Vivian one was funnier than Vivian two, but there is a better reason why.

The actress who played Vivian one cannot control her anger well like actor James Avery, who plays Phillip Banks, that can control his anger better.

Vivian two is somehow funny, but she knows how to control her anger better than Vivian one.

People who cannot control their anger get fired.

Do you mean controlling her anger on or off the set? I thought she got fired for her and Will not getting along.

She was fired because unlike the other cast members and entire studio crew; she did NOT kiss Will's A$$....and because of that she was unceremoniously terminated. Case Closed.

Here's the story of her departure:

The producers offered her a contract for the fourth season in which she could only appear in 9/26 episodes of that season and she wasn't allowed to make any guest appearances on other shows or movies. She refused to sign the contract declaring that she couldn't make a living off of that. Instead of re-negotiating the studio didn't call her back and recast the role.

Yes, there were problems with her and Will Smith, but that's not the actual reason why she was fired.

So she was fired off set after Will Smith turned her down correctly when she could not control her anger at all.

Will, while he had a lot of influence, had nothing to do with the production of the show (at least until the final season when he became executive producer) so he didn't fire her but I'm sure that he could have helped her keep her job if he wanted to.

As far as Janet's temper and Will's attitude, I don't know anything about as I was not actually there and it's difficult to know who was right (Will or Janet), but her contract was the actual reason behind her departure. And her feud with Will didn't help matters.

Here's the story of her departure:

The producers offered her a contract for the fourth season in which she could only appear in 9/26 episodes of that season and she wasn't allowed to make any guest appearances on other shows or movies. She refused to sign the contract declaring that she couldn't make a living off of that. Instead of re-negotiating the studio didn't call her back and recast the role.

Yes, there were problems with her and Will Smith, but that's not the actual reason why she was fired.

9 of 26 episodes??

9 of 26 episodes??
Yep, lol. I don't blame Janet. I would have been mad too if they only wanted me in 9 out of 26 episodes, not to mention the fact that she wouldn't be allowed to do any other movies or make guest spots in other TV shows.

Her contract got badly affected and messed up due to her nonstop controlled anger. Of course didn't fire her, the press release did.

Well that's what happen when people cannot control their anger, they get their contracts messed up and discontinued and finally get fired.

That's what also happened to actress Alexandra Krosney of Last Man Standing.

Her contract got badly affected and messed up due to her nonstop controlled anger. Of course didn't fire her, the press release did.

Well that's what happen when people cannot control their anger, they get their contracts messed up and discontinued and finally get fired.

That's what also happened to actress Alexandra Krosney of Last Man Standing.
Well, regardless of her attitude, I think they did her wrong. I mean, only giving her 9 out of 26 episodes if she had a bad attitude is understandable, but restricting from doing any other projects such as movies or TV guest spots? That's ridiculous.

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Her contract got badly affected and messed up due to her nonstop controlled anger. Of course didn't fire her, the press release did.

Well that's what happen when people cannot control their anger, they get their contracts messed up and discontinued and finally get fired.

That's what also happened to actress Alexandra Krosney of Last Man Standing.

I don't want to divert the discussion regarding another show, but where exactly do you have proof or "hard" evidence regarding what happened to Alexandra Krosney? :confused:

Here's the story of her departure:

The producers offered her a contract for the fourth season in which she could only appear in 9/26 episodes of that season and she wasn't allowed to make any guest appearances on other shows or movies. She refused to sign the contract declaring that she couldn't make a living off of that. Instead of re-negotiating the studio didn't call her back and recast the role.

Yes, there were problems with her and Will Smith, but that's not the actual reason why she was fired.

I wouldn't have been surprised if that was a "lowball" way of trying to "nicely" convince Janet to leave (instead of outright firing her at least at first).

Something to really interesting to take into account, is that several years back, Alfonsio Riberio (http://atlantablackstar.com/2011/12/28/janet-hubert-called-crazy-by-former-co-star-for-bashing-will-smith/) publically said that Janet (http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?t=244700) was hard to work with (http://theybf.com/2011/12/30/seriously-alfonso-ribeiro-speaks-out-about-original-aunt-viv-and-says-that-btch-was-crazy):
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But still, Janet was pregnant too during her last season working on this show. How much work could she have done anyway when she had a little baby?

No, I was talking about her contracts for the fourth season of the show, the year after her pregnancy. Her contract for the fourth season was the one she refused and got fired about.

TMC, whatever you were asking about Alexandra Krosney is somewhere in this website.

TMC, whatever you were asking about Alexandra Krosney is somewhere in this website.

So what, I'm supposed to immediately know where this info is located on this particular website!? :confused:

Try the "Last Man Standing" topic, TMC.

He starts talking about her around 2:15.

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Here's what she had to say (http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/837718-Janet-Hubert-%28The-first-Aunt-Viv%29-has-some-things-to-say-in-the-comments-of-this-Alphonso-Ribiero-video):

Interesting that he does not tell you why he legally cannot talk about it. He got paid lots of money to do me in. I would challenge him to a lie detector and he would fail. I am really sad that you people are this stupid to believe someone like Alphonso. It was way too late for me to sue him after seeing this video. I can only hope that you judge someone that you don't know by their caliber of work. Alphonso would do anything for Smith including lie like a rug. Why don't you check out his video and how he talks about white women, it is mean spirited and quite racist. It is called Carlton Loves white girls. If you want to know about folks look me up and I would gladly tell you instead of posting with fake ass names and such. Get some guts bottom feeders! For those of you who have supported me, thanks much, I appreciate it. To the ******* christopherkeefe who posted this piece of ****, I hope one day to meet you, then we can really have a conversation on why you make money off of the reputation of others. I wish you well on Dancing with the Stars Alfonso, even though you would not do the same for me. You were always more talented than Will. You didn't have to be his butt wipe. Now this is getting real folks. 

Ouch, this will never stop... :(

Yeah, I have really started wondering if they didn't do the right choice to fire her. I mean, I guess I can understand if it hurt back then. But it has been twentytwo years, and the woman just won't get over it!

I think I'd be resentful too if some 23 year old was my damn boss! At 23, many people are flipping burgers to finance their student college loans, not being bosses of people older than them!

Was he really her boss though? Yeah, I know that he got more and more influence over the show. But he was hardly her boss when the show started.

Was he really her boss though? Yeah, I know that he got more and more influence over the show. But he was hardly her boss when the show started.
He had influence over the show right from the beginning. The show was created for him.

If she resented Will being the star of the show then she souldn't of signed up to do the show in the first place.

Yeah, that is true enough. She sounds like Max Wright, who has complained about play second banana to Alf, despite the fact that he must have known who was the star of the show.

They fired her because, even if you think she's funny or not, she doesn't know how to control her anger as well as Phil. That's also the another reason why some of you were complaining that Will and Janet could no longer get along with each other anymore beforehand.

Ouch, this will never stop... :(

I'm sure Will doesn't like her but he's never said anything negative about her publicly. Alfonso should have minded his business. I don't remember her ever calling him out specifically before. I think his comment is what caused her to turn her anger on him too.

She has a right to be angry and bitter as long as she wants. But with her career on the line she should have kept her feelings to herself. I think she would have gone further in her career. Lashing out all the time gives people the impression that she is difficult to work with. And if she was treated unfairly no one will believe her. She is ironically proving what Will and the rest said about her. If she just kept quiet and focused on her career the past 20 years people wouldn't talk about this as often as they do.

Vivian one got fired because she wanted to be the star of the show, and that put her in conflict with Will Smith, who the show was based upon. 20 years later, she is still badmouthing Will Smith. Meanwhile, at the time, Will Smith mentioned she was difficult to work with and wanted the show to be about her, but after 1995, he has taken the high road, despite being 20 years younger. That tells you all you need to know about Viv 1.

Well, regardless of her attitude, I think they did her wrong. I mean, only giving her 9 out of 26 episodes if she had a bad attitude is understandable, but restricting from doing any other projects such as movies or TV guest spots? That's ridiculous.

That's what happens when you make enemies with the star of the show. It was called the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, not "Aunt Viv of Bel Air." She was better than Viv 2, but she pretty much forced the producers to choose between Will Smith and her. An incredibly stupid move, as even then it was obvious that Will Smith was going to go on to bigger and better things, which he did.

Yeah, viv1 was difficult for Will to work with and I was wondering why she couldn't control her anger as Phil.

During her last season of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Janet's attitude had gotten so nasty that she would complain about the daughters being portrayed as sluts (her perception), she would snap at Will for inviting her along with the other cast members to his dressing room "...to listen to loud music". She even said that when she was pregnant, she was so moody that when she would be seated on the set and another cast member would sit next to her, she would give them a mean look and get up and sit somewhere else away from them.

The producers even had a few discussions with her about her behavior because they wanted to keep her. But because she refused to change, she was unceremoniously dumped. She said that she had invested her money in a new dance studio when she received a call from her agent that she was fired from The Fresh Prince. She said that when she received the news, she screamed so loud that she probably shattered the windows in her house.

Immediately after being fired, she fessed up to her behavior but placed the finger of blame of her termination on the producers. She had convinced people that she was the victim to the point that a lot of Black actresses at the time rallied with her in support and refused to apply for the Aunt Viv part. As we know, Daphne Maxwell Reid was the only one who stepped up to the plate.

It was only after Independence Day that Janet turned her blame game away from the Fresh Prince producers and turned it towards Will.

During her last season of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Janet's attitude had gotten so nasty that she would complain about the daughters being portrayed as sluts (her perception), she would snap at Will for inviting her along with the other cast members to his dressing room "...to listen to loud music". She even said that when she was pregnant, she was so moody that when she would be seated on the set and another cast member would sit next to her, she would give them a mean look and get up and sit somewhere else away from them.

The producers even had a few discussions with her about her behavior because they wanted to keep her. But because she refused to change, she was unceremoniously dumped. She said that she had invested her money in a new dance studio when she received a call from her agent that she was fired from The Fresh Prince. She said that when she received the news, she screamed so loud that she probably shattered the windows in her house.

Immediately after being fired, she fessed up to her behavior but placed the finger of blame of her termination on the producers. She had convinced people that she was the victim to the point that a lot of Black actresses at the time rallied with her in support and refused to apply for the Aunt Viv part. As we know, Daphne Maxwell Reid was the only one who stepped up to the plate.

It was only after Independence Day that Janet turned her blame game away from the Fresh Prince producers and turned it towards Will.
Ouch…

I know that some women are really moody and weird during pregnancies. But wow, it is no wonder that they had to fire her.

In this video she blasts Will Smith, calls him a liar, blasts black YouTubers, and talk shows.
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That's what happens when you make enemies with the star of the show. It was called the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, not "Aunt Viv of Bel Air." She was better than Viv 2, but she pretty much forced the producers to choose between Will Smith and her. An incredibly stupid move, as even then it was obvious that Will Smith was going to go on to bigger and better things, which he did.

I remember James Avery saying something (I think that it was on an episode of E! True Hollywood Story on Will Smith) that pretty much tried to put things into proper perspective. He said that of course selfishly, he would want more storylines focused on him but at the end of the day, it's not called "The Uncle Phil Show".

I agree she was the better Viv but I'm kinda surprised they hired someone so black to begin with considering how big colorism is in Hollywood and even the black community as Oprah herself said!

Robin Quivers, Howard Stern's sidekick for decades, also said how big colorism is in the black community.

Janet Hubert Whitten Calls Alfonso Ribeiro Will Smith's Dirty "Little Tampon"

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There are two very different versions of The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. A lot of the best Fresh Prince of Bel Air episodes come from the first three seasons of the shows run, and there might be a reason for that. The writing of the show shifted dramatically after Aunt Viv was fired following the third seasons, and it led to long lasting changes. The Fresh Prince is split in half, and even if you're like me, and still love the show after the firing, its clear that it was different. This is a look at how.

I agree she was the better Viv but I'm kinda surprised they hired someone so black to begin with considering how big colorism is in Hollywood and even the black community as Oprah herself said!

Robin Quivers, Howard Stern's sidekick for decades, also said how big colorism is in the black community.

Robin Quivers is the spokesperson for all black people?

Robin Quivers is the spokesperson for all black people?

I also mentioned Oprah. Don't you think Oprah knows the black community?? Not only did Oprah grow up there but she knows MANY people who grew up in the black community too with her having such a famous persona.

I also mentioned Oprah. Don't you think Oprah knows the black community?? Not only did Oprah grow up there but she knows MANY people who grew up in the black community too with her having such a famous persona.

So you're claiming that Oprah said that Viv 1 never should have been hired because she's too black?

So you're claiming that Oprah said that Viv 1 never should have been hired because she's too black?

No but Oprah said how prevalent colorism is in the black community just like Robin Quivers and others have said.

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I agree she was the better Viv but I'm kinda surprised they hired someone so black to begin with considering how big colorism is in Hollywood and even the black community as Oprah herself said!

Robin Quivers, Howard Stern's sidekick for decades, also said how big colorism is in the black community.

True, but the first Viv actress had anger management problems that got her, not only to not get along with Will, but got removed from the show. Deceased Phil actor James Avery knows how to control his anger management and that’s why he was kept until the end.

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Joseph Marcell, legendary actor from the Fresh Prince Of Bel Air speaks candidly about Janet Hubert's exit from the show & how it all went down. Joseph Marcell played the roll of Jeffery Butler on the show the entire time it was on air. He also shared a deep relationship with Janet! You don't want to miss this one!

Out of those 11 mins, he spent 10 of those mins saying nothing

and too much stuttering for me

Viv 1 should've realized this show is a GOLD MINE for her & should've simply negotiated the best deal possible WITH residuals. If she did that she'd be a millionaire many times over by now with the DECADES this has been in reruns!

She should've known she would NEVER get an acting job NEARLY this good again & she never did!

Out of those 11 mins, he spent 10 of those mins saying nothing

and too much stuttering for me

Here's some cliff-notes for those who don't have time to watch the entire video:

His relationship with Janet was close, they got along
The show was called the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Will was the lead. Janet couldn't deal with that.
Success corrupts, it was hard for some of them to deal with it
He got a call from Will asking him if they should get rid of Janet. He said he told Will you have to do what you have to do. James Avery called him and asked him too. He said he will do nothing to "cut her legs from her" because he respected her
Janet called him and he told her that it's Will's show, he's given you as best as he can give you
Will called him a few days later and said they can't make a deal with Janet, they offered her a compromise and she didn't want it.
They gave her a time limit for the compromise and she didn't meet it. She called a few days later and said she changed her mind and they told her no.

Here's some clifnotes for those who don't have time to watch the entire video:

His relationship with Janet was close, they got along
The show was called the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Will was the lead. Janet couldn't deal with that.
Success corrupts, it was hard for some of them to deal with it
He got a call from Will asking him if they should get rid of Janet. He said he told Will you have to do what you have to do. James Avery called him and asked him too. He said he will do nothing to "cut her legs from her" because he respected her
Janet called him and he told her that it's Will's show, he's given you as best as he can give you
Will called him a few days later and said they can't make a deal with Janet, they offered her a compromise and she didn't want it.
They gave her a time limit for the compromise and she didn't meet it. She called a few days later and said she changed her mind and they told her no.



Thanks he was doing too much rambling

Here's some clifnotes for those who don't have time to watch the entire video:

His relationship with Janet was close, they got along
The show was called the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Will was the lead. Janet couldn't deal with that.
Success corrupts, it was hard for some of them to deal with it
He got a call from Will asking him if they should get rid of Janet. He said he told Will you have to do what you have to do. James Avery called him and asked him too. He said he will do nothing to "cut her legs from her" because he respected her
Janet called him and he told her that it's Will's show, he's given you as best as he can give you
Will called him a few days later and said they can't make a deal with Janet, they offered her a compromise and she didn't want it.
They gave her a time limit for the compromise and she didn't meet it. She called a few days later and said she changed her mind and they told her no.


You mean Will was deciding how much Janet would earn per episode?? That's not the way it usually works. It should've been between her agent & the producers.

What was the deal Will offered Janet?

Here's some cliff-notes for those who don't have time to watch the entire video:

His relationship with Janet was close, they got along
The show was called the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, Will was the lead. Janet couldn't deal with that.
Success corrupts, it was hard for some of them to deal with it
He got a call from Will asking him if they should get rid of Janet. He said he told Will you have to do what you have to do. James Avery called him and asked him too. He said he will do nothing to "cut her legs from her" because he respected her
Janet called him and he told her that it's Will's show, he's given you as best as he can give you
Will called him a few days later and said they can't make a deal with Janet, they offered her a compromise and she didn't want it.
They gave her a time limit for the compromise and she didn't meet it. She called a few days later and said she changed her mind and they told her no.


It also has to do with Janet's Anger Management failure that also got led her to her firing along the way.

LOL..now this Hubert-Whitten lady gets NO major roles anymore & is basically forgotten.

She should've realized what she had!

LOL..now this Hubert-Whitten lady gets NO major roles anymore & is basically forgotten.

She should've realized what she had!

Especially right after she ended up in soap opera shows.

At least Willard and Janet made up about 25 years later but she should never gotten fired, she was more strict than her replacement

At least Willard and Janet made up about 25 years later but she should never gotten fired, she was more strict than her replacement

True. Although, I will agree that Janet is supposed to strict as James, but, unfortunately, Janet doesn't control her anger well as James and that's another reason why Will and Janet couldn't get along with each before she was fired back then, TBH, IMO.