Various major retailers, including Amazon and Walmart, are pulling all Confederate flag merchandise (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/06/23/confederate-flag-walmart-roof-emanuel/29153957/), in response to the shootings in Charleston, South Carolina.

Having not grown up in the south, I don't have a close connection to the flag and its significance (but I do know what it stands for, and understand the opposition).

So... what does this (potentially) do to the General Lee, and the Dukes of Hazard? It's not like the show is a prime-time staple any more, but there is still love for the old orange Dodge...

It will be interesting to see if anyone brings this point up in the future.

You bring up a good point, jayman. Even though I've always only lived in the South, I'm not particularly partial to the Confederate flag though it is part of our country's history and I think it is ridiculous and possibly illegal to ban this flag. The problem with our society today is that we are waaaaay too politically correct in seemingly all aspects of life. I thought the libs used to preach individual thought and ideas but nowadays, if anyone dares to think for himself and those thoughts go against the grain of political correctness, then he is roundly criticized at best. Our country is in a whole heap of trouble......

You bring up a good point, jayman. Even though I've always only lived in the South, I'm not particularly partial to the Confederate flag though it is part of our country's history and I think it is ridiculous and possibly illegal to ban this flag. The problem with our society today is that we are waaaaay too politically correct in seemingly all aspects of life. I thought the libs used to preach individual thought and ideas but nowadays, if anyone dares to think for himself and those thoughts go against the grain of political correctness, then he is roundly criticized at best. Our country is in a whole heap of trouble......

The Confederate flag is treasonous. It was made by traitors for traitors.

It is not a case of PC vs. UN-PC; it is a fact.

The actors from the show make personal appearances each year and the General Lee is often there as well. Lots of people have enjoyed getting their photo taken standing beside the car. If the flag is banned, how will it effect things in this case?

The Confederate flag is treasonous. It was made by traitors for traitors.

It is not a case of PC vs. UN-PC; it is a fact.
You're right. The confederate flag represents LOSERS. That flag is Un-American, and it is just as hateful as the swastika.

Why anyone would want to salute a confederate flag over an American flag is crazy.

I live in the south and have seen confederate flags all my life. Most of the Battlefields here display them. It's just considered another part of history. And most people who do have them associate it with being a rebel not a racist. But I understand how it can rub some people the wrong way.

I think the southern states should get rid of the confederate flag and put them in museums as past history. The confederate flag is offensive to the african americans as the swastika flag is to the jewish people.

CNN has an article about the General Lee

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/23/media/dukes-of-hazzard-confederate-flag/index.html?section=money_topstories

I live in the south and have seen confederate flags all my life. Most of the Battlefields here display them. It's just considered another part of history. And most people who do have them associate it with being a rebel not a racist. But I understand how it can rub some people the wrong way.
You might want to brush up on U.S. history. It is an absolute 100% fact that the confederates wanted to PRESERVE SLAVERY, so please explain how the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. :crazy: :rolleyes: :confused:

You might want to brush up on U.S. history. It is an absolute 100% fact that the confederates wanted to PRESERVE SLAVERY, so please explain how the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism. :crazy: :rolleyes: :confused:

I'm referring to the way most people around my area today view the confederate flag. They view it as being associated with a rebel not a racist. I wasn't condoning slavery, it's a part of history just like the Spanish American War, The Revolutionary War, the Vietnam War and all other wars are a part of our history whether we agree with those wars or not.

I'm referring to the way most people around my area today view the confederate flag. They view it as being associated with a rebel not a racist. I wasn't condoning slavery, it's a part of history just like the Spanish American War, The Revolutionary War, the Vietnam War and all other wars are a part of our history whether we agree with those wars or not.
Doesn't matter. You can't cry ignorance. Fact remains that the confederates strived to uphold slavery.

I live in the south and have seen confederate flags all my life. Most of the Battlefields here display them. It's just considered another part of history. And most people who do have them associate it with being a rebel not a racist. But I understand how it can rub some people the wrong way.
I've lived in Georgia all my life and you pretty much summed up what I was going to say.

I've lived in Georgia all my life and you pretty much summed up what I was going to say.
Yep. I lived in NC for over 20 years and that's the way it was down there too.

Yep. I lived in NC for over 20 years and that's the way it was down there too.
Now knowing that that the confederates stood to preserve slavery, what do you say? Or do you want to continue using historical ignorance as an excuse to defend a flag that represents the losers of the civil war?

Now knowing that that the confederates stood to preserve slavery, what do you say? Or do you want to continue using historical ignorance as an excuse to defend a flag that represents the losers of the civil war?
Hey I wasn't born there. I was born in Maryland and my state fought for the North. I hated NC but i did grow up there and I know how they think. To them it isn't about being racist. They believe it's their heritage.

Hey I wasn't born there. I was born in Maryland and my state fought for the North. I hated NC but i did grow up there and I know how they think. To them it isn't about being racist. They believe it's their heritage.
But it IS racist, and there's no denying that. You do understand that the CONFEDERATES were pro slavery? I don't know how you could say THAT is not racist. :crazy:

I'm not defending the flag by any means but having been born and raised and still living in Georgia, I know that the people here see it as their heritage. I don't see it that way but many people do. Many people here don't even refer to it as the confederate flag, they call it the rebel flag. Some people use it as a symbol of hate but others use it as a symbol of rebellion. Either way, I'm not fond of the flag.

Now, I'm ready to stop posting about this and go back to happy, cheerful sitcoms!

But it IS racist, and there's no denying that. You do understand that the CONFEDERATES were pro slavery? I don't know how you could say THAT is not racist. :crazy:
I'm not saying it. That's what the southerners believe. I remember debates being raged when I was down there. Many of them on radio talk shows and they would get heated. They don't look at it as being racist and you're not going to convince them otherwise. I really don't give a damn one way or another about that flag. To me the south was traitors.

Is 'Dukes of Hazzard' Really Racist? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-wellington-ennis/is-dukes-of-hazzard-reall_b_7725078.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592)

But it IS racist, and there's no denying that. You do understand that the CONFEDERATES were pro slavery? I don't know how you could say THAT is not racist. :crazy:
You are so wrong about your history. Most of the people who are calling for the removal of the flag are not native South Carolinians. I have lived all 39 years of my life in South Carolina and the majority of us including black people (with whom I am friends with many) are not offended by the flag. Racism seems to be more of an issue up north than here (hence all of the recent riots). Also the war was over states rights not slavery and Lincoln famously said if he could preserve the union without ending slavery he would. You need to bone up on your history and stay out of the souths business.

You need to bone up on your history and stay out of the souths business.
^^^ That makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes: You say that I should "bone up" on my history, but at the same time, I should stay out of the South's business. OK. :crazy: :lol:

I think you're the one who needs the history lesson, sweets.
And don't tell me what to do. Got it?
I'll do what I want.

The Democratic Party was the party of slavery, nullification, secession, rebellion, segregation, the Ku Klux Klan, and lynching. A sincere person cannot oppose the confederate flag without first demanding that the name "Democratic Party" be removed from American politics.

There are arguments against the confederate flag, but the campaign itself is not sincere - it's just bullying to keep common people fighting with each other politically.
I never mentioned the "democratic party" ...... so not sure why you've added my quote to your post. :confused:

^^^^ NOW YOU ARE FAKE QUOTING ME, A$$HOLE. I WROTE CONFEDERATES, NOT DEMOCRATS, YOU FU**ING LIAR. I'M REPORTING YOU NOW, DOUCHE BAG. :)

^^^ That makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes: You say that I should "bone up" on my history, but at the same time, I should stay out of the South's business. OK. :crazy: :lol:

I think you're the one who needs the history lesson, sweets.
And don't tell me what to do. Got it?
I'll do what I want.

Spoken like a true yankee. Do I need to draw you a picture?

You're right. The confederate flag represents LOSERS. That flag is Un-American, and it is just as hateful as the swastika.

Why anyone would want to salute a confederate flag over an American flag is crazy.
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Agree with you here totally.

Spoken like a true yankee. Do I need to draw you a picture?
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They'll probably start airing reruns of The Dukes of Hazzard again once the conflict dies down some. So if you like the show, watch it and if you don't like it, then don't watch it. To make a judgement on it just because the car has the confederate flag on it seems ridiculous.

They'll probably start airing reruns of The Dukes of Hazzard again once the conflict dies down some. So if you like the show, watch it and if you don't like it, then don't watch it. To make a judgement on it just because the car has the confederate flag on it seems ridiculous.

Exactly right. Thank you.

^^^^ NOW YOU ARE FAKE QUOTING ME, A$$HOLE. I WROTE CONFEDERATES, NOT DEMOCRATS, YOU FU**ING LIAR. I'M REPORTING YOU NOW, DOUCHE BAG. :)

he wasn't "fake quoting you" - he was using an an analogy to demonstrate the glaring inaccuracy of your statement by comparing it to a similar one.

if you are are going to present an argument, be prepared for someone to try and refute it.

the confederate flag itself is not supporting slavery and is not by itself an icon of slavery, and banning it will do absolutely nothing to have an impact on racism.

there are plenty of other way more tangible components to racism in this country that could and should be addressed.

were you aware that Mississippi only ratified the 13th amendment - abolishing slavery - a little over two years ago? http://www.cbsnews.com/news/after-148-years-mississippi-finally-ratifies-13th-amendment-which-banned-slavery/ - you would think something like that should have been taken care of a little sooner.

he wasn't "fake quoting you" - he was using an an analogy to demonstrate the glaring inaccuracy of your statement by comparing it to a similar one.

if you are are going to present an argument, be prepared for someone to try and refute it.
He most certainly did fake quote me. OK? I wrote the word CONFEDERATES in my post. When he quoted me, he took out the word confederates and typed in DEMOCRATS himself. That implies that I am the one who typed democrats when I didn't. Understand? If he had a point to make, he could have done it without altering MY quote. Is that more clear now????

Who said this?
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

When did General Grant free his slaves??

You government school "historians" need to do more research.

I say ban the movie "Lincoln" not the Dukes.

Who said this?
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

When did General Grant free his slaves??

You government school "historians" need to do more research.

I say ban the movie "Lincoln" not the Dukes.
I'm amazed you're not the President of the United States. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

By the way, it is after 9 p.m., I hope you remembered to take your medication before your klan meeting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://time.com/3949363/cosby-hazzard-reruns

“If you believe that pop culture matters,” says James Poniewozik, "then it matters even when it’s uncomfortable (and sometimes for the very reasons it’s uncomfortable). The Cosby Show is a legitimate piece of American history. It advanced the representation of black families and culture on TV and–however ugly the irony now–showed a generation of kids an African American dad as a wise, successful father figure. The Dukes of Hazzard is… um, not exactly the same artistic achievement, nor did it ever try to be. But even cheesy TV is a historical document.”

Loaferman, I believe you make some good points above. I also believe there are some key and core differences between the white and black races, just as there are core differences between most of the races of the world. We may or may not all be created equally, but what we each do with our lives shows that we are not all the same or equal.

It would be interesting if science would study the brains of different races such as white Europeans, Asians, Africans because they would no doubt find chemical and biological differences that account for the behavior of a given race as a whole.

I'm amazed you're not the President of the United States. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

By the way, it is after 9 p.m., I hope you remembered to take your medication before your klan meeting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

that quote WAS from the President of the United States - Lincoln himself, who was a product of his time, albeit he was ahead of his time. To my knowledge though he was never a member of the Klan.

Yes, General Lee did own slaves and he tortured them and thought of and treated them like animals; his actions were indefensible and reprehensible. This does not mean that he and others like him are synonymous with the Confederate flag, it is a symbol of the south in general; akin to how the American flag is a symbol of the United States as a whole - including the good and bad, and just as many racists and *******s are waving the stars and stripes as are waving the stars and bars, should we ban that flag too?

George Washington owned slaves, too. Should his monument be torn down?

I'm amazed you're not the President of the United States. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

By the way, it is after 9 p.m., I hope you remembered to take your medication before your klan meeting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


The man who said that quote WAS President and his name was Abe Lincoln. As to whether or not he took his medication or not I do not know. I do know that on the penny he is facing in the opposite direction of those on other coins - maybe that is why he had a bad night at the play. He should have been looking the other way.

Implying that I am in any way involved with the klan however is indicative of your mentality and shows a lack of comprehension abilities along with a lack of plain common decency on your part.

No wonder you have a problem with other people's freedom to express their heritage. And that heritage had absolutely nothing to do with what a sick young man with evil in him did in 2015.

By the way when did Grant free his slaves?

"Julia Dent Grant came from a slave-owning family and was an apologist for slavery throughout her life and the Civil War. The Grants owned slaves that came from Julia's father and Grant himself was responsible for supervising them. These slaves were not freed until 1865 when Missouri officially abolished slavery."

Funny how he married a woman who was pro-slavery and was responsible for supervising them while he was fighting to free them ain't it?

The US thought of slaves a 3/5th's of a person. Maybe you want to debate the Union flag since they set the definition.

But it IS racist, and there's no denying that. You do understand that the CONFEDERATES were pro slavery? I don't know how you could say THAT is not racist. :crazy:
The three-fifths clause was not an amendment to the Constitution. It was part of the original text. It appeared in Article One, Section Two, Paragraph Three.


"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. "

"the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three."

This was done in the 1700's. Well before "Confederates" existed. So how can you say that was not "racist" 100 years before there was a Confederacy? It was the US.

The man who said that quote WAS President and his name was Abe Lincoln.
I know. And I wasn't talking about YOU, just as you were not quoting yourself. I was being sarcastic about Abe Lincoln. Apparently, it did not "land" with you. I understood you the first time. You didn't have to clarify or insult me.

I know. And I wasn't talking about YOU, just as you were not quoting yourself. I was being sarcastic about Abe Lincoln. Apparently, it did not "land" with you. I understood you the first time. You didn't have to clarify or insult me.
You implied klan membership while quoting me and I insulted you?? What about the 3/5th rule in the original text of the US Constitution quoted above. How about some facts??

You implied klan membership while quoting me and I insulted you?? What about the 3/5th rule in the original text of the US Constitution quoted above. How about some facts??
I just told you that I wasn't talking about you. You are the one who quoted Abe Lincoln, so I was pretending to respond to Abe Lincoln, not you. Do you understand now?

I just told you that I wasn't talking about you. You are the one who quoted Abe Lincoln, so I was pretending to respond to Abe Lincoln, not you. Do you understand now?

I understand what you claim. Doesn't mean I believe it. I think others would agree if they look at you "klan post".

I understand what you claim. Doesn't mean I believe it. I think others would agree if they look at you "klan post".
Whatever...... draw your own conclusion. I told you I was being sarcastic.... not my fault if you can't recognize that.