I even heard that there was some kind of petition to prevent The Monkees from being inducted. (I hear that there is a petition to have David Cassidy inducted, but I have heard that David Cassidy himself thinks it is not ever going to happen).

But, how can rap artists be inducted but not The Monkees (or David Cassidy)?
There are other performers who got inducted who sang "pop tunes."
It cannot strictly be because The Monkees were "Just teen idols."
The Monkees may have started as a "phony band" on TV but in reality they were able to play their own instruments and sing on their own records.



https://www.yahoo.com/music/20-artists-missing-from-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-105378688156.html

https://www.yahoo.com/music/n-w-joins-rock-hall-4-rockers-1970s-200413729.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWKdQIiU90

https://www.yahoo.com/music/steve-miller-induction-slams-rock-hall-fame-173600752.html

The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is a joke, I pay no attention to it. They induct people who don't deserve to be inducted, and people who deserve to be inducted get ignored.

As far as The Monkees go, they have a few good songs but I've never really been a fan of them. They probably should be inducted in the Hall of Fame for that 1966-68 period when they were most popular.

David Cassidy should probably be inducted too, for his work with the Partridge Family and his solo albums for RCA after the Partridge Family ended.

Another person who should be inducted is Suzi Quatro, the first lady of rock. She is amazing, I always laugh when I see old videos from the 70's with petite looking Suzi and that big bass guitar she played. :lol: Her earlier albums overall aren't very good, but she had some good albums in the late 70's/early 80's, "If You Knew Suzi", "Four Letter Words", "Rock Hard", those are the ones she should be inducted for.

Another person who should be inducted is Suzi Quatro, the first lady of rock

I'm always interested in sentences that have never been said before. I think I found another one.

I'm always interested in sentences that have never been said before. I think I found another one.

You better not be dissin' Leather Tuscadero.

The video link below is all I need to see to convince me that Suzi Q. belongs in the R & R Hall of Fame: :eyes: :D :lol:

The musicians in the video are:

Suzi Quatro- Bass Guitar
Len Tuckey and Jamie Crompton- Guitars
Mike Deacon- Keyboards
Dave Neal- Badass Drummer :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesYolX-iCU

Granted Do the Fonzie is just below Stairway to Heaven in the hierarchy of music, but still, Hall of Fame?

There's a lot more to Suzi Quatro than her brief stint on Happy Days, I think she was in 7 episodes total?

Here's another You Tube share, Suzi and band performing "Don't Change My Luck", one of the great tunes from her album "If You Knew Suzi".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAV3R58fDTY

The only song of hers I can honestly claim to remember is her hit single Stumblin' In.

I don't think NWA should have been inducted. Not because of being rap but because it sets a dangerous trend. Their music was misogynist and hateful.

Having said that, I would like to see the Monkees inducted. Sure they started out as a TV band but in actuality two of the members were accomplished musicians and a third was also a musician to some extent. The fourth (Davy Jones)was more of an actor (Dolenz was too but he was also musically inclined) but also a singer. However, even from the first album there were songs written by members or played by Nesmith or Tork. The third album was them playing instruments. Now to those who say they didn't start playing instruments let's look at some of the acts in the HOF who NEVER played instruments like the Motown acts. They belong there, right? then why not the Monkees? Let's also not forget the Monkees led to MTV. I don't think a strong enough case can be said for David Cassidy. I like the Partridge Family but I just don't see that being a possibility.

I'm not a huge fan but someone put me in a Facebook page about getting the Moody Blues inducted. I believe they belong there. I would also include Joy Division/ (led to New Order and eventual alternative popularity), The Cure, Depeche Mode and Duran Duran (without them there would be no British New Wave that evolved into being called alternative), many other progressive bands like Yes and Jethro Tull (their songs are still played). Let's not forget the heavy metal giants like Motorhead (RIP Lemmy), Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Even to some extent Weird Al because he is still popular and is called the parodist of rock and roll. Many more could be named. The fact is genres like heavy metal, progressive and alternative are neglected but they let in rap that calls women names? I like Guns & Roses but didn't feel they belonged in the hall of fame. Early influences like the Carter Family also because Maybelle Carter developed a guitar style still common for country and rock. And how about the folk type rock of the early 70's by artists like Carly Simon, Carole King (she's in as a songwriter already), Jim Croce and Harry Chapin. Chapin started a humanitarian organization no less. But instead of a guy who spent most of his money on helping the poor they induct a group calling women b's and h's.

The only song of hers I can honestly claim to remember is her hit single Stumblin' In.

Stumblin' In is the song Suzi recorded with Chris Norman from Smokie. It's a good song, I like it, but there are other songs from Suzi from this same time period (late 70's-early 80's) that are better and deserved to be big hits, but unfortunately they weren't. For example, "Hard Headed" is one of Suzi's best tunes, a scorching rocker that should have been a hit but wasn't. Here it is from You Tube, check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZqy6OPTtG0

Another group that I think is Hall of Fame worthy is Starz, 1970's east coast hard rockers from New York/New Jersey. Starz wrote and performed several killer tunes, one of which is the ZZ Top inspired party time anthem "Texas".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFBolDGRPs

They don't induct bands no one has ever heard of, unless they have had a major influence.

How about inducting the Mosquitoes? They were Gilligan's favorite group! LOL!


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There's a lot more to Suzi Quatro than her brief stint on Happy Days, I think she was in 7 episodes total?

Here's another You Tube share, Suzi and band performing "Don't Change My Luck", one of the great tunes from her album "If You Knew Suzi".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAV3R58fDTY

One of my favorite songs by her was "Rock Hard"! :rock:

Why the heck IS rap inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame?? :mad:

They don't induct bands no one has ever heard of, unless they have had a major influence.

In my experience I've discovered that the best bands are often the ones most people haven't heard of. :lol:

One of my favorite songs by her was "Rock Hard"! :rock:

Yep that's a good tune too. Suzi rocks!

Why the heck IS rap inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame?? :mad:

Because like most things in America, the Hall is corrupt.

In my experience I've discovered that the best bands are often the ones most people haven't heard of. :lol:

That might be true but that doesn't mean they will be inducted. People aren't going to the HOF to see bands no one has heard of.

That might be true but that doesn't mean they will be inducted. People aren't going to the HOF to see bands no one has heard of.

The Hall shouldn't be a total popularity contest. Bands should also be inducted for the quality of their work, not just for how well known they are. In my opinion some of the best known groups are highly overrated.

That might also be true but they don't induct based on just talent. It's influence and popularity. If a band isn't well known and doesn't have a lot of impact they won't be inducted. If it got to that point where nobody bands were inducted no one would go.

That might also be true but they don't induct based on just talent. It's influence and popularity. If a band isn't well known and doesn't have a lot of impact they won't be inducted. If it got to that point where nobody bands were inducted no one would go.

Many of the popular bands have already been inducted, so I don't think the Hall would lose attendance if they would induct some of these lesser known bands whose body of work is just as good if not better than the popular bands. But yea I know, it doesn't work that way.

There's at least some written criteria for inclusion. Here's what's at their website:



>>>Performers


Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation's nominating committee selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of more than 600 artists, historians and members of the music industry. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Beginning in 2012, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame opened Nominee voting to fans around the world. The Top Five Nominees as voted by the fans count for one ballot entry, which is weighted the same as individual ballot entries submitted by members of the international voting body.<<<

Many of the popular bands have already been inducted, so I don't think the Hall would lose attendance if they would induct some of these lesser known bands whose body of work is just as good if not better than the popular bands. But yea I know, it doesn't work that way.

Actually there are many well known acts not in the hall and I listed a few.

Now since when is Rap music lumped in with Rock 'n' Roll?

Actually there are many well known acts not in the hall and I listed a few.

Yep I saw the names of the groups you mentioned. Fast Eddie Clarke from Motorhead went on to form Fastway. I have Fastway's first three studio albums, the second one is the best and most consistent, but the first and third one contain some good songs also. Then Fastway did the soundtrack album for the movie Trick Or Treat, the album isn't very good and the movie sucked too :lol:. After the Trick Or Treat disaster, I stopped following Fastway.

The lead singer Dave King eventually left the group, but Fastway continued on and picked up a new singer, released a couple more albums that were not well received. Fastway's most recent new album was in 2011, I sampled the songs on the internet and wasn't impressed, the album cover art is ugly and looks like it was drawn by an 8 year old, the album also has a dumb title, "Eat Dog Eat" :rolleyes:. Say no more, avoid. :lol:

The Way outs from the Flintstones should be inducted too!

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The Way outs from the Flintstones should be inducted too!

Sure why not, they've already inducted people that didn't deserve induction, so inducting a fake group from a TV show cartoon would fit right in.

The Way outs from the Flintstones should be inducted too!

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Not until the Archies! True story but I once posted on a now defunct message board and someone created a fake petition to induct the Archies in the Hall of Fame. It was hysterical. I wish I could find it, I would share it.

Not until the Archies! True story but I once posted on a now defunct message board and someone created a fake petition to induct the Archies in the Hall of Fame. It was hysterical. I wish I could find it, I would share it.


Well, actually The Archies were really a group! They had that #1 hit single "Sugar, Sugar"! I loved that. My older sister had the 45 record , we used to play it all the time and sing along ! Fun times!! :)

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Archies= Studio group, studio musicians. Lead singer Ron Dante. Andy Kim was part of the group too. Five albums of chewy gooey bubblegum pop, for those who like that sort of thing. For me, a little of it goes a long way. They never came close to equaling the smash single Sugar Sugar, Jingle Jangle came the closest.

To retro- I went thru your Suzi YouTube links. Quick opinions:

Evie- didn't like
Don't change my luck- was better
Hard Headed- also better

At least it washes away Do the Fonzie. Has she ever expressed any regret over taking that part?

To retro- I went thru your Suzi YouTube links. Quick opinions:

Evie- didn't like
Don't change my luck- was better
Hard Headed- also better

At least it washes away Do the Fonzie. Has she ever expressed any regret over taking that part?

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. I'm glad you like 2 of the 3 songs.

Evie isn't a favorite song of mine either, but I like how Suzi and her band play it in the video, lots of energy! :D Evie isn't Suzi's song originally, she covered it, the original is by Stevie Wright, but I like Suzi's version better.

I don't know if Suzi regretted taking the Happy Days part, at the time she probably thought it would boost her music career, but it had the opposite effect. That's usually what happens with musicians when they accept roles on TV shows, it doesn't do their music career any real favors. She actually ended up being more popular outside of her native America. She did have that one big hit with "Stumblin' In". Another good song of hers titled "She's In Love With You" just missed the top 40 on Billboard, peaking at #41. Here's a video for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLXOlQu0LkM

If I have the story correct, one of the Happy Days producers wanted Suzi for the role of Leather Tuscadero after seeing a poster of Suzi on the wall of his daughter's bedroom. The rest is history. :lol:

I ask...why not Francis Albert Sinatra?

Frank Sinatra deserves to be in the Early Influence and Non-Performing category because he was the one that brought-in the rock and roll life before rock and roll (he never cared for the genre...maybe that's why he's STILL not in) and he also founded Reprise Records that gave many artists free-will!

I thought when his 100th Birthday came...he could've had a nod, but...NO!

^ There should be a category for the best nightclub/lounge singers. Guys like Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Dean Martin, Perry Como, Bobby Darin fit in that category.

Bobby Darin is in as an artist because he was a Rock and Roller (Splish Splash for example). There is an early influence category.

^ So Bobby Darin is in, OK that's good I think he deserves to be in the Hall. Darin did start out as a rock n roller (Splish Splash) but soon after he started recording nightclub/lounge type stuff like Mack The Knife and Beyond The Sea.

In my experience I've discovered that the best bands are often the ones most people haven't heard of. :lol:


Could be something psychological there. Sometimes very famous bands (individual singers too), eventually at least, have you wondering why they are so renouned when their material seems less than the hype. You expect more from those who are on top
With unknown bands you wonder (like a sentence in Bily Joel's song Piano Man) "What are you doing here? " meaning you may sometimes even see street -musicians playing for small change or a musician/singer performing in a cheap bar and grill and you can see that there is as much or more talent than a lot of people who made it big in show business.
Of course a lot of famous bands have had their music technologically enhanced. This has been happening for decades.

With me it has even had a "reverse opposite" effect. There have been times when I have been surprised at how good a certain famous singer/musician is because I had come to think that s/he was just a cheap sensation.
I'm not a fan of Beyonce and I think she over does the sensuality in her acts, but a few years back she really performed excellently during suber bowl half time. Also I recently heard that Marian Carey is in the Guiness Book of World Records for having the greatest voice range and can hit an unusually high note (or that is what I understand)

The RnR HOF.... all it is is a personal monument to Jann Wenner's already supersized ego.

Steve Miller was 100% right in calling them out.

Nick Jonas is going to be honored by the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
I don't know much about Nick Jonas except that he is or was a member of a group called the Jonas Brothers. I think that they were fairly well known a few years back and and they essentially have faded.
However I never heard of the Songwriters Hall of Fame and wonder if it has anything to do with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and if it is has the same "authority" to decide who is a good songwriter and who qualifies for induction or "recognition."'
Someone who posted here says that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just a joke. Maybe. But then it makes me think about other Halls of Fame such as the Baseball Hall of Fame and any other Halls of Fame.
Are they a joke too? What criteria do they use to induct people? Popularity?
Contribution to the culture of music / songwriting/baseball / whatever?

http://www.people.com/article/nick-jonas-to-receive-songwriters-hall-of-fame-hal-david-starlight-award?xid=rss-topheadlines

Another group that I think is Hall of Fame worthy is Starz, 1970's east coast hard rockers from New York/New Jersey. Starz wrote and performed several killer tunes, one of which is the ZZ Top inspired party time anthem "Texas".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFBolDGRPs
STARZ WERE AWESOME!!!!! I had their album, "Violation" in 1977. It had a number of great songs like "Cherry Baby" and "Rock Six Times".

STARZ WERE AWESOME!!!!! I had their album, "Violation" in 1977. It had a number of great songs like "Cherry Baby" and "Rock Six Times".

Thanks for the thumbs up for Starz, they were awesome indeed. Only four studio albums, but all four are excellent. As far as I know, Starz is still occasionally active as a group, performing shows in their native New Jersey area. Of the five original band members, I believe three are still with the group, guitarist Richie Ranno, drummer Joe Dube, and singer Michael Lee Smith. Induct 'em in the hall, they deserve it! :D

And how about Blue Oyster Cult? They're another band that deserves to be in the hall. Long career, several good albums. Their first three albums are classics, that right there is reason enough to induct them in the hall.

Not to sound disrespectful or anything, but I am a bit surprised about the attention being given to Prince.
Here in NYC the Hard Rock cafe has their giant LED display in purple with words from one of his hit songs and at the giant screen on top of a tall prominent building overlooking Columbus Circle the screen is purple too with Prince's "un-pronounceable symbol" and his date of birth and death "1958-2016"

I don't think I have seen this done for any other celebrity death, even John Lennon , (but then again, in the 1980s there weren't the computerized screens on buildings that exist today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_ticker ).

I heard that Prince ws inducted in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I liked a few of his songs. I found out he was more talented in playing a guitar and other instruments than I even knew, but in spite of that ,overall he seemed to be another version of Little Richard with some Jimi Hendrix thrown in.
I was not too keen on his style. I don't know how he was a "pioneer" in that respect if that is a criteria for being inducted . He was another "flamboyant gender-bending" performer just like David Bowie, Alice Cooper and Elton John.

^ I like your assessment of Prince, a mix of Little Richard and Jimi Hendrix. Very accurate! It's sad and unfortunate that he passed away, but aside from a few songs Prince's music doesn't appeal to me.

I've never really been a fan of the famous, big name musicians/bands, I think most of them are overrated. One big name musician who I think deserves his fame is Elton John. He keeps coming up with good songs and he's been doing it for over 40 years, amazing talent.

^ I like your assessment of Prince, a mix of Little Richard and Jimi Hendrix. Very accurate! It's sad and unfortunate that he passed away, but aside from a few songs Prince's music doesn't appeal to me.

I've never really been a fan of the famous, big name musicians/bands, I think most of them are overrated. One big name musician who I think deserves his fame is Elton John. He keeps coming up with good songs and he's been doing it for over 40 years, amazing talent.

I have been a longtime fan of Elton John, but I have not heard anything about him music-wise for many years. His best-known music was done during his heyday which was in the mid to late 70s.
I recall last hearing about something "new" he did (as far as a song) when I was in the military in 1996. It was called "You'll Be Blessed." I liked it even though it was a bit too abstract to know the meaning. Of course he did something really "public" when he sang at Princess Diana's funeral in 1997,but otherwise it seems to me that he mostly has retired from the stage performances and putting out records ,but then he is nearing 70 .

Bruce Springsteen is still performing (and in large arenas such as Madison Square Garden) and putting out records.

I have seen many talented "no-big-name bands," and it is true that a lot of the bands or singers or groups that made it big are overrated, the thing is that within the well-known or famous names, are singers, bands and performers who are very under-rated. I think that The Monkees were highly underrated. There are a few who ended up like them. Peter Frampton reportedly was not marketed the right way and it took years for him to get the right recognition . I think he too was sold to a "Teenage" crowd. I once read an article in which some music critic said that he thinks that the Beatles were overrated and that the Monkees were underrated.

I don't listen much to music any more than I watch TV. I am a person of the 60s and 70s. , but I guess for me, there is something about bands and singers and performers who are of the famous names: Somehow they have a story about their struggle to make it that goes along with their music.

^ Elton John is still active as a musician and recently released a new album/CD titled Wonderful Crazy Night. It's pretty good and has several catchy songs. His 2004 album/CD titled Peachtree Road is pretty good too.

^ Elton John is still active as a musician and recently released a new album/CD titled Wonderful Crazy Night. It's pretty good and has several catchy songs. His 2004 album/CD titled Peachtree Road is pretty good too.

I was not aware of it.
Cool.
Are any of his newer songs played on the radio anymore?
I never bought records (except once, and it was an Elton John record), I just listen to what is played on radio stations, and I don't listen to the music stations much anymore. They seem to have mostly Rap and Hip Hop.

How about the other older artists such as Eric Clapton, Randy Newman, James Taylor, Don McLean Joan Baez, Carole King, Carly Simon.

How about the older bands such as Chicago, Boston and Kansas?
I liked some songs from those groups.
Maybe they all disbanded. I have not heard anything from or about them.

There was a song in the early 70s called "Conquistador" by Pocol Harum. I really loved that song.I don't think I have heard any other songs from Pocol Harum again.

I would like to say that I think that Jim Croche was a great songwriter and he died so early in his career that there are only a few songs from him.

I am sort-of taking the issue a bit away from what I originally started, but
how about songs you disliked not necessarily because they were awful, (some obvious examples are Blue Swede's version of "Hooked On A Feeling,"
Frankie J's "More Than Words" but it is my opinion that those songs are awful) but because they gave you a bad feeling?

"The Year 2525" by Zager and Evans was a song that was Apocalyptic. Sometimes when a radio DJ was about to play the song or finished playing the song he (back in the 70s I only heard male radio DJs ) would say that the song really hits hard. Of course not just the words, but the music that goes along with it just presents such a dismal fate of humankind.
Yet I thought it was more political than meets the eye.

Anyone have other thoughts and comments about these issues of music?

I was not aware of it.
Cool.
Are any of his newer songs played on the radio anymore?
I never bought records (except once, and it was an Elton John record), I just listen to what is played on radio stations, and I don't listen to the music stations much anymore. They seem to have mostly Rap and Hip Hop.

How about the other older artists such as Eric Clapton, Randy Newman, James Taylor, Don McLean Joan Baez, Carole King, Carly Simon.

How about the older bands such as Chicago, Boston and Kansas?
I liked some songs from those groups.
Maybe they all disbanded. I have not heard anything from or about them.

I would like to say that I think that Jim Croche was a great songwriter and he died so early in his career that there are only a few songs from him.

Elton John's latest hit "Looking Up" has received some attention.

Randy Newman I'm not a fan of. The other artists you mentioned, Clapton, etc., I like a song or two but again I'm not a fan.

Chicago was a good band until 1976. Then their music began to change, and in my opinion not for the better.

Boston's first two albums are great, after that the group fell apart. Original lead singer Brad Delp passed away a few years ago.

Kansas had that one great album "Leftoverture", with the superb radio hit "Carry On Wayward Son". After that they more or less faded away, nothing else they've done appeals to me.

Jim Croce tragically passed away just as his music career was starting to rise, he had talent and we'll never know what might have been. :(

I am sort-of taking the issue a bit away from what I originally started, but
how about songs you disliked not necessarily because they were awful, (some obvious examples are Blue Swede's version of "Hooked On A Feeling"

Blue Swede- Hooked On A Feeling. I like that song, I think their version is the best. OOOGACHAKA! OOOGACHAKA! OOOGA! OOOGA! OOOGACHAKA! 70's cheese at it's finest. :lol: I was in 7th grade when that song came out, it was late winter/early spring 1974, brings back memories. It got heavy airplay on the radio during that time. Blue Swede's version is similar to Jonathan King's version from a few years before.