View Full Version : Karen Carpenter: the voice of the 20th century


Steve_uk
02-09-2015, 04:47 PM
I reminisce on that melodic contralto voice of hers,that tragic figure the victim of family circumstance and the unrelenting pursuit of profit as Carter turned to Reagan, leading to her early demise 32 years ago this month at the age of 32. How this fat kid on the block must have recalled those cruel taunts as she sought solace in her grand Californian mansion, losing just a little more weight to be on the safe side as her body dysphoria took hold. She came back from that dehydrated skeleton which occupied a seat on the Sue Lawley show, a brief glimmer of hope and a temporary convalescence before the (one feels) inevitable relapse.http://youtu.be/ZWbi492f-wQ

Steve_uk
02-09-2015, 04:53 PM
Do you have a favourite Carpenters number?http://youtu.be/oBUkS_iD7gw

Zoneboy
02-09-2015, 06:12 PM
Suggest this be moved to the music forum, probably not hurting anything here but it's obviously a music topic.

Steve_uk
02-09-2015, 06:25 PM
Please yourself,but make it accessible,unlike for some reason the Demis Roussos thread which seems to have disappeared without trace when I type his name,if one of you moderators would care to explain..

Foggy
02-09-2015, 06:29 PM
It is hard to believe it has been 32 years!!
Her voice is one you just don't get tired of hearing.

As far as a favorite,,, how can you choose~~~~ALL OF THEM!!!

If you really listen to the words of some of their songs, they had to do with Karen's Life. The melody that Richard came up with, for the songs, were incredible with her singing.

Truly miss her!

Gone, but forever in our HEARTS, and will never be forgotten!!

Steve_uk
02-09-2015, 06:57 PM
It is hard to believe it has been 32 years!!
Her voice is one you just don't get tired of hearing.

As far as a favorite,,, how can you choose~~~~ALL OF THEM!!!

If you really listen to the words of some of their songs, they had to do with Karen's Life. The melody that Richard came up with, for the songs, were incredible with her singing.

Truly miss her!

Gone, but forever in our HEARTS, and will never be forgotten!!
No never Foggy,and the fairground in the following clip seemed to be an encapsulation of the Carpenters' career with its spinning carousel and rise and fall trajectory of the elephants,yet concealing within a deep malaise as Richard takes an anxious sideways glance at his sister in unguarded moments in what outwardly seemed to us gentler times,if not to them.http://youtu.be/AHfddvbKb4w

Janice
02-10-2015, 02:24 PM
She had the voice of an angel. I love all of the Carpenter's song, just love some more than others. My Dad's favorite singer; gone too soon for sure.
Some favorites..

Close to You (every wedding song of the 70s and 80s)

We've Only Just Begun (every prom song)

Rainy Days and Mondays

Superstar

Bonniegirl
02-10-2015, 02:37 PM
Karen had a beautiful voice! It was such a shame what happened. Poor girl, as talented and pretty as she was , but she had self image issues so bad to diet to such extreme! Such a tragedy that her life ended because of it!

I love We've only just begun and Close to you . And Merry Christmas darling.

Vahan
02-10-2015, 02:45 PM
I hope the writer for Billboard Magazine who called her a "chubby sister" was fired and blacklisted from the industry for that.

Bonniegirl
02-10-2015, 02:48 PM
I hope the writer for Billboard Magazine who called her a "chubby sister" was fired and blacklisted from the industry for that.

OMG . Somebody wrote that??? :mad: :( What an A Hole!!!! :mad:

Vahan
02-10-2015, 02:51 PM
OMG . Somebody wrote that??? :mad: :( What an A Hole!!!! :mad:

Actually, I take it back. That was an inaccuracy from the 1989 TV movie about Karen Carpenter. From Wikipedia:

"Karen is shown reacting to a Billboard article that describes her as "chubby". No such article was ever written about Karen. However, there was an article that claimed Richard to be "chubby"."

I do wonder what was it that cause Karen to go to extreme dieting.

Steve_uk
02-10-2015, 03:09 PM
A transition from the boy and girl next door to international superstars in such a brief timespan it took all unawares,imprisoned by their own success as they travelled the globe,guided possibly by malign influences as they exhausted themselves and came to rely on prescription medication,unable to move forwards or back,maybe longing for the simpler times in this song where Karen at least looks normal maybe for the last time,the melody tinged with a hint of optimism among the all too prevalent angst which Richard experiences towards his vulnerable younger sister as she starts her disintegration before his very eyes.http://youtu.be/evETS8_WFGE

Penny Lane
02-10-2015, 03:40 PM
What a gorgeous voice! She projected such deep emotion in her recordings. My favorites are Only Yesterday, Yesterday Once More and Superstar.

Bonniegirl
02-10-2015, 03:43 PM
What a gorgeous voice! She projected such deep emotion in her recordings. My favorites are Only Yesterday, Yesterday Once More and Superstar.


Was Superstar the one that goes " Don't you remember you told me you loved me baby, said you'd be coming back this way again baby! Baby, baby, baby Oh baby. I love you , I really do"!! ?

I think it is . I love that song too! ;)

Penny Lane
02-10-2015, 03:48 PM
[QUOTE=bonniegirl62]Was Superstar the one that goes " Don't you remember you told me you loved me baby, said you'd be coming back this way again baby! Baby, baby, baby Oh baby. I love you , I really do"!! ?

I think it is . I love that song too! ;)[/QUOTE

Yup that's Superstar. Listen to the emotion in her voice. It's almost heartbreaking. I think I read somewhere that Richard was at first against Karen recording this song because it's about a rock groupie. But she insisted. It's a classic!:)

LUNCH
02-10-2015, 03:49 PM
Karen Carpenter had one of the best singing voices I've ever heard.. It's impossibe for me to pick a favorite Carpenters song,but a few are "Sing A Song","Top of The World" and "Yesterday Once More" however she could have even read the phone book and I'd still listen.

Bonniegirl
02-10-2015, 03:52 PM
[QUOTE=bonniegirl62]Was Superstar the one that goes " Don't you remember you told me you loved me baby, said you'd be coming back this way again baby! Baby, baby, baby Oh baby. I love you , I really do"!! ?

I think it is . I love that song too! ;)[/QUOTE

Yup that's Superstar. Listen to the emotion in her voice. It's almost heartbreaking. I think I read somewhere that Richard was at first against Karen recording this song because it's about a rock groupie. But she insisted. It's a classic!:)


Oh I know!!! It is a really heart touching song. Very emotional! Even as a little girl it touched my heart! We all wanted a rock star boyfriend, and she sang about that and even at a young age it was so beautiful and heart touching, something every girl could relate to, being in love but the guy telling all the girls the same line. Getting your heart broken! :(

Steve_uk
02-10-2015, 04:33 PM
Karen Carpenter had one of the best singing voices I've ever heard.. It's impossibe for me to pick a favorite Carpenters song,but a few are "Sing A Song","Top of The World" and "Yesterday Once More" however she could have even read the phone book and I'd still listen.
She may as well have been reading the telephone book in this next song if somebody could possibly translate for me..http://youtu.be/cHkKJMjY3Is
(But such a classy performance you'd have thought she'd been performing like this as a toddler..)

Steve_uk
02-10-2015, 05:13 PM
I'd forgotten Superstar. It reminds me a bit of Killing Me Softly in style and all those romantic songs of the 70s we just don't hear anymore.http://youtu.be/SJmmaIGiGBg

Bonniegirl
02-10-2015, 08:38 PM
I'd forgotten Superstar. It reminds me a bit of Killing Me Softly in style and all those romantic songs of the 70s we just don't hear anymore.http://youtu.be/SJmmaIGiGBg


Yes!! There sure were some pretty songs back in that era! ;)

Dude111
02-11-2015, 01:04 AM
Suggest this be moved to the music forum, probably not hurting anything here but it's obviously a music topic.No wouldnt hurt moving it to your Base Zoneboy :) (It IS ok here though ON GENERAL DISCUSSIONS (Which covers ALL BASES (And beyond)))

Steve_uk
02-11-2015, 06:56 PM
Karen and Richard in happier times. I wonder if Richard in this clip is finally realizing just what a star they have found in his little sister,and he seems to be taking it all in good spirits.http://youtu.be/FDPMmaHWj1I

Janice
02-12-2015, 04:03 PM
I saw a profile of Richard Carpenter a few years back, and he was still devastated by her death. He was very close to Karen. He has a shrine to her in his house, with her grand piano in it. I got the feeling that he was having trouble getting past her loss.

Steve_uk
02-12-2015, 07:02 PM
I saw a profile of Richard Carpenter a few years back, and he was still devastated by her death. He was very close to Karen. He has a shrine to her in his house, with her grand piano in it. I got the feeling that he was having trouble getting past her loss.
There's an interview here a few months after her death. There must be many thoughts running through his head,not least whether he could have saved her and whether he still bears guilt.http://youtu.be/B9XGUgOef28

Family Ties Forever!
02-13-2015, 05:43 AM
She had a great voice. She died too young. I was only 4 when she died.

OH Nuts!
02-13-2015, 10:21 AM
Like all of you, I loved Karen Carpenter. She DID have the voice of an angel. Right after Barbra Streisand, Karen's my favorite female vocalist. Ella F. Is third. IMO Karen MADE the Carpenters. AND what no one has seemed to mention, Karen was a FANTASTIC drummer. I've seen some of her videos drumming and she's breathtaking.

My favorite song by Karen? How do you pick just one? So..my favorite by Karen...anything! Like LUNCH she could have sang the phone book and I'd be spellbound too.

My heart breaks when I think of how she struggled with her anorexia (and bulemia). Sadly, doctors weren't as sensitive to this condition as they are now. We truly lost a vastly talented and kindly soul.

Steve_uk
02-13-2015, 06:36 PM
Like all of you, I loved Karen Carpenter. She DID have the voice of an angel. Right after Barbra Streisand, Karen's my favorite female vocalist. Ella F. Is third. IMO Karen MADE the Carpenters. AND what no one has seemed to mention, Karen was a FANTASTIC drummer. I've seen some of her videos drumming and she's breathtaking.

My favorite song by Karen? How do you pick just one? So..my favorite by Karen...anything! Like LUNCH she could have sang the phone book and I'd be spellbound too.

My heart breaks when I think of how she struggled with her anorexia (and bulemia). Sadly, doctors weren't as sensitive to this condition as they are now. We truly lost a vastly talented and kindly soul.
I don't know much about Richard,whether he was a classically-trained pianist which I assume he was? Didn't he write the songs after all? What a shame Karen didn't have the self-esteem to keep her own persona but tried to mimic others,including an Abba song I heard her sing on a youtube clip dressed in Napoleon boots and culottes,then there was the Olivia Newton-John influence with the Grease film in 1978. I don't want to blame anyone in particular but I don't feel that she had anyone to turn to who was a dependable friend,apart from ironically her brother Richard,who had addiction problems himself,when I've heard it said upon his admittance to the Kansas clinic that's when her problems started.

Coffeecup
02-13-2015, 06:54 PM
OMG . Somebody wrote that??? :mad: :( What an A Hole!!!! :mad:
I'd rather be called chubby than an A Hole. You're no better.

Steve_uk
02-13-2015, 07:09 PM
We loved her for herself,not what an imagined popstar should look like. http://youtu.be/dPmbT5XC-q0

Zoneboy
02-13-2015, 07:13 PM
No wouldnt hurt moving it to your Base Zoneboy :) (It IS ok here though ON GENERAL DISCUSSIONS (Which covers ALL BASES (And beyond)))

I know and please don't use all caps with me. I've asked you more than once not to and it would be greatly appreciated if you didn't. I'm perfectly capable of understanding your point without the extra help.

Steve_uk
02-15-2015, 12:28 AM
There's more here,with clips I have never seen before. They made a difficult activity look incredibly easy,but then we didn't witness the hours of practice and rehearsals which must have accompanied their endeavours. And of course they were perfectionists.http://youtu.be/wOCk-D2fOpg?list=PL4D422842EADFE1C0

OH Nuts!
02-15-2015, 03:07 AM
There's more here,with clips I have never seen before. They made a difficult activity look incredibly easy,but then we didn't witness the hours of practice and rehearsals which must have accompanied their endeavours. And of course they were perfectionists.http://youtu.be/wOCk-D2fOpg?list=PL4D422842EADFE1C0
Wow. What a great video, thanks steve_uk. God that Karen had the voice of an angel. And a fierce drummer to boot.

Foggy
02-16-2015, 01:56 PM
I'd rather be called chubby than an A Hole. You're no better.

I believe Bonniegirl62 was referring to a person in a movie made many years ago. In the movie a "billboard article" was supposely wrote that Karen Carpenter was "chubby",(but it never existed) Karen was at 17 years old, 5'4" tall and 105 lbs--- may have been slightly "chubby" but she still looked "slender",,,from the movie it was suppose to have given her the reason for her "image problem."

So, you see that person would have been an "A-Hole" if he had existed and it was the cause of her eating disorder, but it wasn't the cause.

Many years after the movie, the real problem finally came out. The cause of her "eating disorder" became known: it was the "much needed love and acceptance" from her mother, that she needed, but wasn't getting. It is what really caused her eating disorder.

Steve_uk
02-16-2015, 04:05 PM
I believe Bonniegirl62 was referring to a person in a movie made many years ago. In the movie a "billboard article" was supposely wrote that Karen Carpenter was "chubby",(but it never existed) Karen was at 17 years old, 5'4" tall and 105 lbs--- may have been slightly "chubby" but she still looked "slender",,,from the movie it was suppose to have given her the reason for her "image problem."

So, you see that person would have been an "A-Hole" if he had existed and it was the cause of her eating disorder, but it wasn't the cause.

Many years after the movie, the real problem finally came out. The cause of her "eating disorder" became known: it was the "much needed love and acceptance" from her mother, that she needed, but wasn't getting. It is what really caused her eating disorder.
Foggy I can quite well believe this,noting her diffidence whilst being interviewed behind the drum kit during that first televised experience. The mother quite often favours the son over the daughter and even more so with child prodigy Richard on the piano,whilst Karen took refuge on the drums after possibly finding Richard too hard an act to follow. Later of course she would discern that the public were coming primarily to see her. But I'd be interested in any documentary sources you have which confirm your suspicions regarding the mother.

Foggy
02-17-2015, 12:27 AM
Foggy I can quite well believe this,noting her diffidence whilst being interviewed behind the drum kit during that first televised experience. The mother quite often favours the son over the daughter and even more so with child prodigy Richard on the piano,whilst Karen took refuge on the drums after possibly finding Richard too hard an act to follow. Later of course she would discern that the public were coming primarily to see her. But I'd be interested in any documentary sources you have which confirm your suspicions regarding the mother.

I can't find a documentary online, but do remember Richard doing one after their mother(Agnes Carpenter) died on Oct 1 1996....I remember seeing one on VH1, on the show, "Behind The Music" I think!!
My memory may not be correct, but I think that is where Richard said he had to convience his mother to let Karen to go touring outside of the USA. Their mother thought it was ok for Richard to go, but inappropriate and to dangerous for Karen to go. Richard had to tell his mom that they were a team (a duo) and Karen had to go. It was the first time Richard had ever spoken of his family history. Again, for some reason I have this memory, but it may not be a correct one.


There is a book by Author Randy Schmidt with affection and comprehensive biography, published by Omnibus Press in 2010:
The Little Girl Blue:The Life Of Karen Carpenter

Here is an long article: (talks about the book)

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/oct/24/karen-carpenter-anorexia-book-extract

There is also reviews about this book on Amazon and NYTimes

Here is an article (another long one) from a newspaper called "The Downey Patriot.":

http://www.thedowneypatriot.com/article/karen-carpenter-all-she-needed-was-love/

In this it mentions the book and few other sources. It even talks about some of the song lyrics, that over the years, even I have wondered if the songs were talking about her life (I made mention of this in post #5 of this thread, but didn't list the songs or lyrics.)

If I can find anything more I will post it. Happy reading.

Bonniegirl
02-17-2015, 12:52 AM
I believe Bonniegirl62 was referring to a person in a movie made many years ago. In the movie a "billboard article" was supposely wrote that Karen Carpenter was "chubby",(but it never existed) Karen was at 17 years old, 5'4" tall and 105 lbs--- may have been slightly "chubby" but she still looked "slender",,,from the movie it was suppose to have given her the reason for her "image problem."

So, you see that person would have been an "A-Hole" if he had existed and it was the cause of her eating disorder, but it wasn't the cause.

Many years after the movie, the real problem finally came out. The cause of her "eating disorder" became known: it was the "much needed love and acceptance" from her mother, that she needed, but wasn't getting. It is what really caused her eating disorder.


Thank you Foggy, that is exactly what I was referring to! The poster before me posted that a person who wrote for Billboard magazine had written that she was chubby.

So Coffeecup you might want to read the posts here more thoroughly before you attack somebody again here like you did me!! :mad:

Steve_uk
02-19-2015, 06:40 PM
There's another documentary here,which stresses the musical aspect and does not linger on the illness.http://youtu.be/IvALCAHMEVk

Steve_uk
02-20-2015, 01:56 PM
I don't normally like remakes,but Karen could read the telephone directory and one would be entertained. Does anyone know the date of this piece,which is reminiscent of the Abba videos with the main figure and a profile,set amidst a snowy backdrop..http://youtu.be/fsgj4xcxXyA

Steve_uk
02-20-2015, 05:24 PM
The Carpenters made this song their own,or is the original always the best..http://youtu.be/425GpjTSlS4

Kate From CT
02-21-2015, 02:10 PM
Rainy Days and Mondays - Love that song.

I also like their cover of "No Place like Home For The Holidays"

Steve_uk
02-21-2015, 03:00 PM
Rainy Days and Mondays - Love that song.

I also like their cover of "No Place like Home For The Holidays"
You are an incurable romantic Mrs Roy Hinkley but also a pragmatist and a realist. I always think of the Bob Geldof hit when I think of the former,which I believe was banned in your country due to its violent provenance. As for the latter,I'm sure you know it was a Perry Como hit,then released posthumously by Richard,presumably in time for the Christmas market.

How much simpler life was back then..http://youtu.be/SmPer3yNGHg

janet42
02-21-2015, 07:40 PM
Karen Carpenter was a great singer. I like everyone else loved her songs. Sadly Karen didn't love herself like we do. In the Karen Carpenter's movie, which was made in 1989, the psychartrist told Karen's mother that you need tell Karen that you love her. Her mom said,'We dont' need to tell her that we love her! I show that I love and she knows it." According to the book "Karen Carpenter Blue", the mother in the movie was kind compare to her real mom.

Here is the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIHyovdCMHE

Steve_uk
02-21-2015, 09:17 PM
Karen Carpenter was a great singer. I like everyone else loved her songs. Sadly Karen didn't love herself like we do. In the Karen Carpenter's movie, which was made in 1989, the psychartrist told Karen's mother that you need tell Karen that you love her. Her mom said,'We dont' need to tell her that we love her! I show that I love and she knows it." According to the book "Karen Carpenter Blue", the mother in the movie was kind compare to her real mom.

Here is the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIHyovdCMHE
Thanks Janet42. I watched the film until she collapses onstage,whereupon my laptop shut down as a precaution-no damage done I think but just warning other members. From what I have watched it seems the mother is portrayed as only wanting the best for her daughter,whose life trajectory fell into a vacuum after success temporararily eluded the duo and Karen's marriage ran into difficulties. The irony was that she had put on weight near the end of her life but maybe at a rate which her heart could not withstand.

Steve_uk
02-22-2015, 05:43 PM
Did somebody say Karen Carpenter could read the telephone book and one would be entertained? How can I start the week without her..http://youtu.be/PjFoQxjgbrs

Tweety
02-22-2015, 07:28 PM
I'd rather listen to Karen Carpenter than any other female soloist who ever came down the pike. imo, the best pure singer ever. No auto-tune needed! What we heard was her voice, the way it actually sounded

Steve_uk
02-23-2015, 06:34 PM
I'd rather listen to Karen Carpenter than any other female soloist who ever came down the pike. imo, the best pure singer ever. No auto-tune needed! What we heard was her voice, the way it actually sounded
I don't think we knew what talent we were witnessing it until it was too late. I notice she embarked upon the Stillman diet,a variation of the Atkins diet,which restricts carbohydrates. It's really only suitable for candidates who are grossly overweight,when the body feeds on itself and not right for Karen who was not really overweight at all by today's standards. The pressure she put upon herself to look good reminds me of Princess Diana,who had a similar illness and who also met a tragic end.

Steve_uk
02-28-2015, 07:43 PM
The days when groups sang live in a studio and every word was enunciated clearly and with feeling..http://youtu.be/K4C3_QMYrHo

Here is the full performance,and what a tragic irony with the final song that Karen received all the lace but none of the promises in a marriage which could have saved her from her fate had she only met the right person.http://youtu.be/ryHQx_kdOas

Steve_uk
12-02-2017, 09:16 AM
Are we looking to wallow in nostalgia, to regress or simply restore the old values? Will an age like this ever return..https://youtu.be/xFHaO9uR4cI

Edison
12-02-2017, 03:40 PM
Way much easier - One of the greatest voices of all time ? Yes.

Penny Lane
12-02-2017, 09:47 PM
Way much easier - One of the greatest voices of all time ? Yes.


I agree! :wave:

Steve_uk
12-03-2017, 11:45 AM
https://youtu.be/Jv8abg24QWg

Steve_uk
07-15-2018, 11:22 AM
Another docudrama illuminating the conflict within the Carpenter family, which the viewer may feel they still do not understand fully, as Richard pulled back from the brink and Karen headed closer to the abyss. https://youtu.be/Vj5Y6OxdWGI

Foggy
07-16-2018, 09:55 AM
Another docudrama illuminating the conflict within the Carpenter family, which the viewer may feel they still do not understand fully, as Richard pulled back from the brink and Karen headed closer to the abyss. https://youtu.be/Vj5Y6OxdWGI

As I watched this on your link, some of it looked familiar (like I had seen it before.) I believe this is the one that I saw on VH1's "Behind The Music" that I spoke of on post #36 in this thread.

Things I remembered:
*Dionne Warwick
*Karen talking to Richard about doing a Solo Album, while he was in the hospital
*Karen being told her album was good, but still shouldn't be released
*Karen telling her mother she didn't want to get married.
*At Karen's doctor's office --- her mother not being able to tell her she loved Karen.
*Karen pounding on the studio's glass where Richard was and Karen yelling at him, then her running away when he told her "I Love You" and she stopped.

Maybe, if she had heard that more often from her family, she'd still be here today.

Steve_uk
07-16-2018, 06:03 PM
As I watched this on your link, some of it looked familiar (like I had seen it before.) I believe this is the one that I saw on VH1's "Behind The Music" that I spoke of on post #36 in this thread.

Things I remembered:
*Dionne Warwick
*Karen talking to Richard about doing a Solo Album, while he was in the hospital
*Karen being told her album was good, but still shouldn't be released
*Karen telling her mother she didn't want to get married.
*At Karen's doctor's office --- her mother not being able to tell her she loved Karen.
*Karen pounding on the studio's glass where Richard was and Karen yelling at him, then her running away when he told her "I Love You" and she stopped.

Maybe, if she had heard that more often from her family, she'd still be here today.
I thought this had different actors, though the story was very similar. I've since seen another documentary on youtube which has episodes I never knew about, such as Richard's make-up artist girlfriend and Karen's reaction to her. https://youtu.be/oc1p-Pojt14

Foggy
07-17-2018, 08:01 PM
I thought this had different actors, though the story was very similar. I've since seen another documentary on youtube which has episodes I never knew about, such as Richard's make-up artist girlfriend and Karen's reaction to her. https://youtu.be/oc1p-Pojt14

I'm not sure what happen to part 2?

Here is the whole Full E! Hollywood Story -- Karen Carpenter (1:26:34 long)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30EaCndVCMA

Bonniegirl
07-18-2018, 12:08 AM
Karen Carpenter--- One of the greatest , most beautiful voiced female singers of all time and a very sweet, nice girl!!! :)

She will always be very loved and remembered!! ;):heart:


RIP Sweet Angel, Karen!!! :):heart:


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4X_O_URBFKk/hqdefault.jpg

Foggy
07-18-2018, 08:58 AM
After watching the stories on Karen Carpenter, you can tell she was a "complaint child." growing up.

Let me share with you something from
Dr James Dobson, "PARENTING ISN'T FOR COWARDS." 1994:

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The compliant child often has difficulties holding his (or her) own with his (or her) siblings.
The compliant child is more likely to internalize his (or her) anger and look for ways to reroute it.
If there is an unpleasant job to be done the compliant child will be expected to do it.
When circumstances require one child to sacrifice or do without, you know who will be elected.

Parents often show favor to another child over the compliant child without even knowing that they are aware of doing it.

Even though the compliant child goes along with the program and does not complain, he (or she) may accumulate a volume of resentment though the years.He (or she) holds his (or her) feelings inside and then pays a price for storing them.He (or she) is more susceptible as an adult to ulcers, hypertension,colitis,migraine headaches and a wide range of other illnesses.
Furthermore, his (or her) sense of utter powerlessness can drive his (or her) anger underground. It may emerge in less obvious quests for control.

That introduces the significance of food as an instrument of power. The eating disorders of anorexia and bulimia are thought to be minimally related to food itself. Instead, they represent a desire for control.

The typical anorectic patient is a female in late adolescence or early adulthood. She is usually a compliant individual who was always "a good little girl." She did not play power games to any great extent. She conformed to her parents' expectations, although resenting them quietly at times.She withheld her anger and frustration at being powerless throughout the developmental years.
Her father, and perhaps her mother, were strong individuals who took her submission for granted. Then one day, her need for control was manifested in a serious eating disorder. There at least, was one area where she could be the boss.

_____________________________


I'm not sure if this was written with her in mind, since it was first written in 1987 and later written in 1994, but it sure does fit her doesn't it.

Steve_uk
07-24-2018, 06:09 AM
Will such concerts ever be equalled anywhere in the world..https://youtu.be/V95-zmPrW5Y

Steve_uk
07-29-2018, 06:55 PM
Can anyone date this for me? Richard if you're looking in..https://youtu.be/nooeMrCws-A

Foggy
07-29-2018, 07:29 PM
Can anyone date this for me? Richard if you're looking in..https://youtu.be/nooeMrCws-A


Goodbye to Love" is a song composed by Richard Carpenter and John Bettis. It was released by The Carpenters in 1972. On the Close to You: Remembering The Carpenters documentary,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7riL90lH7M

The video above is dated 1972 and has the same background and camera shots as yours does.

Steve_uk
07-29-2018, 08:27 PM
Goodbye to Love" is a song composed by Richard Carpenter and John Bettis. It was released by The Carpenters in 1972. On the Close to You: Remembering The Carpenters documentary,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7riL90lH7M

The video above is dated 1972 and has the same background and camera shots as yours does.
Yes thank you. It looks as if Karen would have been 22 years old there. I suppose they did so many tours for that seven-year period they both became mentally and physically exhausted.

Steve_uk
07-29-2018, 08:36 PM
This is dated 21 September 1971 at the Royal Albert Hall, London. https://youtu.be/F9Nm_0pC4FM

..and the same concert: https://youtu.be/zBgKrOvdgk8

Foggy
07-29-2018, 08:50 PM
Yes thank you. It looks as if Karen would have been 22 years old there. I suppose they did so many tours for that seven-year period they both became mentally and physically exhausted.


To view their concert tours by year (1971-1981):
http://carponline.proboards.com/thread/3188/carpenters-concert-tour-schedule

Just to give you an idea of their concert tour, this is from July 1972 to the end of year after "Say Goodbye To Love" how been released.

July 7th Houston, TX, University of Texas, Hofheniz Pavilion
July 8th Shreveport, Louisiana, Hirsch Memorial Coliseum
July 9th Tulsa, OK, Assembly Center
July 11th Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, Blossom Music Festival
July 13-15th Holmdel, New Jersey, Garden State
July 16th Saratoga, New York, Performing Arts Center
July 20th Indianapolis, IN, Convention Center
July 21-23rd Chicago, IL, McCormack Place
July 26-29th Detroit, Michigan, Pine Knob
July 30th Saginaw, Michigan, Civic Auditorium
Aug. 1-3rd Columbia, Maryland, Merriweather Post Pavilion
Aug. 4-5th Allentown, Pennsylvania, State Fair
Aug. 9-15th Los Angeles, CA, Greek Theater
Aug. 22-28th Lake Tahoe, Nevada, Sahara Hotel
September 20th - October 3rd, Riviera Hotel, Las Vegas
Oct. 4th Salt Lake City, University of Utah
Oct. 5th Boise, ID, Boise State College
Oct. 6th Seattle, WA, Center Arena
Oct. 7th Spokane, WA, Coliseum
Oct. 8th Portland, OR, Coliseum
Oct. 11th Lincoln, NB, Pershing
Oct. 12th Sioux City, IA, Muni. Auditorium
Oct. 13th Omaha, NB, Civic Auditorium
Oct. 14th Fargo, ND, Civic Auditorium
Oct. 15th Bismark, ND, Civic Arena
Oct. 16th Rochester, MN, Mayo Civic
Oct. 18th Duluth, MN, Arena
Oct. 19th Waterloo, IA, McElroy Auditorium
Oct. 20th Sioux Falls, SD, Arena
Oct. 21st Des Moines, IA
Oct. 22nd Davenport, IA, Masonic
Oct. 24th Milwaukee, WI, Auditorium
Oct. 25th Charleston, IL, Eastern IL Gym
Oct. 26th Owensboro, KY, Sports Center
Oct. 27th Peoria, IL, Bradley University
Oct. 28th Terre Haute, IN, Indiana State College
Nov. 10th Ft. Wayne, IN, Mem. Coliseum
Nov. 11th Lafayette, IN, Purdue
Nov. 12th Charleston, West Virginia, Civic Center
Nov. 14th New Haven, CT, War Memorial
Nov. 15th Boston, MA, Music Hall
Nov. 16th Utica, NY, Memorial Auditorium
Nov. 17th Scranton, PA, Catholic Youth Center
Nov. 18th Norfolk, VA, Scope
Nov. 19th Greensboro, NC, Coliseum
Nov. 20th Raleigh, NC, Dorton Arena
Nov. 21st Charleston, SC, Muni. Auditorium
Nov. 22nd Macon, CA, Coliseum
Nov. 23rd Jackson, MS, Memorial Auditorium
Nov. 24th Lake Charles, LA, Auditorium
Nov. 25th Shreveport, LA, Hirsch Memorial Coliseum
Nov. 26th Little Rock, AR, Robinson Theater
December - Christmas Vacation!

Read more: http://carponline.proboards.com/thread/3188/carpenters-concert-tour-schedule#ixzz5Mh79ObVO

biffbronson
07-29-2018, 10:18 PM
I'm a Carpenters fan and have lost count of how many times I've viewed the PBS documentary.

One of my first teachers was a fan, and she had our class learn "Sing." I remember very clearly, many years later, when Karen passed away. I was in high school when I heard the sad news.

There's an AM station in my listening area called "Frank 1340 AM" that includes Carpenters songs on their playlist -- it's great.

Steve_uk
12-24-2018, 09:00 PM
Not a traditional Christmas song, but one of the few times when the remake is better than the original. https://youtu.be/fsgj4xcxXyA

OH Nuts!
12-25-2018, 03:14 PM
OMG she had the voice of an angel. And a fantastic drummer too! After Barbra Streisand, she’s my favorite female singer. And my favorite drummer: go listen to one of her sets...I would have loved to see her do a drum duet with Buddy Rich!

MA
12-25-2018, 03:16 PM
She did indeed have a beautiful voice.

Steve_uk
01-20-2019, 05:16 PM
She did indeed have a beautiful voice.
Was this the best song as she moves out in full glare onstage, resigned to fame yet unaware of the dangers as she headed towards the abyss, the finger gesture symbolic of the perfection they both strove for and often attained, yet whose quest would drain both as she heads back towards Richard and a temporary safety.
https://youtu.be/mTVpNXG7iBk

Steve_uk
09-01-2019, 09:30 AM
One analysis of Karen's voice. May she rest in peace along with Tony Peluso featured here. https://youtu.be/rfdh9x743Vw

Steve_uk
09-01-2019, 09:36 AM
Rainy Days and Mondays https://youtu.be/PjFoQxjgbrs