change that was given to Kristin Baxter.
When Alexandra was asked whether her refusal was based on religious reasons, she replied, "It is not merely about religion. As a woman, I am sick of being thought of as a naďve, easily manipulated, gullible puppet who will mindlessly spout out left-wing propaganda and stupidly think that it makes me a 'strong woman.'
"A truly strong woman can think for herself, and would therefore reject the emotionally manipulative left-wing deception of what it means to be a 'strong woman.'
"I love my character Kristin, and could not allow her to become a mindless zombie for the left."
Krosney's replacement, Amanda Fuller, however, had no problem playing the new and intolerable Kristin Baxter whose ideas are sometimes well shot down by Mike Baxter (Tim Allen), but are other times left to hang out there without the proper rebuke.
Amanda Fuller would soon become jealous of the close sisterly relationship between Molly Ephraim and Kaitlyn Dever, and started taking it out on them on the set, in subtle ways.
Molly Ephraim claimed, "Kaitlyn is like a real kid sister to me, but Amanda feels like a wicked step-sister. I miss my friend Alexandra."
Kaitlyn Dever shared those sentiments, and things soon got really ugly on the set.
Molly arranged for Alexandra to appear, and united with Kaitlyn, the three original Baxter sisters approached the producers and said, "We are like sisters. It is either all three of us back together on the show, or none of us."
When Amanda Fuller busted into the room, a 3 on 1 cat fight soon broke out, complete with the typical dirty name-calling and surrounding circle of piggish men yelling for the ripping off of clothes, which did NOT happen.
So, ABC cancelled its most popular show.
On the upside, rumor has it that the three original Baxter sisters are planning to make another music video together, with more of a rock feel to it than the controversial "Pie Rack" video from the first season.
When Tim Allen was asked for a comment about the cancellation, all he could say was, "It was so much easier raising three boys. Uhheh!"
JO Sweet Heart 06-28-2017, 08:14 PM ^^^ I've never heard of the website that this write up comes from. How reliable is it?
God bless you always!!!
Holly
Mr. Television 06-28-2017, 08:18 PM ^^^ I've never heard of the website that this write up comes from. How reliable is it?
God bless you always!!!
Holly
It's not real. It's a satire website. I knew it sounded ridiculous. lol
JO Sweet Heart 06-29-2017, 03:23 PM ^^^ Thank you for letting me know.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
bh7812 07-05-2017, 08:48 PM That satirical piece didn't sound right to me! Regardless, it sounds like Last Man Standing is really truly cancelled for good now. Sad. CMT was its last hope really. Unless Netflix somehow picks it up it looks done. I still have Seasons 5 and 6 to see yet. I wish NBC or CBS would jump in and save it but it's not really a good fit for CBS. At least we got 6 seasons which is longer than a lot of shows last.
James28 07-05-2017, 10:52 PM Even though 20th Century Fox TV and the FX cable channel are owned by the same company, Last Man Standing probably wouldn't be a good fit for FX, either, with the roster of R-rated original series that channel has. Plus, I don't think the producers of LMS ever considered moving it to FX, anyway.
Even though 20th Century Fox TV and the FX cable channel are owned by the same company, Last Man Standing probably wouldn't be a good fit for FX, either, with the roster of R-rated original series that channel has. Plus, I don't think the producers of LMS ever considered moving it to FX, anyway.
The thing about LMS is that it always felt like a borderline preachy soapbox for Tim Allen than an actual comedy show. Had LMS continued on now that Barack Obama is out of office, it would've likely been even harder for Tim Allen's character to "complain" (since there's really no longer a proverbial boogie man) about anything since he's for all intents and purpose, preaching to the choir.
JamesG 08-06-2017, 03:02 PM Tim Allen’s Politics Played No Role in "Last Man Standing's" Cancellation, Channing Dungey Insists – TCA
by Lisa de Moraes
August 6, 2017
Tim Allen’s politics had “absolutely nothing to do with” the cancellation of his popular comedy series "Last Man Standing", ABC Entertainment chief Channing Dungey insisted this morning at TCA.
“Stunned and blindsided by the network I called home for the last six years,” Allen tweeted in May, after his multi-cam comedy was pulled after six seasons. His suggestion that his conservative politics played into the decision took off when picked up by conservative radio and TV news commentators, in the absence of another credible explanation from the network.
The surprise pull was a head scratcher, given that the blue-collar sitcom was ABC’s second most watched comedy in its most recent season, with 8.1 million viewers in Live +7, only behind flagship "Modern Family" (8.7 million).
“Politics had absolutely nothing to do with it,” Dungey told TV critics, insisting the network’s schedule is populated with actors who have “different points of view” politically. Allen was a “valuable” member “of the ABC Family and has been a long time.”
Dungey’s explanation for the cancellation is that "Last Man Standing" “came up to the end” of its pact and the network “unfortunately was not able to create room for it” on the schedule, which she called “disappointing.”
“His personal politics had nothing to do with it,” she reiterated.
http://deadline.com/2017/08/tim-allen-politics-last-man-standing-cancellation-channing-dungey-abc-tca-1202143524/
Fans call on ABC to revive 'Last Man Standing' after 'Roseanne' revival's politics revealed (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/m/5de0b12d-29c3-3ab5-bfad-9b41a950a92f/ss_fans-call-on-abc-to-revive.html)
When Roseanne Barr revealed her sitcom character is a Trump supporter in the upcoming "Roseanne" reboot headed to ABC in March, fans of the canceled show "Last Man Standing" immediately called upon the network to bring back the Tim Allen-led sitcom.
Allen, a conservative himself who has voiced his support for President Donald Trump, played Mike Baxter who is also politically conservative on the show which was canceled in May 2016 despite its high ratings.
FrostyShine 01-09-2018, 11:16 PM This show was cancelled because Tim Allen was a Trump Republican and his character disliked liberals.
The show got cancelled for political reasons. ABC can claim whatever it wants, but we all know the truth.
wiseguy182 01-10-2018, 10:50 AM Between Home Improvement and Last Man Standing, Tim Allen was employed by ABC for 14 years. He made millions and millions (and millions) of dollars off them. In the early 90's, they took Tim, a few years removed from a prison stint for selling drugs, and turned him into a household name, a major star and kickstarted his career, which led to a #1 book, #1 movie and a #1 tv show, all in the same timeframe.
I hardly think ABC has dealt him from the bottom of the deck. On the contrary, they have treated him very, very well over a long period of time.
God Bless JO Sweetheart, Tim and everyone on here always!
JO Sweet Heart 01-10-2018, 04:59 PM ^^^ Thank you! :) :) :)
God bless you always!!! :) :) :)
Holly
IllinoisTVFan 01-11-2018, 04:48 PM I don't know why people keep bringing up politics, that's not why this show was cancelled. I've had to correct people on Facebook who keep spouting this. It was a variety of things.
1. Contrary to a meme I saw, it's not the second or third highest sitcom on ABC. Modern Family is the top sitcom on ABC, followed closely by the Goldbergs. I think LMS was maybe the 6th or 7th most popular show on ABC. As someone who worked on TV (and has a degree in that) I follow ratings and the show wasn't as high as people think which brings me up to my second point.
2. It wasn't getting as many people in the 18-49 demo. Yes this is the coveted group for advertisers, and explains why a show with good ratings but an older audience often gets cancelled but a lower rated show gets renewed. I have seen the 18-49 for both Modern Family and the Goldbergs and Last Man Standing is nowhere near that. Yes it stinks they don't look at older people but that's how it is.
3. It got expensive and not profitable. Once a show goes into syndication it usually becomes more expensive. Many stations will keep expensive shows in syndication if they own them. ABC doesn't own LMS. It doesn't own Modern Family or the Goldberg's either (both in syndication) but once again better ratings and better ratings in the 18-49 by far.
Yes politics can often play a part but not in this case. If it was getting the ratings of Modern Family or the Goldberg's it would have gotten renewed. Also, both shows got a 2 year renewal which cost ABC money and this meant more expensive, lower rating shows had to go. I'm mentioning both of those shows because they are also sitcoms not owned by ABC but are ABC's top two sitcoms.
This show was cancelled because Tim Allen was a Trump Republican and his character disliked liberals.
The show got cancelled for political reasons. ABC can claim whatever it wants, but we all know the truth.
In actuality, Last Man Standing was canceled for three key reasons. 1) Ad dollars were not as high as ABC liked. 2) ABC didn't have the syndication rights to it. 3) Tim Allen asked for too much money for the show, especially for a show the network didn't have syndication rights to. The last one was the killing blow for show.
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