Actually there are a couple of episodes which really burn me up.

The first would be the episode about Wally and Chucky Murdoch. Now Wally had something to do and Wally dumped Chucky on the Beaver and Beaver and Chucky went to a shoe store where Chucky got lost. Of course, Ward blamed Wally for getting lost. I would have told him that the only reason he got lost was because Chucky got himself lost. Chucky was a defiant, spoiled little brat but NOBODY wanted to talk about that. I felt bad for Wally.

The episode where Wally was horsing around in the locker room and he couldnt participate in the meet. As usual, Ward blames Wally and not Eddie nor that sack of crap, Lumpy. I mean why should Wally have to suffer? Why didnt Ward and June tell Eddie "hey, you want to come around here, fine. You want to act like a trouble maker, thats YOUR business, not Wally's. You act like that around Wally and he gets in trouble, your not coming around here anymore." Something like that, yet somehow, they never said anything.

I will say it seemed like Ward was a little more on the ball than June. I mean when Gilbert was introduced and Beaver and him fought, did you notice how slowly Ward got up and went over to Gilbert's house to break it up? He knew that they had to fight it out.

Not really a pet peeve per se , but I can't get over the windows in the front of Beaver's classroom! It makes no sense to me! To see the chalkboard the kids would have to turn their heads to the side , that would be uncomfortable all day, probably leave them with stiff necks. Or they would have to turn their whole body around, than it would be awkward to do their work at the desk!

Actually there are a couple of episodes which really burn me up.

The first would be the episode about Wally and Chucky Murdoch. Now Wally had something to do and Wally dumped Chucky on the Beaver and Beaver and Chucky went to a shoe store where Chucky got lost. Of course, Ward blamed Wally for getting lost. I would have told him that the only reason he got lost was because Chucky got himself lost. Chucky was a defiant, spoiled little brat but NOBODY wanted to talk about that. I felt bad for Wally.

The episode where Wally was horsing around in the locker room and he couldnt participate in the meet. As usual, Ward blames Wally and not Eddie nor that sack of crap, Lumpy. I mean why should Wally have to suffer? Why didnt Ward and June tell Eddie "hey, you want to come around here, fine. You want to act like a trouble maker, thats YOUR business, not Wally's. You act like that around Wally and he gets in trouble, your not coming around here anymore." Something like that, yet somehow, they never said anything.

I will say it seemed like Ward was a little more on the ball than June. I mean when Gilbert was introduced and Beaver and him fought, did you notice how slowly Ward got up and went over to Gilbert's house to break it up? He knew that they had to fight it out.

I just watched this episode and ask myself the same thing when Ward asks Wally how an almost Junior in high school could cause so much trouble. What the heck? I mean this lady comes over and insists on non-family members to help out at last moment with her kid and Wally is to blame for not stopping his plans for the whims/needs of a woman that he doesn't really even know.

There's a whole discussion at IMDB.com under Leave It To Beaver message boards entitled Most Idiotic Episode To Date. It really gets everyone's take on Chuckie's Shoes and how the mother is such a floozy. You'll really agree.

Each time I watch this episode I think - if I had to watch this kid (Chucky), he would have went home in a body bag and a toe tag! :lol:

LOL I agree kid was a total creep. death to Chuckie. "I want the shoes so I can see what my toes are doing." Can't believe Beaver bought two pairs of shoes to satisfy the kid. Wonder what his mother will do when she gets the bill.

LOL I agree kid was a total creep. death to Chuckie. "I want the shoes so I can see what my toes are doing." Can't believe Beaver bought two pairs of shoes to satisfy the kid. Wonder what his mother will do when she gets the bill.

I did not like the way Chucky's mother forced Wally to take the task without waiting for Wally's answer.

Actually there are a couple of episodes which really burn me up.

The first would be the episode about Wally and Chucky Murdoch. Now Wally had something to do and Wally dumped Chucky on the Beaver and Beaver and Chucky went to a shoe store where Chucky got lost. Of course, Ward blamed Wally for getting lost. I would have told him that the only reason he got lost was because Chucky got himself lost. Chucky was a defiant, spoiled little brat but NOBODY wanted to talk about that. I felt bad for Wally.

The episode where Wally was horsing around in the locker room and he couldnt participate in the meet. As usual, Ward blames Wally and not Eddie nor that sack of crap, Lumpy. I mean why should Wally have to suffer? Why didnt Ward and June tell Eddie "hey, you want to come around here, fine. You want to act like a trouble maker, thats YOUR business, not Wally's. You act like that around Wally and he gets in trouble, your not coming around here anymore." Something like that, yet somehow, they never said anything.

I will say it seemed like Ward was a little more on the ball than June. I mean when Gilbert was introduced and Beaver and him fought, did you notice how slowly Ward got up and went over to Gilbert's house to break it up? He knew that they had to fight it out.

Just a side note about Ward and Eddie. Once Ward really did get really pi**ed at Eddie-when he took out the Beaver's report card and changed that D- in math to a B+ and Beaver initially got blamed for it. Wally got Eddie to confess to it, and Ward was no happy camper; Ward basically told Eddie if you ever do anything like that again you can't come around here. ( Just looked up ep: "Beaver's Report Card S4 ep 27)

My pet peeve (sort of): the creepy friends both boys had. Larry and Gibert- who were often bad influences on Beaver. When they'd get Beaver in trouble, they'd often not face their share of the music and bail. Same with Wally with his two doofy and lame-a** friends Eddie and Lumpy. Sheesh-with friends like these who needs enemies. With them, Wally was more of a babysitter than friend. But, the contrast did lend dimension to the show---would have liked to see another teen on the show as solid as kind as Wally.

My pet peeve (sort of): the creepy friends both boys had. Larry and Gibert- who were often bad influences on Beaver. When they'd get Beaver in trouble, they'd often not face their share of the music and bail. Same with Wally with his two doofy and lame-a** friends Eddie and Lumpy. Sheesh-with friends like these who needs enemies. With them, Wally was more of a babysitter than friend. But, the contrast did lend dimension to the show---would have liked to see another teen on the show as solid as kind as Wally.

I am wondering that if there were no mean and selfish kids on that show, would it be entertaining?

Just a side note about Ward and Eddie. Once Ward really did get really pi**ed at Eddie-when he took out the Beaver's report card and changed that D- in math to a B+ and Beaver initially got blamed for it. Wally got Eddie to confess to it, and Ward was no happy camper; Ward basically told Eddie if you ever do anything like that again you can't come around here. ( Just looked up ep: "Beaver's Report Card S4 ep 27)

There was another episode where Ward was going to tell Eddie off, but Wally stopped him. I don't remember the ep name.

My pet peeve (sort of): the creepy friends both boys had. Larry and Gibert- who were often bad influences on Beaver. When they'd get Beaver in trouble, they'd often not face their share of the music and bail. Same with Wally with his two doofy and lame-a** friends Eddie and Lumpy. Sheesh-with friends like these who needs enemies. With them, Wally was more of a babysitter than friend. But, the contrast did lend dimension to the show---would have liked to see another teen on the show as solid as kind as Wally.

Don't be dissing Larry.:(

Oh, and I agree about Chucky and Chucky's mom Chucky was an obnoxious brat, and the mom had no right to dump Chucky on Wally like that. Besides, her excuse for not being able to buy shoes for him was lame. She could have bought the shoes before or after she picked her husband up, or better yet not wait until the last minute to do things.

I am wondering that if there were no mean and selfish kids on that show, would it be entertaining?

I think it could have; but it would have been more of a challenge for the writers and producers.

There was another episode where Ward was going to tell Eddie off, but Wally stopped him. I don't remember the ep name.

I'm going to try to find the title' and watch it if it was one of the eps I burned from Antenna.

I was just thinking about some of the trouble Larry got Beaver into, like drilling the holes in the garage wall, tearing his good pants at the construction site, and smoking the meerschaum pipe. All of those things could have happened in real life, decades earlier when the writers were young boys themselves.

But what about the destruction of Ward's signed Babe Ruth baseball? Do you think one of the writers' father had a prized baseball he had kept, say in the 1930s (and probably signed in the 1910s or so, pre-Babe Ruth)?

yeah, Beaver was such a sap to let all his friends get him into trouble so much. Whitey, Richard and Gilbert also got Beav into trouble. I never liked that aspect of the Beaver character. Of course, having him get into trouble once in a while was fine because it made for interesting stories but Beaver was too gullible. Remember when the guys got Beaver to wear the monter sweatshirt to school, and when they had him make a stupid face in the class picture.

Don't be dissing Larry.:(


I agree. I like Larry. Even though Larry and Gilbert both did bad things sometimes, I just couldn't stand Gilbert. It always seemed like he was working some type of angle as opposed to Larry who was more curious than anything else.

I agree. I like Larry. Even though Larry and Gilbert both did bad things sometimes, I just couldn't stand Gilbert. It always seemed like he was working some type of angle as opposed to Larry who was more curious than anything else.

Larry seemed genuinely sorry, Gilbert not so much (though I do like him), also Whitey could be mischievous too, the In The Soup episode where Beav gets trapped in the giant soup bowl, Whitey the whole time had that look like he was happy Beav got trapped.

How about today's episode? Wally had to use Eddie's credit card to buy a new battery for his car. To make a long story short, Ward got mad at Wally for using somebody else's card. I say what was Wally supposed to do? Not only that, Wally paid Eddie back asap. How many kids would do that? One thing about Ward. He always gets his big nose out of joint especially when parents complain to Ward and June about what Wally and or the Beaver did. How about taking your kids side for a change? Its almost like he wants to believe the worst in his kids. Not only that, how many times have you heard him say "when I was a kid..." Well, you know what? Maybe Ward should remember that.

Also, I dont like that "yes, sir" stuff. If your in military service thats fine. To show respect, how about "yes, dad" or "yes, father." You never Wally or the Beav say to June, "yes, ma'am."

How about today's episode? Wally had to use Eddie's credit card to buy a new battery for his car. To make a long story short, Ward got mad at Wally for using somebody else's card. I say what was Wally supposed to do? Not only that, Wally paid Eddie back asap. How many kids would do that? One thing about Ward. He always gets his big nose out of joint especially when parents complain to Ward and June about what Wally and or the Beaver did. How about taking your kids side for a change? Its almost like he wants to believe the worst in his kids. Not only that, how many times have you heard him say "when I was a kid..." Well, you know what? Maybe Ward should remember that.

Also, I dont like that "yes, sir" stuff. If your in military service thats fine. To show respect, how about "yes, dad" or "yes, father." You never Wally or the Beav say to June, "yes, ma'am."


Not to disrespect your opinion or anything, but what generation are you from? I'm curious because you seem to be very down on Ward, so that tells me that you are probably from a much younger generation. I'm in my early 40's and I think Ward is the best dad a kid could have. Now, I will say that my dad was a strict former Marine, so maybe that's why I see Ward a bit mellower than you do. I see it as a sign of respect that they say, "yes, sir", but I don't recall Ward ever insisting that they call him that. Please feel free to tell me if I had missed a time where he had. I resorted to saying to my dad, "yes, sir" when I was in trouble but any other time it was, "yes, daddy." My sister and I knew when to use it put it that way.

This is just my opinion of course, but I don't see Ward as the man who wants to see the worst in his kids. Why would he? What would his motive be? Yes, he was maybe uptight now and then, but June was even more so,and I'm assuming because she was the mother of boys. And let's face it, she had to go to Ward about the boys with a lot because she just didn't understand them. It most likely would have been the other way around if they had a daughter. And it seems in many episodes, Ward was concerned that they would upset and worry their mother, so maybe he was feeding off of her anxiety too.

I certainly didn't mean to go on and on, I guess I was just wondering why you felt so indifferent toward a man who really tried his best to be as patient as possible when it seems he didn't grow up in a warm and fuzzy household. There was one episode in particular where I felt Ward was too easy on Beaver, and that was The Silent Treatment, where Beaver was mad at his mother because he couldn't go with Wally and Eddie in Eddie's truck to listen to his new stereo or whatever it was. Beaver was careful to not show it too much around Ward that he was disrespecting his mother because he knew his dad would take issue with it. However, when Ward did find out what he was doing I was disappointed that he wasn't a bit harsher with him. Yes, he mentioned the tool shed to June, but why not hint around to Beaver about it? If that was me treating my mother like that, I wouldn't have been able to sit down for a week - and I would be subjected to what my father refereed to as "In house Boot Camp" where we had to use a toothbrush to clean our floors and that's no joke! And during that week of Boot Camp, we only went to school and back home again. No TV, no music, nothing! So, you can see I think Ward was damn near perfect! ;)

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You are from what I call the A-hole generation. The men/dads then were real A-holes. I am 52

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You are from what I call the A-hole generation. The men/dads then were real A-holes. I am 52

Sorry you feel that way. I loved my dad and miss him very much now that he's gone. Yes, he was tough, but he always loved us too. I probably should have mentioned it, but I was comparing him to Ward and showing how Ward was really a softie. Because of my dad, I also learned how to work for what I wanted out of life, and to this day I have a strong work ethic, and sadly I don't see a lot of that in today's world. My dad also taught me how to defend myself. And today, I fear no one and nothing. I'm sure you meant that about men/dads in general, but my dad was no a$$hole, and I respected him a 110%. He took care of our family and provided well for us. I can honestly say that there is little of that out of men in today's world too (now I'm generalizing). In fact, when I became engaged to the man I'm currently married to, my dad had "the talk" with him before the wedding, and that was basically to tell him that if he hurt me in any way, shape, or form, then he would kill him. My husband knew he was NOT joking too. It wasn't all a bed of roses, but I certainly do not resent how I was raised because my dad raised me out of love along with the tough edges and he really did his best to prepare us for the world, especially for the ***** hole it has become.

I was born in 1982. Military or not, he loved you, that's what counts. To me, though, if your straight as an arrow like Wally and the Beav were most of time, the tough love part of it shouldnt exist. If Ward and more or less, June, looked at the bigger picture, they would see that they had two good kids. Do they get into trouble sometimes? Yes. But who doesnt?

The one thing that they could always count on is that the Wally and the Beaver were always a little more nicer and polite, than say, Lumpy, Eddie or Gilbert. I mean even on Wally and the Beaver's worst day of mischief, I would still take them over Lumpy, Eddie, Gilbert any day of the week. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. Thats something they should be proud at.

I did not like the way Chucky's mother forced Wally to take the task without waiting for Wally's answer.

Why not? Wally stood there like a moron with his thumb up his a$$! (Ok, that's my dad coming out of me)!:lol:

Wally should have had the manhood to say, "Look lady, I don't have the time or the desire to drag your snotty kid anywhere!" And then promptly shut the door.

You know, disrespect an elder?? Especailly back then??? Wally would have still been grounded.

How about today's episode? Wally had to use Eddie's credit card to buy a new battery for his car. To make a long story short, Ward got mad at Wally for using somebody else's card."

Well, back then, a credit card was very hard to get, even up until the late 90's it wasn't easy, I know because I worked at a bank.

You know, disrespect an elder?? Especailly back then??? Wally would have still been grounded.

Oh most definitely he would have been grounded, but I bet that would have been worth it, and sometimes it is when dealing with people like that woman. She was a piece of work, so no wonder her kid was the way he was. LOL!

I was born in 1982. Military or not, he loved you, that's what counts. To me, though, if your straight as an arrow like Wally and the Beav were most of time, the tough love part of it shouldnt exist. If Ward and more or less, June, looked at the bigger picture, they would see that they had two good kids. Do they get into trouble sometimes? Yes. But who doesnt?

The one thing that they could always count on is that the Wally and the Beaver were always a little more nicer and polite, than say, Lumpy, Eddie or Gilbert. I mean even on Wally and the Beaver's worst day of mischief, I would still take them over Lumpy, Eddie, Gilbert any day of the week. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. Thats something they should be proud at.

Ok, point taken. One thing I really liked about Ward is that when he was wrong about his responses, he admitted it.

Thats very true.