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neognosis

12-06-2014, 11:01 PM

My interest in UM I learned of both DPJD and the i70 killer.
http://unsolved.com/archives/i-70-serial-killer
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Interstate_70_Killer

: Interstate 70 runs from Baltimore, Maryland to Cove Fort, Utah. Beginning in April 1992, the highway has lent its name to a serial killer known as the "Interstate 70 Killer," who has committed a string of murders within a few miles of it in several Midwestern states. The first victim was Robin Fuldauer, 26, who was killed April 8, 1992 at a Payless ShoeSource store in Indianapolis, Indiana. Three days later, Patricia Magers, 32, and Patricia Smith, 23, were slain in a Wichita, Kansas bridal shop. On May 3, 1992, Nancy Kitzmiller, 24, was going to start a government job when she was murdered at a Western boot shop in St. Charles, a suburb of St. Louis. Missouri. Sarah Blessing 37, was slain in a gift shop at a local mall in the Kansas City suburb of Raytown four days later on May 7. At 3:30pm, an auctioneer saw a mysterious unidentified man walk in and out of his store suspiciously. Minutes later, Tim Hickman, who owned a video store next to Sarah saw a man walk past his store and went into the gift shop. He then heard a loud pop and saw the man walk around the corner near the store. A grocery clerk collecting shopping carts saw the man climb a hill to Interstate 70 and vanish. Meanwhile, Tim went into the gift shop and found Sarah's body. Ballistics test confirmed that all women were killed by the same person, and the gun was linked to another victim. On April 27, 1992, ceramics store clerk Michael 'Mick' McCown was murdered in Terre Haute, Indiana, possibly because he was mistaken for a woman.

There are also possible links to four more deaths along Interstates 35 and 45 in Texas. On Sept. 25, 1993, antiques store clerk Mary Ann Glasscock, 51, was killed execution-style in an Fort Worth, Texas antique store and Amy Vess, 22, was murdered Nov. 1, 1993, while working at a dancewear shop in Arlington, Texas. Witnesses describe the killer as a thin white man, 5' 7" to 5' 9," mid-20s to early 30s, with sandy blond hair with a reddish tint and day-old beard stubble. The best lead in the case came from Witchita in the Smith/Majors murder. Shortly after the two were shot, a man came to pick up a cummerbund for his tuxedo and was confronted by the killer. Surprisingly, he let the eyewitness leave without injury. The man went to police and helped create a composite of the killer.

all save one were women killed by gun shot. It is believed he is a serial killer and a thrill killer.

http://youtu.be/4j90zASoDpo

My interest in DPJD led me to Caledonia Jane Doe.

On the morning of November 9, 1979, a farmer in Caledonia saw red clothing in one of his corn fields and went to investigate, believing that he had spotted a trespassing hunter. In the field he found the body of a young girl.[5][9] Police arrived on scene at 10:04 am.[10]

The girl, later named "Caledonia Jane Doe" or "Cali Doe" by investigators, was fully clothed. Her body showed no signs of sexual assault. She died from severe hemorrhage caused by two gunshot wounds, one to the head over the right eye and one to the back. Her pockets had been turned inside out, suggesting that if she carried any identification, her killer had removed it.[5][6]

Caledonia Jane Doe's autopsy indicated that she had first been shot in the head while next to the road bordering the corn field, at or near a blood spot found on the ground. Her body was then dragged into the corn field, where she was shot again in the back and left for dead on November 8, 1979. Heavy rains on the night of her death washed away much potential forensic evidence.[5][6][9]

Caledonia Jane Doe had been dumped about 20 feet (6 m) from the south side of U.S. Route 20 and 0.5 miles (0.8 km) from the intersection of U.S. Route 20 with New York State Route 5. The location of the site is approximately 42.917363°N 77.776299°W, less than half a mile from the town of Caledonia's border with the town of Avon, about 23 miles (37 km) southwest of Rochester, New York and about 10 miles (16 km) south of the New York State Thruway (Interstate 90 section).

Police believe the murder weapon to have been a .38-caliber handgun. Investigators located a spent slug in the dirt underneath the unidentified girl's body, which they compared forensically to hundreds of other bullets fired from confiscated weapons. Despite the efforts of investigators to trace weapons from the United States, Canada, Europe, and Mexico, the slug has not been matched to a specific gun.[5]

As Caledonia, New York, sits a driving distance of approximately 75 miles (120 km) from the United States–Canada border via the New York State Thruway and Interstate 90, the possibility remains that Caledonia Jane Doe may have been Canadian rather than American or Mexican.[6] Interstate 90 also runs from coast to coast within the United States, beginning in Seattle, Washington and ending in Boston, Massachusetts.

the gun is different, .22 vs .38 but it is known that i70 killer used different guns with different calibers. victims were females or thought to be females.

DanCart

12-07-2014, 12:29 AM

neognosis

12-07-2014, 12:52 AM

Two interesting cases you bring up but before we even delve deeper there is one spanner in the works , Caledonia Doe was shot in 1979 and the I-70 killings start in 1992 , thats a 13 year difference ......the witness description and police estimate the I_70 killer to be around mid 20`s to mid-30`s around 1992 ...... so you have to believe in the upper end of that age bracket to try and fit the I-70 killer into the picture of the caledonia doe case

Victimology is broadly similar but I am being very liberal with the word broadly here :D , I am not quite convinced of a connection unless you have more details to suggest one ?

there are lots and lots of jane does who were murdered between 1979 and 1992 i.e

highway of tears
http://youtu.be/ICUFEhUe4lE

there are personal reasons, i.e he got married after 1979 but divorced by 1992.

if Caledonia Jane Do is Tammy Jo Alexander, we can infer that she met her killer at a truck stop and was a trucker, and told her he's heading to Boston. Tammy's parents owned a truck stop and she grew up around truckers.
She was shot in the front, in the head, with no sign of struggle or defensive wounds. The Lima Diner waitress said

9. DINER RELATED - What was the name of the Diner ( in LIMA?)? How far from where she was found? Was she wearing the same outfit when at the diner? Since the waitress described the guy she was with, did they act like they knew each other?

A - Lima Diner was the name. The distance from where she was found to the Diner is just under 9 miles. The waitress noted the red jacket that appeared too big for her. The waitress noted that she appeared younger than the male she was with and the waitress assumed maybe they were brother and sister. She did not note any unusual behavior between the two.

https://www.facebook.com/CaledoniaNYJD1979/notes

Caledonia is estimated to be 16 and if the waitress thought they were brother and sister, then he was a young man in 1979.

One victim of i70 who survived said the man was very friendly and talkative no unusual behavior, none, just another customer when suddenly and without warning he shot her (granted this was in 1992)
.
http://youtu.be/4j90zASoDpo

Tammy's personality as “ very outgoing, not a shy bone in her body.”

https://charleyross.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/charleys-facebook-page/

i70 killer traveled many states on i70 over a wide geographical area.

Tammy/Caledonia was seen as a hitchhiker.

mode of killing, using a gun is the same. no apparent sexual interest. he is classified as a thrill kill.

2014 - year that Caledonia Jane doe was solved, and year her murderer is named.

i70 killer sketch
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mMQkhR_DvuU/T9vwpexOV5I/AAAAAAAAAHo/P_0yDXGKDgo/s320/I-70+Serial+Killer.jpg

JD's killer sketch
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Cali_Doe_person_of_interest.jpg

DanCart

12-07-2014, 04:06 PM

neognosis

12-07-2014, 08:26 PM

The way caledonia doe was shot with no apparent signs of motive and/or sexual interest is quite unusual and makes me wonder ....

The trouble I have here is that the waitress description of the man with caledonia doe is very vague from published accounts, no age estimate, the sketch depicts a man with spectacles and our I-70 killer doesnt seem to wear any and has reddish-brown hair from descriptions.

The composite of the man seen with caledonia doe does hint at a possible receding hairline and yet the I-70 doesnt show any based on the composite from the witness. The other thing is its not quite 100% certain if the man seen with caledonia doe at the Lima diner is even the killer so its tight one trying to make a definitive connection in these cases....

The nature of the attacks on the victims do have some distant parallels but if delved deeper its a bit 50/50. What I have found perplexing about the I-70 killer is the limited amount of information available on the Texas killings in 1994 ......

basically it's based on 1-victims were all women save one and
2- as you say

The way caledonia doe was shot with no apparent signs of motive and/or sexual interest is quite unusual and makes me wonder ....

The nature of the attacks on the victims do have some distant parallels but if delved deeper its a bit 50/50.

Law enforcement eventually linked this shocking crime to the I-70 serial killer through shell casings left behind at the scene. This cold-blooded assassin was also connected to the murders of Robin Fuldauer, 26, at a Payless shoe store in Indianapolis, IN; Patricia Magers, 32, and Patricia Smith, 23, at La Bridal shop in Wichita, KS; Michael McCown, 40, at Sylvia’s Ceramics in Terra Haute, IN., and Nancy Kitzmiller, 24, at Boot Village in St. Charles, MO.

The girl, later named "Caledonia Jane Doe" or "Cali Doe" by investigators, was fully clothed. Her body showed no signs of sexual assault. She died from severe hemorrhage caused by two gunshot wounds, one to the head over the right eye and one to the back. Her pockets had been turned inside out, suggesting that if she carried any identification, her killer had removed it.[5][6]

Caledonia Jane Doe's autopsy indicated that she had first been shot in the head while next to the road bordering the corn field, at or near a blood spot found on the ground. Her body was then dragged into the corn field, where she was shot again in the back and left for dead on November 8, 1979. Heavy rains on the night of her death washed away much potential forensic evidence.[5][6][9]

compare 1979 murder to

Roughly 15 minutes later, video store owner Tim Hickman, whose shop was next to Blessing’s, heard a loud pop that sounded like a gunshot. When he went to investigate the disturbing noise, he found Blessing in a back room of her store, dead from a gunshot wound to the head. She had not been sexually assaulted and only a small amount of cash was taken from the register.

The motive itself has never really been clear since none of the stores had large amounts of money, and there appeared to be no motive other than possible “thrill killing.”

The perpetrator left very little physical evidence behind and the hundreds of once promising leads have long since been exhausted. Twenty years later, all of the crimes remain unsolved.

with i70 it's worth noting that after shooting his victims in the head he dragged them to the back of the store and would shoot them again.

AFAIK, it appears that a thrill killing by a white male on unfamiliar white females is pretty rare.

are there other examples of this?

DanCart

12-07-2014, 10:28 PM

neognosis

12-07-2014, 10:46 PM

Interesting points and very good question ..... Off the top of my head I dont know of a thrill killing by a white male on unfamiliar white females (with no overt motive- sexual or otherwise) which fits similar parallels to the I-70 , I will wrack my brains over this for the next 24hrs :o :lol:

well u know a couple of posters thought u and i were the same poster on the DPJD thread :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :wave: :happyface

how many other white females, mind you caledonia had dark hair just like the i70 victims, were shot by a suspect described as a white male, who targeted white women (with exception of a white male with long hair) solely as a thrill kill from 1979-1994? i do wonder if the i70 killer would have killed if the women were black or asian.

DanCart

12-08-2014, 09:13 PM

well u know a couple of posters thought u and i were the same poster on the DPJD thread :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :wave: :happyface

how many other white females, mind you caledonia had dark hair just like the i70 victims, were shot by a suspect described as a white male, who targeted white women (with exception of a white male with long hair) solely as a thrill kill from 1979-1994? i do wonder if the i70 killer would have killed if the women were black or asian.

:lol: yeah that was strange ...

I think the I-70 would have killed any woman given the opportunity, the women he targeted were in the right type location he favored, from watching the Dark Minds episode it seems this guy chose locations first then after watching moved in for the kill so I doubt race of victim would have mattered much to him ....

come to think of it I cant think of any cases coming close to the I-70 , I think this guy may have had issues with female store clerks from the past and his killings may represent his private war against them a.k.a his revenge ....:thought:

neognosis

12-08-2014, 09:21 PM

:lol: yeah that was strange ...

I think the I-70 would have killed any woman given the opportunity, the women he targeted were in the right type location he favored, from watching the Dark Minds episode it seems this guy chose locations first then after watching moved in for the kill so I doubt race of victim would have mattered much to him ....

come to think of it I cant think of any cases coming close to the I-70 , I think this guy may have had issues with female store clerks from the past and his killings may represent his private war against them a.k.a his revenge ....:thought:

so you watched the the Dark Minds episode ? so did i :talk: :talk: :talk: :talk:

http://youtu.be/4j90zASoDpo

at 13 minutes narrator points out all the victims had shoulder length brown hair and white, speculating this is his victim preference.

CJD had shoulder length brown hair.

the narrator states they think he cases the place and if he sees his type he acts. in several shootings the adjacent store was a video store with an old white male, but he was not shot. so i think he chooses females specifically.

maybe we are the same person :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

so do u think a 13 year younger i70 killer in 1979 killed Caledonia Jane Doe?
are there other women shot as a thrill kill from 1979-1992?

fyi i did email the fbi and new york with my "tip"

DanCart

12-08-2014, 10:21 PM

so you watched the the Dark Minds episode ? so did i :talk:

http://youtu.be/4j90zASoDpo

:talk:

Yes I did ! :)

at 13 minutes narrator points out all the victims had shoulder length brown hair and white, speculating this is his victim preference.

CJD had shoulder length brown hair.

Thats interesting because that inference and broad similarity of the looks my suggest a more personal motive to the crimes like revenge , thrill (sexual).....

This whole thing of shoulder length haired brunettes amazed me because there seemed to have been a lot of serial killers especially starting in the 70`s who targeted shoulder length brunettes for some odd reason e.g Bundy, Gypsy Hill Killer , East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker ....... for some reason shoulder length brunettes have born the brunt of many a serial killer :eek:

maybe we are the same person:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

:lol: :talk: :cheers: you shouldnt say that it will start a riot ! :lol: :lol: :happyface

so do u think a 13 year younger i70 killer in 1979 killed Caledonia Jane Doe?
are there other women shot as a thrill kill from 1979-1992?

Hmm , there isnt anything to definitively rule out that possibility if you assume I-70 killer was in his mid-30s by the early 90`s , I am on the fence on this one :lol: . I wish there was more info on the man CJD was seen with apart from the scraggy sketch...

At the moment I cant think of any thrill kill cases resembling , but there could be some .....when you submitted your tip did you get a reply ? How long ago did you submit your tip ?

neognosis

12-08-2014, 10:43 PM

:talk:

Yes I did ! :)

Thats interesting because that inference and broad similarity of the looks my suggest a more personal motive to the crimes like revenge , thrill (sexual).....

This whole thing of shoulder length haired brunettes amazed me because there seemed to have been a lot of serial killers especially starting in the 70`s who targeted shoulder length brunettes for some odd reason e.g Bundy, Gypsy Hill Killer , East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker ....... for some reason shoulder length brunettes have born the brunt of many a serial killer :eek:

:lol: :talk: :cheers: you shouldnt say that it will start a riot ! :lol: :lol: :happyface

Hmm , there isnt anything to definitively rule out that possibility if you assume I-70 killer was in his mid-30s by the early 90`s , I am on the fence on this one :lol: . I wish there was more info on the man CJD was seen with apart from the scraggy sketch...

At the moment I cant think of any thrill kill cases resembling , but there could be some .....when you submitted your tip did you get a reply ? How long ago did you submit your tip ?

just this week i did, here's comparison pictures

https://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/i70-victims.jpg

based on the broad geography i wonder if the i70 was or is a trucker.

https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/6715

the man CJD seen with is undoubtedly her killer. CJD had a last meal and the person who paid for this meal has never come forward.

sometimes i think we have a psychic connection :eek: :eek: :eek:

DanCart

12-08-2014, 11:27 PM

neognosis

12-08-2014, 11:44 PM

Shiver me timbers ! That photo montage does really make me wonder, speaking of the photos are the women in the bottom pictures the Texas victims ?.

On CJD ,(1) how long before being shot was her meal with the mystery man ? (2) Is it just me or does CJD look very young ?

:) yeah, such things have been known to happen ;) :D

I sense a great disturbance in the Force. We have a new enemy. His victims were described as petitite brunettes, not black hair, not blondes.
CJD
The height and weight of the victim were estimated to be 5 feet 3 inches (1.60 m) and 120 pounds (54 kg), respectively.

so she is petite brunettes.

obviously i wonder if a shop had a petite blonde woman or a black haired woman, say japanese, working alone and he passed over them.

if you watch the documentary in the bridal shop a black guy enters, sees him, but he lets him walk out. then later he near a video shop and looks in, then walks to the next store in Texas, and shoots.

I do believe they are the Texas victims.

well CJD is estimated 13-19, with 16 being most likely. Her wisdom teeth had not yet formed.

A few hours before her death, Caledonia Jane Doe had eaten sweet corn; potatoes; and boiled, canned ham, possibly from a diner in Lima, New York, where she had been seen by a waitress, with a man.[6][13]
ref
"Case File 1UFNY". Unidentified Victims. The Doe Network. Retrieved 27 May 2012.
"Murdered Girl's Identity a Mystery". The Palladium-Times (Oswego, New York). Associated Press. 19 January 1980. p. 12. Retrieved 2 October 2013.

if it is a same guy then 2014 is the year CJD is identified and her killer named :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: on this forum :happyface :happyface :happyface

if this is right i70 is a trucker who was in Caledonia NY in 1979, and probably CJD is his first kill. He liked it so over time he became the i70 killer in 1992.

As a trucker he told CJD he will let her hitchhike with him to Boston. As a trucker he is familiar with I70.

He very likely picked up other hitchhikers in the intervening years, brunette petite blondes and then shot them in the head and threw their bodies in a ditch. he's a serial killer and killing petite brunettes is his thing.

yes based on age as described by witness, he would have to be in the mid-thirties to be old enough to kill CJD.

Necco

12-08-2014, 11:57 PM

There are two similarities between Cali and the I-70 victims.
They are white women and they were killed by guns. That's all.

The I-70 victims were strangers. Cali was likely killed by her traveling companion.

They are far apart in space and time.

IMO there is no connection at all.

neognosis

12-09-2014, 12:01 AM

DanCart

12-09-2014, 12:09 AM

neognosis

12-09-2014, 12:17 AM

Dude , that black guy shown in the Dark Minds episode was lucky he managed to talk himself out of being executed, that incident made me wonder if maybe the I-70 killer didnt want to shoot in the front of the store .....

After looking at the distances between the crime scenes, you may be right a trucker connection could be possible ......

You know, the petite brunette theme to the victims does make an interesting possibility .....do you know if an age estimate was ever given of the man seen with CJD instead of that vague "he looked like her brother" description :lol:

yeah i'm not sure if it is luck tho', it seems i70 killer "hates" if that is the right word, petite brunettes.

Yes, the distance is pretty substantial, but more important, it might suggest familiarity with the locations.

um no age estimate. if the waitress is still alive, it would be cool to show her the sketch of the i70 killer, maybe added help under hypnosis, if they are same person.

do you know of another serial killer that targeted petite brunette white females and murdered them with gun shot to the head?

DanCart

12-09-2014, 04:26 PM

yeah i'm not sure if it is luck tho', it seems i70 killer "hates" if that is the right word, petite brunettes.

Yes, the distance is pretty substantial, but more important, it might suggest familiarity with the locations.

um no age estimate. if the waitress is still alive, it would be cool to show her the sketch of the i70 killer, maybe added help under hypnosis, if they are same person.

do you know of another serial killer that targeted petite brunette white females and murdered them with gun shot to the head?

Maybe the word you were looking for instead of "hate" is he "has issues with" :)

In addition to a possible trucker connection I thought maybe another occupation like travelling salesman could be a possibility....

While thinking of other serial killers 2 sprang to mind who had a significant number of victims fitting your specification of petite brunette white females who were shot in the head: Robert Lee Yates and Thor Nis Christiansen ....

You will find Robert Lee Yates is interesting because he had 2 victims in 1975 , then 1 in 1988 then many around 1997 .....

Thor was also ultra kinky and liked his victims deceased (after shooting them) before he had sex with them :blush:

neognosis

12-09-2014, 07:22 PM

Maybe the word you were looking for instead of "hate" is he "has issues with" :)

In addition to a possible trucker connection I thought maybe another occupation like travelling salesman could be a possibility....

While thinking of other serial killers 2 sprang to mind who had a significant number of victims fitting your specification of petite brunette white females who were shot in the head: Robert Lee Yates and Thor Nis Christiansen ....

You will find Robert Lee Yates is interesting because he had 2 victims in 1975 , then 1 in 1988 then many around 1997 .....

Thor was also ultra kinky and liked his victims deceased (after shooting them) before he had sex with them :blush:

"has issues with" is a good way to express it. :talk:

I should say "While thinking of other serial killers 2 sprang to mind who had a significant number of victims fitting your specification of petite brunette white females who were shot in the head" AND could have plausibly killed CJD.

So with Thor Nis Christiansen

Capture Lydia Preston met Christiansen again on July 11, 1979 in the Bottom Line Bar in Hollywood, and reported him to police, who promptly arrested him.

This date immediately disqualifies him as killer of CJD.

Robert Lee Yates no evidence he was in Caledonia in November 1979,
and

The murders Yates committed between 1996 and 1998 in Spokane all involved prostitutes in Spokane's "Skid Row" area on E. Sprague Avenue. The victims were initially solicited for prostitution by Yates, who would have sex with them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lee_Yates

No evidence CJD was a prostitute, no evidence of sex. All his murders were in Spokane and Pierce County Wa. No evidence he was in Caledonia 1979.

I guess my criteria is if CJD was victim of a serial killer, if CJD killer killed again, who were his victims prior or since?

of course CJD could have been a victim of a one-off in which case it would be difficult if not impossible to identify her killer unless someone confesses.

neognosis

12-09-2014, 07:27 PM

Maybe the word you were looking for instead of "hate" is he "has issues with" :)

In addition to a possible trucker connection I thought maybe another occupation like travelling salesman could be a possibility....

yeah. there is actually 2 sisters, the Lyon sisters who disappeared and witnesses suggest just this.

Katherine Mary Lyon (aged 10), and Sheila Mary Lyon (aged 12) were two sisters who disappeared without a trace during a trip to a local mall in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., in 1975. Known colloquially as The Lyon Sisters, their case resulted in one of the largest police investigations in Washington Metropolitan Area history. It is "one of the most high-profile unsolved cases in the D.C. area."[1] The case remains unsolved.

Police were told by witnesses that the sisters were in the Wheaton Plaza mall at approximately 1 PM. A neighborhood boy, who knew the sisters, reported that he saw them together outside the Orange Bowl speaking with an unidentified man, about 6 feet tall, 50 to 60 years old, and wearing a brown suit. The man was carrying a briefcase with a tape recorder inside; there were also other children around who were speaking into a microphone he was holding. The witness's description of the man led authorities to view the unknown person as a prime suspect in the Lyon sisters' case and two composite sketches of the man were created.

Police investigating the case followed up on reports from several people who said they recognized the sketch of the unknown man with the briefcase. Press reports indicated that a man matching the sketch was seen a few weeks earlier at the Marlow Heights Shopping Center and the Iverson Mall, both in neighboring Prince George's County, Maryland. These people reported that he had approached several young girls and asked them to read an answering machine message typed on an index card into his hand-held microphone. The police never publicly acknowledged a direct link between these reports and the Lyon sisters' disappearance.

As the weeks wore on, numerous volunteer groups combed vacant lots and stream beds for the sisters. The search continued and press interest reached such a fever pitch that on May 23, 1975, Maryland Lt. Gov. Blair Lee summoned 122 National Guardsmen to participate in a search of a Montgomery County forest for the missing girls.[3]

No trace of the girls was ever found.

A new lead has been discovered as of September 20, 2014. The police have been searching the woods of Thaxton, Virginia and have entered a house Hyattsville, Maryland, seizing several items evidently pertaining to the case.[4]

In February 2014, inmate Lloyd Welch was named as a "person of interest" in the case. Police said Welch, who was 18 years old at the time, and had since been convicted of rapes in three other states, had been "seen 'paying attention' to the sisters." [1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyon_sisters

DanCart

12-09-2014, 07:49 PM

neognosis

12-09-2014, 08:20 PM

The CJD case could indeed be a result of a one off killer since there are are hardly any similar cases or serial killers who might fit the bill, the thing about serial killers though, is that we can only use examples of known ones but I strongly believe there have been serial killers who have gone completely undetected especially from the pre-DNA era ......even today serial killers could go undetected if they just change location, MO, murder weapon frequently enough . Israel Keys could have had he not decided to talk for example....

One other thing that popped into my mind is that maybe CJD and her male companion had an argument after leaving the diner and in fit of rage he shot her and dumped her, that could explain a few things .......

yeah that's true. could have been some kind of argument erupted. i believe Cali Doe is Tammy Jo Alexander, and while I don't know Tammy personally her best friends from high school did. Said Tammy is very friendly and nice.

we can do some deductions and create a timeline

Caledonia Jane Doe's autopsy indicated that she had first been shot in the head while next to the road bordering the corn field, at or near a blood spot found on the ground. Her body was then dragged into the corn field, where she was shot again in the back and left for dead on November 8, 1979. Heavy rains on the night of her death washed away much potential forensic evidence.[5][6][9]

this is where they found the blood spot

http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/media/lib/185/c/f/0/cf0a6377-6317-4441-a463-ba27a849fdc5/Story.jpg

he girl, later named "Caledonia Jane Doe" or "Cali Doe" by investigators, was fully clothed. Her body showed no signs of sexual assault. She died from severe hemorrhage caused by two gunshot wounds, one to the head over the right eye and one to the back

She was found dead 9 miles from the Lima Dinar. In the restaurant the waitress said she reported no distress they seemed to get along. The waitress reported Tammy entered the car, and described the car, without incident. It might take 10-15 minutes to cover 9 miles which was a rural cornfield, from Lima to where she was shot, as evidence by blood stain on roadside.

here's picture which shows where they found the blood spot. since she was shot in the head first, in the front, then dragged into cornfield and shot again in the back.
dragged to

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/suzannec4444/Tammy/calicrimescene-1.jpg

they recovered the bullet underneath her in the ground.

the distance between the limar dinar and where she was found is 9 miles, and they found a blood spot so that's pretty much where she fell.

it is clearly a rural road, and the fact no one reported anything no witness strongly suggests there were no other cars. so the car would not be delayed by traffic.

so a timeline analysis would suggest that only 10-15 minutes after she and her killer left the dinar, she was shot and killed.

also her food did not have time to digest and they easily were able to identify it. so both the distance, the lack of witness and traffic, and the food, strongly implies she was killed very soon after she left the restaurant.

if it was an argument it was one that erupted almost as soon as they left the restaurant, since the waitress and other patrons did not report any problems or arguments between the two.

she was shot in the front above the right eye, by the road, so it seems she was surprised, not running away. not shot from behind. i'm leaning towards premeditation.

i think he pulled over, asked her to get out b/c of say to check tire pressure, she agreed cordially. then out of no where, bam! she was not expecting it.

DanCart

12-09-2014, 08:47 PM

neognosis

12-09-2014, 09:01 PM

Interesting timeline of events you have pieced together :thumbsup:
The crime scene pictures are interesting, were did you uncover them from ?

While looking at that picture of CJD 2 things stood out for me, (1)the positioning of her other leg (2) her exposed belly ......significant ? :thought:

timeline analysis is standard. we know the waitress is good eye witness testimony since

A few hours before her death, Caledonia Jane Doe had eaten sweet corn; potatoes; and boiled, canned ham, possibly from a diner in Lima, New York, where she had been seen by a waitress, with a man. [6][13]

the restaurant serves those food items, they were found in her stomach, they were clearly identifiable, "within a few hours" and the waitress identified her. i imagine that her killer paid for the dinner, in order to seem friendly and gain trust.

all this taken together gives a pretty tight timeline. I suppose though it's possible he drover her around town for an hour or so, before heading on that road. the pathologist though estimated it couldn't have been much time elapse.

there''s quite a few websites devoted to her. :talk:

Caledonia's Jane Doe: 29 Years Later

http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/story/caledonias-jane-doe-29-years-later/d/story/_MGWu-yqBEiI8XB2iamxzw
11/10/2008 01:54 AM

She's known only as Jane Doe, and her murder remains unsolved 29 years after her body was found in a Livingston County cornfield.

The body of the girl was found in Caledonia 29 years ago to the day Monday. Investigators in Livingston County have never been able to identify the girl. Sheriff John York has vowed to identify her and find her killer, and his investigators aren't giving up yet.

Police believe the girl was only a teenager when she was shot to death, and left on the side of Route 20. More than 10,000 leads have surfaced over the past 29 years, but none has led investigators to her identity or her killers.

The internet has helped. Private individuals and "missing person" organizations across the United States have taken a particular interest in trying to help identify Jane Doe. One group has even used Youtube as a way to get her story out to the public. It shows sketches and composites of the victim, as well as items she had on her when she was found. To see it for yourself, click here.

If you have any information regarding this unsolved murder, contact the Livingston County Sheriff's Department at 243-7100.

http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/topic/731/Unidentified-Female-in-1979-in-CaledoniaNY

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/suzannec4444/Tammy/calicrimescene.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/suzannec4444/Tammy/cali-2.jpg

the problem is

A farmer found the body of a young woman on November 10, 1979, in a corn field. An investigation proved that she was shot twice and stripped of her identification.

the farmer may have moved her body.

DanCart

12-09-2014, 09:31 PM

neognosis

12-09-2014, 10:01 PM

Thanks for the links , some very interesting details and one thing to consider is this : most killers who try and remove identifying features and/or documents from their victims tend to be people who were close to the victim and since CJD may have had her ID cards stolen there is a chance that she knew her killer well enough at least on the surface .........

i think in this instance she met a trucker who told her he was heading to boston and she could hitch a ride.

one artists reconstruction of what she looked like when she was alive
prior to gun shot

http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/media/lib/185/0/a/1/0a161b4a-ef7e-4890-aaff-38209cfb5f2f/Story.jpg

http://canyouidentifyme.org/sites/default/files/Livingston%20New%20York%20Jane%20Doe%20November%201979%20regression.jpg

compare with Tammy Jo Alexander

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/5707f71d-7803-40da-ae8c-708df94c2ae5.jpg

It was reported that several truckers called in with information about a young girl who was traveling and catching rides where she could. One trucker swore he saw the girl the night before she was murdered trying to hitch a ride to Boston from a nearby truck stop.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

based on this, then a trucker or truckers she hitched rides from california to a truck stop in caledonia NY. She evidentally has some charisma and social skills and good looks to convince truckers to hitch a ride and pay for her food and provide her a jacket and sleep. there she was asking truck drivers if she could hitch a ride to Boston. She met a truck driver who said he would, then offered her dinner at the Lima Dinar, and paid for potatos corn and ham.

DanCart

12-09-2014, 11:42 PM

i think in this instance she met a trucker who told her he was heading to boston and she could hitch a ride.

one artists reconstruction of what she looked like when she was alive
prior to gun shot

http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/media/lib/185/0/a/1/0a161b4a-ef7e-4890-aaff-38209cfb5f2f/Story.jpg

http://canyouidentifyme.org/sites/default/files/Livingston%20New%20York%20Jane%20Doe%20November%201979%20regression.jpg

compare with Tammy Jo Alexander

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/5707f71d-7803-40da-ae8c-708df94c2ae5.jpg

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

based on this, then a trucker or truckers she hitched rides from california to a truck stop in caledonia NY. She evidentally has some charisma and social skills and good looks to convince truckers to hitch a ride and pay for her food and provide her a jacket and sleep. there she was asking truck drivers if she could hitch a ride to Boston. She met a truck driver who said he would, then offered her dinner at the Lima Dinar, and paid for potatos corn and ham.
:typing:
...then after paying for her meal the trucker expected the pretty young girl to return the favor somehow, the young lady refused , the man was angry and called her disgusting names no young lady should be called :blush: and then he shot her at the side of the road in a fit of rage ......since it all happened so quickly the man decided to hide her body in the corn and vanish fast thus he never got the chance to get what he wanted from her ........:thought:

Necco

12-09-2014, 11:47 PM

the guy was driving a station wagon, not a truck

neognosis

12-10-2014, 12:08 AM

:typing:
...then after paying for her meal the trucker expected the pretty young girl to return the favor somehow, the young lady refused , the man was angry and called her disgusting names no young lady should be called :blush: and then he shot her at the side of the road in a fit of rage ......since it all happened so quickly the man decided to hide her body in the corn and vanish fast thus he never got the chance to get what he wanted from her ........:thought:

yeah there's one hitch

the guy was driving a station wagon, not a truck

yeah that's true.

i still think these statements can be reconciled

An examination of the girl's stomach contents turned up pieces of meat, corn and potatoes. A waitress from a small dinner in Lima, New York, remembered seeing the girl the night before the murder, but she couldn't remember anything more. An unknown male was seen with the victim at a diner near the recovery location (his sketch is available on the FBI flyer located under Sources at the bottom of this page). He is described as a white male, 5'8" to 5'9" with black wire rimmed glasses and a plaid shirt.

He was driving a tan station wagon with side paneling.

It was reported that several truckers called in with information about a young girl who was traveling and catching rides where she could. One trucker swore he saw the girl the night before she was murdered trying to hitch a ride to Boston from a nearby truck stop.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

I think he met CJD at the Caledonia truck stop, learned she wanted to hitch a ride to Boston, then told CJD he was a truck driver, and he would take her to dinner then drive her to Boston in his tan station wagon b/c he is from that area. It's 400 miles from Caledonia NY and Boston Ma. The reason he was at the truck stop is that he is a trucker or familiar with truck stops, perhaps through friends, the reason he drove a tan station wagon is that he was not working. He may have lied about wanting to drive to Boston.

DanCart

12-10-2014, 03:49 PM

LooksLikeCRicci

12-10-2014, 04:01 PM

neognosis

12-10-2014, 06:13 PM

Interesting stuff regarding the tan station wagon, I wasnt aware of that ....
I agree with your sentiment that the driver may have lied to her about driving to Boston or in the direction CJD was heading , afterall she was hitchiking and saying something like that would have worked perfectly....

The more I think about it , the more I think after leaving the diner there was an argument or something of that nature and maybe she asked to be let out the vehicle and then with the man in state of anger shot her. The fact that the man didnt even do a good job of concealing her suggests a situation were he was in a haste and he had not planned for ......when couples :argue: in car and things get heated sometimes one of them asks to be let out of the car or they stop the car at the side of the road to :argue: , which might explanation the location of the shooting since it appears like its almost in the middle of nowhere...

yeah if that is true and it was a one-off that would disqualify i70 serial killer.
the I70 killer didn't "conceal" his victims either. did CJD killer kill again?

this is an example of a tan stationwagon with panelling

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/HornetWagon.JPG

given this

On the morning of November 9, 1979, a farmer in Caledonia saw red clothing in one of his corn fields and went to investigate, believing that he had spotted a trespassing hunter. In the field he found the body of a young girl.[5][9] Police arrived on scene at 10:04 am.[10]

and

It was reported that several truckers called in with information about a young girl who was traveling and catching rides where she could. One trucker swore he saw the girl the night before she was murdered trying to hitch a ride to Boston from a nearby truck stop.

Based on above, it is clear CJD on the night before she was murdered was at a truck stop, trying to hitch a ride to Boston from whatever city he saw her in
and obviously found a ride that took her through Caledonia NY.

she was probably murdered evening of Nov 8th

so where did the trucker see her on Nov 7th? Perhaps on Nov 7th CJD was in another nearby state like Penn or even Canada and was traveling through Caledonia NY en route to Boston.

Whoever CJD hitched a ride with she had met him on Nov 7th and was shot by evening of Nov 8th.

neognosis

12-10-2014, 06:17 PM

Interesting theory. I'll have to think on it a bit. However, I tend to agree with Necco. I'm confused about this link between the two. The I-70 killer seemed to favor people in stores and did not attempt to move their bodies after the killing, if I'm remembering correctly.

That doesn't fit with your Jane Doe at all. Her body had obviously been moved what sounds like more than once.

I agree that the I-70 killer and the killer of your Jane Doe could both be truckers. However, I think they are different truckers. The composites look like two completely different men to me. Just look at the difference in the hair. One is straight, the other wavy. (I don't put a lot of stock into composites, but it's something to think about.)

err

Caledonia Jane Doe's autopsy indicated that she had first been shot in the head while next to the road bordering the corn field, at or near a blood spot found on the ground. Her body was then dragged into the corn field, where she was shot again in the back and left for dead on November 8, 1979. Heavy rains on the night of her death washed away much potential forensic evidence.[5][6][9]

according to autopsy she was only moved once from where she was shot to the cornfield. the i70 killer if you watch the documentary shot brunette white females at one point in the store, and on occassion, moved them to the back of the store.

http://youtu.be/4j90zASoDpo

the link isn't perfect but the similarity is that a white male with a gun shot white female brunettes in the head, sometimes a second shot in the back - in one case the survivor he was going to shot again when the gun jammed and customers came in - and it was believed to be thrill kills. i70 serial killer expressly targeted young white females with brown hair, he has issues with them. he traveled over 1200 miles in search of victims that suit his taste.

well yeah it's not perfect. i guess the question is had CJD killer killed before or since? did the .38 bullet they recover have jeweler's rube or some kind of polish?

My thinking is that he was a young man, perhaps a teenager when he thrill killed CJD in 1979, he got a thrilling experience, and perhaps he was in military service, or in prison for another offense, then went on a rampage in 1992 for fun. He continued to pick CJD look alikes.

LooksLikeCRicci

12-10-2014, 07:31 PM

neognosis

12-10-2014, 07:42 PM

The point I was trying to make is that the killings all happened in buildings or businesses-- a clothing store, a boot store, a bridal shop. CJD was not killed in such a fashion. It's a pretty far departure from one's typical M.O.

i agree on this point. but he did have choice as to who he targeted

Perhaps the best description of the killer came in Raytown. A neighboring video store owner saw a man enter the gift shop, then heard a pop. A grocery clerk saw the man climb a hill to I-70, then vanish. The video store owner found Blessing’s body.

and how he executed them,

Five of the victims were women and police believe the killer mistook the lone male, who wore his hair long, for a woman. All six were shot in the head. In most cases, a small amount of money was taken, though police said robbery was incidental.

“Killing was the motivation, no doubt in my mind,” said Lt. Mike Hennessey, a Wichita detective assigned to the case.
http://cjonline.com/news/2012-05-02/police-hope-info-leads-i-70-killer-92

“Since none of this was sexual crime-based and we have no prints to work with, DNA is out of the question,” Hennessey said. “What cracks most of these cases is the killer talks. But serial killers don’t tell anyone. That’s how they get away with it.”

The girl, later named "Caledonia Jane Doe" or "Cali Doe" by investigators, was fully clothed. Her body showed no signs of sexual assault. She died from severe hemorrhage caused by two gunshot wounds, one to the head over the right eye and one to the back. Her pockets had been turned inside out, suggesting that if she carried any identification, her killer had removed it.[5][6]

Caledonia Jane Doe's autopsy indicated that she had first been shot in the head while next to the road bordering the corn field, at or near a blood spot found on the ground.

CJD was shot in the head and was not sexually assaulted.
and they bear a physical resemblance to CJD and they were executed with a bullet to the head like CJD. he had issues with white women with brown hair.

also worth noting

Authorities believe the killer was a white male in his mid-20s to mid-30s, probably closer to mid-30s, Senter said. That would make him in his mid-50s if still alive.

A serial killer is believed to be responsible for 9 murders near Interstate 70 in the ... Four murders in three different states, separated by more than 1200 miles.

it's only 550 miles from indianapolis to Caledonia NY, vs 1200 miles from his first victim to his last.

DanCart

12-14-2014, 04:52 PM

i guess the question is had CJD killer killed before or since?

I have mulled over this and my gut feeling is that I would put my money on the fact that he has killed since CJD as opposed to before. The CJD crime scene has the hall marks of a hasty crime carried out in the heat of the moment hence the location and the relatively poor attempt at concealing the young girls body....... a more experience killer would have better concealed her dont you think ?

did the .38 bullet they recover have jeweler's rube or some kind of polish?

That is the $64 question :D

My thinking is that he was a young man, perhaps a teenager when he thrill killed CJD in 1979, he got a thrilling experience, and perhaps he was in military service, or in prison for another offense, then went on a rampage in 1992 for fun. He continued to pick CJD look alikes.

Is it me or am I thinking the Walker county jane doe case once case crossed your mind ? While I doubt its connected in any way to the CJD case......

One thing about the I-70 case that I found interesting is that one time the gun jammed when he tried to shoot that woman who survived, this makes me wonder were or whom he procurred his gun(s) from ? :grr:

neognosis

12-14-2014, 05:07 PM

I have mulled over this and my gut feeling is that I would put my money on the fact that he has killed since CJD as opposed to before. The CJD crime scene has the hall marks of a hasty crime carried out in the heat of the moment hence the location and the relatively poor attempt at concealing the young girls body....... a more experience killer would have better concealed her dont you think ?

That is the $64 question :D

Is it me or am I thinking the Walker county jane doe case once case crossed your mind ? While I doubt its connected in any way to the CJD case......

One thing about the I-70 case that I found interesting is that one time the gun jammed when he tried to shoot that woman who survived, this makes me wonder were or whom he procurred his gun(s) from ? :grr:

I think these are all excellent questions. I do think its exciting to read about CJD and then Tammy Jo Alexander Bio, and see how perfectly they line up.

CJD

The Caledonia Jane Doe or "Cali Doe" is the name given to an unidentified young female homicide victim found in the town of Caledonia, Livingston County, New York, on November 9, 1979.[2][3][4] Investigators believe that she may have come to the Caledonia area from southern California, or perhaps Arizona or northern Mexico. Because her true identity has yet to be discovered, the generic name Jane Doe has been incorporated into her name, which has been done with countless other cases.[5][6][7]

Caledonia Jane Doe's case is conspicuous among American unidentified persons cases for its unusually geographically broad sourcing of physical evidence, the pronounced youth of its victim, and the length of time for which it has remained unsolved though being repeatedly and widely publicized by investigating law enforcement agencies. Consequently, the case continually attracts a high level of notice from the public; in the decades since Caledonia Jane Doe's death was first advertised, the Livingston County Sheriff's Office has investigated more than ten thousand tips and leads from around North America, none of which to date has yielded the identity of the victim or her assailant.[5]

The case is also noteworthy for being one of very few cases set in an American jurisdiction to make use of the growing science of forensic palynology.[8]

Pollen evidence

In 2006, Paul Chambers, a recently-hired investigator in the Monroe County, New York medical examiner's office, asked for and received permission to send Caledonia Jane Doe's clothing to the Palynology Laboratory at Texas A&M University, where it was checked for plant pollen trace evidence.[5] Among the types of pollen found on the clothing by the Texas A&M University researchers were grains from Casuarina (Australian pine, or "she oak"), Quercus (oak), Picea (spruce), and Betula (birch). The clothing pollen grains were compared to a control sample of pollen grains taken directly from the rural New York site where Caledonia Jane Doe's body had been found in 1979.[5][7]

Oak grows widely all over the United States, and spruce and birch grow in New York, among many places in the United States. However, no oak, spruce, or birch pollen grains were found in the control sample, and neither spruce nor birch trees were found growing near the body dump site.[7] Caledonia Jane Doe's spruce and birch pollen came from species common in mountainous areas of California.[14]

Australian pine, or Casuarina, is an invasive genus of tree that grows in a limited number of locations in North America: south Florida; south Texas; parts of Mexico; the campuses of the University of Arizona and Arizona State University; and three regions in California: the North Bay of San Francisco, the San Luis Obispo area, and the San Diego area.[7] Casuarina cannot survive the autumn and winter seasons in the temperate climate of the New York region where Caledonia Jane Doe was found.[14][15] She or her clothing would not have acquired the Casuarina pollen grains at the dump site.

Overall, researchers believe the southern California and San Diego region to be the best geographical pollen print match location for the grains from Caledonia Jane Doe's clothing.[7] Based on the pollen evidence and the girl's visible tan lines, forensic researchers suggested that Caledonia Jane Doe may have originally lived in the southwestern United States near San Diego, California, then traveled (perhaps by hitchhiking) through the Sierra Nevada mountains where spruce and birch grow, passing through Reno, Nevada, and then traveled across the country to New York, where she was murdered.[5][7][16]

When she was exhumed, several of her teeth were sent for mineralogical and forensic isotope analysis, to connect the composition of her teeth with the composition and mineral content of regional drinking water supplies around North America, allowing investigators to determine where she may have been raised.[17][18] Early results on the dental 18O/16O isotopic oxygen ratio indicated that she may have spent her early years in the south/southwest region of the United States.[17]

She had visible tan lines from a halter top or bikini, suggesting that she may have come from a region with abundant October–November sunshine, as sun tanning beds were uncommon in the 1970s.[6][9] There were freckles on the backs of her shoulders and acne on her face and chest.[3]

She had brown eyes and wavy, light brown shoulder-length hair that had been frosted in the front (with blonde highlights) about four months prior to her death and was growing out. Her toenails were painted with coral-colored nail polish.[3]

CJD
https://identifyus.org/en/medias/full/6715

Tammy Jo Alexander

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/5707f71d-7803-40da-ae8c-708df94c2ae5.jpg

http://murderpedia.org/male.L/images/lent_lewis/sarah_wood.jpg

Sara Ann Wood, 12.

Just relaying some information received from Tammy's best friend from high school.

She says Tammy disappeared after the 78-79 school year was over, around May of 1979.

She says that they both ran away around Christmas of 1978, and caught rides from truckers all the way to California. She says that Tammy had a reason to run away. But her friend says that she just went along for the ride. Tammy's friend's mom had to pay for airfare back to Florida for both of them because Tammy's mom said "Leave her there".

Update: For those interested inlearning more about Tammy Jo Alexander’s life before she vanished.

From C. W. McCall’s song Convoy from the 1978 movie by the same name

Was the dark of the moon on the sixth of June
In a Kenworth pullin’ logs
Cab-over Pete with a reefer on
And a Jimmy haulin’ hogs
We is headin’ for bear on I-one-oh
‘Bout a mile outta Shaky Town
I says, “Pig Pen, this here’s the Rubber Duck.
“And I’m about to put the hammer down.”

According to her very close high school girlfriend Tammy had the dreams and aspirations of a typical young teenager. A Future Business Leaders of America in high school she talked about going to the University of Florida, while at the same time spoke of her longing to marring her boyfriend Kevin when she turned 18.

Her dad managed a local truck stop and ”she loved chatting on the CB radio with the truckers,” during a era when movies like ‘Convoy’ and ‘Smokey and the Bandit’ depicted long haul truckers as romantic knights of the interstate.

Her friend describes Tammy’s personality as “ very outgoing, not a shy bone in her body.”

At the time she went missing Tammy’s brown hair was frosted blonde in keeping with her favorite song; Rod Stewart’s ‘Blondes (have more fun).’

For various reason’s Tammy developed wanderlust at a young age. Before she vanished completely she once ran away from home with a girlfriend, hitching rides with truckers, (people she felt she could trust) all the way from Florida to southern California before her friends mother bought plane tickets for both girl to return home..

She vanished sometime in the late spring of 1979, not January of 1977 as listed in her NamUs profile. Its unknown if she was reported missing the second time.

Tammy vanished long before authorities learned that some truckers, like Robert Ben Rhoades and John Robert Williams, were serial killers. And decades before the FBI would state, “that serial killers working as long-haul truckers are responsible for the slayings of hundreds of prostitutes, hitchhikers and stranded motorists whose bodies have been dumped near highways over the last three decades.”

Thanks to her long ago friend Tammy Jo Alexander was added to NamUs this summer, 35 years after she was last seen alive, but make no mistake – she was never forgotten.

for our purposes CJD = Tammy Jo Alexander.
if we combine what we know about Tammy Jo Alexander with CJD

A few hours before her death, Caledonia Jane Doe had eaten sweet corn; potatoes; and boiled, canned ham, possibly from a diner in Lima, New York, where she had been seen by a waitress, with a man.

An examination of the girl's stomach contents turned up pieces of meat, corn and potatoes. A waitress from a small dinner in Lima, New York, remembered seeing the girl the night before the murder, but she couldn't remember anything more. An unknown male was seen with the victim at a diner near the recovery location (his sketch is available on the FBI flyer located under Sources at the bottom of this page). He is described as a white male, 5'8" to 5'9" with black wire rimmed glasses and a plaid shirt. He was driving a tan station wagon with side paneling.

It was reported that several truckers called in with information about a young girl who was traveling and catching rides where she could. One trucker swore he saw the girl the night before she was murdered trying to hitch a ride to Boston from a nearby truck stop.

she met her killer at a truckstop, and while this offender drove a tan stationwagon, he probably told her he was heading to Boston so she could hitch a ride. This offender may or may not be a truck driver, but he was at a truckstop.

so we are looking at Caledonia New York and Boston Massachusetts.

there is a child killer/rapist with ties to both

Lewis S. LENT Jr.
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site101/2013/0715/20130715_111306_LENT4_200.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site101/2013/0715/20130715_043438_LENT-Cold%20Case%20Westfield_500.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Cali_Doe_person_of_interest.jpg

http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lent-lewis.htm

Classification: Murderer
Characteristics: Rape - The body of Sara Ann was never found
Number of victims: 2 - 8 +
Date of murders: 1983 - 1994
Date of arrest: January 1995
Date of birth: 1950
Victims profile: Jimmy Bernardo, 12 / Sara Anne Wood, 12
Method of murder: Hanging - Beating with a tree limb
Location: Massachusetts/New York, USA
Status: Sentenced to life in prison without parole in Massachusetts, 1995. Sentenced to 25 years to life in prison in New York, 1997

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/07/jamie_lusher_case_update_hampd.html

Child serial killer Lewis Lent confesses to murder of Jamie Lusher, Westfield teen missing for over 20 years

Lewis Lent born 1950 would be 29 years old in 1979.

Convicted murderer Lewis S. Lent Jr. has confessed to killing missing Westfield teenager James "Jamie" Lusher, telling investigators he left the boy's body in a Becket pond, law enforcement officials announced Monday.

Hampden District Attorney Mark Mastroianni said Lent, already serving a life sentence for the 1990 murder of a 12-year-old boy and the attempted abduction of a Pittsfield girl, will not be prosecuted for Lusher's murder.

The news conference was held at South Middle School in town, where Lusher was a student.

James Lusher, father of the boy, said he never entirely believed Lent was the killer. For a long time he suspected that his son got into a fight with other kids.

"I was never certain," Lusher said. "I now believe 99 percent that this is what happened."

Lusher was described as a boy who loved his dog, his dirt bike and his time in the woods.

Investigators on Tuesday will launch a full search of Greenwater Pond in Becket.

Timothy Alben, commander of the Massachusetts State Police, said searching the pond is a daunting task. The pond is 88 square acres and is as deep as 58 feet in places. "We remain hopeful. We remain optimistic. But we also have to be realistic," Alban said.

Lusher was last seen by family on Nov. 6, 1992, riding his mountain bike toward his grandmother's Russell Road home in Blandford. He was 16 and living with his father, James D. Lusher, at 148 Ridgeview Terrace at the time of his disappearance.

An intensive search of the area followed, with police initially believing Lusher was hiding and afraid to come home. Several days after he went missing, police interviewed a girl who lived in the neighborhood, who said she'd seen and spoken to Lusher.

"She asked him why he was hiding. He said he's afraid he's in trouble," Lt. John Camerota told The Republican at the time.

But, a search involving K-9 units, helicopters, psychics, and the dredging of a pond near a wooded area where investigators found Lusher's bike failed to find the missing boy.

The case was featured in a January 1993 segment on the show "America's Most Wanted", and investigators received 70 new tips in the days that followed.
LENT_SENTENCING_23715.JPGLewis Lent appears Friday, April 11, 1997, in Herkimer County Court in Herkimer, N.Y., at his sentencing for the abduction and murder of Sara Anne Wood 1993. File photo | AP

Lent pleaded guilty in 1996 to the 1990 kidnapping and murder of Jimmy Bernardo, 12, of Pittsfield. He received a mandatory sentence of life in prison with no possibility of parole. He was later convicted in Herkimer, N.Y. for the kidnapping and murder of Sara Anne Wood, and sentenced to 25 years to life.

Investigators acknowledged Monday that Lent has often given conflicting accounts, leading investigators down a lot of blind alleys. But Mastroianni said police have been able to corroborate many of the details in Lent's recent confession.

Sara Anne Wood was a 12-year-old girl who disappeared on a quiet road near her Frankfort, New York, home in August 1993. Lewis Lent, a janitor from Massachusetts, confessed to kidnapping, sexually assaulting, and killing Sara, but he refused to say where he buried her body.

Lent had also plead guilty to the 1990 kidnapping and murder of 12-year-old Pittsfield, Massachusetts native Jimmy Bernardo. Lent abducted Jimmy from the Pittsfield movie theater where he worked as a janitor. He was sentenced to life without parole for the Bernardo murder and sentenced to 25 years to life for the Wood murder.

He is currently in prison in Massachusetts. Lent is also suspected in a number of other child kidnapping cases. Lent recanted his confession and refuses to disclose the location of Sara's body. Lent has said that he can't say where her body is because she is not buried alone. It has been speculated that Lent did not act alone and that his accomplice(s) are still at large.

Lent has ties to both New York and Massachusetts, targets children and kills them. This ties in with where Tammy was found dead and what the truckers said, about a girl wanting to hitch a ride to Boston.

It all lines up.

On Nov 9th, 1979 Tammy Jo Alexander was at a truckstop in Caledonia NY where she met a 29 year old Lewis Lent, who paid her dinner then shot her and dragged her to a corn field, on the false premise he would take her to Boston.

DanCart

12-14-2014, 06:14 PM

neognosis

12-14-2014, 06:27 PM

Interesting person of interest you have uncovered , the slightly receding hairline of the suspect vis-a-vis the composite drawing is intriguing ! Since there is a distinct lack of any sign of sexual assault on CJD it does lend credence to the fact that something may have happened in the time between the diner and the shooting......

One thing about Tammy that keeps gnawing in my mind is her home life prior to her disappearance.......why did she run away twice in the first place ? Trouble at home ?

Why didnt her parents report her missing in all these years ? Why did it take a friend to do so?

yeah thanks! i wonder if he drove a tan stationwagon with paneling or own a 0.38 caliber gun. if the waitress is still alive ask her if Lewis Lent is who she saw.

well the friend said this

For various reason’s Tammy developed wanderlust at a young age. Before she vanished completely she once ran away from home with a girlfriend, hitching rides with truckers, (people she felt she could trust) all the way from Florida to southern California before her friends mother bought plane tickets for both girl to return home..

wanderlust means of course Tammy wanted to travel. The friends said they were looking for Tammy, an old friend, in 2014!

this is where it all started

http://www.zabasearch.com/messages/zaba_messages_research.php?mquery=Tammy+Alexander

Message Sent Wednesday, March 19 1:25 (Pacific Time)
From: Gainesville , FL , US
Area Code: 352

Open this message I'm trying to find a woman named Tammy Jo Alexander. She would be 44 now and use to live in Brooksville, Florida. Her mother is Barbara Jenkins and her father is Bobby Alexander. I believe she was born in Atlanta on 11/2/63. She became missing in 1978-79 and may have fallen into prostitution in St. Petersburg. If anyone has any information they can reach me at proshop At peoplepc.com or call me at 352-688-9585 between 1pm and 8pm Eastern time. Thanks, Kevi - See more at: http://www.zabasearch.com/messages/zaba_messages_research.php?mquery=Tammy+Alexander#sthash.IswvA0eZ.dpuf

If Lewis Lent is her killer he intended to kill her as soon as he saw her.

he's not tall

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/15/article-2364728-1AD47B9B000005DC-956_634x706.jpg

his glasses stand out

DanCart

12-14-2014, 09:00 PM

neognosis

12-14-2014, 10:29 PM

Interesting points, have you submitted the name of this killer to the relevant investigative agencies ?

Yes , I am also amazed that it was the friends got the ball rolling in 2014 .....I am still puzzled as why Tammy`s family didnt seem concerned all this time .....something about her families silence doesnt add up :confused:

I've not. I'm sure though the idea occurred to them re: Lent but hell i'll see if i can shoot an email.

I can't say why exactly but some ideas

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For various reason’s Tammy developed wanderlust at a young age. Before she vanished completely she once ran away from home with a girlfriend, hitching rides with truckers, (people she felt she could trust) all the way from Florida to southern California before her friends mother bought plane tickets for both girl to return home..

and
2-

Her dad managed a local truck stop and ”she loved chatting on the CB radio with the truckers,” during a era when movies like ‘Convoy’ and ‘Smokey and the Bandit’ depicted long haul truckers as romantic knights of the interstate.

Her friend describes Tammy’s personality as “ very outgoing, not a shy bone in her body.”

her parents might have thought she started a new life and gotten married or something with a trucker. :crazy:

According to her very close high school girlfriend Tammy had the dreams and aspirations of a typical young teenager. A Future Business Leaders of America in high school she talked about going to the University of Florida, while at the same time spoke of her longing to marring her boyfriend Kevin when she turned 18.

Both Tammy and Cali Doe had very deep tan, Tammy has been in California and Cali Doe had pollen from trees that only reside in California so maybe Tammy told he parents she wanted to move to California and marry there.
Tammy obviously likes beaches.

care to explain further on this one ? :lol:

this is from
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

A waitress from a small dinner in Lima, New York, remembered seeing the girl the night before the murder, but she couldn't remember anything more. An unknown male was seen with the victim at a diner near the recovery location (his sketch is available on the FBI flyer located under Sources at the bottom of this page). He is described as a white male, 5'8" to 5'9" with black wire rimmed glasses and a plaid shirt. He was driving a tan station wagon with side paneling.

Lewis Lent is a white male, check
he has black wire rimmed glasses check
Lewis no height given but he could be 5'8-9"

he's abducted and murdered children, boys and girls in both New York and Mass. so we have that checked off.

according to
http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lent-lewis.htm

Sara Anne Wood was a 12-year-old girl who disappeared on a quiet road near her Frankfort, New York, home in August 1993. Lewis Lent, a janitor from Massachusetts, confessed to kidnapping, sexually assaulting, and killing Sara, but he refused to say where he buried her body.

Lent had also plead guilty to the 1990 kidnapping and murder of 12-year-old Pittsfield, Massachusetts native Jimmy Bernardo. Lent abducted Jimmy from the Pittsfield movie theater where he worked as a janitor. He was sentenced to life without parole for the Bernardo murder and sentenced to 25 years to life for the Wood murder.

He is currently in prison in Massachusetts. Lent is also suspected in a number of other child kidnapping cases. Lent recanted his confession and refuses to disclose the location of Sara's body. Lent has said that he can't say where her body is because she is not buried alone.

notice the dates, 1990, so they happened after CJD 1979 murder

The event that brought accused serial-child-killer Lewis Lent to the attention of authorities and the world was a January 7, 1994, attack on then 12-year-old Rebecca Savarese. It was early on a Friday morning in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, when Lent menaced the girl with a gun and tried to force her into his borrowed pickup truck. She pretended to be suddenly out of breath, fooling him for a crucial moment. She ran, shrugging out of her backpack when he grabbed for her, leaving it and him behind. When another man appeared to help her, Lent gave up the chase and drove away.

On Thursday, January 12, 1995, Lewis Lent, Jr., was convicted of several charges in relation to that attack. They were kidnapping, larceny, assault with a dangerous weapon and assault and battery. Becky testified against him at the trial and identified him in court.

Police arrested Lent after they found the truck with the backpack and loaded gun inside. The truck's owner was blind and told police he often loaned it to Lent. It was during three days of interrogation after the arrest that the real revelations came out: Lent confessed to murdering two children. He claimed that he was subject to blackouts and memory lapses.

when he was caught they found him with a loaded gun. I wonder if it was a gun 0.38. doesn't say.

CJD killer must have had a loaded gun to kill CJD. Lewis Lent, a child serial killer, lowest of the low, carried a loaded gun and used to to abduct children to be murdered.

DanCart

12-14-2014, 10:52 PM

I've not. I'm sure though the idea occurred to them re: Lent but hell i'll see if i can shoot an email.

I can't say why exactly but some ideas

1-

and
2-

her parents might have thought she started a new life and gotten married or something with a trucker. :crazy:

Both Tammy and Cali Doe had very deep tan, Tammy has been in California and Cali Doe had pollen from trees that only reside in California so maybe Tammy told he parents she wanted to move to California and marry there.
Tammy obviously likes beaches.

this is from
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1ufny.html

Lewis Lent is a white male, check
he has black wire rimmed glasses check
Lewis no height given but he could be 5'8-9"

he's abducted and murdered children, boys and girls in both New York and Mass. so we have that checked off.

according to
http://murderpedia.org/male.L/l/lent-lewis.htm

notice the dates, 1990, so they happened after CJD 1979 murder

when he was caught they found him with a loaded gun. I wonder if it was a gun 0.38. doesn't say.

CJD killer must have had a loaded gun to kill CJD. Lewis Lent, a child serial killer, lowest of the low, carried a loaded gun and used to to abduct children to be murdered.

Maybe you should shoot them an e-mail , dont assume (they know).. we all know what happens when you assume :lol: :) I have read cases were detectives have failed to make links and connections in cases ....:o anyway I like your line of thinking in regarding this Lent fella and the 3 checks :) :thumbsup:

Yes , good of you to point out the dates they are quite interesting ! One thing I have also wondered on regarding CJD is whether she may have been shot after resisting some kind of assault and escaping the vehicle .........the gun also makes interesting reading ......... CJD`s killer and Lent are either the same person or two of a kind :crazy:

I still can get over the way CJD was laid with one of legs in a slightly odd way , it almost reminds me of posing of victims .....

neognosis

12-14-2014, 11:09 PM

Maybe you should shoot them an e-mail , dont assume (they know).. we all know what happens when you assume :lol: :) I have read cases were detectives have failed to make links and connections in cases ....:o anyway I like your line of thinking in regarding this Lent fella and the 3 checks :) :thumbsup:

Yes , good of you to point out the dates they are quite interesting ! One thing I have also wondered on regarding CJD is whether she may have been shot after resisting some kind of assault and escaping the vehicle .........the gun also makes interesting reading ......... CJD`s killer and Lent are either the same person or two of a kind :crazy:

I still can get over the way CJD was laid with one of legs in a slightly odd way , it almost reminds me of posing of victims .....

what this could mean is that the 1979 homicide of CJD is "solved" in 2014, her killer is Lewis Lent Jr and her name is Tammy Jo Alexander. If Lewis is willing he could tell us exactly what happened, how he met her, what he and she said, and what happened. Perhaps he could be temporarily let out of prison to the road to tell cops what happened and lead them to the gun and/or items CJD like sunglasses or ID. Get out of prison for a couple of days, breathe fresh air and see sunshine is his reward.

CJD was shot in the face, in front, above her right eye. So I am wondering what sequence of events occurred from the Lima Dinar 9 miles away to that stretch of road by the cornfield. There is no mention of stippling or powder burns, which would tell us distance between her face and the gun. It's not clear if she had her hands up to try to shield and protect herself as evidence by gun soot/powder. If she were running away Id think she would be shot in the back. I think those details are intentionally kept confidential for investigation.

I did send them an email with my theory :lol: :lol: :lol:

She was shot first in the head by the roadside where there is a blood spot and tire tracks, then dragged into the field and shot in the back. they recovered the spent bullets. the picture you say could be either the killer or the farmer turning her over.

Necco

12-15-2014, 12:15 AM

Yeah, I posited the connection of Lewis Lent as the perp on Websleuths a week or so ago, but I suspect you saw that. Why don't you join Websleuths instead of funneling the information there over here?

Necco

12-15-2014, 12:17 AM

And I wouldn't hold your breath on Lent giving any information. He still hasn't given up the location of Sarah Anne Wood, among other victims.

neognosis

12-16-2014, 12:25 AM

yeah but i want dan to know so

DanCart

12-16-2014, 05:04 PM

yeah but i want dan to know so

:thanks:

Speaking of which, for some strange reason no one can join Websleuths I have heard of so many people who tried to join but couldnt even after filling up the registration many times ........anyway back to the subject of Lent , did he sexually assault his 2 known victims ?

Necco

12-16-2014, 05:15 PM

:thanks:

Speaking of which, for some strange reason no one can join Websleuths I have heard of so many people who tried to join but couldnt even after filling up the registration many times ........anyway back to the subject of Lent , did he sexually assault his 2 known victims ?

Are they trying to use a yahoo or google email address? They don't allow free email addresses. They have to be from either a paid service or someplace that you work/attend/belong to. AOL is an exception to the ISP rule due to issues with AOL itself. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?73472-Acceptable-Email-Addresses

DanCart

12-16-2014, 06:40 PM

Are they trying to use a yahoo or google email address? They don't allow free email addresses. They have to be from either a paid service or someplace that you work/attend/belong to. AOL is an exception to the ISP rule due to issues with AOL itself. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?73472-Acceptable-Email-Addresses

Aah , thats why , :thanks: for clearing that up :)

neognosis

12-16-2014, 09:50 PM

TracyLynnS

12-16-2014, 10:01 PM

You may still be able to join websleuths with a yahoo or other throwaway address.

I wanted to join so I could use their Search feature when looking up cases. I contacted them and told them why I had a yahoo address (frequent moves and didn't use a comcast or charter or other provider's address because of the hassle of constantly changing it).

I let them know I had been a member here for a few years and posted under the same user ID so they could check me out that way. Then someone who's also a member here and at websleuths put in a word for me with the WS mods. :)

baloony

05-26-2015, 09:19 AM

Caledonia Jane Doe has been indentified as Tammy Jo Alexander.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tammy_Alexander