First off, if you haven't watched these original episodes, you may want to avoid this thread, due to any possible spoilers.

Secondly, I know many of these cases have been previously analyzed and discussed in other threads. However, I thought it may be useful to start a thread specifically dealing with the original Season 1 Robert Stack episodes.

I know they have tried to update many of these segments, prior to their release on Amazon. However, they obviously weren't able to update everything. Furthermore, some of these segments may be incomplete or missing what some may consider relevant or interesting information.

Maybe the original participants have passed away or been released and you want to share the information or website URLs.

While I am assuming these Season 1 episodes are in order of their original air dates, I think it would be a good idea to list the # of the episode that your update pertains to, based on the Amazon episode listing.

Of course, some may view this thread as unnecessary, but uninteresting threads die soon enough, so we'll leave it to Natural Selection...LOL

So far, I've made it through 3 episodes.

My Update, and inspiration for this thread, pertains to:

EPISODE 3
DOREEN PICARD AND SUSAN LAFERTE

The update at the end of the episode says that Raymond Tempest was convicted and later released. This is true. However, he was released because his conviction was overturned in 2015.

Obviously, he may very well still be guilty as the evidence, some related to DNA was not deemed strong enough to formally exonerate him. However, it's also feasible that he may have been wrongly convicted.

Whether or not you choose to take the evidence seriously is up to you, but I thought they provided interesting information that others may appreciate.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/13/man-murder-conviction-vacated-after-years/fbbdnVyj0rVKmI1N0WLdUJ/story.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5h09qn/the_1982_murder_of_doreen_picard_and_attempted/

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150318/NEWS/150319205

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=356405

Every segment that has an update has been labeled.

So far, I've made it through 3 episodes.

My Update, and inspiration for this thread, pertains to:

EPISODE 3
DOREEN PICARD AND SUSAN LAFERTE

The update at the end of the episode says that Raymond Tempest was convicted and later released. This is true. However, he was released because his conviction was overturned in 2015.

Obviously, he may very well still be guilty as the evidence, some related to DNA was not deemed strong enough to formally exonerate him. However, it's also feasible that he may have been wrongly convicted.

Whether or not you choose to take the evidence seriously is up to you, but I thought they provided interesting information that others may appreciate.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/13/man-murder-conviction-vacated-after-years/fbbdnVyj0rVKmI1N0WLdUJ/story.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/5h09qn/the_1982_murder_of_doreen_picard_and_attempted/

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150318/NEWS/150319205


Donald Dagesse was more likely the perp but he died in 2011, so he basically got away with it.

I've seen the lost Dutchman mine segment on the DVD a few times. The Amazon version has a bit about someone posing as the son of the prospector who was found dead on the trail. I liked that bit that was omitted from the DVD.

I've seen all the episodes. Can't wait for season 2

I like the idea of finally having them and I like the streaming idea but I feel like you can't keep them forever the way you can a physical copy....at least that's what I fear about this. But it does seem worth it, its as good as any.

I like the idea of finally having them and I like the streaming idea but I feel like you can't keep them forever the way you can a physical copy....at least that's what I fear about this. But it does seem worth it, its as good as any.
I feel the same way. Call me a fuddy duddy but I still like my physical media. I like to be able to actually touch my belongings.

Here is an odd bit...

I just watched the Kari Lynn Nixon segment. They included the update with New Kids on the Block, where people thought a girl in one of their videos could be Kari. As we now know, she was abducted, raped, and murdered so that turned out not to be her.

I found it curious they included that piece of the update since it obviously wasn't her. I'm not complaining (because I always love me some NKOTB :lol:) but based on the fact that the Gulf Breeze UFO segment wasn't included (since that was a fraud) I'm just surprised they included that update as part of the story.

Here is an odd bit...

I just watched the Kari Lynn Nixon segment. They included the update with New Kids on the Block, where people thought a girl in one of their videos could be Kari. As we now know, she was abducted, raped, and murdered so that turned out not to be her.

I found it curious they included that piece of the update since it obviously wasn't her. I'm not complaining (because I always love me some NKOTB :lol:) but based on the fact that the Gulf Breeze UFO segment wasn't included (since that was a fraud) I'm just surprised they included that update as part of the story.

I was also surprised to see the New Kids on the Block update, but not because it turned out to be a false lead, but because I figured Filmrise might not want to deal with music rights issues and fork over the royalties to show NKOTB concert footage :lol: .

Here is an odd bit...

I just watched the Kari Lynn Nixon segment. They included the update with New Kids on the Block, where people thought a girl in one of their videos could be Kari. As we now know, she was abducted, raped, and murdered so that turned out not to be her.

I found it curious they included that piece of the update since it obviously wasn't her. I'm not complaining (because I always love me some NKOTB :lol:) but based on the fact that the Gulf Breeze UFO segment wasn't included (since that was a fraud) I'm just surprised they included that update as part of the story.

They didn't include the update piece which solved the case in the mid 90's. Instead they just used the text update which I wasn't a fan of.

I was also surprised to see the New Kids on the Block update, but not because it turned out to be a false lead, but because I figured Filmrise might not want to deal with music rights issues and fork over the royalties to show NKOTB concert footage :lol: .

Ha! At this point in their careers, I think any press is good press for the New Kids. I agree that FilmRise probably wouldn't pay a dime for that.

FilmRise: "New Kids, can we use your concert footage?"
New Kids: "Sure. Will you pay us?"
FilmRise: "No-oh-oh-oh-oh, no-oh-oh-oh..."

Ha! At this point in their careers, I think any press is good press for the New Kids. I agree that FilmRise probably wouldn't pay a dime for that.

FilmRise: "New Kids, can we use your concert footage?"
New Kids: "Sure. Will you pay us?"
FilmRise: "No-oh-oh-oh-oh, no-oh-oh-oh..."

LOL!!!!

This wins the Internet. I'm done for the day. :)

But seriously, I think they probably included the NKOTB update for a few reasons. Love them or hate them, at the time Keri Lyn disappeared, NKOTB was one of the biggest bands on the planet. The fact that they were willing to appear on UM to plead for a runaway to come home is pretty awesome and a major score for the show and network. (Although don't get me wrong-- I was WAY more excited to see them interview Jon Bon Jovi and Henry Rollins in later years). I was *not* a big fan of the show as a youth if y'all remember, and I DO remember watching this update because I think they featured NKOTB in the weekly promo for the show. I'd be curious to see the ratings for that particular night. But like I said, love it or hate it, it's good TV.

Secondly, it really *was* a weird twist. Although it had nothing to do with what ultimately happened to Keri Lyn, it really was a coincidence to have a girl that really resembled her at a NKOTB concert...I could see them leaving that in simply for that reason alone.

Ha! At this point in their careers, I think any press is good press for the New Kids. I agree that FilmRise probably wouldn't pay a dime for that.

FilmRise: "New Kids, can we use your concert footage?"
New Kids: "Sure. Will you pay us?"
FilmRise: "No-oh-oh-oh-oh, no-oh-oh-oh..."

Not to go way off topic, but I used to have a crush on Candace Cameron and have enjoyed the Netflix revival 'Fuller House' in all its cheesiness.

There was an episodes during Season 2 that centered on New Kids.

It 's somewhat humorous, to me anyway, to see these guys in their late 40s/50s and to think that their fan base is now firmly in middle age territory.

But seriously, I think they probably included the NKOTB update for a few reasons. Love them or hate them, at the time Keri Lyn disappeared, NKOTB was one of the biggest bands on the planet. The fact that they were willing to appear on UM to plead for a runaway to come home is pretty awesome and a major score for the show and network. (Although don't get me wrong-- I was WAY more excited to see them interview Jon Bon Jovi and Henry Rollins in later years). I was *not* a big fan of the show as a youth if y'all remember, and I DO remember watching this update because I think they featured NKOTB in the weekly promo for the show. I'd be curious to see the ratings for that particular night. But like I said, love it or hate it, it's good TV.

The EXACT same thing happened with my cousin back in the day. She was terrified of UM and refused to watch it, but the moment she heard NKOTB were going to be on the show, you can bet she tuned in!

Are the updates, well...just that... Up to date? As in, is this the most current I formation regarding these cases? That little white text print at the end of the Amazon Video episodes. Can someone answer this for me please.

Are the updates, well...just that... Up to date? As in, is this the most current I formation regarding these cases? That little white text print at the end of the Amazon Video episodes. Can someone answer this for me please.

Yes, the white text updates are new and current.

Here is an odd bit...

I just watched the Kari Lynn Nixon segment. They included the update with New Kids on the Block, where people thought a girl in one of their videos could be Kari. As we now know, she was abducted, raped, and murdered so that turned out not to be her.

I found it curious they included that piece of the update since it obviously wasn't her. I'm not complaining (because I always love me some NKOTB :lol:) but based on the fact that the Gulf Breeze UFO segment wasn't included (since that was a fraud) I'm just surprised they included that update as part of the story.
I've been binge watching the episodes on Amazon and I saw this case today for the first time. The thing that I found as odd was the South Carolina connection. Police get a random letter from Michigan saying that she was in South Carolina and that lady down there remembered meeting the girl who identified herself as Kari Lynn and the girl saying that she was from New York. As it turns out she was killed and buried only miles from her house, so she was never in South Carolina at all obviously. Were those people lying? That seemed like an odd twist in the case that really had no substance

I've been binge watching the episodes on Amazon and I saw this case today for the first time. The thing that I found as odd was the South Carolina connection. Police get a random letter from Michigan saying that she was in South Carolina and that lady down there remembered meeting the girl who identified herself as Kari Lynn and the girl saying that she was from New York. As it turns out she was killed and buried only miles from her house, so she was never in South Carolina at all obviously. Were those people lying? That seemed like an odd twist in the case that really had no substance

You have to view the segments within the context that existed back when they were originally broadcast. At the time, there was legitimate speculation that Nixon may have been a teenage runaway, a phenomena that our own RobinW details quite a bit regarding other cases on his podcast. You see back in the nineteen eighties, before the days of Amber Alerts and things of that nature, authorities oftentimes classified disappearances of adolescents under the broad designation of "teenage runaway". A good example of such a phenomena would've been the disappearance of Susan Jacobson which UM covered in 1988. Jacobson disappeared in 1976 and her family were allegedly told by the authorities that Jacobson "had a boyfriend, ran away and there wasn't the manpower available to search for teenage girls that ran away". This believe it or not was apparently a common disposition held of these cases during this era.

Anyhow back to Nixon, to the credit of the Au Sable Forks authorities there seemed to be a legitimate amount of interest in the Nixon case right from the start although as indicated in the segment, there seemed to be some internal disagreement as to whether Nixon was a runaway or was the victim of a kidnapping. So when the writer from Flint, Michigan informed the authorities that Nixon was in the South Carolina area, that lead was naturally followed up on. You also have to remember that the world was comparatively a much larger field of play at the time Nixon vanished without the technology various precincts have available to them now in order to hunt down leads, so this particular lead probably seemed as good as any back then.

To your question: I believe the writer in Flint, Michigan was a hoaxer. The fact that they also authored letters to UM regarding the Nixon case, leads me to believe the writer was a fame seeker of some sort looking to gain some type of strange notoriety by becoming enveloped in the case. The South Carolina resident (Shirley Kannapel) who believed that she had met Nixon, unfortunately was one of many well intentioned individuals profiled by UM who proved to be an unreliable witness. It's possible that she herself may have been a victim of a scam perpetrated by two teenagers who lead her to believe that one of them was Nixon. In fact the segment mentions that authorities were able to track down one of the girls involved in the Kannapel encounter, but the girl claimed she suffered from a memory lapse and could not recall the encounter, which I personally never bought.

Either way though back in the eighties, it was extremely plausible that Nixon was a runaway and I would say the worm would've even have tended to bend towards this theory once the NKOTB sighting was reported. Of course now we know differently but that is only with the benefit of hindsight.

The South Carolina resident (Shirley Kannapel) who believed that she had met Nixon, unfortunately was one of many well intentioned individuals profiled by UM who proved to be an unreliable witness.

See also: The truck driver from the Gail Delano segment who gave her a ride after she was already dead, and the many people who saw the Honda Civic with "LIL MISS" plates driving after Lisa Marie Kimmel was already abducted and murdered.

DarkDante hits it right on the head. Eye-witness testimony is horribly unreliable. Yes, there are cases where it has helped and it has been accurate, but on the whole people often don't remember accurately. I believe most of these people are well intended and telling the truth as they believe it to be, but their memories just aren't accurate.

You have to view the segments within the context that existed back when they were originally broadcast. At the time, there was legitimate speculation that Nixon may have been a teenage runaway, a phenomena that our own RobinW details quite a bit regarding other cases on his podcast. You see back in the nineteen eighties, before the days of Amber Alerts and things of that nature, authorities oftentimes classified disappearances of adolescents under the broad designation of "teenage runaway". A good example of such a phenomena would've been the disappearance of Susan Jacobson which UM covered in 1988. Jacobson disappeared in 1976 and her family were allegedly told by the authorities that Jacobson "had a boyfriend, ran away and there wasn't the manpower available to search for teenage girls that ran away". This believe it or not was apparently a common disposition held of these cases during this era.

Anyhow back to Nixon, to the credit of the Au Sable Forks authorities there seemed to be a legitimate amount of interest in the Nixon case right from the start although as indicated in the segment, there seemed to be some internal disagreement as to whether Nixon was a runaway or was the victim of a kidnapping. So when the writer from Flint, Michigan informed the authorities that Nixon was in the South Carolina area, that lead was naturally followed up on. You also have to remember that the world was comparatively a much larger field of play at the time Nixon vanished without the technology various precincts have available to them now in order to hunt down leads, so this particular lead probably seemed as good as any back then.

To your question: I believe the writer in Flint, Michigan was a hoaxer. The fact that they also authored letters to UM regarding the Nixon case, leads me to believe the writer was a fame seeker of some sort looking to gain some type of strange notoriety by becoming enveloped in the case. The South Carolina resident (Shirley Kannapel) who believed that she had met Nixon, unfortunately was one of many well intentioned individuals profiled by UM who proved to be an unreliable witness. It's possible that she herself may have been a victim of a scam perpetrated by two teenagers who lead her to believe that one of them was Nixon. In fact the segment mentions that authorities were able to track down one of the girls involved in the Kannapel encounter, but the girl claimed she suffered from a memory lapse and could not recall the encounter, which I personally never bought.

Either way though back in the eighties, it was extremely plausible that Nixon was a runaway and I would say the worm would've even have tended to bend towards this theory once the NKOTB sighting was reported. Of course now we know differently but that is only with the benefit of hindsight.
I'm with you. I guess what's strangest about it was the letter came from Flint, MI saying that she was in Eutawville, SC. And that is where Shirley Kannapel says she saw Kari and another unidentified girl. That's either the biggest coincidence in the world or it was an elaborate prank and the sender of the letter somehow had something to do with the girls that Shirley met. That would seem to be an unusually elaborate prank though.

Unless the prank letter from Flint led to two the girls in Eutawville posing as Kari and her friend as a separate prank altogether. Either way that was an odd twist in the case given the outcome that we know happened