Just noticed the woman who played Jackie is Candy Azzara. She's done a lot of TV work and is still active, but the thing that most stands out to me about her is that she was cast in one of the All in the Family pilots as Gloria.

So they went with Keith and Laurie for the kids names, huh? Sounds familiar.

So they went with Keith and Laurie for the kids names, huh? Sounds familiar.
Lol. Anyway , that pilot sucked big time.

Lol. Anyway , that pilot sucked big time.


Yeah I wasn't thrilled with it! I could see why it wasn't picked up. ;)


I still think a spinoff of the "Royers" at the house they rented with Max. And maybe have some more sexual tension eps. between Barbara and Max? ;)

Yeah I wasn't thrilled with it! I could see why it wasn't picked up. ;)


I still think a spinoff of the "Royers" at the house they rented with Max. And maybe have some more sexual tension eps. between Barbara and Max? ;)
That would have been better than the Schneider pilot.

That was the worst pilot/finale ever.
2 kids being raised by a janitor and a group of sideshow freaks.

I agree that the Royers would have been a better way to go considering they were featured in the last few eps of the series anyway.

But I heard the Valerie was done with doing the show.

Lol. Anyway , that pilot sucked big time.

Yeah I wasn't thrilled with it! I could see why it wasn't picked up. ;)

It's like 227's backdoor pilot spin-off attempt Jackee---so unbelievably lame you wonder how anyone ever thought of the idea, lol (that said, I have loved being able to see the Jackee episode for the first time thanks to Antenna TV's inclusion of it in the syndicated cycle of 227).

Lol. Anyway , that pilot sucked big time.

I agree, it was bad. The character of Schneider was the wrong one to attempt a spin off with. They should have tried it with Barbara, Mark, and Max, but I guess Valerie B. wasn't interested.

So they went with Keith and Laurie for the kids names, huh? Sounds familiar.

I didn't even notice that. :lol:

I agree with the other comments about this pilot. Really bad concept.

I didn't even notice that. :lol:

I agree with the other comments about this pilot. Really bad concept.


Yeah I didn't really catch what the little boy's name was. :confused:

IDK if it was a bad concept, it actually seemed like it could be funny, a show with carnival type people. But they were the most boring sideshow people I ever saw.:confused: I mean it really wasn't funny at all. And I couldn't see that trying to turn into a drama/comedy like ODAAT!

Only good thing in the show was seeing a very young Corey Feldman! :)

Lol. Anyway , that pilot sucked big time.

WOW???? I was sure you was going to like something about it LOL

I agree, it was bad. The character of Schneider was the wrong one to attempt a spin off with. They should have tried it with Barbara, Mark, and Max, but I guess Valerie B. wasn't interested.



Exactly, a character who served no purpose on the show and they wanted to give him a spinoff? lol

Well I finally watched it. It sucked. I'm sort of glad I skipped it the first time around.

After 9 seasons on Antenna TV I was getting really, really tired of seeing Schneider in the same ol' damn outfit, lol. Couldn't they have changed it up just once, like halfway through the series, so he had a "new" different get-up to wear? lol

After 9 seasons on Antenna TV I was getting really, really tired of seeing Schneider in the same ol' damn outfit, lol. Couldn't they have changed it up just once, like halfway through the series, so he had a "new" different get-up to wear? lol


They put his goofy a$$ in a suit sometimes and he looked stiff as a board

They put his goofy a$$ in a suit sometimes and he looked stiff as a board


And when he was dressed up did you notice how his hair was all slicked back?:confused: It was funny, because he had nice, thick hair naturally , it was like his best feature! ;) But every time they had him dressed up for any special occasion , his hair was all slicked back, and that wasn't in style at all in the mid/late 70's/early 80's! :confused:

And when he was dressed up did you notice how his hair was all slicked back?:confused: It was funny, because he had nice, thick hair naturally , it was like his best feature! ;) But every time they had him dressed up for any special occasion , his hair was all slicked back, and that wasn't in style at all in the mid/late 70's/early 80's! :confused:


But his body posture was so weird when he wore a suit lol

But his body posture was so weird when he wore a suit lol


I think that may have been the point, how out of his element he was when he dressed up in a suit. :)

That pilot or whatever it was supposed to be, I'd never seen before, and all these years later, I didn't miss a thing by NOT having seen it....:lol:

I think that may have been the point, how out of his element he was when he dressed up in a suit. :)

That pilot or whatever it was supposed to be, I'd never seen before, and all these years later, I didn't miss a thing by NOT having seen it....:lol:


He should have never been on the show because the character is POINTLESS

Man, was that ever aired? I must have stopped watching the show at that point!

Lol. Anyway , that pilot sucked big time.

And still better than anything else Corey Feldman has been in since Lost Boys.

License To Drive(1988) wasn't bad, and it also stared Richard Masur as Corey Haim's father.

They put his goofy a$$ in a suit sometimes and he looked stiff as a board

I know, I meant as a permanent wardrobe change, though. And yes, he was so stiff and unnatural in suits, lol.

Candy Azzara was also a frequent guest on RHODA in the first two seasons. She played the secretary in Joe's office. I guess she was under contract to CBS in the 70s?

This is the 2nd time I've seen the Schneider pilot. It wasn't as bad the 2nd time around, still not very good though. I guess he decided to take the kids, he was back in his apartment thinking it over, then he made the call and said he was coming down there, I assume it was to get the kids. But there was never any series, so that's all there was to that.

Didnt see the pilot last night but he does mention Ann being in England, right? I think Scheinder was the only option. If Valerie didnt want to it, then how can spin off anybody else. If spin off Ann, then Valerie cant be in it and that's her daughter. Julie obviously wont be in it either. You can spin off Mark because he's married to Barbara. That wouldnt work. And forget Max. What story would he have?

That was the worst pilot/finale ever.
2 kids being raised by a janitor and a group of sideshow freaks.

I agree that the Royers would have been a better way to go considering they were featured in the last few eps of the series anyway.

But I heard the Valerie was done with doing the show.

My thought exactly, billybatts.

That pilot was so awful it was an insult to longtime viewers of the show it was spun off from.

Better idea might have been to have Schneider reunite with his long lost son and his family and have them rediscover each other ala the current show Grandfathered.

This backdoor pilot was just the worst concept ever. Like an SCTV parody or something.

Didnt see the pilot last night but he does mention Ann being in England, right? I think Scheinder was the only option. If Valerie didnt want to it, then how can spin off anybody else.

I wonder of Valerie was offered a spin-off, or if they ever discussed continuing the show without Bonnie (and perhaps Pat?)

I wonder of Valerie was offered a spin-off, or if they ever discussed continuing the show without Bonnie (and perhaps Pat?)

I can offer you this from Valerie's book Losing It (2008), page 111:

In August 1983 I went back to work on One Day, knowing it was going to be the last season of the show. After nine years, CBS had decided to pull the plug. When Mac had returned, there'd been talk of a spinoff featuring the two of us, but those rumors faded over time.

Creatively, the show was finished, and everyone associated with the series agreed we'd plumbed all the relevant topical story lines and that continuing the show would only damage the credibility and spirit we wanted to preserve.....

Selfishly, I wanted Bonnie to continue doing the show for another year without me. I saw myself taking a year off and then coming back. But Bonnie needed a break as much as I did. She didn't want to re-up. We were finished.

Didnt see the pilot last night but he does mention Ann being in England, right? I think Scheinder was the only option. If Valerie didnt want to it, then how can spin off anybody else. If spin off Ann, then Valerie cant be in it and that's her daughter. Julie obviously wont be in it either. You can spin off Mark because he's married to Barbara. That wouldnt work. And forget Max. What story would he have?


And forget Max. What story would he have?


I beg your pardon !!!!????? :( :( :( The possibilities would be endless! He would have been PERFECT for a spinoff!;) :eyes: Focusing on him finally getting over Julie and meeting and dating woman! Raising his daughter as a single Dad! And there could also be a big focus on him at work at the travel agency!;) :heart:

I can offer you this from Valerie's book Losing It (2008), page 111:

In August 1983 I went back to work on One Day, knowing it was going to be the last season of the show. After nine years, CBS had decided to pull the plug. When Mac had returned, there'd been talk of a spinoff featuring the two of us, but those rumors faded over time.

Creatively, the show was finished, and everyone associated with the series agreed we'd plumbed all the relevant topical story lines and that continuing the show would only damage the credibility and spirit we wanted to preserve.....

Selfishly, I wanted Bonnie to continue doing the show for another year without me. I saw myself taking a year off and then coming back. But Bonnie needed a break as much as I did. She didn't want to re-up. We were finished.

Very Interesting ... and it did save the show's credibility and Spirit - Both "Archie Bunker's Place" (as an extension of "All in the Family") and "The Jefferson's" suffered Creative declines and were canceled - without final episodes. Think about it - ODAT was treated BETTER than Norman Lear's two biggest shows.

If anything, ODAT was the one Norman Lear show to go out up on Top - even if the ratings were a little soft in the end. (blame those two time-slot moves) For a show with a built-in end date, they ran it regularly without preemption (ie: multi-consecutive weeks without new or repeat episodes or shows aired as one time time-slot filler) as they would have any series, and technically gave it a 1-hour finale.

They treated the show well right till the end. Would CBS have done things different if Season 9 wasn't the last? Different time-slot,different promotion? Would it have made a difference in viewership?

Without access to data we don't know how it did weekly in the time-slots or the demographics for Season 9 - What #47 represents. Could have been doing #2 for the half hour, or winner on a slow night but still overall low. CBS made those time-slot moves for a reason - perhaps to improve slow nights.

Based on available data,The Move from Sunday to other nights clearly is to improve or stabilize other time slots - The last episodes aired in "Kate & Allie" time slot once that show ended it 6-episode first season for instance, and The Wednesday move was to give CBS some strong to begin the night.

They should have kept it on Sunday as after they moved it, Sunday was hit or miss for CBS after they moved ODAT. All the nights had strong competition from ABC and NBC . Sunday had the lead-out of ALICE but the competition of "Hardcastle and McCormick" and "Night Rider" - All 3 were tied for #25 place that year! The Network moved some of the Sunday sitcoms around, which is when ODAT had the moves in the spring.

But then there is counter-programming and demographics. Wednesday for instance it was followed by short-lived MAMA MALONE and the CBS MOVIE, and was up against the first half hours of REAL PEOPLE (in it's 6th and last year - no ratings data available) and the first half hour of THE FALL GUY (16/19.9) 6 weeks in the slot till the Monday slot opened to close out the series - here we have counter-programming at it's finest. A Top 20 Action Show, A Reality Show (one of the first) and A Sitcom. (Well, 2 and The Wednesday Movie)

The final episodes in the Monday slot were up against the ABC and NBC NIGHTS AT THE MOVIES, But followed "Scarecrow and Mrs.King" (20/18.3) , Followed by Newhart (23/18.0) So CBS did give the final episodes one of the BEST possible slots they could.

TV from 1955-early 1980's was a 3-player chess game. The show is shown to be #47 for the season, but might have done better in other factors. This is why demographics are so important.

One of these days I'm going to have to gig up some old issues of VARIETY to look at the weekly TV ratings data for the season once and for all. :) Should be able to get access via microfilm at the main branch of the library.

My years doing television-media research gives me a bit of insight into these things. Not perfect, but a peek behind the curtain.

You know, the pilot would have had a better chance if it aired BEFORE the "last" episode. It only got a 10 in the ratings - it didn't have a chance. (the "Last" episode got a respectable 17 rating/23 share - it's old Sunday numbers)

Have a similar pilot,he decides to leave, but then in the last episode episode Schneider had to stay for a couple of weeks to wrap things up at the building (His "2 weeks notice") and just have him leave the same time Ann and Sam Did.

Yes, I know in the pilot as aired his Dialog in last line is along the lines of "I'll be there tomorrow" but there's no way he could just quit his job and leave just like that without notice to the long never seen building owner. (Regardless, I'd like to think he saw Barbara and the Guys one more time before leaving)

I also feel if it became a series the first ODAAT cast member to guest appear would have been Nanette - seems to work somehow.

Perhaps even one or two of his old STEVE ALLEN SHOW cast mates might have made guest shots - Tom Poston was on NEWHART at the time, and there was Bill Dana and Don Knotts.

What might have been...and perhaps Valerie might have guest started is season two :)

In this book

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Pat says he didn't really like the premise for the proposed series. He added "I didn't mind the idea of a spinoff. I wouldn't have minded doing another series about the Schneider character"

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Here's how I would have done it:

Kept the building setting, and create an anthology series for season one where Schneider would have interacted with the other tenants on a rotating basis and eventually one or two sets could have "broken out" as the regular central characters. This Would have also still allowed for guest shots by Val,Mike,Boyd and Nan. (Christmas, sweeps,etc.)

We'd finally get to see the building owner after 9 years (First Seen Showing new potential tenants for #402 - I'd make him an old Korean Army Buddy of Schneider's and best friend who life Schneider saved and thus gave him a job "for life". He'd be "7 in 13" in appearances) and a cross-section of the other tenants. In a way, it would be a series of "Schneider" pilots till they found supporting characters that worked. Think "Archie Bunker's Place" without the couple of seasons of set up it had with AitF.

Order 13 weeks with 6 sets of Tenants with two shows each and see what the ratings and viewer feedback is, and in the 13 would be Christmas with appearances of the ODAAT cast. This gives Norman Lear a chance to try other ideas with a familiar character as a lead as a "Safety net." Characters that clicked would stay, others we'd not see again.

With luck, CBS orders another 9 episodes (including at least one or two more guest shots by ODAAT cast) Settle in by episode 22, end of season one. CBS would pick up if they felt the show had found it's rhythm and ratings. I'd say we'd end up with perhaps two groups of diverse tenants - and both totally different from the Romanos/Coopers. The new tenants of #402 would not be part of the rotating group. I'd have all the try out tenants long time residents so there's the preexisting "relationships" with our favorite super.

That's how I'd do it.

So the right Schneider show would work - and perhaps this one might have been it.

You know, They tried something like that with the animated "Rhoda" Pilot with "Carlton The Doorman" (Aired once in 1980 , not picked up - got an emmy)

Schneider was a pilot?? I knew Max had worked for an airline at one time, but I didn't know Schneider did too???:confused: :crazy: :D

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Schneider was a pilot?? I knew Max had worked for an airline at one time, but I didn't know Schneider did too???:confused: :crazy: :D

LOL

We'd finally get to see the building owner after 9 years

An owner was shown twice.

Once in the aptly named
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0665875/

And again (different owner) in
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0665842/

An owner was shown twice.

Once in the aptly named
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0665875/

And again (different owner) in
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0665842/

I'd ignore those for plot purposes :)