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FrostyShine
01-19-2016, 09:43 PM
Guilty or innocent?

Vahan
01-20-2016, 12:50 AM
99% of people say he is guilty. There should not be a debate on this.

Kane
01-20-2016, 10:05 AM
Guilty. The way I see it, the late Vincent Bugliosi's 1996 book Outrage: The Five Reasons Why OJ Simpson Got Away With Murder dispels all doubt about it.

FrostyShine
01-20-2016, 11:04 AM
I agree. I remember watching the verdict live in 1995.

I was shocked.

The man did it. His ex-wife publicly rejected him at a school event for their kids and his girlfriend broke up with him the next morning, which was the day of the murders.

He was guilty.

A mountain of forensic evidence pointed to only one person from the crime scene to the bronco and to his bedroom: it all tied OJ to the crime.

FrostyShine
01-26-2016, 04:33 PM
There are two alternative theories:

Columbian drug dealers through Faye Resnick

and Jason Simpson, OJ's son from his first marriage.

Neither convinces me.

Bonniegirl
01-26-2016, 05:04 PM
Also there was a theory that it could have been serial killer Glen Rogers who did it! You can google him and read about it!

FrostyShine
01-27-2016, 12:28 PM
Yeah, no strong evidence though. I do not believe it was that man.

The mountain of forensic evidence tied OJ to the crime scene, the victims to his car and bedroom, and many other things.

Size 12 Bruno Magli shoes.

The killer bleeding from the left side.

OJ's blood and hair found at the crime scene in gloves and a cap belonging to him.

OJ buying a knife that matched the wounds six weeks earlier.

OJ is guilty!

LooksLikeCRicci
01-27-2016, 12:58 PM
I can't verify any of this, but I've been told there was a mountain of DNA evidence that tied Nicole and Ron both to the Bronco. As in, their blood was in the Bronco.

Urban legend has it that Judge Ito refused to let the DNA evidence in because he didn't understand it. If that's actually true, then there's no question in my mind that O.J. is guilty.

I'm looking forward to Ryan Murphy's take on the subject matter. Perhaps this question will be answered. :)

FrostyShine
01-27-2016, 03:26 PM
One element of this crime that I feel everyone overlooked was that OJ was a serial abuser.

Nicole was a battered wife/ex-wife.

No one paid attention to this. Who cares if he was a big celebrity, there was a clear pattern of abuse and control.

I believe he flipped because he ended up being rejected by his ex-wife and then girlfriend, while Nicole was free to date around as she pleased. This made him feel powerless and he went in to take control of her.

Kane
02-01-2016, 10:04 AM
I can't verify any of this, but I've been told there was a mountain of DNA evidence that tied Nicole and Ron both to the Bronco. As in, their blood was in the Bronco.

Urban legend has it that Judge Ito refused to let the DNA evidence in because he didn't understand it. If that's actually true, then there's no question in my mind that O.J. is guilty.

I don't know if there's any truth to that, but a lot of evidence was omitted from the trial, including some of the most crucial pieces. The late Vincent Bugliosi discussed this both in his 1996 book Outrage and in numerous interviews.

Among the excluded evidence was the recorded police interview in which OJ made incriminating statements about the cut on his finger. In the tape, he was told about the blood around his house, and this interview occurred a few hours before blood was drawn from him. The cut on Simpson's finger was a deep cut, yet he couldn't provide a legitimate answer as to how he got that cut. What are the odds that he would cut himself as badly as he did while Nicole and Ron were being stabbed to death?

Bonniegirl
02-02-2016, 03:38 PM
One element of this crime that I feel everyone overlooked was that OJ was a serial abuser.

Nicole was a battered wife/ex-wife.

No one paid attention to this. Who cares if he was a big celebrity, there was a clear pattern of abuse and control.

I believe he flipped because he ended up being rejected by his ex-wife and then girlfriend, while Nicole was free to date around as she pleased. This made him feel powerless and he went in to take control of her.


I agree! As much as I didn't want to think at first that he could actually be a murderer! Remembering him when I was younger ,a famous football player and actor who was a good guy that everyone liked!!! For him to have snapped like that. Very scary!!! :( Just everything points to OJ! No other scenario of who could have killed Nicole and Ron ads up!!! :confused:

Tonight is the premier of "The people vs. OJ Simpson" on FX!!! I think it's a four part series? On at 10PM! I'm wondering if that will be 7PM PST? I'm going to be watching that for sure!!! ;)

Cuba Gooding Jr. as OJ!!! He doesn't really look like him? And OMG John Travolta as Robert Shapiro!!!!:eek: WOW!! That's going to be interesting! And David Schwimmer (he's so cute) as Robert Kardashian ! WOW it really is going to be interesting! ;)

Vahan
02-02-2016, 06:34 PM
Just now, Marcia Clark claimed that O.J. got away with it, was because he was black.

Um, no, O.J. got away with it was because she and the rest of the prosecuting team did a horrid job on the case. Plus, Robert Blake was white, and he also walked. So skin color had nothing to do with it.

Bonniegirl
02-02-2016, 06:58 PM
Just now, Marcia Clark claimed that O.J. got away with it, was because he was black.

Um, no, O.J. got away with it was because she and the rest of the prosecuting team did a horrid job on the case. Plus, Robert Blake was white, and he also walked. So skin color had nothing to do with it.


Yeah color!!! The color GREEN!! As in money!!!! Having enough money for really good lawyers helps a person get away with murder! ;)

FrostyShine
02-02-2016, 07:51 PM
I believe it was because Johnny Cochran masterfully played the race card. You have to remember this case was payback for the Rodney King Verdict. Remember the LA riots?

Corkys-Place
02-02-2016, 07:55 PM
Wasn't Simpson eventually jailed for another crime in Nevada?

FrostyShine
02-02-2016, 08:16 PM
Yes, serving 33 years.

He and his friends and associates stormed into a hotel room with guns to steal back memorabilia belonging to OJ. It was going to fall into the hands of the Goldman family (one of his victims).

He kidnapped the memorabilia dealer at gunpoint.

OJ was a street thug when he was a youth and he remains so to this very day.

Mace Dolex
02-03-2016, 01:51 AM
Anyone remember the made-for-TV movie aired on FOX back in 1995 nine months before the actual verdict was announced?

The O.J. Simpson Story (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114023/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_49)

Bonniegirl
02-03-2016, 04:31 AM
Anyone remember the made-for-TV movie aired on FOX back in 1995 nine months before the actual verdict was announced?

The O.J. Simpson Story (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114023/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_49)


Yeah! I vaguely remember it! I think the guy they had playing OJ looked and talked more like him than Cuba Gooding Jr. I remember him yelling "NICOLE" in a real deep voice that sounded how OJ would say it!

FrostyShine
02-03-2016, 02:42 PM
Anyone remember the made-for-TV movie aired on FOX back in 1995 nine months before the actual verdict was announced?

The O.J. Simpson Story (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114023/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_49)

Yep, I watched it in 1995.

FrostyShine
02-03-2016, 02:47 PM
I watched FX last night. The first episode was good.

Although I doubt that Chris Darden regarded Johnny Cochran as a mentor and that Darden wanted to leave his position to become a defense lawyer. This was all news to me.

Jill Shively allegedly almost crashed into Simpson's Bronco when he was speeding away from the crime scene. Very interesting.

LooksLikeCRicci
02-03-2016, 07:02 PM
I watched FX last night. The first episode was good.

Although I doubt that Chris Darden regarded Johnny Cochran as a mentor and that Darden wanted to leave his position to become a defense lawyer. This was all news to me.

Jill Shively allegedly almost crashed into Simpson's Bronco when he was speeding away from the crime scene. Very interesting.

Darden has actually confirmed that he DID look up to Cochrane.

Vahan
02-03-2016, 07:08 PM
I watched FX last night. The first episode was good.

Although I doubt that Chris Darden regarded Johnny Cochran as a mentor and that Darden wanted to leave his position to become a defense lawyer. This was all news to me.

Jill Shively allegedly almost crashed into Simpson's Bronco when he was speeding away from the crime scene. Very interesting.

There was one gripe about the film: O.J. Simpson is taller than Cuba Gooding, Jr., and he talked in a deeper voice.

FrostyShine
02-03-2016, 09:49 PM
Darden has actually confirmed that he DID look up to Cochrane.

Darden said that he and Cochrane hated one another and almost came to blows when he was interviewed by Oprah.

Maybe he did admire him at some point. I don't know.

FrostyShine
02-03-2016, 09:51 PM
I think he is acting well in the series.

He played one scene as if OJ were guilty and the next scene as if OJ were innocent. He kept alternating throughout according to Cuba Gooding Jr.

Mace Dolex
02-04-2016, 01:02 AM
I think in this case they were looking for a great pool of actors instead of them actually resembling the real people they're pretending to be but David Schwimmer is an odd choice since he doesn't strike me as being able to act like the real Robert Kardashian.

Bonniegirl
02-04-2016, 04:11 AM
I think in this case they were looking for a great pool of actors instead of them actually resembling the real people they're pretending to be but David Schwimmer is an odd choice since he doesn't strike me as being able to act like the real Robert Kardashian.


WOW!!! Schwimmer really resembles Kardashian though in this. They got the hair down pat!!! ;)

LooksLikeCRicci
02-04-2016, 12:35 PM
WOW!!! Schwimmer really resembles Kardashian though in this. They got the hair down pat!!! ;)

I actually thought the same thing. For the most part, I was impressed with the casting. I think Selma Blair is a dead ringer for a young Kris Jenner, as is Sarah Paulson for Marcia Clark. I thought David Schwimmer did a great job as Robert Kardashian and I suspect we'll see some good scenes with Schwimmer in upcoming episodes (don't let the fact that he's "Ross" fool you. If you ever watched "Band of Brothers," you'll know that Schwimmer is actually a damn fine actor.) I suspect that Courtney B. Vance is going to steal the show as Johnny Cochrane and I'm excited to see Nathan Lane's take on F. Lee Bailey.

Frankly, the only casting choice I found "off" was that of John Travolta. I'm sure he'll grow on me, but I'm just not feeling it right now.

LooksLikeCRicci
02-04-2016, 12:37 PM
Darden said that he and Cochrane hated one another and almost came to blows when he was interviewed by Oprah.

Maybe he did admire him at some point. I don't know.

This series could very well show the breakdown of the relationship. I know that Shapiro has been quoted saying that he would NEVER work another case with Johnnie Cochran again. I'm very curious to see why that is....

I suspect it's going to be because Shapiro felt that Cochran took the case in an "unethical" direction by playing the race card.

FrostyShine
02-04-2016, 04:55 PM
Cochran absolutely did do that.

Kane
02-04-2016, 05:16 PM
Just now, Marcia Clark claimed that O.J. got away with it, was because he was black.

Um, no, O.J. got away with it was because she and the rest of the prosecuting team did a horrid job on the case. Plus, Robert Blake was white, and he also walked. So skin color had nothing to do with it.

Agreed. The prosecutors made numerous mistakes, more than enough to guarantee an acquittal. Not only did they leave out some of the most important pieces of evidence, but they had the trial in Los Angeles instead of Santa Monica. Vincent Bugliosi knew it was a big mistake because it resulted in a biased jury - biased against the prosecution and biased in OJ Simpson's favor. Also, their closing arguments were ill-prepared, and they failed to challenge both damaging defense testimony and the abuses of Judge Lance Ito.

FrostyShine
02-04-2016, 05:31 PM
How the murders played out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO2in6vLv4

Vahan
02-04-2016, 07:02 PM
How the murders played out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO2in6vLv4

And another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpvNQZxCtg

I wonder if the lower quality VHS footage actually comes from the night of June 12, 1994?

Mace Dolex
02-05-2016, 01:31 AM
WOW!!! Schwimmer really resembles Kardashian though in this. They got the hair down pat!!! ;)
Too bad the skunk hair coif didn't catch on. :)

Arnold_OldSchool
02-05-2016, 01:52 PM
A hitman says Kardasian hired him to stalk Nicole, but he then realized that he was being set up as the fall guy for a murder and quit.

Another theory is that OJ and Nicole were in the drug scene and one of their dealers or whatever killed Nicole in a similar manner as one of the couple's friends died in Miami or something like that.

Bonniegirl
02-05-2016, 02:33 PM
A hitman says Kardasian hired him to stalk Nicole, but he then realized that he was being set up as the fall guy for a murder and quit.

Another theory is that OJ and Nicole were in the drug scene and one of their dealers or whatever killed Nicole in a similar manner as one of the couple's friends died in Miami or something like that.


I don't think so! So much stuff is being said just to rag on the Kardashians! I think Robert and OJ were good friends and at first of course he didn't believe OJ would/could do that! Than I think he pretty much realized but he was between a rock and a hard place! OJ being his long time friend, and getting hired on as one of his lawyers! If anything he is guilty of being unethical ,but as far as Robert having anything to do with the murders ,I seriously doubt it !

Bonniegirl
02-05-2016, 02:51 PM
I actually thought the same thing. For the most part, I was impressed with the casting. I think Selma Blair is a dead ringer for a young Kris Jenner, as is Sarah Paulson for Marcia Clark. I thought David Schwimmer did a great job as Robert Kardashian and I suspect we'll see some good scenes with Schwimmer in upcoming episodes (don't let the fact that he's "Ross" fool you. If you ever watched "Band of Brothers," you'll know that Schwimmer is actually a damn fine actor.) I suspect that Courtney B. Vance is going to steal the show as Johnny Cochrane and I'm excited to see Nathan Lane's take on F. Lee Bailey.

Frankly, the only casting choice I found "off" was that of John Travolta. I'm sure he'll grow on me, but I'm just not feeling it right now.


Yeah I was intrigued when I read David Schwimmer was playing Robert Kardashian!!! I was like WHAT ? :eek: That young, whiny cutie pie with the sad puppy dog eyes from Friends!!!! Than when I was watching I was amazed how good a job he was doing, and being older now he does resemble Kardashian !! ! I was still thinking of DS as being 20 something, early 30's! But yeah, Friends started over 20 years ago. DS was born in 1966, so he is 49! RK was 50 when the OJ murders happened! So BINGO!! Perfect casting!! And David is doing a wonderful job!;)

And Marcia Clark and Johnny Cochran were casted perfectly! Sarah and Courtney not only look like them, the acting is superb! ;) John Travolta!! Wow IDK what to make of that!!! :eek: But I guess he is doing OK!! Maybe a little over the top acting wise? And he looks strange!! :crazy:

FrostyShine
02-05-2016, 03:17 PM
A hitman says Kardasian hired him to stalk Nicole, but he then realized that he was being set up as the fall guy for a murder and quit.

Another theory is that OJ and Nicole were in the drug scene and one of their dealers or whatever killed Nicole in a similar manner as one of the couple's friends died in Miami or something like that.

The Columbian drug dealers were allegedly through Faye Resnick and OJ wasn't there to watch out for Nicole.

Both theories lack evidence. The Kardashian theory is new to me.

It was OJ who did it.

Bonniegirl
02-06-2016, 02:00 PM
I know it is off the subject of OJ Simpson and the mini series but David Schwimmer was really cute when he played Karen's boyfriend on the Wonder Years!


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/10/9f/c0/109fc0c026a7ec88274fdd1177f6c9a2.jpg

FrostyShine
02-10-2016, 01:28 PM
The second episode was great.

OJ almost ended his life in that Bronco. What weren't mentioned were the money and disguises he had in there because he planned on escaping to Mexico.

Bonniegirl
02-10-2016, 01:55 PM
The second episode was great.

OJ almost ended his life in that Bronco. What weren't mentioned were the money and disguises he had in there because he planned on escaping to Mexico.


That was intense!! :eek: I don't know how A.C. Cowlings was able to drive with all that going on! I bet he was a nervous wreck! :confused: H*ll his long time friend holding a gun to his own head, thinking ANY MINUTE that trigger could go off ,being THAT close and in a vehicle with somebody committing suicide in a manner like that! :eek: And in the state of mind OJ was in he could have really lost it, and shot A.C.!! That had to have been going through A.C.'s mind! :eek: Malcolm Jamal Warner is FANTASTIC!! And I'm getting used to Cuba Gooding Jr.as OJ! I mean he doesn't look like him, but he's doing a good job as far as the acting is going! ;)

And David Schwimmer IMO is stealing the show,IMO!!;) He's REALLY GREAT in this! And Robert Kardashian, my God he was holding everything down at the Brentwood home, with all of OJ's family! That had to have been tough on him! I could IMAGINE how high emotions were running! :confused:

GOD! OJ sure put a lot on people! Besides murdering two people and all the sadness and grief on their families and friends! :( He sure put his own friends and family under so much stress! Very selfish!!! :mad:

cordwainer1453
02-10-2016, 02:09 PM
Drug dealers don't use knifes, guys.

LooksLikeCRicci
02-10-2016, 02:17 PM
That was intense!! :eek: I don't know how A.C. Cowlings was able to drive with all that going on! I bet he was a nervous wreck! :confused: H*ll his long time friend holding a gun to his own head, thinking ANY MINUTE that trigger could go off ,being THAT close and in a vehicle with somebody committing suicide in a manner like that! :eek: And in the state of mind OJ was in he could have really lost it, and shot A.C.!! That had to have been going through A.C.'s mind! :eek: Malcolm Jamal Warner is FANTASTIC!! And I'm getting used to Cuba Gooding Jr.as OJ! I mean he doesn't look like him, but he's doing a good job as far as the acting is going! ;)

And David Schwimmer IMO is stealing the show,IMO!!;) He's REALLY GREAT in this! And Robert Kardashian, my God he was holding everything down at the Brentwood home, with all of OJ's family! That had to have been tough on him! I could IMAGINE how high emotions were running! :confused:

GOD! OJ sure put a lot on people! Besides murdering two people and all the sadness and grief on their families and friends! :( He sure put his own friends and family under so much stress! Very selfish!!! :mad:

I was super impressed with Malcom Jamal Warner as A.C. last night. We all know Cuba is a good actor, so I wasn't too surprised with how he did. Although I will admit that I'm half-expecting him to start shouting, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!"

Schwimmer WAS great last night. As far as the Kardashians go, I know there's a lot of hate. I started out as a fan and grew very disillusioned with the family very quickly. I will say this, however: If Robert Kardashian were still alive, I suspect he would be disappointed with his family. From everything I've read about him, he was very down to earth and would most likely be horrified at all the fame-whoring his kids are doing. It seems as if he were the more "grounded" of the two Kardashian parents. I've read that he was also an incredibly loyal friend to O.J. and had a hard time believing that O.J. could have murdered Nicole. I think he really DID believe O.J. killed Nicole and Ron and this caused him incredible internal turmoil. I suspect we'll see more of that in upcoming episodes as well...

Bonniegirl
02-10-2016, 03:05 PM
I've read that he was also an incredibly loyal friend to O.J. and had a hard time believing that O.J. could have murdered Nicole. I think he really DID believe O.J. killed Nicole and Ron and this caused him incredible internal turmoil. I suspect we'll see more of that in upcoming episodes as well...

I TOTALLY agree!!

FrostyShine
02-10-2016, 03:09 PM
Drug dealers don't use knifes, guys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombian_necktie

FrostyShine
02-10-2016, 03:14 PM
I was super impressed with Malcom Jamal Warner as A.C. last night. We all know Cuba is a good actor, so I wasn't too surprised with how he did. Although I will admit that I'm half-expecting him to start shouting, "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!"

Schwimmer WAS great last night. As far as the Kardashians go, I know there's a lot of hate. I started out as a fan and grew very disillusioned with the family very quickly. I will say this, however: If Robert Kardashian were still alive, I suspect he would be disappointed with his family. From everything I've read about him, he was very down to earth and would most likely be horrified at all the fame-whoring his kids are doing. It seems as if he were the more "grounded" of the two Kardashian parents. I've read that he was also an incredibly loyal friend to O.J. and had a hard time believing that O.J. could have murdered Nicole. I think he really DID believe O.J. killed Nicole and Ron and this caused him incredible internal turmoil. I suspect we'll see more of that in upcoming episodes as well...

He did play AC very well. OJ was the calm, charming one, while AC was the gruff street guy type. When journalists and photographers would approach AC, he would lash out in the most gangster way imaginable.

Robert Kardashian was definitely a strict disciplinarian. He's rolling in his grave because of how far his children have strayed from the conservative old school Armenian values he tried to instill in them.

Kardashian had serious doubts by the end of the trial. When the verdict was announced, he was in complete shock. He later told ABC News that the blood evidence is what gave him serious doubts. According to Kris Jenner, when Robert was on his deathbed he refused OJ's phone call and didn't want him to visit.

Vahan
02-10-2016, 03:27 PM
Someone says that no one watches the Naked Gun movies anymore because of O.J. Simpson. Well, one could watch them as O.J. getting his comeuppance for what he did to Ron and Nicole. That's how I watch them as.

LooksLikeCRicci
02-10-2016, 05:26 PM
Someone says that no one watches the Naked Gun movies anymore because of O.J. Simpson. Well, one could watch them as O.J. getting his comeuppance for what he did to Ron and Nicole. That's how I watch them as.

Funny. That's how I viewed his Vegas criminal trial. :)

FrostyShine
02-10-2016, 06:38 PM
The Naked Gun movies were great entertainment.

Leslie Nielsen, George Kennedy, and the others were great.

Who knew about that Nordberg (lol)?

FrostyShine
02-10-2016, 09:17 PM
I wonder though: will it take a position on OJ's guilt? When Shapiro asked OJ whether he was guilty, Cuba Gooding Jr. answered in the most evil and guilty way trying to mask his guilt.

In some scenes - like the car chase scene he appeared innocent to some degree.

OJ always maintained that good guy athlete image even during his Las Vegas trial.

Mace Dolex
02-19-2016, 01:51 AM
I'm getting used to Travolta's portrayal of Shapiro and from the movie it seems to want to portray Robert Shapiro as a bit selfish only interested in winning the case as he's making the whole trial revolve around "race".

LooksLikeCRicci
02-19-2016, 01:58 PM
I wonder though: will it take a position on OJ's guilt? When Shapiro asked OJ whether he was guilty, Cuba Gooding Jr. answered in the most evil and guilty way trying to mask his guilt.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I am under the impression that the show's producers/writers/directors all absolutely think O.J. is guilty. Not only do they think O.J. is guilty, but they also think the prosecution made some major errors in the handling of the case. And there was some shoddy police work.

I suspect as this plays out the lone sympathetic character is going to be Robert Kardashian, who will have a crisis of faith as he realizes his friend and idol is a murderer. Just my suspicion, based on what I know of the case and of Kardashian.

Vahan
02-19-2016, 02:12 PM
The real Marcia Clark was, in fact, a heavy smoker. Her favorites were Dunhill cigarettes.

Bonniegirl
02-19-2016, 02:40 PM
The real Marcia Clark was, in fact, a heavy smoker. Her favorites were Dunhill cigarettes.


I figured she was, the way they are having that actress smoke so heavily in the show! ;)

Arnold_OldSchool
02-28-2016, 07:38 AM
I geeked out for the machinations the Dream Team executed. I feel dirty.

BlueGalexy
07-22-2017, 11:21 PM
I hopped into this thread because the Oxygen network is doing a bunch of Simpson coverage in preparation of their miniseries, The Jury Speaks. I never thought anyone other than Simpson committed the double murder. IMO, no matter how many times he proclaimed his innocence, his actions always spoke louder. From his previous well documented abuse of Nicole, to his ridiculous slow speed chase, to the If I did It BS, to his role in the armed robbery that finally sent him to prison.

I was watching one of the documentaries about this case earlier this evening, and they aired some clips of OJ Simpson recounting his version of events from that night. For some reason Simpson started going on and on about Kato Kaelin and how the man just wouldn't give up about the "noise" that he heard outside the residence. Simpson actually seemed to belabor this point, and even seemed a little irritated about it. For some reason I found this amusing. I couldn't help but think that if I were trying to play it cool after committing a violent murder and my houseguest starts a motor mouth routine about movements that I'm trying to cover up, I'd probably be a little irritated too, lol.

By the way...can someone please explain this ridiculous (IMO anyway) theory about Faye Resnick and the evil, shadowy Colombian drug dealers?? Not sure how Faye Resnick's alleged drug issues, whatever they might have been, would lead to the murders of Simpson and Goldman...

ETA: Just found out BTW, that Simpson has indeed been granted parole in the armed robbery case. The article I read had an interesting quote from one of his own victims about how Simpson deserves a second chance. Now I'm just spit balling here, but I'm pretty sure the Brown and Goldman families may see it somewhat differently...God knows I sure as hell do.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oj-simpson-parole-board-20170720-story.html

MA
07-23-2017, 06:18 AM
I hopped into this thread because the Oxygen network is doing a bunch of Simpson coverage in preparation of their miniseries, The Jury Speaks. I never thought anyone other than Simpson committed the double murder. IMO, no matter how many times he proclaimed his innocence, his actions always spoke louder. From his previous well documented abuse of Nicole, to his ridiculous slow speed chase, to the If I did It BS, to his role in the armed robbery that finally sent him to prison.

I was watching one of the documentaries about this case earlier this evening, and they aired some clips of OJ Simpson recounting his version of events from that night. For some reason Simpson started going on and on about Kato Kaelin and how the man just wouldn't give up about the "noise" that he heard outside the residence. Simpson actually seemed to belabor this point, and even seemed a little irritated about it. For some reason I found this amusing. I couldn't help but think that if I were trying to play it cool after committing a violent murder and my houseguest starts a motor mouth routine about movements that I'm trying to cover up, I'd probably be a little irritated too, lol.

By the way...can someone please explain this ridiculous (IMO anyway) theory about Faye Resnick and the evil, shadowy Colombian drug dealers?? Not sure how Faye Resnick's alleged drug issues, whatever they might have been, would lead to the murders of Simpson and Goldman...

ETA: Just found out BTW, that Simpson has indeed been granted parole in the armed robbery case. The article I read had an interesting quote from one of his own victims about how Simpson deserves a second chance. Now I'm just spit balling here, but I'm pretty sure the Brown and Goldman families may see it somewhat differently...God knows I sure as hell do.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oj-simpson-parole-board-20170720-story.html

What coverage are they showing?

Babalu
07-23-2017, 06:38 AM
This is one case that should not be in Unsolved Mysteries.

This is the most solved mystery of all time.

BlueGalexy
07-23-2017, 07:26 AM
This is one case that should not be in Unsolved Mysteries.

This is the most solved mystery of all time.

I couldn't agree more Babalu! Never was much mystery in the Simpson case, IMO. Hard as it is to fathom however, there are a few people out there who believe the man was innocent, my own mother among them, lol! Hell, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and she is my mama...I love and adore her regardless.

To answer your question Mikaela, it was the E! True Hollywood Story.

Kane
07-26-2017, 10:39 AM
This is one case that should not be in Unsolved Mysteries.

This is the most solved mystery of all time.

I agree. The segment would have been okay for other shows, but not for Unsolved Mysteries. It was nothing more than filler, and certainly not good filler. But the late Vincent Bugliosi won the debate in that segment if you ask me.

BlueGalexy
07-26-2017, 03:25 PM
I agree. The segment would have been okay for other shows, but not for Unsolved Mysteries. It was nothing more than filler, and certainly not good filler. But the late Vincent Bugliosi won the debate in that segment if you ask me.

I had no idea Bugliosi had passed away, Kane. That upsets me as much as when Robert Stack and Dominick Dunne passed away respectively! Actually Bugliosi authored one of my favorite true crime novels titled And the Sea Will Tell. If you're a fan of his, you may want to check it out.

Kane
07-27-2017, 10:07 AM
I had no idea Bugliosi had passed away, Kane.

He died on June 6, 2015, two years ago.

Tighthead
07-29-2017, 11:48 AM
I had no idea Bugliosi had passed away, Kane. That upsets me as much as when Robert Stack and Dominick Dunne passed away respectively! Actually Bugliosi authored one of my favorite true crime novels titled And the Sea Will Tell. If you're a fan of his, you may want to check it out.

That's a great book and a crazy story. I always liked Bugliosi but I thought his belief in his client's innocence was a bit of a stretch.

BlueGalexy
07-30-2017, 11:02 AM
That's a great book and a crazy story. I always liked Bugliosi but I thought his belief in his client's innocence was a bit of a stretch.

Oh yeah, lol! I'd forgotten that aspect of the book. It's been quite a few years since I've read it. Yeah, I guess I never really understood that either. I too always wondered where his total belief in Stearns's innocence came from. I've personally always believed that she was just as guilty as Walker. But as my mama always says, if opinions were nickels, and all that...

Tighthead
07-30-2017, 04:39 PM
Oh yeah, lol! I'd forgotten that aspect of the book. It's been quite a few years since I've read it. Yeah, I guess I never really understood that either. I too always wondered where his total belief in Stearns's innocence came from. I've personally always believed that she was just as guilty as Walker. But as my mama always says, if opinions were nickels, and all that...

I'm a lawyer, and I have no issue with lawyers defending guilty people. I respect it. But saying you only act for innocent people is Matlockian.

Schmo
07-27-2019, 12:01 PM
Agreed. The prosecutors made numerous mistakes, more than enough to guarantee an acquittal. Not only did they leave out some of the most important pieces of evidence, but they had the trial in Los Angeles instead of Santa Monica. Vincent Bugliosi knew it was a big mistake because it resulted in a biased jury - biased against the prosecution and biased in OJ Simpson's favor. Also, their closing arguments were ill-prepared, and they failed to challenge both damaging defense testimony and the abuses of Judge Lance Ito.

I think there was a conspiracy to acquit Simpson. Remember there were riots in Los Angeles in 1992 as a result of cops being acquitted of beating Rodney King. I think then-LA County District Attorney Gil Garcetti feared the same would happen if Simpson was convicted. So the prosecution took a dive.

Kane
07-27-2019, 01:22 PM
I think there was a conspiracy to acquit Simpson. Remember there were riots in Los Angeles in 1992 as a result of cops being acquitted of beating Rodney King. I think then-LA County District Attorney Gil Garcetti feared the same would happen if Simpson was convicted. So the prosecution took a dive.

It's too bad Bugliosi was no longer a prosecutor by the time of the murders and trial. He would have handled the case differently and OJ Simpson would most likely have been convicted. Simpson may have won an acquittal, but there's no denying that it was a Pyrrhic victory for him.