thought it would be good to have a list. Don't know all of them but here are the ones I know for sure.


-Gulf Breeze UFO
-The Face on Mars
-Tallman's Ghost (The Haunted Bunk Bed)
-Mike Reimer/Diana Robertson
-The Orange Sock Murders (Farina version only)
- Sherri Eyerly
-Mark Groezinger (Farina version only)
-Joe Owens
-Steve Hadley
-David Harry Fisher
-Baskin Children
-Tara Calico
-KROQ Confession
-Tommy Gibson
-Tony Alamo
-Dale Hyde
-Sacramento Thrill Killer
-Charles Warren Boomer
-Emma Figueroa/Spanish Lotto
- Freedom 2/Bob Dozier/John Russell
- Jeffrey MacDonald (available on the Farina version only)
-Luis Diaz/The Bird Road Rapist (Farina version only)

now the real question why these episodes are missing. It can't be statute of limitations since some of these are no applicable to that. It can't be because they were solved because plenty of solved cases have made it (Jim Burnside, Cheryl Holland). So I am guessing people involved in these segments don't want them available for streaming for whatever reason.

KROQ Confession

As for why these segments are missing, I don't quite buy "the people didn't want them released" theory. Certainly these people must have signed releases way back when these segments were produced. A contract is a contract.

I don't see this happening with the Forensic Files series. I might contact Paul Dowling and ask him about his experience with this.

As for why these segments are missing, I don't quite buy "the people didn't want them released" theory. Certainly these people must have signed releases way back when these segments were produced. A contract is a contract.

Not necessarily. The contracts drawn up back when these segments were originally produced almost certainly did not factor streaming video into the equation. As an example, one of the core issues at the heart of the 2007-08 WGA Strike was writers' compensation for digital video delivery both in terms of digital video sales and online streaming. While the people involved in UM segments are not writers needing compensation, their contracts most likely had language that specified syndication and home video release, but the contracts likely did not make any mention of the newer digital delivery methods.

Beyond that, just because these people signed release contracts back when the segments were produced, doesn't mean that Cosgrove-Meurer needs to play hardball and air segments against the wishes of the people involved in the case. It's very possible that, even with a valid release in place, CM is gracious enough to hold back segments if those involved do not wish for it to continue to air.

Add the Gagnon/Bourgeois (sp?) segment - escaped prisoners that were shown on the Alcatraz episode

And the Countess! That actress was one of my favorites - so over the top.

And the Countess! That actress was one of my favorites - so over the top.

She reminded me of a mixture of Doris Roberts/Teri Garr.

"Nothing to negotiate. Get in dah kahhhhh. GET IN DAH KAAAAH!"

Beyond that, just because these people signed release contracts back when the segments were produced, doesn't mean that Cosgrove-Meurer needs to play hardball and air segments against the wishes of the people involved in the case. It's very possible that, even with a valid release in place, CM is gracious enough to hold back segments if those involved do not wish for it to continue to air.

Exactly. I'll bet that when they had a policy of pulling segments if victims/family members/law enforcement asked because those are the people that it's supposed to be for, and they probably wanted to have a good reputation among those groups to keep doing the stories that they wanted to do.

thought it would be good to have a list. Don't know all of them but here are the ones I know for sure.

-The Face on Mars

This should be pulled. It was a hoax put out by NASA to boost the public's interest in the space program. (And when I say it's a hoax I mean the photo is real but there were hundreds before and after that showed the same area from different angles and it only resembled a "face" when the shadows were falling in one specific way - it was not "carved" like that.)

-Baskin Children

This was pulled for obvious reasons.

-Tara Calico

This may have been pulled because it dwells on the polaroid which is unrelated to TC.

-KROQ Confession

They may have pulled this because who wants to give these guys any more attention (good or bad clearly they just want attention).

They may have pulled this because who wants to give these guys any more attention (good or bad clearly they just want attention).

I see your point, but I'd argue it's more likely that Kevin and Bean didn't want this air anymore as it draws attention to a despicable prank they committed a long time ago. It's to their benefit that it is no longer available.

Gary and Terry Magno (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Gary_and_Terry_Magno) - this was also never made into a Farina version. Lifetime used to show it often back in the early 2000s.

I don't see the Robert Corrado case uploaded. Should have been season 2, episode 6. They did make this into a Farina version.

Was the Bonnie Wilder case uploaded? Should have been in season 2. I don't recall seeing it.

No on Bonnie Wilder. Reason why, the Statute of Limitations ran out before police could find her and arrest her. Also, the Insurance Company of the store Bonnie robbed from requested that UM stop airing the case.

No on Bonnie Wilder. Reason why, the Statute of Limitations ran out before police could find her and arrest her. Also, the Insurance Company of the store Bonnie robbed from requested that UM stop airing the case.

Did they really? They must think it makes the office look bad. Lisa Penz prob involved

I see your point, but I'd argue it's more likely that Kevin and Bean didn't want this air anymore as it draws attention to a despicable prank they committed a long time ago. It's to their benefit that it is no longer available.

I think you overestimate how much idiot radio personalities like those two care about how bad something might make them look. People like those two truly believe in the idea that, "there's no such thing as bad press."

Another segment that won't be included is the Sherri Eyerly segment and it is for "legal reasons"

I think you overestimate how much idiot radio personalities like those two care about how bad something might make them look. People like those two truly believe in the idea that, "there's no such thing as bad press."

Indeed. I think Kevin and Bean owe their careers today to this stunt. Their radio program went on to become a major success in the aftermath. Jimmy Kimmel started his career working for them on their radio program. They have never shown any remorse in what they did because they know they wouldn't be where they are today if they didn't do this.

I find it interesting that the Cindy Anderson case WAS included on Prime. Yes, Cindy's remains have never been found but the mystery of who spray painted the, 'I love you Cindy' signed by GW was solved long ago.

A different Cindy, who lived in Toledo at the time, had a boyfriend who spray painted that message on walls and signs all over the city. She posted here and said she and her friends would often hang out at the Pizza Hut across the street from Cindy Anderson's office...that's why the message kept getting painted back on the wall every time it was covered and Anderson mistakenly believed the message was aimed at her.

This Cindy contacted UM and Lifetime several times through phone calls and emails to get that part of the segment removed but it never ended up happening. She was pretty angry that it was never cut.

I find it interesting that the Cindy Anderson case WAS included on Prime. Yes, Cindy's remains have never been found but the mystery of who spray painted the, 'I love you Cindy' signed by GW was solved long ago.

A different Cindy, who lived in Toledo at the time, had a boyfriend who spray painted that message on walls and signs all over the city. She posted here and said she and her friends would often hang out at the Pizza Hut across the street from Cindy Anderson's office...that's why the message kept getting painted back on the wall every time it was covered and Anderson mistakenly believed the message was aimed at her.

This Cindy contacted UM and Lifetime several times through phone calls and emails to get that part of the segment removed but it never ended up happening. She was pretty angry that it was never cut.

That is interesting. I had no idea about this part of the Cindy Anderson story. Thanks for that info!

Did they really? They must think it makes the office look bad. Lisa Penz prob involved
Yes, it is in the archives of this message board, going back about 10 years ago.

I messaged the UM facebook and they answered pretty quickly. I first asked why the Charles Warren Boomer and Spanish lotto segments were not on there. They said it was because of legal reasons. Then asked them about the Orange Sock murders and they said that they couldn't "find a place for it". I asked them then if it is possible if we could still see it in a future season in place of a segment removed for legal reasons and they said "there is a chance it could happen"

I messaged the UM facebook and they answered pretty quickly. I first asked why the Charles Warren Boomer and Spanish lotto segments were not on there. They said it was because of legal reasons. Then asked them about the Orange Sock murders and they said that they couldn't "find a place for it". I asked them then if it is possible if we could still see it in a future season in place of a segment removed for legal reasons and they said "there is a chance it could happen"

They made a Farina version of the Charles Boomer segment, and in that version they showed the picture of Charles and his wife but they completely cut her out of it. It was weird. They didn't do this in the Stack version. The full picture is located on the UM Wiki page (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Warren_Boomer) for the segment. If this segment was really left out for "legal reasons", then perhaps it was the wife who didn't want it released.

I messaged the UM facebook and they answered pretty quickly. I first asked why the Charles Warren Boomer and Spanish lotto segments were not on there. They said it was because of legal reasons. Then asked them about the Orange Sock murders and they said that they couldn't "find a place for it". I asked them then if it is possible if we could still see it in a future season in place of a segment removed for legal reasons and they said "there is a chance it could happen"

I am serious, I think we need to have as many people as we can from this board post and ask about the Orange Socks segment. Sometimes I don't think they realize how much interest there is in specific cases from fans.

another missing episode is Dale Hyde which is weird since the main woman's face was not shown.


the Sacramento Thrill Killer segment is also not here

Makes me sad to hear that so many good cases have been excluded only 4 seasons into the streaming. Is the list at the top of this thread current as of now?

what is the difference between the videos on amazon.com and primevideos.com? I can't watch the four seasons on amazon.com because of geographical licensing problems, but I can watch the first season on primevideos...

-Gulf Breeze UFO: think this one was left off due to the fact that it was exposed as a hoax shortly after its first airing. There's really no point in showing it again.

-The Face on Mars: another dated segment that has been debunked. No need to show it again.

-Tallman's Ghost (The Haunted Bunk Bed): no explanation for this one other than the passage of time and no other phenomenon being reported by any of the owners after the Tallman's left. It also may have had something to do with fear of people searching about the story online and finding the real names of the people involved (IIRC, the family was filmed in silhouette).

-Mike Reimer/Diana Robertson: unsolved.com says this will be available shortly.

-The Orange Sock Murders: available on the Farina versions, but have no idea why they won't upload the Stack version.

- Sherri Eyerly: the only theory I have is that they don't want to show this segment because it implies a man (Darrell Wilson) as being a likely suspect and having him eventually commit suicide over it. Wilson was cleared as a suspect later on and another man confessed to her murder. I think it's possible that they didn't want to show a case which features a psychic which turns into nothing more than a witch hunt which led to Wilson's suicide.

-Mark Groezinger: available on the Farina versions but not Stack. No idea why.

-Joe Owens: older case which was solved relatively quickly after it aired. I could see why this one was excluded.

-Steve Hadley: same as above.

-David Harry Fisher: no explanation for this one.

-Baskin Children: probably done at the request of the family.

-Tara Calico: another one that could be seen as "dated" since Michael Henley's remains were found and police now believe that Tara died on the same day she went for her bike ride. It's not like they have time to go back and re-edit the actual segments themselves and plea for information on the children in the photo.

-KROQ Confession: I think this is kept off because of fear of some sort of lawsuit from the two DJs.

-Tommy Gibson: same as above. Probably don't want to face a potential lawsuit from Larry Gibson.

The thing is, regardless if some of these cases were later determined to be hoaxes, they should still be included for completeness. All they had to do was add updates to the end of the segments with the text overlay that they are using for the other cases. I take issue with the fact that these seasons are being touted as "complete seasons". Maybe their definition of complete is different from mine, but my definition means 'everything'.

The dictionary definition of complete is:


1. having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full


It's no different than excluding certain episodes from a DVD release or online stream of a sitcom series. People would raise hell if this happened to a series like Seinfeld, for example.

If there really are legal reasons for not uploading certain segments, OK, I understand. But to leave segments out because they were hoaxes or because they "just couldn't fit them in" is not acceptable to me.

That said, the Joe Owens case is a stone-cold classic; it's high up there in my UM top 20 segments. The fact that it wasn't included is very disappointing.

The thing is, regardless if some of these cases were later determined to be hoaxes, they should still be included for completeness. All they had to do was add updates to the end of the segments with the text overlay that they are using for the other cases. I take issue with the fact that these seasons are being touted as "complete seasons". Maybe their definition of complete is different from mine, but my definition means 'everything'.

But to play devil's advocate, UM also didn't have to show certain segments from the "Final Appeal" series, but they did. The Tony Miller segment (even though it's the Farina version) is one such example. On the Lifetime Stack hosted reruns, they would only feature the short 5 minute update on the Tony Miller segment. They've finally put the entire segment up on Amazon. So there are other cases that were only ever aired one time or shown very rarely that are available now. Guess we have to take the good with the bad.

-Gulf Breeze UFO: think this one was left off due to the fact that it was exposed as a hoax shortly after its first airing. There's really no point in showing it again.

-The Face on Mars: another dated segment that has been debunked. No need to show it again.

-Tallman's Ghost (The Haunted Bunk Bed): no explanation for this one other than the passage of time and no other phenomenon being reported by any of the owners after the Tallman's left. It also may have had something to do with fear of people searching about the story online and finding the real names of the people involved (IIRC, the family was filmed in silhouette).

-Mike Reimer/Diana Robertson: unsolved.com says this will be available shortly.

-The Orange Sock Murders: available on the Farina versions, but have no idea why they won't upload the Stack version.

- Sherri Eyerly: the only theory I have is that they don't want to show this segment because it implies a man (Darrell Wilson) as being a likely suspect and having him eventually commit suicide over it. Wilson was cleared as a suspect later on and another man confessed to her murder. I think it's possible that they didn't want to show a case which features a psychic which turns into nothing more than a witch hunt which led to Wilson's suicide.

-Mark Groezinger: available on the Farina versions but not Stack. No idea why.

-Joe Owens: older case which was solved relatively quickly after it aired. I could see why this one was excluded.

-Steve Hadley: same as above.

-David Harry Fisher: no explanation for this one.

-Baskin Children: probably done at the request of the family.

-Tara Calico: another one that could be seen as "dated" since Michael Henley's remains were found and police now believe that Tara died on the same day she went for her bike ride. It's not like they have time to go back and re-edit the actual segments themselves and plea for information on the children in the photo.

-KROQ Confession: I think this is kept off because of fear of some sort of lawsuit from the two DJs.

-Tommy Gibson: same as above. Probably don't want to face a potential lawsuit from Larry Gibson.



Being solved can't be the reason since plenty of solved cases have been included

ok, I asked the Facebook page about why Mark Groezinger is not included and they said there is a "technical issue" with that segment

-KROQ Confession: I think this is kept off because of fear of some sort of lawsuit from the two DJs.

You think so? Would they even have any grounds to sue in 2017 because they went on national TV in 1991 and lied about a publicity stunt they concocted with a third DJ?

A publicity stunt that earned them a slap on the wrist, a short suspension and helped start two very successful radio careers that they still enjoy today? Since they were busted, they only commented on it once. But the info has always been available online. Plus, that segment was also available to watch on YouTube off and on for the better part of 11 years. So why would Prime be so fearful they would sue? Evidently, a huge chunk of their listeners must know what they did and not really care.

I think Prime's explanation involves nothing more than a magic 8-ball of responses that they recycle for every question they get asked.

Another one - Clay Taylor.

I wish they'd update some of the little quick profiles they used to do on wanted criminals and lost loves. TPTB are being a little lazy with the updates.

The Beverly McGowan segment is there but the sketch of the segment at the end is gone. Makes sense though as this is a closed case


also surprisingly the Vince Foster segment is on the Farina version and looks to come to the Stack version. I though that might have been removed for being controversial

David Harry Fisher was a real POS but anyone know why they took this one out?

You think so? Would they even have any grounds to sue in 2017 because they went on national TV in 1991 and lied about a publicity stunt they concocted with a third DJ?

Didn't that case have a feature on it where a woman thought the "caller" might be referring to her daughter? That could be another reason why it wasn't included. It wasn't necessary to show, since everything was a hoax. Similar to Gulf Breeze.

Didn't that case have a feature on it where a woman thought the "caller" might be referring to her daughter? That could be another reason why it wasn't included. It wasn't necessary to show, since everything was a hoax. Similar to Gulf Breeze.

There was a woman who was interviewed in the update, Lis Cummings, when the DJ's were exposed. UM didn't have to interview her but I feel they wanted to give a face and voice to one of the hundreds of people who were given false hope from the confession. That update was rerun on Lifetime for nearly 20 years.

Lis was also interviewed in an LA paper after the DJ's were exposed...

Emotions indeed ran high when Lis Cummings learned that the on-air confession had been a fake. Cummings' 19-year-old daughter, Angela, was fatally shot last year near Yuba City, and she had hoped that the call might provide clues that would lead to someone being arrested for the crime.

"I listened to the tape and it was a pretty chilling thing," she recalled in a phone interview last week. "It was really creepy. You know how you get that feeling in the pit of your stomach? A feeling of how horrible that anybody could be so cold. . . . And then I felt hope that it was the person who killed Angela. I thought, 'God, this really could be it. It would really fit in with a lot of things that happened.' " Cummings' voice trailed off. "You grasp at anything. . . ."

When she learned this month that the murder confession was a phony, Cummings' hopes were dashed.

"Someone that would do a hoax like this is just as sick as a murderer," Cummings said. "You can't care about anyone else's feelings and do something like this. It's just cold and it's cruel.

"(The deejays) have obviously never had anything serious or painful happen in their lives," she continued. "There are lots of other things that people can do for ratings that don't hurt other people. This affected so many people's lives. I felt like I became a victim again. This was like being slapped in the face again. When your child is murdered and it's unsolved, it's not done. What they did was like taking sandpaper and rubbing it in an open wound."

Sadly, her murder is still unsolved.

I can't seem to find the Michael Rosenblum or Freedom boat (the one with Suzanne and John Russell) episodes. Did I miss them, or can someone please provide the season and episode from Prime?

Many thanks for your help!

I can't seem to find the Michael Rosenblum or Freedom boat (the one with Suzanne and John Russell) episodes. Did I miss them, or can someone please provide the season and episode from Prime?

Many thanks for your help!

Michael's case is on Amazon Prime: Season 1, Episode 13. It's under the title "Missing Valentine Parts 1 & 2".

The freedom case is not on Amazon Prime, which is strange because Suzanne and Kristin Tomlin are still officially missing and Russell and Dozier were never charged in their presumed deaths.

Michael's case is on Amazon Prime: Season 1, Episode 13. It's under the title "Missing Valentine Parts 1 & 2".

The freedom case is not on Amazon Prime, which is strange because Suzanne and Kristin Tomlin are still officially missing and Russell and Dozier were never charged in their presumed deaths.



you are right. Let me add that to the list

thought it would be good to have a list. Don't know all of them but here are the ones I know for sure.


-Gulf Breeze UFO
-The Face on Mars
-Tallman's Ghost (The Haunted Bunk Bed)
-Mike Reimer/Diana Robertson
-The Orange Sock Murders
- Sherri Eyerly
-Mark Groezinger
-Joe Owens
-Steve Hadley
-David Harry Fisher
-Baskin Children
-Tara Calico
-KROQ Confession
-Tommy Gibson
-Tony Alamo
-Dale Hyde
-Sacramento Thrill Killer
-Charles Warren Boomer
-Emma Figueroa/Spanish Lotto
- Freedom 2/Bob Dozier/John Russell



Melvine Aprille
Pat Fagan
Melody & Paloma Martin

I see your point, but I'd argue it's more likely that Kevin and Bean didn't want this air anymore as it draws attention to a despicable prank they committed a long time ago. It's to their benefit that it is no longer available.

I think you overestimate how much idiot radio personalities like those two care about how bad something might make them look. People like those two truly believe in the idea that, "there's no such thing as bad press."

+1

A long time sports radio talk show host in Chicago once said, "The secret to a long career in radio is to have half of your audience hate you and half of your audience love you"

And it's absolutely true... I couldn't stand the guy but listened to him the whole time I was in college. Probably still would be if I hadn't moved.

Melvine Aprille

That segment was my first ever memory of watching UM as an 8 year old. Really bummed that it's not included.

I think the Monica Bonilla segment is also missing. They had mistaken her for nylon Kay Marshall at one point. Her das was also obsessed with John Lennon

+1

A long time sports radio talk show host in Chicago once said, "The secret to a long career in radio is to have half of your audience hate you and half of your audience love you"

And it's absolutely true... I couldn't stand the guy but listened to him the whole time I was in college. Probably still would be if I hadn't moved.

Who said that, Terry Boers?

Who said that, Terry Boers?

;)

I thought it was Dan Bernstein, but I couldn't be 100% sure which of the two it was, which is why I was a bit vague.

Now that u mention it, it does sound like something Bernstein would say. I haven't listened to 1 second of the Score since Terry retired a few months ago. I started listening to Terry when the score first started when I was 12 or 13

Morris Davis is missing too. A little discouraging when it's an unsolved murder and could benefit from the exposure.

Morris Davis is missing too. A little discouraging when it's an unsolved murder and could benefit from the exposure.



Just asked and they said a legal reason is preventing that one from being included

Just asked and they said a legal reason is preventing that one from being included

Where was this legal reason when that case was being rerun on Lifetime for 15+ years?

:crazy:

Where was this legal reason when that case was being rerun on Lifetime for 15+ years?


:nod:

Same thing with all the other missing cases. Back in the day, Lifetime pulled no punches when it came to re-airing segments.

"Legal Reason" = Easy Out

It's a lot better than saying, "We messed up".

It could be that info in
The segment is outdated like the Calico seemt or just someone in these egment doesn't want it available to be streamed whenever someone wants

Is the Nicholas Koropolous abduction not in there? I know he was reunited with his his father shortly after the broadcast in 1992. But this is another segment I haven't seen in forever and would like to watch again.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Nicholas_Koropolous

Where was this legal reason when that case was being rerun on Lifetime for 15+ years?

:crazy:

Lifetime syndication would have been covered by the original contracts signed by the parties involved in these. Streaming video is a completely new distribution format that is not legally covered as syndication by the original contracts. That means CM would have had to secure new contracts with the people involved in the segments to get permission to release certain segments for streaming. If people objected, that would be a "legal reason" that the segments can't be aired.

Is the Nicholas Koropolous abduction not in there? I know he was reunited with his his father shortly after the broadcast in 1992. But this is another segment I haven't seen in forever and would like to watch again.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Nicholas_Koropolous

Unfortunately no, it was replaced by the Scott Johnston case on Amazon Prime. I don't think any of the parental abduction cases have been shown, nor will they be shown for "legal reasons". Most likely because those cases are resolved quickly and the perpetrators have been released years ago.

I wish they were available though, because some are great cases, like Jim Fontes, Poloma Gibson, the Baskins, Pat Farmer/Jared Peters, etc. with most having happy reunions.

Lifetime syndication would have been covered by the original contracts signed by the parties involved in these. Streaming video is a completely new distribution format that is not legally covered as syndication by the original contracts. That means CM would have had to secure new contracts with the people involved in the segments to get permission to release certain segments for streaming. If people objected, that would be a "legal reason" that the segments can't be aired.
This reasoning makes sense especially with a lot of the child abduction cases not being shown on Amazon Video. Most of these cases have been solved and result in happy reunions. The child and/or his family want to put the abduction incident behind them and do not want UM to air the case anymore.

A lot of "Fraud" cases are also not being seen in the Amazon Video Edition. This is probably because of Statute of Limitations or the Con Artist has been caught and has done his prison time and/or paid restitution. Like the children and families I mentioned above they too want to put the incident behind them.

Unfortunately no, it was replaced by the Scott Johnston case on Amazon Prime. I don't think any of the parental abduction cases have been shown, nor will they be shown for "legal reasons". Most likely because those cases are resolved quickly and the perpetrators have been released years ago.

I wish they were available though, because some are great cases, like Jim Fontes, Poloma Gibson, the Baskins, Pat Farmer/Jared Peters, etc. with most having happy reunions.

The Bill Day case isn't on there either. You're right. I guess they decided to scrap all abductions by family members.

Is the Deborah Poe segment available on Amazon?

Is the Deborah Poe segment available on Amazon?
Yes!!! Season 4 Episode 8, it's the last case in that episode.

The Bill Day case isn't on there either. You're right. I guess they decided to scrap all abductions by family members.

Could Bill Day be Season 5?

thought it would be good to have a list. Don't know all of them but here are the ones I know for sure.


-Gulf Breeze UFO
-The Face on Mars
-Tallman's Ghost (The Haunted Bunk Bed)
-Mike Reimer/Diana Robertson
-The Orange Sock Murders
- Sherri Eyerly
-Mark Groezinger
-Joe Owens
-Steve Hadley
-David Harry Fisher
-Baskin Children
-Tara Calico
-KROQ Confession
-Tommy Gibson
-Tony Alamo
-Dale Hyde
-Sacramento Thrill Killer
-Charles Warren Boomer
-Emma Figueroa/Spanish Lotto
- Freedom 2/Bob Dozier/John Russell

now the real question why these episodes are missing. It can't be statute of limitations since some of these are no applicable to that. It can't be because they were solved because plenty of solved cases have made it (Jim Burnside, Cheryl Holland). So I am guessing people involved in these segments don't want them available for streaming for whatever reason.

The Liebling
Phony Curandero (can't remember his name)

Could Bill Day be Season 5?

It originally aired towards the end of season 4, on the same night as Cheryl Holland and repeats of Televangelist bombings, Beverly McGowan and Cathy Williams-Loving.

The two weeks that followed showed Scott Johnson, Charlie Best, the Robert Kennedy assassination and the Belgium UFO. All of those are on Prime. So I guess that means we'll never see the Bill Day case.

David Harry Fisher was a real POS but anyone know why they took this one out?

This one doesn't make sense. If I were to guess, I'd say the victim's family asked that it be removed. I can't think of any other reason.

Also, where is David Harry Fisher? I see nothing online to indicate if he is still in prison, or if he was released (God forbid)

If I were to guess, I'd say the victim's family asked that it be removed. I can't think of any other reason.

People keep theorizing that in regards to many cases and I don't get it. After 17 years of reruns on Lifetime and another several years on and off on YouTube, why would these families all of the sudden decide NOW to contact Amazon Prime to specifically say that they don't want their case featured?

If I had to guess, I highly doubt the majority of these families even know that their cases are now available on Prime. Heck, I never even heard of Amazon Prime until the UM cases started streaming there and this place went bonkers.

Laura Burbank's parents were getting up there in years at the time of the segment so I highly doubt either of them are still alive today. Her sister (if she was close to Laura's age) would be in her early 60's.

David Harry Fisher is now 76 but like you, I can't find any more info on him.

People keep theorizing that in regards to many cases and I don't get it. After 17 years of reruns on Lifetime and another several years on and off on YouTube, why would these families all of the sudden decide NOW to contact Amazon Prime to specifically say that they don't want their case featured?

If I had to guess, I highly doubt the majority of these families even know that their cases are now available on Prime. Heck, I never even heard of Amazon Prime until the UM cases started streaming there and this place went bonkers.

Laura Burbank's parents were getting up there in years at the time of the segment so I highly doubt either of them are still alive today. Her sister (if she was close to Laura's age) would be in her early 60's.

David Harry Fisher is now 76 but like you, I can't find any more info on him.

I stated this earlier in the thread, but I'll elaborate here again. Most likely, the new syndication agreement with FilmRise to put these segments out on a streaming service like Prime required either FilmRise or Cosgrove-Muerer to reach out to the people involved in the segment to get permission to air them. The Lifetime reruns were standard syndication that would have been covered in the original contracts these people signed to be on UM in the first place as that kind of syndication was prevalent at the time. The Youtube posting of these segments was always a copyright violation, but it wasn't enforced in the early days. Streaming video is a totally new distribution channel that didn't fit into existing contracts (that's why the Writer's Guild of America went on strike in 2007-08, to get royalties for streaming distribution). So, when UM wanted to move to the streaming platform, they probably had to do a lot of due diligence and legal work to secure new permission from the people who had originally been involved in the segments the first time around.

So, it's not that the families decided to all of a sudden contact CM, FilmRise, or Amazon as much as it's about new permission needing to be obtained.

Also, while this explanation does cover some cases, it does not explain why some cases could be released on Amazon in Dennis Farina version but haven't been in Stack form.

I stated this earlier in the thread, but I'll elaborate here again. Most likely, the new syndication agreement with FilmRise to put these segments out on a streaming service like Prime required either FilmRise or Cosgrove-Muerer to reach out to the people involved in the segment to get permission to air them. The Lifetime reruns were standard syndication that would have been covered in the original contracts these people signed to be on UM in the first place as that kind of syndication was prevalent at the time. The Youtube posting of these segments was always a copyright violation, but it wasn't enforced in the early days. Streaming video is a totally new distribution channel that didn't fit into existing contracts (that's why the Writer's Guild of America went on strike in 2007-08, to get royalties for streaming distribution). So, when UM wanted to move to the streaming platform, they probably had to do a lot of due diligence and legal work to secure new permission from the people who had originally been involved in the segments the first time around.

So, it's not that the families decided to all of a sudden contact CM, FilmRise, or Amazon as much as it's about new permission needing to be obtained.

Also, while this explanation does cover some cases, it does not explain why some cases could be released on Amazon in Dennis Farina version but haven't been in Stack form.

I suspect this is the case. I know that music rights for songs used on TV shows have to be renegotiated every time it goes on to a new medium like DVD and streaming services like Netflix. That's why songs are often replaced, because those who own the shows don't want to pay extra to secure the song rights.

As you pointed out though, this wouldn't explain why some of these cases are on the Dennis Farina version of Unsolved Mysteries. Perhaps they were renegotiated separately a few years earlier?

I suspect this is the case. I know that music rights for songs used on TV shows have to be renegotiated every time it goes on to a new medium like DVD and streaming services like Netflix. That's why songs are often replaced, because those who own the shows don't want to pay extra to secure the song rights.

For this reason, I was actually pleasantly surprised to see the Kathy Power segment show up on Amazon Prime with all the original Jimi Hendrix music still in there.

I stated this earlier in the thread, but I'll elaborate here again. Most likely, the new syndication agreement with FilmRise to put these segments out on a streaming service like Prime required either FilmRise or Cosgrove-Muerer to reach out to the people involved in the segment to get permission to air them. The Lifetime reruns were standard syndication that would have been covered in the original contracts these people signed to be on UM in the first place as that kind of syndication was prevalent at the time. The Youtube posting of these segments was always a copyright violation, but it wasn't enforced in the early days. Streaming video is a totally new distribution channel that didn't fit into existing contracts (that's why the Writer's Guild of America went on strike in 2007-08, to get royalties for streaming distribution). So, when UM wanted to move to the streaming platform, they probably had to do a lot of due diligence and legal work to secure new permission from the people who had originally been involved in the segments the first time around.

So, it's not that the families decided to all of a sudden contact CM, FilmRise, or Amazon as much as it's about new permission needing to be obtained.

I see. Probably nothing more than a boring distribution issue. If so, that's got to be a TON of people to contact, which sounds like a giant headache. And the majority of these people probably don't have the same contact information they had 26 years ago.

Also, while this explanation does cover some cases, it does not explain why some cases could be released on Amazon in Dennis Farina version but haven't been in Stack form.

That's why I still think there might be technical reasons. If you watch the Lieutenant Stevens segment from Season 2 Episode 1, at around 8:15 there's transverse tape damage, which happened regularly with old 1" analog videotape. This same shot is re-used in the Farina version (Season 5 Episode 1, 14:30), without the artifact. So they either had a different source when they were assembling the Farina episodes, or they were using the same master tape and it got damaged in the process ten years ago. I remember seeing a few other mild to moderate tape artifacts in the first and second seasons on Amazon. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the tapes were in pretty bad shape, and that's responsible for a few segments being dropped, because the budget for the streaming launch isn't big enough to restore them. It's kind of a shame, really. Assuming the original 16mm camera negatives still exist, you could run them through a modern film scanner and it would potentially look really nice.

I see. Probably nothing more than a boring distribution issue. If so, that's got to be a TON of people to contact, which sounds like a giant headache. And the majority of these people probably don't have the same contact information they had 26 years ago.

And that's why copyright law is boring.

People keep theorizing that in regards to many cases and I don't get it. After 17 years of reruns on Lifetime and another several years on and off on YouTube, why would these families all of the sudden decide NOW to contact Amazon Prime to specifically say that they don't want their case featured?

If I had to guess, I highly doubt the majority of these families even know that their cases are now available on Prime. Heck, I never even heard of Amazon Prime until the UM cases started streaming there and this place went bonkers.

Laura Burbank's parents were getting up there in years at the time of the segment so I highly doubt either of them are still alive today. Her sister (if she was close to Laura's age) would be in her early 60's.

David Harry Fisher is now 76 but like you, I can't find any more info on him.

I don't think this segment aired on the Farina version, so pulling it was not a recent decision (or at least had nothing to do with streaming on Amazon).

I would like to see it again, as it is the very first segment I ever remember watching back in '89. It's troubling knowing he may out, and worse, may have blended back in to society.

The Jeffrey MacDonald and Luis Diaz segments won't be on the Stack version. I asked why and they said that the MacDonald segment was part of "Final Appeal" which there are no plans to bring to streaming at the time and they said they do not know why the Diaz segment will not be available at the time

I think it would be impossible to have each family contacted for permission to stream the show.

I would assume that all rights were signed away in the 1980s and 1990s, at the fist airing run. Many people interviewed in the show have now passed, and some have remarried with new surnames and locations. Additionally, some are even more difficult to find (Thinking of previous threads where members were trying to locate certain people, with no avail, for example: Tim McClure).

When the big news broke out of the Stack episodes being released on Amazon Prime remastered, I knew there was going to be this catch of missing segments, deleted scenes, n changed music. While I understand the TV production beacraucy(copyright licenses from third parties have be cleared,contracts have to be renewed,royalties have to be paid). I understand if surviving victims/families of late victims that have put there tragedy/hardship behind them n do not like to relive it. But it just takes away from the charm of UM. Any UM fanatic lucky enough to of have recorded episodes on DVR during the original run or Lifetime
syndication?
I am just becoming aware of segments/episodes that were aired only one pretty much and then taken off either at the request of the victims/familes or cause copyright/royalties issues. Like the case of Janet O'Reagan. The Virginia Masden segments where also not aired on the LifeTime syndication and will probably be voiced over on the Amazon Prime revamp.
Once again the UM community is forced underground to make bootleg DVDS, fake YouTube channels, and having segments/episodes floating all over the internet

Seal lions: Bruno and Bobo (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Bruno_and_Bobo) what about this? I don't remember seeing this on Amazon.

How much thought did they put into this? As good as the 12 'seasons' are there are so many classic cases missing, so many worthless segments included, the seasons especially as we move on bear little resemblance to the actual season air dates-there is a 1997 segment stuck in on the final or penultimate season as the worst example & the most annoying thing is the repeat of updates throughout-after the segment is shown then just show the update, why do you then need to show it again in other episodes? I think there is certainly scope for additional 'seasons' if they have made money off of these.

How much thought did they put into this? As good as the 12 'seasons' are there are so many classic cases missing, so many worthless segments included, the seasons especially as we move on bear little resemblance to the actual season air dates-there is a 1997 segment stuck in on the final or penultimate season as the worst example & the most annoying thing is the repeat of updates throughout-after the segment is shown then just show the update, why do you then need to show it again in other episodes? I think there is certainly scope for additional 'seasons' if they have made money off of these.

I agree, it was too bad edited. Most of the removed segments were the best of this Show and too many Lost Loves segments were in their replacements.
There are some problems in some episodes too that were updated with video in the original aired episodes but here sometimes is a graph without a video of the reunion or event.

There is another Unsolved Mysteries segment removed here (I don't know why) from "Lost Heirs":
Heirs of Charlie Scheel (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Heirs_of_Charlie_Scheel), it was updated and solved but for unknown reasons was not included in Prime. This was from the Special #5 hosted by Stack. All the other segments of this episode were included in Prime.
Robert Weeks (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Robert_Weeks) and Roger Wheeler (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Roger_Wheeler) too, they were featured in Special #7.

Another missing case was the one with the little boy named Dmitri (I think that was his name). He was the kid who had gone missing after playing with some neighborhood kids. His body was later found in the trunk of his mother's car. The mother I think later ended up being accused of killing him because investigators made the notation of how "clean" the body was, as if someone had given him a bath either before or after he died???

Another missing case was the one with the little boy named Dmitri (I think that was his name). He was the kid who had gone missing after playing with some neighborhood kids. His body was later found in the trunk of his mother's car. The mother I think later ended up being accused of killing him because investigators made the notation of how "clean" the body was, as if someone had given him a bath either before or after he died???

You probably were talking about:
Dimitric Moore (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Dimitric_Moore). Never heard about this case but it was as you said.

Louis Bourgeuois and Jean Marie Gagnon (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Jean_Marie_Gagnon): This case was incredibly removed from the Alcatraz special episode. This one was not include in Prime without reasons. These guys were apprehended later and have since been released from prison.

Jeffrey MacDonald (https://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Jeffrey_MacDonald)

Gary Simmons (https://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Gary_Simmons)

Doyle Wheeler (https://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Doyle_Wheeler): Aired 11-8-89, season 2. This case was never re-aired, allegedly because Donovan Jacobs sued Unsolved Mysteries over his portrayal in the segment.

The Unabomber segment to my knowledge only aired once, possibly '89 or '90. The reenactment portions of that segment was reused for the Zodiac case.

Gary Simmons (https://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Gary_Simmons)

Gary Simmons was included on Prime. It's on season 4.

It appears that the Allagash abduction segment is missing from the Stack episodes.

It appears that the Allagash abduction segment is missing from the Stack episodes.

This is incorrect. It's Film Rise Season 7, Episode 21.

This is incorrect. It's Film Rise Season 7, Episode 21.
Thank you for the clarification. I completely missed it.

I see your point, but I'd argue it's more likely that Kevin and Bean didn't want this air anymore as it draws attention to a despicable prank they committed a long time ago. It's to their benefit that it is no longer available.

Dont quote me on it but I believe they are forbidden from discussing it because of a lawsuit.

The parental abduction case of Ann Kibalo(still missing 2019). And the Mishawaka Rapist case are missing.

Is the 49R Hugs episode on these? Because I don't remember finding it.

Is the 49R Hugs episode on these? Because I don't remember finding it.

It's there. Season 6, Episode 16 :)

It's there. Season 6, Episode 16 :)

Thanks! :)

I posted this in the stickied thread, but I believe Laurie Cabot and Frank Acs are missing from Prime.