Also including grandparents since they were sometimes featured.

I saw there is a worst of the worst thread and read through a couple of pages and only saw a couple worst moms mentioned.

I'll start with worst mom since she's fresh in my mind the Ortiz wife that poisoned her husband and kidnapped her son. Later her son physically assaulted his father years after she poisoned him. Also Paloma's mom was terrible. I don't even need to explain that one for those that saw it. The mom of christophe day robbed his father of seeing his son and didn't even inform him that he was ill. Of corse I could of also went the Bradford bishop route(people that killed their children)

Best parents There are so many to mention and I hope we get to all of them, but I'll start with Steve sandlins mom and dad. Seeing steves dad gleaming with smiles when he talks about Steve shows how proud of Steve that he is and I always felt he and his ex wife were honest and deserve justice.

Worst grandparent the maples are the first to come to mind. According to wikia the baskin adult children have no relationship with their parents.

Best grandparent that comes to mind is nick scoobish's grandmother. Did she raise him? Christi Nichols' grandmother who raises the point that Christies abusive husband didn't ask if she heard from her when she allegedly left mark.



Weirdest family feud was the family that argues over whether or not a husband killed his wife I can't remember the names? It's the guy that that fled from police and returned but was never charged. The whole case was bizarre. The parents were strangely possessive and the husband was arrogant and very weird.



It would be nice to get updates on these and further mentioned cases.

Weirdest family feud was the family that argues over whether or not a husband killed his wife I can't remember the names? It's the guy that that fled from police and returned but was never charged. The whole case was bizarre. The parents were strangely possessive and the husband was arrogant and very weird.

Sounds like my good buddy Paul Pollis. Are you referring to the Charlotte Pollis disappearance? He fled and left a letter to the effect of "I love my wife and would never hurt her intentionally." Paul was also very arrogant and strange. Charlotte's mom was also nice and crazy.

Sounds like my good buddy Paul Pollis. Are you referring to the Charlotte Pollis disappearance? He fled and left a letter to the effect of "I love my wife and would never hurt her intentionally." Paul was also very arrogant and strange. Charlotte's mom was also nice and crazy.
That would be it! Thanks. I know if I thought someone murdered my daughter id probably go crazy on them. She was one of the more passionate family members ever profiled and by contrast Paul and his family seemed in a weird way calm despite losing their loved one.

She WAS passionate-- to the point I feared the child had been coached. In any case, Paul Pollis is insane. If you search the threads, he allegedly appeared on the boards and defended himself to no avail. One of my all-time UM favorites.

Worst Grandparents-- Definitely the Baskins.
Worst Mom-- Marie Hilley
Worst Husband-- Paul Pollis/Stephen Marfeo/Mark Nichols

She WAS passionate-- to the point I feared the child had been coached. In any case, Paul Pollis is insane. If you search the threads, he allegedly appeared on the boards and defended himself to no avail. One of my all-time UM favorites.

Worst Grandparents-- Definitely the Baskins.
Worst Mom-- Marie Hilley
Worst Husband-- Paul Pollis/Stephen Marfeo/Mark Nichols oh really I will be searching for that thread. I do vaguely remember the coaching angle. I guess that could fall under the worst grandparent list if it's indeed true. But at what point do you engage your grandchild about their mothers alleged murder? I feel for those children to not only lose their mom but to be caught in that family feud. How do you cope

I'm with everyone regarding Charlotte Pollis's mom. I'm fairly certain that Paul did it, but yeah, the woman's a little nuts. Apparently she and Charlotte talked upwards of 10-12 times a day on the phone. I love my mom but I can't possibly imagine calling her that much. It makes me wonder how much independence Charlotte had.

I'm with everyone regarding Charlotte Pollis's mom. I'm fairly certain that Paul did it, but yeah, the woman's a little nuts. Apparently she and Charlotte talked upwards of 10-12 times a day on the phone. I love my mom but I can't possibly imagine calling her that much. It makes me wonder how much independence Charlotte had.
Ok I'm starting to remember why she seemed strangely possessive.

How about Jeffrey MacDonald and Darlie Routier? Killing your children is pretty bad...

How about Jeffrey MacDonald and Darlie Routier? Killing your children is pretty bad...
Yes it is I mentioned the bishop family in my first one. Sadly I don't even know if I could list every one that was featured that killed their own children. That means there are too many.

How about Jeffrey MacDonald and Darlie Routier? Killing your children is pretty bad...
Ironically on another thread those two are among the most innocent that were ever featured.

Ok I'm starting to remember why she seemed strangely possessive.


And didn't she kidnap her granddaughter but NOT her grandson?

Speaking of worst husband, Dave Davis (murdered his wife Shannon Mohr) died 2 months ago back in November in a prison hospital.

Worst Parents: Marie Hilley, Sharon Stevens' father (his name slipped my mind), Victor Simon's adoptive parents, Art Silva, Ora Prince, and the Maples (I know they're the grandparents, but look what they did to their own daughter).

Best parents: Kim Swartz, Susan Billig (and her husband), the Bradleys, Duncan Gilmore, Ross Hoffman, and many, many more. Most of the parents on UM were great.

Weirdest parents:

*Not parents, but Wanda Jean Mays' aunt and uncle seemed a little off. Why were they screaming and hollering and freaking out at 5:30 in the morning trying to break down the door? Even if she had to get up for work, that seems like an overreaction. This could possibly have contributed to the panic attack. I know they were well meaning, but I found that strange.
*Charlotte Nagi calling her daughter 14 times a day and calling early after her daughter had been up late.
*In the Dakota Double Death segment, the survivor's dad knew they were drinking and still let them drive off. I found this weird, but at least he discouraged them from taking the little girl.
*Guillermo Bonilla. First the John Lennon reincarnation thing, then watching his daughter in class through the windows? Total weirdo.

Worst Parents: Marie Hilley, Sharon Stevens' father (his name slipped my mind), Victor Simon's adoptive parents, Art Silva, Ora Prince, and the Maples (I know they're the grandparents, but look what they did to their own daughter).

Best parents: Kim Swartz, Susan Billig (and her husband), the Bradleys, Duncan Gilmore, Ross Hoffman, and many, many more. Most of the parents on UM were great.

Weirdest parents:

*Not parents, but Wanda Jean Mays' aunt and uncle seemed a little off. Why were they screaming and hollering and freaking out at 5:30 in the morning trying to break down the door? Even if she had to get up for work, that seems like an overreaction. This could possibly have contributed to the panic attack. I know they were well meaning, but I found that strange.
*Charlotte Nagi calling her daughter 14 times a day and calling early after her daughter had been up late.
*In the Dakota Double Death segment, the survivor's dad knew they were drinking and still let them drive off. I found this weird, but at least he discouraged them from taking the little girl.
*Guillermo Bonilla. First the John Lennon reincarnation thing, then watching his daughter in class through the windows? Total weirdo.
Wow Duncan Gilmore I forgot about him. What a great story that was. There are a lot of lost love cases like that where one parent got left out so you can have a best and worst parent in one. How about the English woman Delia(Goldie)that was forced to give up her baby and her dad not even looking at the baby? Well kudos to her for searching for her and reuniting.

Marie Hilley has to be the most evil mom ever featured. She went Elizabeth Ortiz on her whole family and unfortunately was a little smarter and it helped her get away with more than one attack.

The 14 phone calls per day is weird. Obsess much! And didn't she herself say she calls 14 times per day? And I do remember the Dakota double death. You are right he was a good grandfather for not letting his grandchild go but why did he let his kids drive blitzed in those elements? To his defense he may not have been able to stop them. I need to look into those others to see if I've seen them. They sound vaugely familiar.

And didn't she kidnap her granddaughter but NOT her grandson?
That I do not remember I need to rewatch this one. Most of the time I've focused more on Paul because he was such a jerk in the segment and I just kind of noticed the parents to be strange on both sides.

There are a lot of lost love cases like that where one parent got left out so you can have a best and worst parent in one.

The deaf girl whose stepfather chased her real father off when she was five, he showed up at her school when she was 13 and then left, and her mother kept them apart for years.

Weirdest definitely Georgia Ann Boyd. She's harassed by someone and tells her current husband her ex is after their kids. After her death he runs a picture on a TV station in a town where she lived to obtain further information. It airs once and he is then told to leave town and forget he ever knew her. He goes on UM, her ex, the father of his stepkids, turns up, is perfectly nice and had no idea of where his children were the whole time so can't have been behind the harassment. UM then pretends the whole thing was a Lost Loves case and now that the bio dad reunited with his kids all is solved. What the??? :crazy:

Bob Bean, as Danny Wheeler pointed out, absolutely horrible, coaching his "little infant children" to say they witnessed Sammy Wheeler's murder so Bob could blame Danny and/or Pat when the killer turned out to be a stranger. ohno:

Special mention should be made of the grandparents of Dustin Johnson. After their son, Dennis Keith Smith, served time for killing his sister/Dustin's mother, they let Dennis move in with them while Dustin was still living there! You can't accuse them of not being supportive parents, but they definitely deserve a "worst grandparents" nomination.

I made a UM's best mom's thread awhile back. Meg made one for UM's best dads.

I've always held a particular hatred for Ora Prince. Perhaps some of it's the ******** faces she makes in those pictures, but mostly it is her actions. I mean that poor kid, just when it seemed like they were going to move up in life, she does that to him. I found an article online that said people that knew her said she felt her son was a "burden" and never returned any of the affection he gave her. I was elated to find the article that said she was captured.

Time has shifted my stance in the Paul Pollis case to "undecided." Charlotte's family is clearly insane and come across as the type to make mountains out of mole hills. I think most of what they say is greatly exaggerated.

Worst son: Tim McClure.

Worst daughter: Cheryl Holland.

I can't answer for worst mom because, while there were some horrible ones on there, they all pale in comparison to Theresa Knorr, who was never profiled on UM. She blows them all out of the water.

Worst parents: Jeffrey MacDonald & Darlie Routier
Worst Son-in-Law: Larry Race
Weirdest Parents: Mother of Blair Adams and father of Bonnie Haim
Best parents: pretty much every adoptive or foster family featured on the "Lost Loves" segments
Worst grandparents: The Maples

Not to get too off-topic, but I always believed in Larry Race's innocence. I've detailed them in the Larry Race thread, but a few of the big sticking points for me were that Debby's own parents believed he was innocent, and Larry seeking out an inspection of his boat.

I mean, most parents would have shouted from the mountaintops if they even had a doubt about their in-laws innocence. And if Larry was trying to kill his wife and pass it off as boat problems, why would he seek out an inspection of the boat? The whole mystery of the two rafts could have been easily cleared up there. That one moron in the segment refused to inspect it, but claimed Larry was overzealous about it being inspected. Whatever.

I also liked the Zielinskis, regardless of what that nincompoop wrote online about them being "abusive."

One of the worst grandparents: Joe and Kay Petrallia (Jeff Lee's parents and Kristi Lee's in-laws). I know opinions differ on their guilt, but I do think that they had involvement in Kristi's murder.

As far as the Nagis and the Pollis', I was far more put off by the behavior of Paul's parents. Their daughter in law is suddenly missing, and instead of looking for her, they're over at their son's house cleaning (the investigator even made note of how unusually clean the house was ). Also the comments that Paul's mother made, "To think that anyone would think that of us....We're not that type of people," Not what I'd consider a straightforward denial.

Also the comments that Paul's mother made, "To think that anyone would think that of us....We're not that type of people," Not what I'd consider a straightforward denial.

"Oh, that's just ludicrous!" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And not to jump on Wiseguy's OT comment, but I totally agree re: Larry Race. I need to re-watch/re-read the facts of his case, but I never got the impression he did it.

Not to get too off-topic, but I always believed in Larry Race's innocence. I've detailed them in the Larry Race thread, but a few of the big sticking points for me were that Debby's own parents believed he was innocent, and Larry seeking out an inspection of his boat.

For me it was the fact that the boat had a history of operational problems and had gone under prior to the evening in question--and IIRC, Larry's own children were on the watercraft at the time of the first sinking.

I also think the "raft evidence" is tenuous. Without going on and on about it, the raft could have sustained damage and/or deterioration that could mimic the appearance of knife slashes.

My worst son-in-law nomination would go to Dave Davis. I loved how Lucille Mohr never once let up on him once she realized what had happened. What a creep.

One mother who really freaked me out was Tracy Davis. The way she treated her daughter Camela and her bizarre abduction of her own grandson from his own bed was indicative of a pretty demented mind.

Pat Fagan is another awful mother who comes to mind.

Best sister: Dawna Dickens. Not sure if UM took dramatic license with what happened to Larry Dickens (actually, I think they downplayed it,) but I totally don't blame her for screaming at Edward Bell in the police car. Nor do I blame her and her mother for wanting to be there when they finally brought him back to the states in handcuffs.

Worst Brother: Cedric Young. If he really committed the crime and let his identical twin go down for it-- man, that's harsh.

How about people who got killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time with people whose relatives wanted them dead?

Chad Noe and his relatives were the family from hell.

That son who went to his father to ask for help with medical bills. The father didn't just say no, but not only killed his son but killed the friend who was with his son!

Tex Sherwood, if it is true that he kidnapped his son Clifford, and Clifford's friend Georges was with him, and was never seen again, may well have killed Georges, but it looks as if something else may have happened to them and his ex just portrayed it that way.

For me it was the fact that the boat had a history of operational problems and had gone under prior to the evening in question--and IIRC, Larry's own children were on the watercraft at the time of the first sinking.

I also think the "raft evidence" is tenuous. Without going on and on about it, the raft could have sustained damage and/or deterioration that could mimic the appearance of knife slashes.

You're right Meg, I remember talking about that first point. Additionally, it was determined by an expert that the boat would have intermittent starting problems. I know when Larry said the boat wouldn't start, they got off, then he got back and it started -- that was probably something that looked bad, but was probably innocuous.

That I do not remember I need to rewatch this one. Most of the time I've focused more on Paul because he was such a jerk in the segment and I just kind of noticed the parents to be strange on both sides.

It wasn't in the segment. It happened a few years after Charlotte went missing. Here's an article from before she was recovered. http://www.vindy.com/news/2002/aug/05/region-officials-remind-parents-and-kids-of-ways/

It wasn't in the segment. It happened a few years after Charlotte went missing. Here's an article from before she was recovered. http://www.vindy.com/news/2002/aug/05/region-officials-remind-parents-and-kids-of-ways/
Wow I never knew that. I browsed through some of the threads on here too about her disappearance.

How about people who got killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time with people whose relatives wanted them dead?

Chad Noe and his relatives were the family from hell.

That son who went to his father to ask for help with medical bills. The father didn't just say no, but not only killed his son but killed the friend who was with his son!

Tex Sherwood, if it is true that he kidnapped his son Clifford, and Clifford's friend Georges was with him, and was never seen again, may well have killed Georges, but it looks as if something else may have happened to them and his ex just portrayed it that way.tex Clifford was strange. I remember the scene where he comes home late asking for his hot plate. One of the more jerk scenes in UM. Bad husband for sure.

The noe family. Yeah even before the latest updates that one was always hard to watch. They may be the worst family ever featured.

Not to get too off-topic, but I always believed in Larry Race's innocence. I've detailed them in the Larry Race thread, but a few of the big sticking points for me were that Debby's own parents believed he was innocent, and Larry seeking out an inspection of his boat.

I mean, most parents would have shouted from the mountaintops if they even had a doubt about their in-laws innocence. And if Larry was trying to kill his wife and pass it off as boat problems, why would he seek out an inspection of the boat? The whole mystery of the two rafts could have been easily cleared up there. That one moron in the segment refused to inspect it, but claimed Larry was overzealous about it being inspected. Whatever.

I also liked the Zielinskis, regardless of what that nincompoop wrote online about them being "abusive."yeah Larry race was a tough case. I never felt one way or the other but it does look better for him that Her parents stood by him and as pointed out there is evidence that the boat had issues. Obviously the life raft is hard to pin point. It wouldnt be the first life raft that had rips or tears in it or failed. I don't quite remember the life raft other than he was accused of slashing it. Was his case feature in other shows? I feel like I watched it somewhere else besides UM.

Best sister: Dawna Dickens. Not sure if UM took dramatic license with what happened to Larry Dickens (actually, I think they downplayed it,) but I totally don't blame her for screaming at Edward Bell in the police car. Nor do I blame her and her mother for wanting to be there when they finally brought him back to the states in handcuffs.

Worst Brother: Cedric Young. If he really committed the crime and let his identical twin go down for it-- man, that's harsh.
No doubt about the young family. And it was noble of their mom to step in and honestly support her innocent son. It must have been hard for her. Looking at the tv show they came on it was strange to see guilt on his face and still see him deny it. I probably only saw that once on lifetime in about 03/04 time frame.

And you are right about the best sister. She was so strong and you could tell how much she loves her brother.

No doubt about the young family. And it was noble of their mom to step in and honestly support her innocent son. It must have been hard for her. Looking at the tv show they came on it was strange to see guilt on his face and still see him deny it. I probably only saw that once on lifetime in about 03/04 time frame.

That excerpt of the talk show shown on the UM episode is the most blatant example of fake crying I think I've ever seen on television. It was amazing to me.

That excerpt of the talk show shown on the UM episode is the most blatant example of fake crying I think I've ever seen on television. It was amazing to me.
Yeah watching it made it obvious of his guilt. And I'm just like dude be a man for once and own what you did. you've made them suffer long enough. If they were really lying cedric would be that guy that would blow up and go off on them but that wasn't the case obviously.

If they were really lying cedric would be that guy that would blow up and go off on them but that wasn't the case obviously.

I thought the exact same thing. I also always thought he just seems like the type that would kick and scream til kingdom come if the tables were turned and HE had been put in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

Worst Husband: Chad Noe

Worst Father: Franklin Delano Floyd, hands down. He's on my list (and it's a very short list) of people for whom I hope there is a hell, just so I can watch them burn. Yeah, need to think of a shorter name for that list.

Worst Husband: Chad Noe

Worst Father: Franklin Delano Floyd, hands down. He's on my list (and it's a very short list) of people for whom I hope there is a hell, just so I can watch them burn. Yeah, need to think of a shorter name for that list.

"Burn in Hell" list. :)

"Burn in Hell" list. :)

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Worst Husband: Chad Noe

Worst Father: Franklin Delano Floyd, hands down. He's on my list (and it's a very short list) of people for whom I hope there is a hell, just so I can watch them burn. Yeah, need to think of a shorter name for that list.


Seconded on worst husband. There were a lot of rotten husbands who were obviously responsible for their partner's demise, but there's a special place in hell for this guy.

And putting the "father" part aside, Franklin Delano Floyd meets my criteria for "Worst Human Being."

I kind of got a "weird" vibe from Cindy James's mother. Can't quite explain it, but I did.

Worst Husband: Chad Noe

Worst Father: Franklin Delano Floyd, hands down. He's on my list (and it's a very short list) of people for whom I hope there is a hell, just so I can watch them burn. Yeah, need to think of a shorter name for that list.

I'd like to propose the name "I'll make s'mores" for your list.

I kind of got a "weird" vibe from Cindy James's mother. Can't quite explain it, but I did.

I agree with you on this. I've always attributed that to her being defensive about the fact that people (I'm looking at that smarmy reporter from the segment here) believe the Cindy was lying about the abuse she received and thought she was staging the incidents herself.

Most idiotic parent ever: The parent in the Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Bruguier case who let her kid leave in a Car after they said something along the lines of "We're just drinking and driving around and stuff". WTF? I'd have that kid back inside so fast their head would spin! :eek:

Worst Husband: Chad Noe

Worst Father: Franklin Delano Floyd, hands down. He's on my list (and it's a very short list) of people for whom I hope there is a hell, just so I can watch them burn. Yeah, need to think of a shorter name for that list.
Hard to argue that.

The deaf girl whose stepfather chased her real father off when she was five, he showed up at her school when she was 13 and then left, and her mother kept them apart for years.

Weirdest definitely Georgia Ann Boyd. She's harassed by someone and tells her current husband her ex is after their kids. After her death he runs a picture on a TV station in a town where she lived to obtain further information. It airs once and he is then told to leave town and forget he ever knew her. He goes on UM, her ex, the father of his stepkids, turns up, is perfectly nice and had no idea of where his children were the whole time so can't have been behind the harassment. UM then pretends the whole thing was a Lost Loves case and now that the bio dad reunited with his kids all is solved. What the??? :crazy:

Bob Bean, as Danny Wheeler pointed out, absolutely horrible, coaching his "little infant children" to say they witnessed Sammy Wheeler's murder so Bob could blame Danny and/or Pat when the killer turned out to be a stranger. ohno:
The whole bob bean Danny wheeler segment was a fail. Maybe not by UM but the people that were featured blaming one another like that. I kind of feel like the Eric T. Segment is the same.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/20/prosecutors-new-dna-testing-differentiates-between-identical-twins-some/


I wonder if this could solve the Frederick Cedric issue. Even if it is just to clear his name.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/20/prosecutors-new-dna-testing-differentiates-between-identical-twins-some/


I wonder if this could solve the Frederick Cedric issue. Even if it is just to clear his name.
Interesting link. The only problem is that I don't think any DNA was at the crime scene. I thought he was just convicted based on the eyewitness testimony and the gun being in his car.

How can you talk to someone upwards of 12 times a day on the phone?!!?!

Wouldn't you run out of topics at some point?

How can you talk to someone upwards of 12 times a day on the phone?!!?!

Wouldn't you run out of topics at some point? I thought when she said that she pretty much threw herself under the bus on national tv.

O.K., someone needs to help me with some names here from an episode that aired during the CBS years. (The CBS years I didn't watch religiously like the NBC years so I didn't see it until years later when it was rerun on Lifetime.)

It happened in Canada but I can't remember the exact specifics. I think a man killed his sister-in-law, went to prison for only a couple years then somehow got paroled, and when he got out of jail, the father (or grandparents) took him in to their house. So a boy had to grow up living in the same house with the man who killed his mother.

Someone please help me out here. I was mortified when I heard of that living arrangement.

It's Dennis Keith Smith.

He killed his sister when her son (his nephew) was on a weekend visit with his father. Then, when he was paroled, he lived in the same house with him. The son later believed his uncle to be Carolyn Killaby's murderer. He was right.

Here's the UM wiki page (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Dennis_Keith_Smith).

It's Dennis Keith Smith.

He killed his sister when her son (his nephew) was on a weekend visit with his father. Then, when he was paroled, he lived in the same house with him. The son later believed his uncle to be Carolyn Killaby's murderer. He was right.

Here's the UM wiki page (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Dennis_Keith_Smith).

That's it. Thank you. I think you have to put the grandparents in as a nomination for worst grandparents. I'm sure it had to be psychologically damaging for Dustin to live in the same house with that man. I don't know what the hell good they thought would come from that.

I wonder how Dustin is doing these days.

That's it. Thank you. I think you have to put the grandparents in as a nomination for worst grandparents. I'm sure it had to be psychologically damaging for Dustin to live in the same house with that man. I don't know what the hell good they thought would come from that.

I wonder how Dustin is doing these days.
Agreed. According to the UM wiki, the grandmother doesn't believe her son was guilty of killing Carolyn Killaby. :rolleyes: Riiiiight.

How can you talk to someone upwards of 12 times a day on the phone?!!?!

Wouldn't you run out of topics at some point?

Totally with you on that. I mean I love my mom, I really do, but even when I was separated from her, I didn't call her upwards of 12 times a day. When I heard that little factoid, I found myself wondering, "Okay what kind of clingy Norman Bates-style relationship did you have?"

Worst parents: Alice Aruda-Vieira who pretty much forced her to marry her cousin & didnt want her to divorce him when she was getting abused. Im glad she was able to get away but what kind of parent is ok with you staying in a marriage where you are getting beat up? If I remember correctly, they were very religious as well. That might have something to do with it since some religions see divorce as a sin

Best Parents:Terrible with names again. They ran a gas station and their niece ended up killing them to get money out of them. Even though they werent her parents, it seemed as though they considered and loved her as a daughter.

Weirdest Parents: Missy Mundays mom for saying she aint no whore.. (was it her who said that? lol)

Best Parents:Terrible with names again. They ran a gas station and their niece ended up killing them to get money out of them. Even though they werent her parents, it seemed as though they considered and loved her as a daughter.

The niece you are referring to is Cheryl Holland.

Worst parents: Alice Aruda-Vieira who pretty much forced her to marry her cousin & didnt want her to divorce him when she was getting abused. Im glad she was able to get away but what kind of parent is ok with you staying in a marriage where you are getting beat up? If I remember correctly, they were very religious as well. That might have something to do with it since some religions see divorce as a sin
Yes, her parents made me angry as well. Obviously, that was part of their culture/religion to not divorce. However, I don't think any good, decent parent could ever put their culture over their child when their child is getting the crap kicked out of her and given death threats by her husband. Alice herself I would label under "Best parent" because she defied her husband not only for her own sake, but for her children, too. It's terrible that she didn't last long before David got his revenge.

Best Parents:Terrible with names again. They ran a gas station and their niece ended up killing them to get money out of them. Even though they werent her parents, it seemed as though they considered and loved her as a daughter.
That was Joe and Mattie Harvey, murdered by their niece, Cheryl Holland. They were definitely a good aunt and uncle, and were tragically taken advantage of by Cheryl. She was so heartless to do that to them. Why didn't she just ask for financial help if she needed money so badly?

Weirdest Parents: Missy Mundays mom for saying she aint no whore.. (was it her who said that? lol)
Yep, that's the one. :lol: "Missy never did lie to me."

My reaction:
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A few more came to mind:

What about John harden? I feel bad the guy had his truck set on fire & he got shot but he just up & left his wife. His ex wife did mention his love for his children & it made me question if he left her to be a single mother as well?

Sorry if she's mentioned but Betty Field is my top pick for worst parent... & her husband Bill Day gets best parent. He went to the extreme to find his son & his b*tch of an ex wife took away his son. (Who eventually died of cancer & his father never got to see him) I don't know how Betty Field can live with herself

A few more came to mind:

What about John harden? I feel bad the guy had his truck set on fire & he got shot but he just up & left his wife. His ex wife did mention his love for his children & it made me question if he left her to be a single mother as well?

I think it's possible that he had dual custody or was very generous with child support. It speaks volume that his ex-wife was so gracious and praised him despite him leaving her. She was adamant that he was a very loving father.

Sorry if she's mentioned but Betty Field is my top pick for worst parent... & her husband Bill Day gets best parent. He went to the extreme to find his son & his b*tch of an ex wife took away his son. (Who eventually died of cancer & his father never got to see him) I don't know how Betty Field can live with herself
Can't argue with this. She did a despicable thing, especially after Billy was so amicable when they separated. It's even been theorized that she lied about the son dying, but that seems a bit extreme even for her. I feel so bad for Bill Day.

Can't argue with this. She did a despicable thing, especially after Billy was so amicable when they separated. It's even been theorized that she lied about the son dying, but that seems a bit extreme even for her. I feel so bad for Bill Day.

It sounds extreme, yes. And yet, it still sounds like something she would do. I wouldn't put it past her.

If she didn't lie about him dying of leukemia, she still made no effort to contact Bill about the death for years and only let him know because he tracked her down.

And the truly ironic thing is that Bill's step-daughter said it was Betty's mother, of all people, that contacted them and said Betty was probably lying about Christophe dying. This is the same woman who knew where they were hiding all those years and most likely helped them out. Why suddenly come forward after two decades and say this? Did she finally develop a conscience or did she have a falling out with her daughter?

It sounds extreme, yes. And yet, it still sounds like something she would do. I wouldn't put it past her.

If she didn't lie about him dying of leukemia, she still made no effort to contact Bill about the death for years and only let him know because he tracked her down.

And the truly ironic thing is that Bill's step-daughter said it was Betty's mother, of all people, that contacted them and said Betty was probably lying about Christophe dying. This is the same woman who knew where they were hiding all those years and most likely helped them out. Why suddenly come forward after two decades and say this? Did she finally develop a conscience or did she have a falling out with her daughter?

I didn't know that her mother had contacted them! Very interesting

This has to be the saddest of updates ever profiled by UM at least when I watched it the first time.. The first time I saw this was on lifetime in 03 and I saw the update thinking he would have a reunion with his son only to see the typed message by UM.

This has to be the saddest of updates ever profiled by UM at least when I watched it the first time.. The first time I saw this was on lifetime in 03 and I saw the update thinking he would have a reunion with his son only to see the typed message by UM.

I first saw the case when it originally aired on NBC as a little kid. But I had the same reaction to the typed out update as you. Something that always stuck with me was that Christophe was born the same year I was.

As a matter of fact, all of the children featured in the family abduction segments during the epic years of UM seemed to be in my age bracket. Christophe Day, Christi and Bobby Baskin (Christi was also born the same year I was), Charles and Christopher Smith.

The pictures shown of them in the segments, the hair, the clothes, etc. is like looking at pictures of my own childhood. For instance, when I was in first grade, I had my picture taken in front of the Declaration of Independence with my arm placed on the rocking chair just like the Baskin kids. Those professional shots of the Smith kids on the brown fuzzy floor look just like the countless pictures my parents had taken of me and my sister at Sears every year from toddler years to kindergarten.

Their stories were bizarre and sad enough but knowing these kids were my age made it feel more real. And impossible to forget.

Sorry, I've really gone off topic here.

I first saw the case when it originally aired on NBC as a little kid. But I had the same reaction to the typed out update as you. Something that always stuck with me was that Christophe was born the same year I was.

As a matter of fact, all of the children featured in the family abduction segments during the epic years of UM seemed to be in my age bracket. Christophe Day, Christi and Bobby Baskin (Christi was also born the same year I was), Charles and Christopher Smith.

The pictures shown of them in the segments, the hair, the clothes, etc. is like looking at pictures of my own childhood. For instance, when I was in first grade, I had my picture taken in front of the Declaration of Independence with my arm placed on the rocking chair just like the Baskin kids. Those professional shots of the Smith kids on the brown fuzzy floor look just like the countless pictures my parents had taken of me and my sister at Sears every year from toddler years to kindergarten.

Their stories were bizarre and sad enough but knowing these kids were my age made it feel more real. And impossible to forget.

Sorry, I've really gone off topic here.thanks for sharing that. I just wish I wouldn't have had such a long hiatus in the 90s. When UM was on NBC in the 90s I was too scared to watch. I only watched randomly from 89-92/93 and stopped after watching the ih 70 seg. Then when it went to cable I couldn't watch because I never had cable in those years. Finally when I moved out on my own and got cable I started watching again in 2003. Christophe was one of the first lost love cases that I saw. I'll never forget how sad it was.

One mother who really freaked me out was Tracy Davis. The way she treated her daughter Camela and her bizarre abduction of her own grandson from his own bed was indicative of a pretty demented mind.


Yes, this one was pretty disturbing. Three of her daughters posted in another thread, and one mentioned that she tried abducting John again after the UM segment and even stalked them! Reading this thread again, I see she even shot and killed one of her boyfriends!She was acquitted because she claimed it was self-defense.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=130621

I'm nowhere near as familiar with the UM cases as other people on this forum, but two people immediately popped into my head as worst parents:

Worst mother - Marie Hilley
Worst father - Dennis DePue

Yes, this one was pretty disturbing. Three of her daughters posted in another thread, and one mentioned that she tried abducting John again after the UM segment and even stalked them! Reading this thread again, I see she even shot and killed one of her boyfriends!She was acquitted because she claimed it was self-defense.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=130621

Damn! :eek: