For me, with each season, she waned a little more each season, so it isn't just the change from Edna's Edibles to OOH. And S6 has EGOC; Talk, Talk, Talk; Two Guys from Appleton; and The Interview Show, all of which have nice moments for Mrs. Garrett. S7 has We Get Letters, and that episode is not one I'm fond of. I would have sent a letter, had I watched it on its original airing.



I absolutely agree with you on that one Retro: 'We got letters' was a rather weird episode, and yes, season 6 has got some centered episodes with MRS G (like the ones you mentioned) but you forgot 'Working it out': it is a BLAIR and MRS G centered one, and one of the last time we see them really interacting together...

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You got me really intrigued now Christopher and i wonder if you're right: season 7 is the only DVD i haven't got from FOL, but now i wonder if i should get it, considering how much praise you give it?

It's better than season 9 :lol: I like season 7 because it showcases the girls friendship. We see a lot of core four episodes than character centered episodes and that was a nice change from the Blair & Jo show the previous two years :p

Season 6 is really the transition of the relationship between JO and BLAIR: up until now, all they did was quarrel/snap at each other and behaved more like 'frenemies': all of that changed by the opening of season 6 and JO's new hairdo; from then on, you would see BLAIR and JO hanging around, spending most of their time together and enjoying each other's company.

You're absolutely right! Season 5 tried to keep the Blair / Jo friction from the previous three years. Season 6 is when they finally grow up and accept they're friends. I think a lot of that was formed in the season 5 finale though when Jo and Blair reconcile from their fight.

For me, with each season, she waned a little more each season, so it isn't just the change from Edna's Edibles to OOH. And S6 has EGOC; Talk, Talk, Talk; Two Guys from Appleton; and The Interview Show, all of which have nice moments for Mrs. Garrett. S7 has We Get Letters, and that episode is not one I'm fond of. I would have sent a letter, had I watched it on its original airing.

EGOC and Two Guys From Appleton are definitely Mrs. Garrett centered episodes. Talk, Talk, Talk is a Jo centered episode getting support to pass her class so she doesn't fail. The Interview Show is an episode about all them rather than one particular character.

We Get Letters is the only Mrs. Garrett centered episode, but she has a big part in Men For All Seasons, A New Life, The Christmas Baby, Born Too Late, and The Graduate. In season 6 they're shoving Mrs. Garrett in the background to showcase the core 4 or the beloved Blair & Jo show :lol:

you forgot 'Working it out': it is a BLAIR and MRS G centered one, and one of the last time we see them really interacting together...


Did you forget they're lovely exchange in The Christmas Baby when Blair asks Mrs. Garrett to help her pray? That is a classic scene and one of the best. How could you forget?!?!?! :schmack::schmack::schmack::schmack::schmack::schmack:

I absolutely agree with you on that one Retro: 'We got letters' was a rather weird episode, and yes, season 6 has got some centered episodes with MRS G (like the ones you mentioned) but you forgot 'Working it out': it is a BLAIR and MRS G centered one, and one of the last time we see them really interacting together.

It's been so long since I've seen Working it Out that I definitely need to re-review it. Thanks for the correction!

i am about half way through season 6. As others have said, it is Jo/Blair heavy. In one episode Blair took Jo to court mostly in part down to how close she felt she and Jo were.

The Christmas episode that season at the prison was an odd one. They spent a lot of it just singing songs.

The episode with Jo getting a talking computer to help her with a problem; you don't get those episodes in TV these days. I think a lot of 80s shows had episodes were writers thought the public wouldn't understand the limits of computers so they could get away with it.

i am about half way through season 6. As others have said, it is Jo/Blair heavy. In one episode Blair took Jo to court mostly in part down to how close she felt she and Jo were.

Not a great episode, as Jo acts shockingly callous towards Blair. It feels out of character, IMO. With some tweaks, it could have been so much better.


The Christmas episode that season at the prison was an odd one. They spent a lot of it just singing songs.

I wish they had had a Christmas episode at Eastland.


The episode with Jo getting a talking computer to help her with a problem; you don't get those episodes in TV these days. I think a lot of 80s shows had episodes were writers thought the public wouldn't understand the limits of computers so they could get away with it.

I do love the end of that episode, despite the ridiculous talking computer. Logic tells Jo to end her friendship with Blair. Jo knows that logic fails when it comes to relationships.

It's better than season 9 :lol: I like season 7 because it showcases the girls friendship. We see a lot of core four episodes than character centered episodes and that was a nice change from the Blair & Jo show the previous two years :p



You're absolutely right! Season 5 tried to keep the Blair / Jo friction from the previous three years. Season 6 is when they finally grow up and accept they're friends. I think a lot of that was formed in the season 5 finale though when Jo and Blair reconcile from their fight.



EGOC and Two Guys From Appleton are definitely Mrs. Garrett centered episodes. Talk, Talk, Talk is a Jo centered episode getting support to pass her class so she doesn't fail. The Interview Show is an episode about all them rather than one particular character.

We Get Letters is the only Mrs. Garrett centered episode, but she has a big part in Men For All Seasons, A New Life, The Christmas Baby, Born Too Late, and The Graduate. In season 6 they're shoving Mrs. Garrett in the background to showcase the core 4 or the beloved Blair & Jo show




Did you forget they're lovely exchange in The Christmas Baby when Blair asks Mrs. Garrett to help her pray? That is a classic scene and one of the best. How could you forget?!?!?! :schmack:



Hi Christopher!:wave:

I could never forget the lovely exchange between BLAIR and MRS G in the episode 'The Christmas Baby': it's just that it was so brief, and i wish it could have lasted a bit longer...:heart::heart::heart:

Season 7 does have a few good episodes indeed, unfortunately it also has got a lot of crap ones: something you don't see in any other season (even the season 9 you're not so fond of) but i might give it a go and try to get it for a cheaper price, just to see the great few episodes it has to offer!;););)

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It's been so long since I've seen Working it Out that I definitely need to re-review it. Thanks for the correction!



The reason i love the episode 'Working it out' so much, is because in a way it takes us back in time, when the girls were still going to 'Eastland': it's actually the only episode in season 6 (except maybe for 'The Interview Show') where we see a bit of the 'old MRS G'; the motherly and caring surrogate mother who wants what's best for her girls and does everything to keep them together as a family....
In all the other season 6 episodes, MRS G is either absent, or doesn't play a major role.

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The Eleanor episode was a fiesty Natalie and Tootie episode.

Also saw the introduction of Andy. Not keen so far.

And the episode opened and closed with an establishing shot of the store from outside!

The Eleanor episode was a fiesty Natalie and Tootie episode.

Also saw the introduction of Andy. Not keen so far.

And the episode opened and closed with an establishing shot of the store from outside!



I was never a fan of ANDY either: he was trying too hard to be funny, and he was always in the way!!!!!

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The Eleanor episode was a fiesty Natalie and Tootie episode.

Also saw the introduction of Andy. Not keen so far.

If they had to have a street urchin, he was the best choice. But why did they keep foisting street urchins on the show?

Still, he's an appealing kid.

Have just watched the episode where it is revealed that Blair and Chip have split up. Funny as he never even appears in the episode. A decent one though.

I find it curious just how popular this show is. This section of this forum is so busy all the time. A lot of you just cannot get enough of the show. Not knocking it. I am enjoying the show but doubt whether I would ever watch it all again. Perhaps the odd episode. I have found myself thinking that I would like to watch the first season after season nine is done as I miss the lost girls.

I find it curious just how popular this show is. This section of this forum is so busy all the time. A lot of you just cannot get enough of the show.

I enjoy most seasons of this show very much. Even some of the crappier seasons have some great individual episodes. And there's something very comforting about Mrs. Garrett and her advice, which has held up over the past 40 years: Be kind. Be true to yourself. Stand up for what you believe in. These words are powerful, and have meaning in our times, today. Charlotte Rae has left us, but her words still echo out to us to this day.

There was something a little special about The Facts of Life. They were better about continuity than most 1980s sitcoms (although admittedly that started to slide towards the end of the series). Of course, by the end, there had been so many changes that it felt like a different show. Despite that fact, different eras of the series appeal to different people.


Not knocking it. I am enjoying the show but doubt whether I would ever watch it all again. Perhaps the odd episode. I have found myself thinking that I would like to watch the first season after season nine is done as I miss the lost girls.

For me, the first seasons of the show were magical. Watching them takes me back to a time when I was still learning the lessons on the show. Watching the show feels like comfort food. And talking about the show, even when we disagree about different aspects, it really nice: we all notice different things, and come to different conclusions. That alone is a lot of fun.

The characters of Cindy, Sue Ann, Nancy, and Molly were wonderful, and it is a real shame we saw them less and less as the years went along. Getting a reunion with three of them in Season 8 was a dream come true for a viewer like me. We, as viewers, miss seeing characters we liked, and there was a lot to like about the Lost Girls, unlike, say characters like Brenda or Emily, who had no meat to their characters.

I find it curious just how popular this show is. This section of this forum is so busy all the time. A lot of you just cannot get enough of the show.

Right? It's strange. It's not like "The Golden Girls" which is extremely popular all over the world and has all kinds of merchandise going on today. You're proud to say you're a GG fan, but don't feel people would react well if you proudly said you're a FOL fan. You would expect stares and "Oh...okay"s. It's just never had that pop culture embrace by the public in a way that shows like GG have. FOL has always seemed like a "guilty pleasure" show whereas GG was SO popular it became cool to love it.

I myself was floored about 20 years ago to see that GG wasn't one of the highest '80s shows on this board, but FOL was. I would have definitely expected the opposite.

...there was a lot to like about the Lost Girls, unlike, say characters like Brenda or Emily, who had no meat to their characters.

I dunno Retro, I think Brenda's character is...

adequate.

;)

I dunno Retro, I think Brenda's character is...

adequate.

;)

Haha! I'm glad someone said it! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hi, I’m Sitcommania, and I’m a FOL fan.

I’ve notice Golden Girls is the reigning show with 4 (or more) female leads. Sex and the City comes close, but it can be polarizing.

So, why GG? I think it’s because it’s the most consistent. Besides the great writing and acting, there were no new sets, no new characters, no cast changes, no new theme songs. They also never got bogged down with ancillary long term boyfriends and husbands. They just had Stan and Miles, you didn’t have much of I hate the episodes with ____”. FOL, Designing Women, Sex and the City, even Cheers, had some or all of those changes.

Hi, I’m Sitcommania, and I’m a FOL fan.

I’ve notice Golden Girls is the reigning show with 4 (or more) female leads. Sex and the City comes close, but it can be polarizing.

So, why GG? I think it’s because it’s the most consistent. Besides the great writing and acting, there were no new sets, no new characters, no cast changes, no new theme songs. They also never got bogged down with ancillary long term boyfriends and husbands. They just had Stan and Miles, you didn’t have much of I hate the episodes with ____”. FOL, Designing Women, Sex and the City, even Cheers, had some or all of those changes.

Good point about GG not having any major cast changes. Stan and Miles were never in the opening credits, so it's not like they were introducing new dynamics.

(I did dislike the GG episode where it turned out Miles wasn't Miles and was actually someone else, but that was just one episode I have to ignore.)

Any show with folk under the age of about 20 has got to change quite a bit as characters age.

TGG is unique in that the cast was the same for all 7 seasons with hardly any changes.

I think something I may have been getting at is that FOL isn't that well known abroad I don't think, yet it is just so active on this board. Mind you, lots of popular shows at the time have little fan action a few years after their time.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on the show.

I find myself very tempted to buy a single season set of the show to see if the picture quality is different to what I have but everything about my set, other than the poor PQ, says it is not a bootleg. Sturdy cardboard box, booklet, proper pressed looking disks.

Any show with folk under the age of about 20 has got to change quite a bit as characters age.

It's true: you can't have the same story-lines that you had when the characters were seven years younger.


TGG is unique in that the cast was the same for all 7 seasons with hardly any changes.

Yep. And the thing is, you could watch the episodes of The Golden Girls completely out of sequence and they would still make sense.

You can't do that with The Facts of Life. Watch "IQ" and then watch "Something in Common" and you will be screaming, "Who are these people?!" It's a completely different cast. :lol:


I think something I may have been getting at is that FOL isn't that well known abroad I don't think, yet it is just so active on this board. Mind you, lots of popular shows at the time have little fan action a few years after their time.

Here in the US, it's on Pluto TV (https://reelgood.com/show/the-facts-of-life-1979), Antenna TV (https://tvlistings.gracenote.com/overview-affiliates.html?programSeriesId=SH00001529&tmsId=EP000001880064&from=ssl&aid=antennatv), and a while back, a few select episodes were on METV. Many episodes are also on the Daily Motion video streaming site. But of course, the best way to watch, IMO, are the DVDs (which mostly unedited).


Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on the show.

I find myself very tempted to buy a single season set of the show to see if the picture quality is different to what I have but everything about my set, other than the poor PQ, says it is not a bootleg. Sturdy cardboard box, booklet, proper pressed looking disks.

Good luck with your quest for a better picture quality! I had no issues with the first four seasons.

I impulse bought either season 7 or 8 today as it was the cheapest of the seasons I have yet to see and cheapest over all. Part of me hopes the PQ is the same and that it is all of you with bad eyesight. ;)

I have watched many a dvd were folk have complained about the picture and I think, what are they on about, it looks fine.

TGG is a show where you could quite easily swap episodes about and it wouldn't be as obivios as it would be with FOL.

Any show with folk under the age of about 20 has got to change quite a bit as characters age.

TGG is unique in that the cast was the same for all 7 seasons with hardly any changes.

I think something I may have been getting at is that FOL isn't that well known abroad I don't think, yet it is just so active on this board. Mind you, lots of popular shows at the time have little fan action a few years after their time.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on the show.

I find myself very tempted to buy a single season set of the show to see if the picture quality is different to what I have but everything about my set, other than the poor PQ, says it is not a bootleg. Sturdy cardboard box, booklet, proper pressed looking disks.



You're very right about FOL, Bachu:it isn't well known abroad (or at least not in so many countries).
In fact, i grew up watching DS, but had never heard of FOL until i discovered by pure coincidence on a PEOPLE's magazine!
To tell you the truth, i find it very odd that such a wonderful and life teaching show like FOL isn't know everywhere: characters such as MRS G and the 'Core of 4' are hard to forget, and once you get to know them, they remain buried in your heart and a part of you...
The same goes with the 'LOST GIRLS', who were the root of this show to begin with lol!

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PS: you guys must think of me as cheesy, right?

PS: you guys must think of me as cheesy, right?

Not at all! In fact, I'd trust you to bring in the cheese dip, when Cindy would not! :lol:

Not at all! In fact, I'd trust you to bring in the cheese dip, when Cindy would not! :lol:



Thank you Retro!

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A lot of American shows made it to the UK but only had the first season or show screened only to never be seen again until Satallite Television came along. We had ALF and Small Wonder but only the first seasons were shown from memory which with ALF is odd as we also had toys and comics and posters.

I am not sure if all of Diff'rent Strokes was shwon by the BBC who I think showed it originally.

Facts was screen on Sky, possibly from start to finish. I only recall seeing the odd Over Our Heads opening as I thought the theme tune catchy. I would imagine that they showed the whole thing.

A lot of American shows made it to the UK but only had the first season or show screened only to never be seen again until Satallite Television came along. We had ALF and Small Wonder but only the first seasons were shown from memory which with ALF is odd as we also had toys and comics and posters.

I am not sure if all of Diff'rent Strokes was shwon by the BBC who I think showed it originally.

Facts was screen on Sky, possibly from start to finish. I only recall seeing the odd Over Our Heads opening as I thought the theme tune catchy. I would imagine that they showed the whole thing.




Did you watch ALF???? I thought it was the most boring thing that ever came on TV and that it was for babies!!! (maybe i was too old for it back then lol, cos my younger sister did watch it and even had the cassettes)

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ALF is hilarious. It's even funnier as an adult! He is such a character! :rofl:

ALF is hilarious. It's even funnier as an adult! He is such a character! :rofl:



I guess i prefer dramas/family shows over comedies/jokes lol!

When ALF was on, i was watching WONDER YEARS, RAG FOR THE RICHES, FAMILY TIES etc...

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Did you watch ALF???? I thought it was the most boring thing that ever came on TV and that it was for babies!!! (maybe i was too old for it back then lol, cos my younger sister did watch it and even had the cassettes)

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Yes, I enjoyed it. Never found it boring. Different strokes for different folks. :happyface

Yes, I enjoyed it. Never found it boring. Different strokes for different folks. :happyface


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Not a great episode, as Jo acts shockingly callous towards Blair. It feels out of character, IMO. With some tweaks, it could have been so much better.

I don't understand the Jo hate in this particular episode. In the episode, The Way We Were, Blair breaks Jo's carburetor looking for her pumps and never apologizes. She instead acts like a ditzy blonde explaining the situation to Jo and hands her a blank check. How come you guys never harp on Blair for her callous response to breaking Jo's property but crucify Jo for how she responded? It's the same thing. They both act like asses to each other but I get why Jo behaved the way she did. Blair didn't care when she broke Jo's property so why would Jo care when Blair just throws money around to replace things?

I impulse bought either season 7 or 8 today as it was the cheapest of the seasons I have yet to see and cheapest over all. Part of me hopes the PQ is the same and that it is all of you with bad eyesight. ;)

I have watched many a dvd were folk have complained about the picture and I think, what are they on about, it looks fine.

TGG is a show where you could quite easily swap episodes about and it wouldn't be as obivios as it would be with FOL.

I definitely think Shout could have done better with the picture quality. The problem is they shove 8 or more episodes on a disc to keep it a 3 disc DVD set. Compare the quality of Shout's releases to Sony's releases of seasons 1 - 3 and you can see a huge difference in quality.

I don't care for The Golden Girls. It's just a rip off of The Facts of Life. The only reason TGG is so popular is because it's old ladies acting trashy.

I don't understand the Jo hate in this particular episode. In the episode, The Way We Were, Blair breaks Jo's carburetor looking for her pumps and never apologizes. She instead acts like a ditzy blonde explaining the situation to Jo and hands her a blank check. How come you guys never harp on Blair for her callous response to breaking Jo's property but crucify Jo for how she responded? It's the same thing. They both act like asses to each other but I get why Jo behaved the way she did. Blair didn't care when she broke Jo's property so why would Jo care when Blair just throws money around to replace things?

Blair does try to pay for her damages though.


I don't care for The Golden Girls. It's just a rip off of The Facts of Life. The only reason TGG is so popular is because it's old ladies acting trashy.

It's not a rip-off and they don't act trashy. There are some coincidences between this and GG and DW. TGG is so popular because of superb acting, writing, direction, and chemistry. It's a classic. And it will always be credited as the ultimate female sitcom, despite FOL doing it first in seasons 2 - 5.

But, I know, different strokes for different folks, lol. :wave: You don't like GG, Cheers, or Seinfeld, you never saw Sesame Street, you prefer Cloris over Betty. You're a rebel! :lol:

Blair does try to pay for her damages though.

Jo was going to do the same. She said to Blair she would buy her a new watch and Blair said no, it's alright. So how is it different?



It's not a rip-off and they don't act trashy. There are some coincidences between this and GG and DW. TGG is so popular because of superb acting, writing, direction, and chemistry. It's a classic. And it will always be credited as the ultimate female sitcom, despite FOL doing it first in seasons 2 - 5.

But, I know, different strokes for different folks, lol. :wave: You don't like GG, Cheers, or Seinfeld, and you prefer Cloris over Betty. You're a rebel! :lol:


FOL is a show about girls going through real life situations in their younger years. TGG has older women going through real life situations in their older years. The FOL started the trend of female friends living together with a matriarch type friend. TGG has three friends living together and a matriarch to one of the women there as well. Dorothy and Blanche are complete rip offs of Jo and Blair. FOL had the girls go into business and the GG went into business in their spin off. They took so many things from FOL to make TGG work. It's overrated garbage IMO.

The only reason Betty is popular is because she looks like the sweet grandmother everyone wants. Betty is nowhere near the talented actress Cloris was.

Jo was going to do the same. She said to Blair she would buy her a new watch and Blair said no, it's alright. So how is it different?

I'd have to see the episode again to refresh myself. But I do remember just really disliking Jo's behavior there (and in the scoreboard show).


TGG has three friends living together and a matriarch to one of the women there as well. Dorothy and Blanche are complete rip offs of Jo and Blair.

I can't agree to that.


FOL had the girls go into business and the GG went into business in their spin off.

That's a different show though, not TGG.


It's overrated garbage IMO.

I think it's deserved every award it's gotten. Actually I'm currently re-watching the series on Saturday nights to bring back those '80s childhood Saturday nights.


The only reason Betty is popular is because she looks like the sweet grandmother everyone wants. Betty is nowhere near the talented actress Cloris was.

Well, we all have opinions. :nod: They're both very talented. Betty's range between Sue Ann, Ellen, and Rose alone is amazing (and it's often the Rose type of character who is the hardest to play to make it work just right).

Blair does try to pay for her damages though.

Also, Blair didn't apologize! Jo did apologize and offered to buy a new watch. Blair never apologized. She treated Jo like the blank check she handed to her. Why doesn't Blair get crucified for this but Jo does for calling Blair out in that episode?

Also, Blair didn't apologize! Jo did apologize and offered to buy a new watch. Blair never apologized. She treated Jo like the blank check she handed to her. Why doesn't Blair get crucified for this but Jo does for calling Blair out in that episode?

I don't know! :lol: She's just so much more sympathetic I guess. Again, I'd have to watch it again to see it all unfold, lol.

I don't understand the Jo hate in this particular episode. In the episode, The Way We Were, Blair breaks Jo's carburetor looking for her pumps and never apologizes. She instead acts like a ditzy blonde explaining the situation to Jo and hands her a blank check. How come you guys never harp on Blair for her callous response to breaking Jo's property but crucify Jo for how she responded? It's the same thing. They both act like asses to each other but I get why Jo behaved the way she did. Blair didn't care when she broke Jo's property so why would Jo care when Blair just throws money around to replace things?

Blair calls it a "mistake" (at about 20 minutes in) and at least has the sense to feel bad. I don't remember Jo feeling bad at all, just handing Blair a broken watch.

Blair does her typical thing and throws money at the problem. Jo's callousness feels... out of character for her.


I don't care for The Golden Girls. It's just a rip off of The Facts of Life. The only reason TGG is so popular is because it's old ladies acting trashy.

I enjoy The Facts of Life more than The Golden Girls, but The Golden Girls is more than just old ladies acting trashy. In fact, Rose and Dorothy are rarely trashy, and Dorothy's role as the high-minded, well-educated, ethical one is a character rarely seen in 1980s sitcoms.

Blair calls it a "mistake" (at about 20 minutes in) and at least has the sense to feel bad. I don't remember Jo feeling bad at all, just handing Blair a broken watch.

Ah, thank you, no wonder Blair comes off as sympathetic, lol.


Blair does her typical thing and throws money at the problem. Jo's callousness feels... out of character for her.

And Blair throwing money at a problem is fixing the problem. She could have never offered to pay for anything.

I'd have to see the episode again to refresh myself. But I do remember just really disliking Jo's behavior there (and in the scoreboard show).

I don't understand why Blair doesn't get criticized for her actions in The Way We Were. Blair's my favorite of the core four but even she can act like an ass in an episode.




I can't agree to that.

So it's a coincidence that Dorothy is strong and intimidating like Jo and that Blanche is a vain man hungry woman like Blair? It's also a coincidence both shows feature female friends living together?


I think it's deserved every award it's gotten. Actually I'm currently re-watching the series on Saturday nights to bring back those '80s childhood Saturday nights.

I tried rewatching the show and it's just so over the top that I can't even get into it anymore. It was fun when I was a kid watching old ladies act like trashy sluts but now it's just eh. I see why kids in school like it so much. You see these old ladies act like they're in their 20's. They don't have any morals and that's the funny part of it.

I don't understand why Blair doesn't get criticized for her actions in The Way We Were. Blair's my favorite of the core four but even she can act like an ass in an episode.

Oh she definitely can--Cliff dumping her, for instance! lol


So it's a coincidence that Dorothy is strong and intimidating like Jo and that Blanche is a vain man hungry woman like Blair? It's also a coincidence both shows feature female friends living together?

It very well could be. Those are only surface characterizations. There are so many layers and nuances that are different (just one example, Blanche is from the deep south, something which Blair has no experience with).

Blair really isn't man-hungry. She's too "untouchable". She becomes so conservative it's hard to picture her doing much with a guy, lol.

I like the differences in girls being forced to live together eventually becoming friends, and strangers sharing a house by choice becoming friends.


I tried rewatching the show and it's just so over the top that I can't even get into it anymore. It was fun when I was a kid watching old ladies act like trashy sluts but now it's just eh. I see why kids in school like it so much. You see these old ladies act like they're in their 20's. They don't have any morals and that's the funny part of it.

There are lots of morals throughout. They're such a wonderful four-legged table of fights and friendships.

Blair calls it a "mistake" (at about 20 minutes in) and at least has the sense to feel bad. I don't remember Jo feeling bad at all, just handing Blair a broken watch.

Blair does her typical thing and throws money at the problem. Jo's callousness feels... out of character for her.

But Blair never apologized. Her whole point in the court case was that Jo didn't show her respect. How is it any more respectful to throw a blank check at someone (WHO SAYS REPEATEDLY NO) without apologizing for what they did? Blair overreacted in The Rich Aren't That Different. Jo didn't act anyway different than how Blair did towards her engine.


I enjoy The Facts of Life more than The Golden Girls, but The Golden Girls is more than just old ladies acting trashy. In fact, Rose and Dorothy are rarely trashy, and Dorothy's role as the high-minded, well-educated, ethical one is a character rarely seen in 1980s sitcoms.

IIRC, Rose had a running joke about men dying after having sex with her, right? There was more than one I remember that. Dorothy slept with almost every guy who was interested in her and I remember the episode where she slept with a teacher who had a wife. They were trashy at times.

Ah, thank you, no wonder Blair comes off as sympathetic, lol.

And Blair throwing money at a problem is fixing the problem. She could have never offered to pay for anything.

Blair was wrong for just throwing money at the problem, without considering Jo's feelings: she was rebuilding that engine, and it was a lot of work. But we come to expect Blair to throw money at her problems.

We don't expect Jo to act like a jerk over a broken watch. Jo is normally the type of person who feels contrite over mistakes she's made. Even to the point of beating herself up over it. Jo might spend weeks getting a second job to pay for something she's broken. For her to poo-poo the watch feels badly written. In my opinion, as always.

IIRC, Rose had a running joke about men dying after having sex with her, right? There was more than one I remember that. Dorothy slept with almost every guy who was interested in her and I remember the episode where she slept with a teacher who had a wife. They were trashy at times.

No, that was at the end of one episode where she did it as a joke on Dorothy and Blanche about sleeping with a man and he died, and then the same with the investigating sheriff. She was relieved after she slept with a man and he didn't die (which was her fear in the episode).

Dorothy slept with Glen believing he was available. She had no idea he was married until he told her. And after that she wrestled with the idea until she realized she couldn't do it.

FOL could obviously never do that because they only got to a sex episode one time. lol

Oh she definitely can--Cliff dumping her, for instance! lol


She dumped Cliff :p



It very well could be. Those are only surface characterizations. There are so many layers and nuances that are different (just one example, Blanche is from the deep south, something which Blair has no experience with).

Blair really isn't man-hungry. She's too "untouchable". She becomes so conservative it's hard to picture her doing much with a guy, lol.

I like the differences in girls being forced to live together eventually becoming friends, and strangers sharing a house by choice becoming friends.

Blair was too man hungry. After her breakup with Cliff, she began dating different guys almost every episode. They even have an episode in season 8 where she makes a resolution about no more dating on a school night. She had men chasing her and that was her thing.

It's still the same concept. I get it though. It's hard for a show's fan to accept that their show ripped off another show. Do you acknowledge that TGG even took the background tune in the episodes from Soap? I never knew that until I started watching Soap awhile ago. TGG has nothing original about it at all.

Blair was wrong for just throwing money at the problem, without considering Jo's feelings: she was rebuilding that engine, and it was a lot of work. But we come to expect Blair to throw money at her problems.

We don't expect Jo to act like a jerk over a broken watch. Jo is normally the type of person who feels contrite over mistakes she's made. Even to the point of beating herself up over it. Jo might spend weeks getting a second job to pay for something she's broken. For her to poo-poo the watch feels badly written. In my opinion, as always.

Yeah, shared opinion here.

No, that was at the end of one episode where she did it as a joke on Dorothy and Blanche about sleeping with a man and he died, and then the same with the investigating sheriff. She was relieved after she slept with a man and he didn't die (which was her fear in the episode).

Dorothy slept with Glen believing he was available. She had no idea he was married until he told her. And after that she wrestled with the idea until she realized she couldn't do it.

FOL could obviously never do that because they only got to a sex episode one time. lol

I remember an episode where Sophia walks into the kitchen and says there's a dead guy in Rose's bed. Her husband Charlie died that way and then there's this guy who dies after having sex with her. It does become a gag after one time.

Well, FOL didn't want young female viewers to treat their bodies as sex objects. FOL had morals and respect. TGG needed those gimmicks to keep people watching.

She dumped Cliff :p

Like I said, it's been a while! :lol:


Blair was too man hungry. After her breakup with Cliff, she began dating different guys almost every episode. They even have an episode in season 8 where she makes a resolution about no more dating on a school night. She had men chasing her and that was her thing.

It's still not the same as Blanche. Blair still has that ultra-conservativeness about her.


I get it though. It's hard for a show's fan to
accept that their show ripped off another show.

I'm a fan of both shows. It feels very attacking toward one show to claim something was "ripped off". But I get it, because you don't like GG and aren't taking the time to really examine it unbiased. If Susan Harris said she was inspired by FOL, then I would agree more with what you're saying. But if it didn't factor in, I'm not going to suggest it.


Do you acknowledge that TGG even took the background tune in the episodes from Soap? I never knew that until I started watching Soap awhile ago.

I would if I heard it and saw that it was so if that were the fact. Though these two shows are from the same production company, so that's interesting they have that in common. Whether it was new music or previously used music, it does just so well with the show. It's a character in itself!


TGG has nothing original about it at all.

But you're so against the show already you're not willing to believe it does. For one, it was the first time a television show was about older women who were vibrant, thriving citizens with active sexuality.

I remember an episode where Sophia walks into the kitchen and says there's a dead guy in Rose's bed. Her husband Charlie died that way and then there's this guy who dies after having sex with her. It does become a gag after one time.

No. That's the only episode where it's a joke about multiple men expiring on her.


Well, FOL didn't want young female viewers to treat their bodies as sex objects. FOL had morals and respect. TGG needed those gimmicks to keep people watching.

I don't think it did. These were women had lived through life. They were vibrant and had stories and experiences and it was a fun ride. :)

Reading between the lines, I don't think Christopher is a fan of TGG. Have to say, other than TGG being a show with women regulars like FOL, the shows are nothing alike otherwise you could say that every sitcom about a family is a rip off of the first sitcom that was ever about a family.

Have just watched the episode with the attic and Kevin. I assume all that junk in the attic was there before Mrs G moved in? ;)

How short was Kevins bathrobe!!!

No Mrs G. Feels different without her. I stil enjoyed it though. i enjoyed the two part spring break episode as well though it didn't come as a surprise as to who Blair would fall for.

Jo's hair this season often reminds me of Bart Simpson in a wig.
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Is it me or does Jo wear some strange 80s outfits? Boiler suit looking things and onsies before they became a thing.

Reading between the lines, I don't think Christopher is a fan of TGG. Have to say, other than TGG being a show with women regulars like FOL, the shows are nothing alike otherwise you could say that every sitcom about a family is a rip off of the first sitcom that was ever about a family.

Yeah. I prefer it when we all agree, but that doesn't always happen, lol. We just have to agree to disagree, which I do.

So it's a coincidence that Dorothy is strong and intimidating like Jo and that Blanche is a vain man hungry woman like Blair? It's also a coincidence both shows feature female friends living together?


I don't believe in coincidences, and I do believe the producers of The Golden Girls were influenced by both The Facts of Life and (later) Designing Women. The last three years of FOL were taped at Sunset Gower Studios, originally the same taping studio as The Golden Girls, both shows aired on NBC, and it's clear they even started using the same wardrobe and costume people. There definitely was bleed-over between the shows, especially as writers, directors, and producers did work on both shows. Asaad Kelada, for example, directed one episode of GG.

But to call it a rip-off feels false, to me, as there are many things that make the two series very different. The Golden Girls spent seven years on the same sets, whereas The Facts of Life changed things up every few years. The Golden Girls rarely added random characters only to write them out months later, whereas The Facts of Life became notorious for writing out characters with no on-air explanation of what happened to them.

And The Golden Girls was distinctive in how they handled characters like Dorothy: she was an upstanding, well-educated, highly ethical woman who wasn't afraid to speak her mind... clearly a model for Julia Sugarbaker, but only somewhat similar to Jo, in a very broad sense.

I agree with 80s concerning Blair/Blanche; yes, they could both be very vain, but Blanche was kinky, while Blair remained virginal. Blanche was southern while Blair was from Manhattan. Blanche was the youngest while Blair was the oldest. Blanche had on-going disputes with all the girls while Blair rarely tangled with anyone except Jo.

Influenced? For sure. But rip-off?

Reading between the lines, I don't think Christopher is a fan of TGG.

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Jo's hair this season often reminds me of Bart Simpson in a wig.

Yeah, Jo's hair takes some weird turns.


Is it me or does Jo wear some strange 80s outfits? Boiler suit looking things and onsies before they became a thing.

I don't know what a boiler suit is, but brace yourself: Jo's wardrobe journey is about to get even weirder. :lol:

I don't believe in coincidences, and I do believe the producers of The Golden Girls were influenced by both The Facts of Life and (later) Designing Women...it's clear they even started using the same wardrobe and costume people.

Actually Judy Evans, who was the costumer for TGG, never worked on FOL. But of course during "dated times" there are bound to be some visual similarities at times.

And coincidence of influence, the question still remains with me. FOL wasn't a huge hit and it takes so much time to create/write/produce various TV shows, so maybe sometimes those Hollywood people don't always see current shows if they're creating something out of their own mind. I've never seen any influence mentioned in books yet. I like to give the benefit of the doubt unless I see something in writing or in said in an interview.

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm objective enough to be open to the possibility, I just prefer undeniable proof, lol.

Actually Judy Evans, who was the costumer for TGG, never worked on FOL. But of course during "dated times" there are bound to be some visual similarities at times.

I stand corrected!

I stand corrected!

That's just a fact I knew off the top of my head from seeing her name so often and hearing the actresses talk about her. Her name didn't ring a bell for FOL, so just to be F.A.C.T., lol, I looked her up on IMDB, and it's not in her credits.

She dumped Cliff :p







It's still the same concept. I get it though. It's hard for a show's fan to accept that their show ripped off another show. Do you acknowledge that TGG even took the background tune in the episodes from Soap? I never knew that until I started watching Soap awhile ago. TGG has nothing original about it at all.

Can you rip off your own show? Susan Harris produced both the Golden Girls and Soap. Even it's spinoff Empty Nest used many actors from Soap.

I don't know what a boiler suit is, but brace yourself: Jo's wardrobe journey is about to get even weirder. :lol:

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This is a boiler suit. Not sure what they call them in Toronto.

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This is a boiler suit. Not sure what they call them in Toronto.

Thanks!

I also don't know what they call them in Toronto, but here we just call them coveralls.

I don't understand why Blair doesn't get criticized for her actions in The Way We Were. Blair's my favorite of the core four but even she can act like an ass in an episode.






So it's a coincidence that Dorothy is strong and intimidating like Jo and that Blanche is a vain man hungry woman like Blair? It's also a coincidence both shows feature female friends living together?




I tried rewatching the show and it's just so over the top that I can't even get into it anymore. It was fun when I was a kid watching old ladies act like trashy sluts but now it's just eh. I see why kids in school like it so much. You see these old ladies act like they're in their 20's. They don't have any morals and that's the funny part of it.



Hi Christopher!:wave:

I'm glad to read that BLAIR is still your favourite, and i agree that she could be an ass (as you so nicely point out) sometimes!

And yes, i agree with you that JO wasn't that bad in the episode 'The rich aren't different': i think it has more to do that she hurt BLAIR's feelings when she start acting so nonchalant and treating her as if she was nothing but a materialist, when we all know that there is so much more to BLAIR than that 'shallow facade' people always talk about!

BLAIR on the other hand believed in a strong friendship between JO and her, and that they were really close by then which is understandable that she felt betrayed and hurt... For her, JO was the one person (besides MRS G of course) whom she fully trusted to be honest with: she even says that all everyone ever saw on her was her shallowness and that no one took her seriously, but she expected JO to be truthful to her, because she was her friend and not just a stranger...

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Season 7 arrived through the post today. Popped it in and thought hey, PQ is decent. Got the same disk from the complete series set I bought and wow, the difference even on the printed side of the disk was noticeble. On my old disk it was slightly fuzzy. The new disk was sharp. Tried my old disk and noticed that I can skip through all the menus but couldn't on the new disk. And the PQ on my old set is worse so I must have a bootleg set. I can't believe it! The bootleg came in a very sturdy box. With a booklet. And on proper pressed looking disks or rather disks that are not blank and bought from a shop.

Season 7 arrived through the post today. Popped it in and thought hey, PQ is decent. Got the same disk from the complete series set I bought and wow, the difference even on the disk was noticeble. On my old disk it was slightly fuzzy. The new disk was sharp. Tried my old disk and noticed that I can skip through all the menus but couldn't on the new disk. And the PQ on my old set is worse so I must have a bootleg set. I can't believe it!

The PQ on the new set is much sharper.

Glad you got a good quality DVD for Season 7, and sorry you got a bootlegged Season 6.

I bought the complete series from ebay. i got bootlegged for all 9 seasons. I bought season 7 because I was curious as to whether I had a proper set. Amazing. I bought the complete set from Amazon and a day later saw it cheaper on ebay and new so got it from there saving myself about £30. Wish I hadn't bothered now. I have said before in posts that I think I would have liked the show more if the PQ was better.

Reading between the lines, I don't think Christopher is a fan of TGG.

No, I don't care for that show. The two main female cast shows I really enjoy are FOL and Desperate Housewives. There's others I watch like Hot in Cleveland and Mom, but they're not as good.


Is it me or does Jo wear some strange 80s outfits? Boiler suit looking things and onsies before they became a thing.

Season 6 was the start of changing all the girls appearance. The Eastland uniforms are rarely seen. Tootie goes from looking like a teenager to a 20 year old with an older hairstyle and clothing. The girls appearance change again in season 7. It's very 80's heavy. Season 8, their style returns to normal. I didn't see anything outrageous like the previous two seasons or that last season with Jo in stockings and a skirt while having red nail polish ohno:

The skirts and nail polish on Jo, coupled with the permed and primped hair, was just crazy.

The two main female cast shows I really enjoy are FOL and Desperate Housewives.

Desperate Housewives is good though I have never thought of it as a main female cast show, though the women are front and centre of the action and storylines.

Funny, Facts started with a regular male for season one only and then had a couple of regular males in its final few seasons (sort of).

TGG also started with a regular male but dropped after the pilot.

Desperate Housewives is good though I have never thought of it as a main female cast show, though the women are front and centre of the action and storylines.

I love Desperate Housewives. I consider it a female cast show because the core four (Marcia, Felicity, Eva, and Teri) were the untouchable stars. They could kill off the male stars, like they did with some, and it was fine. People watched for their core four just like fans watched FOL for their core four.

I'm glad to see another Facts fan on here that has seen DH :cheers: I think FOL fans would enjoy that show because it's funny and dramatic like FOL was seasons 2 - 5. I create playlists with my digital copies from the DVD sets and I always pair FOL and DH together. My favorite core four shows :D

I love Desperate Housewives. I consider it a female cast show because the core four (Marcia, Felicity, Eva, and Teri) were the untouchable stars. They could kill off the male stars, like they did with some, and it was fine. People watched for their core four just like fans watched FOL for their core four.

I'm glad to see another Facts fan on here that has seen DH :cheers: I think FOL fans would enjoy that show because it's funny and dramatic like FOL was seasons 2 - 5. I create playlists with my digital copies from the DVD sets and I always pair FOL and DH together. My favorite core four shows :D




You know Christopher, funny enough i have never even watched a single episode from DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, but i know that Eva Longoria and the one from Melrose Place (can't remember her name) were the main ones!

The reason i never got time to watch it, it's because the 2000 s were the decade where a was hardly ever at home! (i was constantly going out to night clubs and pubs, right after work until late at night)....

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You know Christopher, funny enough i have never even watched a single episode from DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, but i know that Eva Longoria and the one from Melrose Place (can't remember her name) were the main ones!

The reason i never got time to watch it, it's because the 2000 s were the decade where a was hardly ever at home! (i was constantly going out to night clubs and pubs, right after work until late at night)....


I went out to clubs as well, but rarely on a Sunday night when Desperate Housewives aired here in the U.S. The times I did go out, there was always a hook to get people to come like free pool or half off beer. I hate beer so I stayed home on Sunday nights getting ready for the work week :lol: If you have a Smart TV that has access to Prime, Disney+, or Hulu, look for DH. I don't think you'll be bored watching it :) The one from Melrose Place, Marcia Cross, is my favorite. She has the best stories IMO. And she's such a talented actress with the way she delivers her one liners. It's rare when a performer can pull that off.

DH is a great show and yes, they could kill anyone off other than the core 4 but unlike Facts it had loads of regulars and semi regulars. For anyone that has not seen it, it is worth watching.

I have one more episode left to watch of season 6. Quick question. The location establishing shot of the store has been used a few times now but never with any cast being present. Anyone know why they 'built' a fake store front on location for just a couple of establishing shots?

Also, the Bus Stop episode was only about 22 minutes. Was it cut?

I went out to clubs as well, but rarely on a Sunday night when Desperate Housewives aired here in the U.S. The times I did go out, there was always a hook to get people to come like free pool or half off beer. I hate beer so I stayed home on Sunday nights getting ready for the work week :lol: If you have a Smart TV that has access to Prime, Disney+, or Hulu, look for DH. I don't think you'll be bored watching it :) The one from Melrose Place, Marcia Cross, is my favorite. She has the best stories IMO. And she's such a talented actress with the way she delivers her one liners. It's rare when a performer can pull that off.



I hate beer as well Christopher: i normally drink Cocktails of any sort when i go out, and the occasional Tequila shots!

And now you really got me hooked with DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, so i might give it a shot and watch it on Netflix or YouTube (if they have it). I haven't got Prime, Disney or Hulu i'm afraid....

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Made a start on season 7. The difference in PQ is amazing now that I have watched a whole episode that was 'real.' Of course it shows its age but so much better than the bootleg dvd I ended up with.

An enjoyable opener anyway. Looking forward to season 7 and seeing how new characters and a new shop affect the show and the core characters. Blairs big big hair will take some getting used to though.

Haha i don’t like Blair’s hair in s7, or Jo’s in 6-8

Made a start on season 7. The difference in PQ is amazing now that I have watched a whole episode that was 'real.' Of course it shows its age but so much better than the bootleg dvd I ended up with.

An enjoyable opener anyway. Looking forward to season 7 and seeing how new characters and a new shop affect the show and the core characters. Blairs big big hair will take some getting used to though.

Season 7 IMO is a good season for seeing the core four's friendship. Blair's big hair doesn't last long. I know by the Christmas episode it's back to how it was the previous season.

Haha i don’t like Blair’s hair in s7, or Jo’s in 6-8

The first block of episodes in season 7 (like 6 or 8), Blair's hair is bad. It does return to normal though. I like Jo's hair in season 8. Jo went through some changes seasons 6 and 7. I feel by season 8 she's back to how the Jo from seasons 2 - 5 would dress in her 20's.

I have one more episode left to watch of season 6. Quick question. The location establishing shot of the store has been used a few times now but never with any cast being present. Anyone know why they 'built' a fake store front on location for just a couple of establishing shots?

Also, the Bus Stop episode was only about 22 minutes. Was it cut?

Anyone to either question?

Has anyone wondered, if they kept the lost girls, how would the show have progressed? Would there have been an Ednas Edibles or Over Our Heads?

Anyone to either question?

Has anyone wondered, if they kept the lost girls, how would the show have progressed? Would there have been an Ednas Edibles or Over Our Heads?



Definitely! I can easily see the Lost girls helping MRS G out at 'Edna's Edibles'!

For instance: MOLLY would be managing the business and do all the banking/paper work with JO.

CINDY would be baking in the kitchen and preparing meals with TOOTIE and NAT.

SUE ANN would be hanging around BLAIR and helping her set the table nicely, serving as a waitress and winning all the customers appreciation and getting tips with her warm smile and bubbly personality!

And finally,

NANCY would serve as a receptionist: answering all the phone calls accurately (including ROGERS)!

How does that sound?

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Quick question. The location establishing shot of the store has been used a few times now but never with any cast being present. Anyone know why they 'built' a fake store front on location for just a couple of establishing shots?

I doubt anything new was actually constructed, other than the EE sign. I assumed they just screwed the Edibles sign onto one of the existing buildings at Universal Studios, much as dozens of other TV and film productions used Courthouse Square (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courthouse_Square) on the Universal backlot for exterior shots. The EE exterior looks very New England-y, similar to many of the buildings on Colonial Street (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Street) (notice the fake ivy on the EE porch, similar to some of the ivy on the Colonial Street buildings).


Also, the Bus Stop episode was only about 22 minutes. Was it cut?

Likely.


Has anyone wondered, if they kept the lost girls, how would the show have progressed? Would there have been an Ednas Edibles or Over Our Heads?

Yes, I have definitely wondered this.... many times. It's hard to say, as it's all just conjecture, but I like to think they would maybe have done like Head of the Class did, and after four years, Jo, Blair, Nancy, and Sue Ann would have graduated, leaving just Molly, Cindy, Natalie, and Tootie under Mrs. Garrett's care. Of course, guest appearances by the older girls would have still happened. And in the final season (#7), Edna would have started her own shop, which all the Drummonds actually visited. Tootie graduating would have ended the show.

I doubt anything new was actually constructed, other than the EE sign. I assumed they just screwed the Edibles sign onto one of the existing buildings at Universal Studios, much as dozens of other TV and film productions used Courthouse Square (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courthouse_Square) on the Universal backlot for exterior shots. The EE exterior looks very New England-y, similar to many of the buildings on Colonial Street (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Street) (notice the fake ivy on the EE porch, similar to some of the ivy on the Colonial Street buildings).



Likely.
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Yes, I have definitely wondered this.... many times. It's hard to say, as it's all just conjecture, but I like to think they would maybe have done like Head of the Class did, and after four years, Jo, Blair, Nancy, and Sue Ann would have graduated, leaving just Molly, Cindy, Natalie, and Tootie under Mrs. Garrett's care. Of course, guest appearances by the older girls would have still happened. And in the final season (#7), Edna would have started her own shop, which all the Drummonds actually visited. Tootie graduating would have ended the show.



I don't like your idea at all i have to say: leaving just MOLLY, CINDY, TOOTIE and NAT with MRS G and having JO and BLAIR removed would be like removing FOL lol!
If such thing had ever happened, i'm pretty sure most viewers would have completely lost interest, and the show wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.

I know for a fact, that without BLAIR, FOL would be no worth watching (in my opinion).

Of course they'd still be MRS G around worth watching, but i think she had the best chemistry with both BLAIR and JO....

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I don't like your idea at all i have to say: leaving just MOLLY, CINDY, TOOTIE and NAT with MRS G and having JO and BLAIR removed would be like removing FOL lol!

Oh, don't worry: they'd get their own spin-off.

Oh, don't worry: they'd get their own spin-off.


I wouldn't want a spin-off with only BLAIR and JO lol!

FOL originally started with MRS G and BLAIR as the main one, and having them split would be kind of like having bread without jam, or breakfast without coffee: in my eyes, they were what made FOL so entertaining, having the greatest chemistry and dynamic!

And it all began with the Pilot the 'girl's school' (even though NANCY was supposed to be the main one).

I know that i am definitely in the minority here, but when i think of FOL: BLAIR and MRS G are the ones that pop instantly in my mind.... (not JO like for most people).

Always in the minority.....

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Anyone to either question?

Has anyone wondered, if they kept the lost girls, how would the show have progressed? Would there have been an Ednas Edibles or Over Our Heads?

If you click the link in my signature, I took the entire FOL episode guide and altered it so all 8 girls starred in the series for all 9 seasons, including EE and OOH. That was a lot of fun to do, and I still tweak a change or two to it once in a blue moon.

If you click the link in my signature, I took the entire FOL episode guide and altered it so all 8 girls starred in the series for all 9 seasons, including EE and OOH. That was a lot of fun to do, and I still tweak a change or two to it once in a blue moon.


That was really fantastic how you wrote the whole 9 seasons on FOL, 80s!:wave:

i loved, how much you include the LOST GIRLS (without leaving the 'Core of 4' out): i could see the whole scene playing in my mind!

I also like the ending: NANCY gets married first (instead of JO) and CINDY moves to Africa with her fiancee/husband to stay with MRS G and BRUCE. (none of the main ones ever did lol!).

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That was really fantastic how you wrote the whole 9 seasons on FOL, 80s!:wave:

i loved, how much you include the LOST GIRLS (without leaving the 'Core of 4' out): i could see the whole scene playing in my mind!

I also like the ending: NANCY gets married first (instead of JO) and CINDY moves to Africa with her fiancee/husband to stay with MRS G and BRUCE. (none of the main ones ever did lol!).

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Thanks valentina, glad you enjoyed! :wave:

One of my discs has a flaw. Season 4, Disc One. Every episode besides “The Source” is ok, but I can’t get through the episode with out constantly wiping down the scratch and putting the disc back in the player. I’m not even sure how it got scratched in the first place...nothing works, but I’d gladly take any tips.

Also, just curious, does anyone have an extra disc they’d be willing to part with? I’d comp you.

One of my discs has a flaw. Season 4, Disc One. Every episode besides “The Source” is ok, but I can’t get through the episode with out constantly wiping down the scratch and putting the disc back in the player. I’m not even sure how it got scratched in the first place...nothing works, but I’d gladly take any tips.

Also, just curious, does anyone have an extra disc they’d be willing to part with? I’d comp you.

Have you tried one of these (https://www.amazon.com/SkipDr-Manual-Disc-Repair-System/dp/B0015ACUKC/), SM? I have had luck removing scratches with them.

Have you tried one of these (https://www.amazon.com/SkipDr-Manual-Disc-Repair-System), SM? I have had luck removing scratches with them.

The link didn’t work...what’s the name of the product?

The link didn’t work...what’s the name of the product?
Sorry, SM. Skip Doctor CD/DVD repair. It's a device which removes a thin layer of the plastic on the DVD, repairing scratches in the process. I've had luck with them, but it doesn't always work.

Sorry, SM. Skip Doctor CD/DVD repair. It's a device which removes a thin layer of the plastic on the DVD, repairing scratches in the process. I've had luck with them, but it doesn't always work.

Ah, thanks!

Have you tried one of these (https://www.amazon.com/SkipDr-Manual-Disc-Repair-System/dp/B0015ACUKC/), SM? I have had luck removing scratches with them.


Wow! I didn't even know such thing existed lol!

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Wow! I didn't even know such thing existed lol!

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Oh yeah. They have saved several of my CDs and DVDs.

I'm about a third of the way through season 7. Not keen on the shop. It is too bright and everyone just seems to hang about not doing much. I much preferred Ednas Edibles. It felt cosy.

Why is Andy spending so much time with these girls rather than kids his own age? Same goes for Clooney. He isn't dating the girls so why does he spend so much time at their shop and in their home?

I did enjoy the episode with Ednas old friend and the news of the affair.

I'm about a third of the way through season 7. Not keen on the shop. It is too bright and everyone just seems to hang about not doing much. I much preferred Ednas Edibles. It felt cosy.

Why is Andy spending so much time with these girls rather than kids his own age? Same goes for Clooney. He isn't dating the girls so why does he spend so much time at their shop and in their home?

I did enjoy the episode with Ednas old friend and the news of the affair.



I second you on that one, Bachu: 'Edna's Edibles' was definitely cosier, and warmer!

On ANDY and GEORGE: i also wondered what their purpose was on FOL lol! They weren't even needed, and the show could have go on without them.

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Why is Andy spending so much time with these girls rather than kids his own age? Same goes for Clooney. He isn't dating the girls so why does he spend so much time at their shop and in their home?

Andy is still working for the girls part time. As for George, he became a friend to the girls. I don't see anything wrong with that. I actually like that they show men and women can be friends without having to be sexual. I always preferred George over Kevin so I was glad for the change in season 7.

Andy is still working for the girls part time. As for George, he became a friend to the girls. I don't see anything wrong with that. I actually like that they show men and women can be friends without having to be sexual. I always preferred George over Kevin so I was glad for the change in season 7.

Definitely seconded on the Kevin/George replacement being a good thing. At one point, Kevin was sniffing the girls' underwear!

I'm about a third of the way through season 7. Not keen on the shop. It is too bright and everyone just seems to hang about not doing much. I much preferred Ednas Edibles. It felt cosy.

Yes, Edna's Edibles felt cosy and warm. OOH was sterile, florescent lighting and neon lights. Definitely a sign that the 1980s, and consumerism, were in full force.


Why is Andy spending so much time with these girls rather than kids his own age?

I wish they had given Andy one friend his age. Didn't happen until the final season.

Andy is still working for the girls part time. As for George, he became a friend to the girls. I don't see anything wrong with that. I actually like that they show men and women can be friends without having to be sexual. I always preferred George over Kevin so I was glad for the change in season 7.

Those 4 women can't run that shop by themselves? :D

No problem with George being there; it just seems a bit random that he is there. I guess he just liked them and stuck around after originally trying to fix the shop up for them.

Although I have not reached it, i suppose the same would apply to the woman who replaced Edna. The girls were all adults by then and wouldn't have needed anyone to replace Edna surely? With that said, this is the first time I have watched the show so I am not sure how it all comes about. Perhaps Edna should have had an end of season accident and come back with a facelift. ;)

Perhaps Edna should have had an end of season accident and come back with a facelift. ;)

:lol: You reminded me of All My Children when Janet From Another Planet came out of prison with a new face because a different actress was playing her. They wrote it in that she had plastic surgery so she could go torment her twin sister's family again. I miss that show.

Those 4 women can't run that shop by themselves? :D

Well Andy had already started working for the girls in season 6 when Edna's Edibles was there. Remember Mrs. Garrett stopped caring about her shop and dumped it on the girls and a kid so she could go off doing her own thing. Mrs. Garrett started that work ethic for how the girls treat the store from her actions in season 6.

No problem with George being there; it just seems a bit random that he is there. I guess he just liked them and stuck around after originally trying to fix the shop up for them.

The girls liked him because he was the fun brother type that could go do things with. It's not like George was far away from them. His dad's shop was across the street. His dad is also friends with Edna. I think they did a good job establishing why he's always around or on occasion.

Although I have not reached it, i suppose the same would apply to the woman who replaced Edna. The girls were all adults by then and wouldn't have needed anyone to replace Edna surely? With that said, this is the first time I have watched the show so I am not sure how it all comes about.

I like how Beverly Ann is introduced. Her character fit perfectly with the premise of the show in season 8. Part of the facts of life is going through divorce as well. I like season 8 Beverly Ann a lot. I don't care for her in season 9 because the girls treat her like a maid having her do all their chores. She was dropped from the friends zone that season and it's sad because the girls cared so much about Beverly Ann in season 8.

Although I have not reached it, i suppose the same would apply to the woman who replaced Edna.

I never liked the replacement as much as the OG: the Original Garrett.

The girls were all adults by then and wouldn't have needed anyone to replace Edna surely?

They felt too old for supervision, for sure.

With that said, this is the first time I have watched the show so I am not sure how it all comes about. Perhaps Edna should have had an end of season accident and come back with a facelift. ;)

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Oh yeah. They have saved several of my CDs and DVDs.

I might get this device at some point, I just didn’t want to pop for the sake I f one disc. BUT, I did use furniture polish, which I had not tried before, and it did make an improvement, if not a complete fix.

I might get this device at some point, I just didn’t want to pop for the sake I f one disc. BUT, I did use furniture polish, which I had not tried before, and it did make an improvement, if not a complete fix.

I had no idea furniture polish would work. Glad it helped!

Have just watched the episode where Tootie learns to drive and suddenly Natalie has a job working with dead people just so they can add a hearse to the plot. Isn't being a student and working at Over Our Heads enough?

An ejoyable episode and I did find the following gag funny:
Natalie - I dropped an urn. Nobody was in it.

Isn't being a student and working at Over Our Heads enough?

Natalie didn't go to college after her graduation. I think it makes sense she needs other jobs to support herself. Blair is rich, Jo has financial aid and student loans from her college, and Tootie is most likely rent free or getting support from her parents until her graduation at Eastland. Natalie is only getting 20% of the profits from Over Our Heads since they all get an equal share. I can't imagine that would be enough to live on. I like that Natalie takes these odd jobs. Realistically many people work more than one job to support themselves. I've had weird jobs like her as well. One of them was working at a potato chip factory tasting chips in their QA department. Really nasty if you're not a potato fan puke: but like Natalie, you do what you do to support yourself.

Many thanks. Not knowing the show like the back of my hand I do lose track. It made for some good gags. Hopefully Natalie will have more jobs.

I think Natalie and Tootie are my fav characters. I like Jo and Blair but they do use them too much with the same old friction. I do like Blair more than Jo.

I found an episode this season funny in which it was clear Blair isn't that religious compared to the actress who plays her.

I also like the mini scenes they film for the closing credits.

Many thanks. Not knowing the show like the back of my hand I do lose track. It made for some good gags. Hopefully Natalie will have more jobs.

I think Natalie and Tootie are my fav characters. I like Jo and Blair but they do use them too much with the same old friction. I do like Blair more than Jo.

I found an episode this season funny in which it was clear Blair isn't that religious compared to the actress who plays her.

I also like the mini scenes they film for the closing credits.



Yep: TOOTIE and NAT are definitely a cool team! But i'd say, overall the 'Core of 4' with MRS G is a great ensemble!!!!

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I impulse bought the complete series again but this time 'new' from Amazon rather than 'new' from ebay. For the most part, the bootleg set just looks like the packaging etc was done at another printers. It really is of a high standard. It is just a shame that the episodes are not.

Popped a couple of disks in and the picture quality is like night and day. Strangely, the bootleg set was sealed in plastic and had a glossey sticker on saying it contains all episodes and the 2 movies. The Amazon set was also sealed but had no sticker.

Part of me wonders if someone swapped all the correct disks from my original set for bootleg copies and then sold it as real??? I'll never know. Perhaps Shout produced some sets which were just rubbish picture quality wise for some reason.

I impulse bought the complete series again but this time 'new' from Amazon rather than 'new' from ebay. For the most part, the bootleg set just looks like the packaging etc was done at another printers. It really is of a high standard. It is just a shame that the episodes are not.

Popped a couple of disks in and the picture quality is like night and day. Strangely, the bootleg set was sealed in plastic and had a glossey sticker on saying it contains all episodes and the 2 movies. The Amazon set was also sealed but had no sticker.

Part of me wonders if someone swapped all the correct disks from my original set for bootleg copies and then sold it as real??? I'll never know. Perhaps Shout produced some sets which were just rubbish picture quality wise for some reason.



Wait a minute: are you saying the DVD box set on FOL you just bought from Amazon was just as crap/bad quality as the one from Ebay???? (holy crap!)

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Wait a minute: are you saying the DVD box set on FOL you just bought from Amazon was just as crap/bad quality as the one from Ebay???? (holy crap!)

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I think he is saying the opposite: the difference in picture quality between his bootleg set and the real set is like night and day. The boxes look similar, though.

I think he is saying the opposite: the difference in picture quality between his bootleg set and the real set is like night and day. The boxes look similar, though.



Does that mean we should stop buying from Ebay, then? (i bought all the FOL later seasons from Ebay, and the quality was good lol)

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Does that mean we should stop buying from Ebay, then? (i bought all the FOL later seasons from Ebay, and the quality was good lol)

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I've never had a problem with Ebay, and only one issue with Amazon.

I think he is saying the opposite: the difference in picture quality between his bootleg set and the real set is like night and day. The boxes look similar, though.

Yes, that is what I am saying. I'll never know the truth.

Does that mean we should stop buying from Ebay, then? (i bought all the FOL later seasons from Ebay, and the quality was good lol)

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No. I have bought stuff from ebay before with no issues. The advantage with Amazon is I think they are easier to deal with if there are issues. I cannot get ebay to work on my PC. The pages freeze and I have to restart my browser. A family member made the order for me but won't give me the sellers details as they fear they will get bad feedback if I complain depsite me telling them you cannot get bad feedback as a buyer.

I have now watched the season 8 opener. It must have been jarring to see Mrs G gone from the credits and some other woman appear. At first I was not keen on Bev at all but by the end I had warmed to her. It felt strange that Mrs Gs last episode was essentially a flashback episode.

Yes, that is what I am saying. I'll never know the truth.



No. I have bought stuff from ebay before with no issues. The advantage with Amazon is I think they are easier to deal with if there are issues. I cannot get ebay to work on my PC. The pages freeze and I have to restart my browser. A family member made the order for me but won't give me the sellers details as they fear they will get bad feedback if I complain depsite me telling them you cannot get bad feedback as a buyer.

I have now watched the season 8 opener. It must have been jarring to see Mrs G gone from the credits and some other woman appear. At first I was not keen on Bev at all but by the end I had warmed to her. It felt strange that Mrs Gs last episode was essentially a flashback episode.

I loved that final Mrs. G two-parter. Only thing I didn't like is the Winnebago cliffhanger. I have no idea why that was even in there.

I loved that final Mrs. G two-parter. Only thing I didn't like is the Winnebago cliffhanger. I have no idea why that was even in there.

I, on the otherhand, loved that scene and the moving Winnebago set. :D

Yes, that is what I am saying. I'll never know the truth.



No. I have bought stuff from ebay before with no issues. The advantage with Amazon is I think they are easier to deal with if there are issues. I cannot get ebay to work on my PC. The pages freeze and I have to restart my browser. A family member made the order for me but won't give me the sellers details as they fear they will get bad feedback if I complain depsite me telling them you cannot get bad feedback as a buyer.

I have now watched the season 8 opener. It must have been jarring to see Mrs G gone from the credits and some other woman appear. At first I was not keen on Bev at all but by the end I had warmed to her. It felt strange that Mrs Gs last episode was essentially a flashback episode.




What do you mean by Flashback episode, Bachu? They didn't show show any flashback memories at all lol (unless you're referring what MRS G said to BLAIR about 'not judging a book by its cover'?)

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What do you mean by Flashback episode, Bachu? They didn't show show any flashback memories at all lol (unless you're referring what MRS G said to BLAIR about 'not judging a book by its cover'?)

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This really.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WholeEpisodeFlashback

From the moment the episode started, Mrs G had already left the series in the shows timeline and what we saw were flashbacks to how she came to leave.

This really.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WholeEpisodeFlashback

From the moment the episode started, Mrs G had already left the series in the shows timeline and what we saw were flashbacks to how she came to leave.



Are you saying MRS G/CHARLOTTE wasn't on the episode at all???? (now i'm really confused lol!)

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I have now watched the season 8 opener. It must have been jarring to see Mrs G gone from the credits and some other woman appear. At first I was not keen on Bev at all but by the end I had warmed to her. It felt strange that Mrs Gs last episode was essentially a flashback episode.

Even though Out of Peekskill is the first one NBC aired of season 8, it's not the first one produced. The girls and Cloris filmed the TV movie Down Under first. I'm sure the writers had some idea how Cloris would be written into the show, but they started her off with the core four in Australia. Weird to have your first working experience with a new character be in an established format instead of their introduction episode.

I hope you end up enjoying season 8. It's my second favorite season. I love how strong the friendships are that year. I think the writing is just as great as any earlier season :)



Are you saying MRS G/CHARLOTTE wasn't on the episode at all???? (now i'm really confused lol!)

What Bachu is saying is that Out of Peekskill starts off with Natalie telling the story of how Mrs. Garrett left Peeksill and them. It is a flashback episode, but not your normal run of the mill flashback episode that The Golden Girls does every few episodes so there's nothing original about the show. Out of Peekskill is Natalie telling a story of a recent event that we, the viewers, have not seen yet. However, it does have a few flashback scenes within the flashback. Remember the girls thinking back to times when Mrs. Garrett helped them? Technically, Out of Peekskill's plot is an entire flashback of how Mrs. Garrett got married and left to Africa with Bruce.

t is a flashback episode, but not your normal run of the mill flashback episode that The Golden Girls does every few episodes so there's nothing original about the show.

While not every few episodes, they do have several. I think they're cozy episodes. They feel like cuddling up and listening to your grandmother and great aunts reminisce about family stories. :) And it's nice to have the new material in the interstitials between vignettes or scenes stringing them together.

FOL should have done at least one clip episode utilizing a yearbook as the flashback device. They had the perfect opportunity! lol

What Bachu is saying is that Out of Peekskill is Natalie telling a story of a recent event that we, the viewers, have not seen yet.

You got it.

While not every few episodes, they do have several. I think they're cozy episodes. They feel like cuddling up and listening to your grandmother and great aunts reminisce about family stories. :)

Agreed. I like those flashback episodes TGG did. I love the one where it is cold and they all share Sophias bed.

From memory, Christopher is not a TGG fan but, he does enjoy Dark Shadows so I won't judge him too harshly. :D

I view flashback episodes as a message that the show has run its course and they can't think of any new material for episodes. The Golden Girls had like 2 to 4 flashback episodes per season. That's a sign the show should have ended so much sooner since all they could do is show viewers clips from previous episodes ever year. If I want to see a clip from a previous episode, I would just go back and watch that particular episode. Chances are it would probably be an episode I would want to rewatch anyways. Susan Harris must have seen The Facts of Life episode The Way We Were and decided to do that all the time on The Golden Girls since there's already so much of FOL on there.

I don't view sitcom clip show episodes as running out of ideas at all. That's quite a negative view, lol. It's a different kind of episode a show gets to do, and it feels so natural since among our own families and friends we "flash back" on past events and stories as well. Sometimes such as with The Dick Van Dyke Show or Mama's Family or GG you get the opportunity to see the characters at different ages. That's often fun.

I think GG did several because they had the advantage of a show focused on four older women, and older people are full of stories and love to share their life experiences (that's why Susan Harris was so excited about creating the show when NBC asked her to pen it).

Even though Out of Peekskill is the first one NBC aired of season 8, it's not the first one produced. The girls and Cloris filmed the TV movie Down Under first. I'm sure the writers had some idea how Cloris would be written into the show, but they started her off with the core four in Australia. Weird to have your first working experience with a new character be in an established format instead of their introduction episode.

I hope you end up enjoying season 8. It's my second favorite season. I love how strong the friendships are that year. I think the writing is just as great as any earlier season :)





What Bachu is saying is that Out of Peekskill starts off with Natalie telling the story of how Mrs. Garrett left Peeksill and them. It is a flashback episode, but not your normal run of the mill flashback episode that The Golden Girls does every few episodes so there's nothing original about the show. Out of Peekskill is Natalie telling a story of a recent event that we, the viewers, have not seen yet. However, it does have a few flashback scenes within the flashback. Remember the girls thinking back to times when Mrs. Garrett helped them? Technically, Out of Peekskill's plot is an entire flashback of how Mrs. Garrett got married and left to Africa with Bruce.



I get it now Christopher, and nice to have you back with us, sharing your point of view!:wave:

It is true: the girls all remembered a time when MRS G gave them a piece of advice indeed!
And like you, i truly enjoyed the girls's friendship during the whole season 8, and how kind and helpful they were, towards BEVERLY ANN and ANDY! (unlike poor PIPPA, who a year later got bad treatment from them and hardly any advise lol!)

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That's quite a negative view, lol.

No it's not. There were so many times The Golden Girls had an episode begin with a good premise and then get shot down where all we saw next were clips of previous episodes. It gets tiring. I was really looking forward to seeing how Never Yell Fire At A Crowded Retirement Home would turn out because it was a Sophia episode and she was my favorite from the show. Instead of having a well established plot with a beginning, middle, and end, we got bombarded with tons of flashbacks of episodes we've already seen. I hate that. Like I said, if I wanted to see something from a previous episode, I would just watch that episode. No need to have entire episodes replay short clips from the previous years.

Clip shows are a way of shows saving money. I think TGG did have a few too many considering it ran for 7 seasons. I did like the flashback episodes were they sat about and remembered times from their past before the show began so everything was filmed new for the episode. Also, years ago, when a number shows were not so readily available, clip shows allowed viewers to see highlights from episodes they may not have seen before.

I have just watched the episode Ready or Not where Tootie and the love of her life, who we have never seen before, almost make love. Loved the timing of 'The Lady is Tramp'; the screach of tyres as her Rudy left and Bev telling Tootie that she was now a woman.

Clip shows are a way of shows saving money. I think TGG did have a few too many considering it ran for 7 seasons. I did like the flashback episodes were they sat about and remembered times from their past before the show began so everything was filmed new for the episode. Also, years ago, when a number shows were not so readily available, clip shows allowed viewers to see highlights from episodes they may not have seen before.

I have just watched the episode Ready or Not where Tootie and the love of her life, who we have never seen before, almost make love. Loved the timing of 'The Lady is Tramp'; the screach of tyres as her Rudy left and Bev telling Tootie that she was now a woman.



I am not too fond of the episode 'Ready or not' i have to say: for a starter, that guy and TOOTIE had absolutely NO chemistry at all, and i kept wishing all the time for JEFFREY to turn up!
And secondly, TOOTIE kind of annoyed me on that episode too...

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No it's not.

That's the impression I got from your wording. It sounded like you were saying that about sitcoms in general, as if you don't enjoy clip shows of any series at all (and you may very well not). And I don't know that it's fair to say any series runs out of ideas since there are a number of in-house writers and freelance writers contributing different scripts for each season (now I don't know how this applies to The Simpsons, a show I don't watch, which is now going on several decades of episodes! :lol: )


No need to have entire episodes replay short clips from the previous years.

I always enjoy the stroll down memory lane, but I like clip shows in sitcoms. :)

Have just seen the episode where they make another room for Natalie and Tootie. If only they did this episode last season; George could have done the construction. ;)

About the only thing I like about a clip show is that it can reduce a 25 minute episode to about 5 minutes as I skip past the actual clips. ;)

About the only thing I like about a clip show is that it can reduce a 25 minute episode to about 5 minutes as I skip past the actual clips. ;)

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So we're getting a varied spectrum of views on clip shows, lol. I still watch the whole episode because for me it's like going through a family album. :)

I view flashback episodes as a message that the show has run its course and they can't think of any new material for episodes. The Golden Girls had like 2 to 4 flashback episodes per season. That's a sign the show should have ended so much sooner since all they could do is show viewers clips from previous episodes ever year. If I want to see a clip from a previous episode, I would just go back and watch that particular episode. Chances are it would probably be an episode I would want to rewatch anyways. Susan Harris must have seen The Facts of Life episode The Way We Were and decided to do that all the time on The Golden Girls since there's already so much of FOL on there.

I think popular shows sometimes did that to give viewers highlights of eps they may have missed. Like Friends was still a hit and they had about 8 fb eps.

I think popular shows sometimes did that to give viewers highlights of eps they may have missed. Like Friends was still a hit and they had about 8 fb eps.

With the Friends episodes, though, the "flashbacks" were usually new content: showing how the gang met, or what they were doing during high school/college. The GG episodes were basically reruns.

Yeah, I'm going to clarify which flashback episodes I don't care for. The episodes where all they do is show clips of previous episodes viewers have already seen. I gave an example of one of The Golden Girls episode in a previous post. They had so many episodes where it starts out like a normal episode but quickly switches to showing viewers flashbacks of episodes we've already seen. I find that a waste of time. It sounds like Bachu does too since they fast forwarded the clips to see the actual episode :)

Now flashback episodes with new material are somewhat ok. It's risky doing those type of episodes if they're creating a scene within the show's timeline from a previous season. For example Friends wedding vow episode from season 7. They added more story to how Chandler and Monica eventually hooked up in season 4. Remember how Monica says in the episode to Chandler, "we aren't that close anyways" if they lose their friendship by sleeping together? We all know that's a lie because these two had many, many moments over the years where they are close. Sometimes when the writers do a flashback with a new scene from a previous season, they forget what all was before that because all they're thinking about is the story they want to tell now. I prefer there were no flashback episodes and just keep the show going with stories of the present.

I have just watched the episode Ready or Not where Tootie and the love of her life, who we have never seen before, almost make love. Loved the timing of 'The Lady is Tramp'; the screach of tyres as her Rudy left and Bev telling Tootie that she was now a woman.

Have just seen the episode where they make another room for Natalie and Tootie. If only they did this episode last season; George could have done the construction. ;)


These two have funny Beverly Ann moments. At the end of Ready or Not, I love how Beverly Ann uses her husband cheating on her as an example that if it's meant to be, he'll be back. The girls all look at her and Tootie says, "but he didn't come back." Beverly Ann has this funny expression on her face like "well **** you're right" and then adds quickly, "ok we can still learn from this story. Sometimes they don't come back" :lol: Beverly Ann was perfect comic relief in season 8.

Another Room is funny when Jo keeps trying to sleep but everyone keeps bothering her. You have Beverly Ann stripping her bed while she's still laying down and the girls talking loud. I love the scene where Tootie talks to Jo about writing a letter to whoever she's mad at but don't send it. Jo replies, "well that'll teach em" :lol: Tootie then goes on this bizarre way of sending the angry letter to yourself so you have the satisfaction of knowing how the other person would have felt if you had the nerve to send it to them :crazy: There's so many great moments in season 8.

Yeah, I'm going to clarify which flashback episodes I don't care for. The episodes where all they do is show clips of previous episodes viewers have already seen. I gave an example of one of The Golden Girls episode in a previous post. They had so many episodes where it starts out like a normal episode but quickly switches to showing viewers flashbacks of episodes we've already seen. I find that a waste of time. It sounds like Bachu does too since they fast forwarded the clips to see the actual episode :)

I'm the same way: I want a new episode, not a rerun packaged as a new episode, with two minutes of new material, and then they say, "Remember when we entered that lookalike contest, and you..." and they cut to a repeat. That's terrible.


Now flashback episodes with new material are somewhat ok. It's risky doing those type of episodes if they're creating a scene within the show's timeline from a previous season. For example Friends wedding vow episode from season 7. They added more story to how Chandler and Monica eventually hooked up in season 4. Remember how Monica says in the episode to Chandler, "we aren't that close anyways" if they lose their friendship by sleeping together? We all know that's a lie because these two had many, many moments over the years where they are close. Sometimes when the writers do a flashback with a new scene from a previous season, they forget what all was before that because all they're thinking about is the story they want to tell now. I prefer there were no flashback episodes and just keep the show going with stories of the present.

I know what you mean. But for me, it's the contradictions the flashbacks present that are the problem, not the flashbacks themselves. A little closer care with continuity could have fixed the issues with differing birthdays, etc. One thing that looks a little strange due to the flashbacks is how Rachel doesn't recognize Chandler in the pilot. Because of the flashbacks, we know they know each other quite well.

I'm the same way: I want a new episode, not a rerun packaged as a new episode, with two minutes of new material, and then they say, "Remember when we entered that lookalike contest, and you..." and they cut to a repeat. That's terrible.

I'm glad The Little Chill wasn't like that. Could you imagine if the lost girls had come back for a reunion and all there was for them was a minute of airtime because they wanted to show clips of season 1? That would have been a waste of time on their end.


I know what you mean. But for me, it's the contradictions the flashbacks present that are the problem, not the flashbacks themselves. A little closer care with continuity could have fixed the issues with differing birthdays, etc. One thing that looks a little strange due to the flashbacks is how Rachel doesn't recognize Chandler in the pilot. Because of the flashbacks, we know they know each other quite well.

Yep. That's another thing that's risky about doing flashbacks. They forget what they had already told us in previous seasons. It's best to just stay in the present and focus on the character's lives as they go on; not from what happened in the past.

I'm glad The Little Chill wasn't like that. Could you imagine if the lost girls had come back for a reunion and all there was for them was a minute of airtime because they wanted to show clips of season 1? That would have been a waste of time on their end.

Ugh! That would have been awful. I'm glad we got a story, and not just flashbacks, with the girls laughing between clips show segments. I don't mind a few, here, and there, as TLC did, but a whole episode? No.

According to this page (https://herohabit.com/golden-girls-flashbacks-and-clip-shows/), The Golden Girls had thirteen clip shows over seven seasons. There was one additional flashback episode, but it had original content all the way through, and was a Friends-style flashback episode of who the girls met. 13 clip shows is a lot. They were doing clip shows as early as the second season. Flashing back to a year ago is almost as ridiculous as DS flashing back to a few months earlier! :lol:

According to this page (https://herohabit.com/golden-girls-flashbacks-and-clip-shows/), The Golden Girls had thirteen clip shows over seven seasons. There was one additional flashback episode, but it had original content all the way through, and was a Friends-style flashback episode of who the girls met. 13 clip shows is a lot. They were doing clip shows as early as the second season. Flashing back to a year ago is almost as ridiculous as DS flashing back to a few months earlier! :lol:

See what I mean? :lol: The Golden Girls didn't need to worry much about creativity. All they had to do was show a clip show and fans like 80sSitcoms would be happy :p I'm glad my favorite shows didn't go that route. I prefer story and character development with my shows.

I'm the same way: I want a new episode, not a rerun packaged as a new episode, with two minutes of new material, and then they say, "Remember when we entered that lookalike contest, and you..." and they cut to a repeat. That's terrible.

A rerun packaged as a "new episode"? That sounds like an extreme example. I can't think of any episodes like that. Scenes, yes, but not whole episodes.

See what I mean? :lol: The Golden Girls didn't need to worry much about creativity. All they had to do was show a clip show and fans like 80sSitcoms would be happy :p I'm glad my favorite shows didn't go that route. I prefer story and character development with my shows.

I love story and character, I'm just not anti-clip shows, lol. I like how they're relatable since families and friends love to reflect back on stories. I would expect that more from GG because they were older women and old people love to reminisce. I wouldn't tell my grandmother 'Don't tell me that story, I want to hear you say something new." :lol: :p

DS was ridiculous though in presenting a clip show in episode 8---8! :lol: Their Christmas episode of season 1. Wow, lol.

A rerun packaged as a "new episode"? That sounds like an extreme example. I can't think of any episodes like that. Scenes, yes, but not whole episodes.

But it is a whole episode. That's exactly what The Golden Girls did. They advertised these episodes as new when all it was is them saying "remember this? remember that?" It was a rerun just like Retro said.


DS was ridiculous though in presenting a clip show in episode 8---8! :lol: Their Christmas episode of season 1. Wow, lol.


All this talk of Diff'rent Strokes reminded me I have this show incomplete on DVD. I stopped at season 6. I just blind buy The Mary Tyler Moore Show plus the TV movie Mary & Rhoda from Amazon. I now have added seasons 7 and 8 of DS to checkout. I'm thinking of creating a playlist with All in The Family, The Jeffersons, DS, and Mary Tyler Moore. I like having shows I haven't seen all of in my TV viewing. I'll definitely skip episode 8 of DS though. That is way too early to do a clip show of 7 episodes ohno:

But it is a whole episode. That's exactly what The Golden Girls did. They advertised these episodes as new when all it was is them saying "remember this? remember that?" It was a rerun just like Retro said.

I think we may be talking about two different things. I took him to mean that at the beginning of an episode, characters say, "Remember this?" and then they rerun an entire episode instead of a new one. I can't think of any sitcom I've seen do that. :lookaroun Usually in clip shows it's clips from past episodes with new material as interstitials to tie it all together.

I'll definitely skip episode 8 of DS though. That is way too early to do a clip show of 7 episodes ohno:

Yes, all those fond remembrances of a whole two months ago--so many memories to choose from! :lol:

These two have funny Beverly Ann moments. At the end of Ready or Not, I love how Beverly Ann uses her husband cheating on her as an example that if it's meant to be, he'll be back. The girls all look at her and Tootie says, "but he didn't come back." Beverly Ann has this funny expression on her face like "well **** you're right" and then adds quickly, "ok we can still learn from this story. Sometimes they don't come back" :lol: Beverly Ann was perfect comic relief in season 8.

Another Room is funny when Jo keeps trying to sleep but everyone keeps bothering her. You have Beverly Ann stripping her bed while she's still laying down and the girls talking loud. I love the scene where Tootie talks to Jo about writing a letter to whoever she's mad at but don't send it. Jo replies, "well that'll teach em" :lol: Tootie then goes on this bizarre way of sending the angry letter to yourself so you have the satisfaction of knowing how the other person would have felt if you had the nerve to send it to them :crazy: There's so many great moments in season 8.



On the episode 'Another room', i love the scene where BLAIR is trying to unfold an ironing board very carefully (not to bother JO), but unfortunately ends up making a loud noise: the look that JO gives her speaks volume!!!

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I think we may be talking about two different things. I took him to mean that at the beginning of an episode, characters say, "Remember this?" and then they rerun an entire episode instead of a new one. I can't think of any sitcom I've seen do that. :lookaroun Usually in clip shows it's clips from past episodes with new material as interstitials to tie it all together.

That's what I'm talking about. But all of the "new material" adds up to less than five minutes. It's actually worse than watching a rerun, because in a rerun, you'd get a full episode, and not "select moments the producers decided to show you again". I love The Golden Girls, but their Clip Shows were one weakness. 13 in seven years is excessive.


Yes, all those fond remembrances of a whole two months ago--so many memories to choose from! :lol:

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MR. DRUMMOND: Remember that time you boys came to live with Kimberly and me?

WILLIS: Um, that was eight episodes ago, Mr. Drummond!

ARNOLD: [Outraged] Whatchootalkin'bout, Mr. Drummond?!

That's what I'm talking about. But all of the "new material" adds up to less than five minutes. It's actually worse than watching a rerun, because in a rerun, you'd get a full episode, and not "select moments the producers decided to show you again". I love The Golden Girls, but their Clip Shows were one weakness. 13 in seven years is excessive.

It's more than normal for sure. But it just depends on who you ask. You guys don't enjoy them, but I do. :) "Diff'rent strokes" for diff'rent folks. ;)


MR. DRUMMOND: Remember that time you boys came to live with Kimberly and me?

WILLIS: Um, that was eight episodes ago, Mr. Drummond!

ARNOLD: [Outraged] Whatchootalkin'bout, Mr. Drummond?!

I'm telling you, it's crazy! :lol:

I think we may be talking about two different things. I took him to mean that at the beginning of an episode, characters say, "Remember this?" and then they rerun an entire episode instead of a new one. I can't think of any sitcom I've seen do that.

Bewitched did that a couple of times.

Flashbacks that contain nothing but new footage but with some of it set in the past I like. Clip shows with clips of previous episodes I do not like.

I just watched the Chill episode. I enjoyed it but it was a shame they didn't focus more on the old cast. Great that they came back to do it though. So much big 80s hair. :D

I did find it strange that Jo didn't seem to know any of them. She would have gone to some of the same classes surely? Mind, I guess the others had that bond from sharing a dorm room etc.

I did find it strange that Jo didn't seem to know any of them. She would have gone to some of the same classes surely? Mind, I guess the others had that bond from sharing a dorm room etc.

Yeah, this has been an ongoing concern here at this board for 20 years now. Some people point out that they're acting like strangers and like they've never met Jo, but Tootie clearly asks them, "You guys remember Jo, right?" and they confirm they do. And then later, Cindy asks, "Jo, where were you that first year at Eastland?" (really just Cindy's and maybe Natalie's first year, and the viewers', but I digress, lol).

So they do remember her, just in a very casual "acquaintance" manner.

Bewitched did that a couple of times.

Flashbacks that contain nothing but new footage but with some of it set in the past I like. Clip shows with clips of previous episodes I do not like.

I'm the same way, but as '80s says, and I heartily agree, "It takes diff'rent strokes to move the wooooorlllld! Mmmm!"


I just watched the Chill episode. I enjoyed it but it was a shame they didn't focus more on the old cast.

A two-parter could have been better, but I LOVE that episode, and the acknowledgement by the writers that these girls had been a big part of the Core Four (well, Core Three's) lives back at Eastland. I love that homecoming. I love the storyline... they're not just there to chit chat. There's legitimate conflict, and by the two feistiest characters in the series: Jo and Sue Ann throw down! :lol:


Great that they came back to do it though. So much big 80s hair. :D

It was that era. :lol:


I did find it strange that Jo didn't seem to know any of them. She would have gone to some of the same classes surely? Mind, I guess the others had that bond from sharing a dorm room etc.

'80sSitcoms speaks for me on this matter: Jo clearly didn't know them all that well. They never shared a dorm room, they never even shared a dorm building. They didn't have late-night pillow fights, popcorn and movie nights, or Ouija board sessions. Tootie was invited over, in "Gossip", but Jo didn't gossip. They clearly saw her in some classes, and in the cafeteria, but they never became real friends.

My hope is that Jo was able to put her negative feelings about Sue Ann aside, realize that Sue Ann had made a mistake, and during the next reunion (which Molly of course attended), the eight of them just had a wonderful time, no drama.

All this talk of Diff'rent Strokes reminded me I have this show incomplete on DVD. I stopped at season 6. I just blind buy The Mary Tyler Moore Show plus the TV movie Mary & Rhoda from Amazon. I now have added seasons 7 and 8 of DS to checkout. I'm thinking of creating a playlist with All in The Family, The Jeffersons, DS, and Mary Tyler Moore. I like having shows I haven't seen all of in my TV viewing. I'll definitely skip episode 8 of DS though. That is way too early to do a clip show of 7 episodes ohno:

Creating your own clip show is an interesting thing to do. I did that on 2 DVDs with Everybody Loves Raymond several years ago, and it's really fun to watch. In fact, I need to pull those out and re-watch!

This is a huge thread so this comment may have been made already, but IIRC DS made a clip show for Christmas in the first season. That's gotta be a record--clips after around 11 episodes?

I'm glad The Little Chill wasn't like that. Could you imagine if the lost girls had come back for a reunion and all there was for them was a minute of airtime because they wanted to show clips of season 1? That would have been a waste of time on their end.




Yep. That's another thing that's risky about doing flashbacks. They forget what they had already told us in previous seasons. It's best to just stay in the present and focus on the character's lives as they go on; not from what happened in the past.

Christopher with TLC praise? Be still my heart! :lol:

Creating your own clip show is an interesting thing to do. I did that on 2 DVDs with Everybody Loves Raymond several years ago, and it's really fun to watch. In fact, I need to pull those out and re-watch!

This is a huge thread so this comment may have been made already, but IIRC DS made a clip show for Christmas in the first season. That's gotta be a record--clips after around 11 episodes?

It's funny you mention it, Steve, as '80sSitcoms and Christopher were actually just discussing it (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=5930779&postcount=635)! The two-part retrospective clip shows were episodes 8 and 9... which is ludicrous! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

This is a huge thread so this comment may have been made already, but IIRC DS made a clip show for Christmas in the first season. That's gotta be a record--clips after around 11 episodes?

After 7 episodes---7! The one-hour Xmas retrospective is episodes 8 and 9! :eek:

My hope is that Jo was able to put her negative feelings about Sue Ann aside, realize that Sue Ann had made a mistake, and during the next reunion (which Molly of course attended), the eight of them just had a wonderful time, no drama.

I don't think Jo had negative feelings about Sue Ann. If she did, she wouldn't have covered for Sue Ann. Jo is just as bad as Sue Ann allowing lies to be spread to the girls. Also, Molly attending? Really? :lol: I just found out she is in an episode of DS called Slumber Party. It's bad enough seeing her onscreen. Let's hope she never bothered the girls again with her annoying behavior :p


Creating your own clip show is an interesting thing to do. I did that on 2 DVDs with Everybody Loves Raymond several years ago, and it's really fun to watch. In fact, I need to pull those out and re-watch!

I don't create clip shows. What I do with my DVDs is make digital copies and throw episodes of the shows into folders with other shows. It's a playlist like a TV channel :lol: Only mine is better because it's hopefully uncut, no commercials, and no annoying on screen ads :)

Christopher with TLC praise? Be still my heart! :lol:

:lol: Let's not make this into that :p I was just slamming clip shows and thought about how much of a waste it is for the performers who only have like a few hours of work because the whole show is playing clips from previous episodes. I do think it would have been a waste for the first season girls if they had been treated like that. I'm glad they did give them a story for their fans and not just sit there with hardly any lines and all these clips playing.

After 7 episodes---7! The one-hour Xmas retrospective is episodes 8 and 9! :eek:

I need all Diff'rent Strokes fans to please help me with this. According to the production codes, this retrospective is the 16th episode made. The Facts of Life needed to be in production order because of the story in season 6 to be concise with other episodes. Does Diff'rent Strokes need to be that way too? Is this a show like FOL where some episodes won't make sense because it's out of order from how it was aired? :confused:

I don't think Jo had negative feelings about Sue Ann.

I think she just gradually became annoyed with her in the earlier scenes when Sue Ann kept shoveling those lies on the others.


I just found out she is in an episode of DS called Slumber Party.

You just now found out? Wow. Yup, "our Mols" (well, some of ours, not yours :lol:) is with Cindy, Natalie, Tootie, and Kimberly.


Christopher with TLC praise? Be still my heart!

Lol, he's also said nice things about aspects of season 1 too. I may find good things about the last season but I don't think I have anything good about Pippa. :lol:


I was just slamming clip shows and thought about how much of a waste it is for the performers who only have like a few hours of work

I look at in a positive light: Maybe the performers are glad to have an easy break for that week, lol. :) It's the audiences I've wondered about. Like, does the show do something to give them more time in the studio? Maybe a Q&A session with the actors or something? Hmmm....


I'm glad they did give them a story for their fans and not just sit there with hardly any lines and all these clips playing.

Yup! :nod:


I need all Diff'rent Strokes fans to please help me with this. According to the production codes, this retrospective is the 16th episode made. The Facts of Life needed to be in production order because of the story in season 6 to be concise with other episodes. Does Diff'rent Strokes need to be that way too? Is this a show like FOL where some episodes won't make sense because it's out of order from how it was aired? :confused:

Hmmm, I think pretty much just with the "to be continued"s, until later on when Kimberly departs the show but then comes back. And then, of course, there's the revolving door of housekeepers. :lol: So other than Kimberly's departure/return and the housekeepers, I don't think it probably matters that much (unless you prefer the chronology of the kids' aging).

I think she just gradually became annoyed with her in the earlier scenes when Sue Ann kept shoveling those lies on the others.

I agree they were annoyed with each other, but Jo didn't seem to hold onto her grudge like Sue Ann did. Jo even tried giving her advice on being honest with her friends and help her realize they wouldn't care. Sue Ann on the other hand resented Jo more for that and was even glad when they were leaving that Jo wasn't there. Sue Ann has the negative feelings and resentment towards Jo. Jo didn't care at all since she stayed quiet.


You just now found out? Wow. Yup, "our Mols" (well, some of ours, not yours :lol:) is with Cindy, Natalie, Tootie, and Kimberly.

I've only seen a handful of DS episodes. When I bought seasons 1 - 6 a couple of years ago, I stuck them in a drawer and forgot about them :lol: I'm a DVD addict so I'm sure I got sidetracked on another DVD collection set I bought at the time and that's why I forgot about DS. I am now making digital copies though and will be adding it to a playlist soon.


Lol, he's also said nice things about aspects of season 1 too. I may find good things about the last season but I don't think I have anything good about Pippa. :lol:

The only good things about the last season is Tootie ending up with Jeff and the episode Rumor Has It. There's some other good episodes but they're not as great as the first two I mentioned.


I look at in a positive light: Maybe the performers are glad to have an easy break for that week, lol. :) It's the audiences I've wondered about. Like, does the show do something to give them more time in the studio? Maybe a Q&A session with the actors or something? Hmmm....

See I'm just wondering do they get paid the same as any other episode and if so, why? They're not used much in the clip show so they shouldn't make the same IMO.


Hmmm, I think pretty much just with the "to be continued"s, until later on when Kimberly departs the show but then comes back. And then, of course, there's the revolving door of housekeepers. :lol: So other than Kimberly's departure/return and the housekeepers, I don't think it probably matters that much (unless you prefer the chronology of the kids' aging).


So if I keep DS in airdate order, there won't be any confusion during my watch? Like season 6 had Blair and Cliff together in the beginning, then had her dating other guys, and then we find out Blair and Cliff were going to be engaged but called it off. Will there be any confusions like that?

I've only seen a handful of DS episodes. When I bought seasons 1 - 6 a couple of years ago, I stuck them in a drawer and forgot about them :lol: I'm a DVD addict so I'm sure I got sidetracked on another DVD collection set I bought at the time and that's why I forgot about DS. I am now making digital copies though and will be adding it to a playlist soon.

Oh wow...that's so interesting that a big sitcom lover has only seen a handful of DS episodes. I had the experience in my formative years of watching daily DS and FOL reruns at my grandparents', so I even got to see everything unfold in order. :)


So if I keep DS in airdate order, there won't be any confusion during my watch? Like season 6 had Blair and Cliff together in the beginning, then had her dating other guys, and then we find out Blair and Cliff were going to be engaged but called it off. Will there be any confusions like that?

Oh no, yeah, you should be fine then. I'm very observant with sitcom chronology details too (with Blair and Cliff I was like, wait, what? But they were broken up? Huh?) There are no weird couples-jumping-back-and-forth, lol. You should be all good!

Oh wow...that's so interesting that a big sitcom lover has only seen a handful of DS episodes. I had the experience in my formative years of watching daily DS and FOL reruns at my grandparents', so I even got to see everything unfold in order. :)

Diff'rent Strokes didn't have a syndication life in the 90's. It wasn't until N@N (or was it TV Land?) that I got to see the show. The ones that I really enjoyed were the controversial episodes. The Hitchhiker episode is the reason I wanted season 6. I thought if I get season 6, I should get the rest :lol: Some of the shows I bought complete on DVD were rarely seen. Maude for example had a very short life on N@N and I didn't even bother watching the show then. It wasn't until some of the episodes ended up on YouTube that I got into that show and wanted to see more. A lot of the serious sitcoms were rarely shown in syndication.


Oh no, yeah, you should be fine then. I'm very observant with sitcom chronology details too (with Blair and Cliff I was like, wait, what? But they were broken up? Huh?) There are no weird couples-jumping-back-and-forth, lol. You should be all good!

I have The Facts of Life numbered differently in season 6 so that the story lines up, along with their hairdo changes and braces coming off :lol: I'll keep DS in airdate order. Thanks 80s! :wave:

Diff'rent Strokes didn't have a syndication life in the 90's. It wasn't until N@N (or was it TV Land?) that I got to see the show.

Ah, I guess it went "on hiatus" from re-runs. Yeah when I was watching in my formative years in the '80s, I was getting to watch the DS and FOL daily reruns back-to-back.


I have The Facts of Life numbered differently in season 6 so that the story lines up, along with their hairdo changes and braces coming off :lol: I'll keep DS in airdate order. Thanks 80s! :wave:

Sure! :wave:

According to this page (https://herohabit.com/golden-girls-flashbacks-and-clip-shows/), The Golden Girls had thirteen clip shows over seven seasons. There was one additional flashback episode, but it had original content all the way through, and was a Friends-style flashback episode of who the girls met. 13 clip shows is a lot. They were doing clip shows as early as the second season. Flashing back to a year ago is almost as ridiculous as DS flashing back to a few months earlier! :lol:

I think you need to read that article again as it is about flashback and clips shows which are two different things. TGG liked have episodes where the girls sat around the table late at night, not able to sleep and remember things the viewer has yet to see as we get a collection of perhaps 3 mini stories within a single episode and it is all new content.

I am now on disk 2 of season 8. is it me or do the girls seem not too keen on Beverly Ann? Personally, I like her but they often look at her with a sort 'who the heck are you' look about them.

i wondered why they had a piano in the opening credits whereas in the show we have a seat near the stairs. An episode back, a piano appeared. Next episode, gone. Then an episode starts with George Clooney pushing into place. I guess as others have been posting, a lot aired out of production order. Which i think would explain why Clooney started the season with a haircut and now it has suddenly grown back.

I think you need to read that article again as it is about flashback and clips shows which are two different things. TGG liked have episodes where the girls sat around the table late at night, not able to sleep and remember things the viewer has yet to see as we get a collection of perhaps 3 mini stories within a single episode and it is all new content.

True, many of their "flashback" episodes are all new content.


I am now on disk 2 of season 8. is it me or do the girls seem not too keen on Beverly Ann? Personally, I like her but they often look at her with a sort 'who the heck are you' look about them.

It's not you. They do seem cold/guarded regarding her at first. But they warm up to her, thank goodness. :)


i wondered why they had a piano in the opening credits whereas in the show we have a seat near the stairs. An episode back, a piano appeared. Next episode, gone. Then an episode starts with George Clooney pushing into place. I guess as others have been posting, a lot aired out of production order. Which i think would explain why Clooney started the season with a haircut and now it has suddenly grown back.

Yup. :lol:

To be honest, i always felt that at the very beginning JO was the coldest one towards BEVERLY ANN, and didn't quite trust her or felt like confiding in her.
BLAIR didn't take BEVERLY ANN seriously and treated her like she was a bit dumb.
TOOTIE seemed annoyed at her most of the time,

and ONLY NATALIE was warm and caring towards BEVERLY ANN.

Luckily all of this changed as the season 8 went on (like 80s said) and in the end, the 'Core of 4' was very supportive towards BEVERLY ANN, and showed her the respect she deserved...

I think you need to read that article again as it is about flashback and clips shows which are two different things.

The article specifically calls episodes 2-17, 2-25, 3-02, 3-18, 3-19, 4-15, 5-25, 5-26, 6-24, 6-25, and 7-07 clip shows.


TGG liked have episodes where the girls sat around the table late at night, not able to sleep and remember things the viewer has yet to see as we get a collection of perhaps 3 mini stories within a single episode and it is all new content.

Which episodes, aside from 1-25 and 3-25 were all-new content?

To be honest, i always felt that at the very beginning JO was the coldest one towards BEVERLY ANN, and didn't quite trust her or felt like confiding in her.
BLAIR didn't take BEVERLY ANN seriously and treated her like she was a bit dumb.
TOOTIE seemed annoyed at her most of the time,

and ONLY NATALIE was warm and caring towards BEVERLY ANN.

Luckily all of this changed as the season 8 went on (like 80s said) and in the end, the 'Core of 4' was very supportive towards BEVERLY ANN, and showed her the respect she deserved...

I agree with your assessment, Valentina: Jo seemed cold, Tootie seemed angry, Blair seemed snobby to her. Nat did seem to be kinder.

The article specifically calls episodes 2-17, 2-25, 3-02, 3-18, 3-19, 4-15, 5-25, 5-26, 6-24, 6-25, and 7-07 clip shows.

That article is incorrect.


Which episodes, aside from 1-25 and 3-25 were all-new content?

2-17, 3-02, 4-15 are all new content flashback shows (as opposed to "clip shows", shows featuring clips from previous episodes). The only I'm not sure about from the title is "Dateline: Miami".

I'm surprised they didn't also list 3-25, as that was another all new content flashback episode.

That article is incorrect.

2-17, 3-02, 4-15 are all new content flashback shows (as opposed to "clip shows", shows featuring clips from previous episodes). The only I'm not sure about from the title is "Dateline: Miami".

But what's the sense of Bachu telling me to re-read an article that is incorrect?


I'm surprised they didn't also list 3-25, as that was another all new content flashback episode.

3-25 is on their list as all new.

But what's the sense of Bachu telling me to re-read an article that is incorrect?

Well none of us knew until now. You pointed out the article, then he advised you to re-read it because there is a difference in clip shows and flashback shows, then I noticed the discrepancy.


3-25 is on their list as all new.

Ah, so they got that one right, lol.

Lets be honest; it is a badly written article. A clip show shows clips from previous episodes. A flashback episode shows events that happened in the past, never before seen by the viewer and scripted and filmed for the episode.

I agree with your assessment, Valentina: Jo seemed cold, Tootie seemed angry, Blair seemed snobby to her. Nat did seem to be kinder.


Exactly!!!!

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To be honest, i always felt that at the very beginning JO was the coldest one towards BEVERLY ANN, and didn't quite trust her or felt like confiding in her.

That's odd because that was never shown in the show. The only one that was angered by Beverly Ann and distant is Tootie. She referred to Beverly Ann as the devil coming to smite an angel in her first episode. That's why they had the episode Ready or Not to continue the rough relationship between the two so they could work on it. The rest of the girls were fine with Beverly Ann. Jo was never cold to Beverly Ann. She get annoyed but it was just like any other time Jo got annoyed with one of the girls. It was never a cold action towards anyone.

That's odd because that was never shown in the show. The only one that was angered by Beverly Ann and distant is Tootie. She referred to Beverly Ann as the devil coming to smite an angel in her first episode. That's why they had the episode Ready or Not to continue the rough relationship between the two so they could work on it. The rest of the girls were fine with Beverly Ann. Jo was never cold to Beverly Ann. She get annoyed but it was just like any other time Jo got annoyed with one of the girls. It was never a cold action towards anyone.



Maybe you are not reading between the lines in the same way i am,[/: what i meant was that JO seemed distant and reserved towards BEVERLY ANN, (whereas she had always been close and a lot more open with MRS G).

TOOTIE was definitely angry and acted annoyed by BEVERLY ANN you're right.

NATALIE is actually the [B]only one out of the 'Core of 4' who was warm and showed interest in getting to know BEVERLY ANN and it shows: in real life MINDY and CLORIS became instants friends!

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Maybe you are not reading [B]between the lines in the same way i am,[/: what i meant was that JO seemed distant and reserved towards BEVERLY ANN, (whereas she had always been close and a lot more open with MRS G).

That wasn't shown though. Jo was open to Beverly Ann in Another Room about finding another place. She even talked about applying for a loan. Off Broadway Baby has Jo showing Beverly Ann around New York. The Ratings Game she opens up about why she tampered with Blair's dating program. Where are you seeing this alleged coldness that didn't happen? :lol: :p

That wasn't shown though. Jo was open to Beverly Ann in Another Room about finding another place. She even talked about applying for a loan. Off Broadway Baby has Jo showing Beverly Ann around New York. The Ratings Game she opens up about why she tampered with Blair's dating program. Where are you seeing this alleged coldness that didn't happen? :lol: :p



I guess we all see things differently, but i was always under the impression that BEVERLY ANN was the one going after JO rather than otherwise.
The one episode that comes into mind is 'The Little chill': in the scene where JO is sitting by herself in the living room, you see BEVERLY ANN trying to approach our 'Bronx girl' for a heart to heart talk, and although JO opens up to her, it feels kind of forced to me.

All i'm saying, is that when the 'Core of 4' had their 'heart to heart' talk with MRS G it was more natural and believable....

:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:

Mindy at the time was closer to Cloris than Charlotte and that showed through on screen through their characters.

Mindy at the time was closer to Cloris than Charlotte and that showed through on screen through their characters.




I always thought the 4 girls were closer to CHARLOTTE (although it's true that MINDY had the best chemistry towards CLORIS out of all of them)

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All i'm saying, is that when the 'Core of 4' had their 'heart to heart' talk with MRS G it was more natural and believable....

Well yeah because that is Mrs. Garrett's role. Beverly Ann is a completely different character. If you're going to keep trying to see Beverly Ann as a Mrs. Garrett, you're not going to perceive the show the way it was written. That's why Beverly Ann was perfect that first year. She isn't forceful. She lets the girls know she's there if they want to talk but she's not Mrs. Garrett and even admits this. She tells the girls she always wonders what advice she would have given and it would never be as correct as Mrs. Garrett. Beverly Ann is a friend, an equal to the girls. Another reason they call her Beverly Ann and not Mrs. Stickle, or Ms. Stickle since she was divorce. It was made clear from the very beginning, Beverly Ann is not a Mrs. Garrett replacement. She's her own character.

Well yeah because that is Mrs. Garrett's role. Beverly Ann is a completely different character. If you're going to keep trying to see Beverly Ann as a Mrs. Garrett, you're not going to perceive the show the way it was written. That's why Beverly Ann was perfect that first year. She isn't forceful. She lets the girls know she's there if they want to talk but she's not Mrs. Garrett and even admits this. She tells the girls she always wonders what advice she would have given and it would never be as correct as Mrs. Garrett. Beverly Ann is a friend, an equal to the girls. Another reason they call her Beverly Ann and not Mrs. Stickle, or Ms. Stickle since she was divorce. It was made clear from the very beginning, Beverly Ann is not a Mrs. Garrett replacement. She's her own character.



I get it that BEVERLY ANN had her own character and i liked her for the way she was: funny, charming and easy to get along!
I was talking about how i perceived JO's relationship/attitude towards her, and i cannot help feeling the distance between them....
Don't get me wrong: both women (JO and BEVERLY ANN) got along, it just that they didn't click in the same way as NAT & BEVERLY ANN did; JO & BLAIR did; TOOTIE & NAT did, and for example CINDY & SUE ANN did (in the 'Lost girl' case) that's all.....

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Have just watched the skiing episode; they made Hopper get dressed way too early!

I :heart: that episode!

I quite enjoyed the Down Under movie. Perhaps a too little Blair and Jo heavy but I did like the Nalalie storyline. Also, it was nicely filmed with some good camera work.

Does anyone know what the 'song' was that was being played during the choir bit near the end? Sounded lovely and I would love to hear it complete.

I watched the episode were Bev adopted Andy. Some OTT moments with Andy acting out and it probably would have benefitted from being a two parter but good none the less.

Was it ever mentioned before that Andy was living with foster parents?

I watched the episode were Bev adopted Andy. Some OTT moments with Andy acting out and it probably would have benefitted from being a two parter but good none the less.

Was it ever mentioned before that Andy was living with foster parents?

No. In "Write and Wrong" he had parents and a grandmother. Now, suddenly, they are foster parents and there's apparently no grandmother. Baaaad continuity.

Perhaps they thought, a few throwaway lines; nobody will notice.

I assume they did this storyline to perhaps give Andy and Bev a bit more purpose perhaps??? More of a reason for Andy to always be around.

I can't imagine the Jo from the Eastman years wearing the clothes Jo does now. She seems way to stylish with her blazers.

No. In "Write and Wrong" he had parents and a grandmother. Now, suddenly, they are foster parents and there's apparently no grandmother. Baaaad continuity.

No continuity! lol

Perhaps they thought, a few throwaway lines; nobody will notice.

I assume they did this storyline to perhaps give Andy and Bev a bit more purpose perhaps??? More of a reason for Andy to always be around.

Yep. I think that totally made sense. But don't do it within months of telling us he DOES have family. ;)


I can't imagine the Jo from the Eastman years wearing the clothes Jo does now. She seems way to stylish with her blazers.

It actually gets worse... :lol:

No continuity! lol

True. :lol:

Even as a kid, I was shocked they would do this. I was all, "he had a grandmother!"

I am now about 6 episodes into season 9 and I am quite enjoying it despite many here saying it is the worst season ever. And that producer Irma something or other who many of you would happily make vanish like the lost girls. ;)

I quite like Pippa. I assume she and Andy will get into scrapes together.

The kitchen looks new. And like it is where the shop once was. Also seems to have staircase and the placing of it suggests it is almost next to/behind the one in the living room.

Where does Andy sleep? The basement?

The kitchen looks new. And like it is where the shop once was. Also seems to have staircase and the placing of it suggests it is almost next to/behind the one in the living room.

The kitchen is actually "behind" where the shop was, on the other side of the staircase. The store space becomes Pippa and Andy's separate sleeping quarters (which we never see).


Where does Andy sleep? The basement?

Good question for before season 9, lol.

I am now about 6 episodes into season 9 and I am quite enjoying it despite many here saying it is the worst season ever. And that producer Irma something or other who many of you would happily make vanish like the lost girls. ;)

I quite like Pippa. I assume she and Andy will get into scrapes together.

The kitchen looks new. And like it is where the shop once was. Also seems to have staircase and the placing of it suggests it is almost next to/behind the one in the living room.

Where does Andy sleep? The basement?

There's actually a reference to where Andy sleeps in Season 8. In "Boy About the House", Andy says his room is right next to the boiler, indicating it's somewhere behind the staircase, or down in the basement. But in the same episode, Andy goes upstairs and to the left several times to change clothes. So I got the impression the boiler and his room is upstairs on the left. Of course, this doesn't make much sense as Beverly Anne's room is also to the left, and I doubt there's enough space for two bedrooms on the left.

There's actually a reference to where Andy sleeps in Season 8. In "Boy About the House", Andy says his room is right next to the boiler, indicating it's somewhere behind the staircase, or down in the basement. But in the same episode, Andy goes upstairs and to the left several times to change clothes. So I got the impression the boiler and his room is upstairs on the left. Of course, this doesn't make much sense as Beverly Anne's room is also to the left, and I doubt there's enough space for two bedrooms on the left.

Perhaps there's yet another hallway in there that leads to two bedrooms. One could continue going "to the left" over the kitchen, and maybe there's an adjacent bedroom over the store. Who knows with that house? :crazy: lol

Perhaps there's yet another hallway in there that leads to two bedrooms. One could continue going "to the left" over the kitchen, and maybe there's an adjacent bedroom over the store. Who knows with that house? :crazy: lol

I thought there might be a bedroom over the store, and the exterior shots 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clearly show there are windows above the shop on the second floor. But the interior shots seem to show a raftered ceiling in the store part (https://factsoflifeshow.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/edna3.jpg) of Edna's Edibles.

But the house, as cfr1970 said, was a black hole of rooms, especially in the later seasons: full of rooms we'd never heard of before, and never would again. Architecture that appeared and disappeared. In BAtH, Andy had a bedroom. Then they needed store space for Andy and Pippa's bedrooms. None of it made any sense. :crazy:

I am about 2/3 of the way through season 9. From what I have read, most here do not like it. Personally, I am guite enjoying. More than other seasons I would say. I read some of you found it sometimes to much focusing on the drama and I get and see that complaint though for me, a bit of drama in a comedy can then make the comedy line that comes next all the more funnier.

Why was Pippa sleeping in the couch? She could have shared with Jo and Blair. I mean, Natalie and Tootie did.

I am really liking Beverly-Ann.

I would rate my liking of the girls as starting with Natalie, Tootie, Blair and then Jo.

The new kitchen set; is that supposed to be in place of the one they had when the shop sold food? To me, the layout of the new kitchen would clearly intrude on where the rear of the shop was that looked out on the street. Mind, as viewers we are not supposed to look into these things to much. Mind, looks like they have not got rid of the shop and will turn it into two bedrooms that I think others have said we will never see.

I am about 2/3 of the way through season 9. From what I have read, most here do not like it. Personally, I am guite enjoying. More than other seasons I would say.

I'm glad this season can bring a smile to your face, and keep some folks entertained. I remember thinking, even as a kid, that the 9th season felt very low-energy. I didn't know, at the time, that Nancy and Mindy had both decided this would be their last season. I was also really excited by the two-part finale.


Why was Pippa sleeping in the couch? She could have shared with Jo and Blair. I mean, Natalie and Tootie did.

The girls had only recently gotten their own rooms, after having to share with three other girls for seven years. They could have... but I'm kind of glad they didn't.

The addition of Andy and Pippa's bedroom made little sense to me. Andy already had a bedroom next to the boiler room, according to "Boy About the House". They couldn't decide if his bedroom was in a basement, downstairs, or upstairs. In BAtH, he goes upstairs to change clothes and study. But would a boiler room be upstairs? And Andy doesn't point upstairs when he talks about the room: he points across.

Does Andy's old room still exist in Season 9? It seems unclear. If so, they have a six-bedroom house.


I am really liking Beverly-Ann.

I would rate my liking of the girls as starting with Natalie, Tootie, Blair and then Jo.

The new kitchen set; is that supposed to be in place of the one they had when the shop sold food? To me, the layout of the new kitchen would clearly intrude on where the rear of the shop was that looked out on the street. Mind, as viewers we are not supposed to look into these things to much. Mind, looks like they have not got rid of the shop and will turn it into two bedrooms that I think others have said we will never see.

Yes, the layout of the new kitchen is odd. If they had put the entrance to the kitchen in the "northeast" corner, it would have fit better with the existing layout of the house. But by this point, the producers didn't seem to care much about continuity, and bedrooms, doors, and basic layouts were changing on a regular basis. It's a good thing the show was cancelled because in a few more seasons, that house would have been a palace! :lol:

The addition of Andy and Pippa's bedroom made little sense to me. Andy already had a bedroom next to the boiler room, according to "Boy About the House".

Did they say it was an actual room? I thought they said he just slept beside the boiler. But I haven't watched that one in a long time.

Did they say it was an actual room? I thought they said he just slept beside the boiler. But I haven't watched that one in a long time.

Andy says BA fixed up a "great room" for him, right next to the boiler. This indicates there's an actual room, rather than him sleeping in the same room as the boiler. Of course, BAtH doesn't mesh well with the continuity of previous episodes, where he had parents and a grandmother, so maybe it's BAtH that should be ignored. But if we ignore BAtH, then Andy never gets adopted, and yet is still living with the girls and Beverly Ann, so...

I watched the episode were Natalie and Snake make love. Quite a good episode I thought. It handled the subject well and I enjoyed the serious bits which make the characters a little more three dimensional.

I wonder if they used Blairs pay cheque this week, seeing as she didn't appear, to pay for Natalie and Tooties bedroom set? ;) It looked great. Cosy. Shame it was mostly seen in shadows.

Not sure how much I like Snake. Cannot work out if it is the actor or his performance that I am not warming to.

I watched the episode were Natalie and Snake make love. Quite a good episode I thought. It handled the subject well and I enjoyed the serious bits which make the characters a little more three dimensional.

I wonder if they used Blairs pay cheque this week, seeing as she didn't appear, to pay for Natalie and Tooties bedroom set? ;)

Haha! According to sources, Lisa lost $55,000.00 (https://www.thegleaner.com/story/news/2019/04/22/facts-life-star-lisa-whelchel-speak-henderson-church/3539073002/) for not doing the episode, so if they used Lisa's salary for the new set, that is one expensive bedroom set! :lol:

I am about 2/3 of the way through season 9. From what I have read, most here do not like it. Personally, I am guite enjoying. More than other seasons I would say. I read some of you found it sometimes to much focusing on the drama and I get and see that complaint though for me, a bit of drama in a comedy can then make the comedy line that comes next all the more funnier.

Season 9 doesn't have drama. It's extremely fluff compared to the early years and season 5 the most. Season 5 is the most heavy dramatic season of the show. It was overkill IMO. The problem I've explained a few times about season 9 is how the girls are mean towards Pippa. Here's this girl from another country. She has no family. She's barely making any friends. The core 4 just shut her out and make her feel like a pest. We see it the most in Something in Common and The First Time. It's very different to how Mrs. Garrett treated the core 4 at Pippa's age. The core 4 also lack the close bond they had from the previous 4 years. Jo is different the most. She doesn't even care when her friends are fighting with each other. Instead, she tells them one of them can move out. It's cold hearted and that's not how she was from seasons 2 - 8. It's good you're able to see past that to enjoy season 9 though. Rumor Has It is my favorite episode that season. I also enjoy the Tootie / Jeff episodes. Tootie is the only character I think the show had a proper ending for. The rest just seemed off.

The problem I've explained a few times about season 9 is how the girls are mean towards Pippa. Here's this girl from another country. She has no family. She's barely making any friends. The core 4 just shut her out and make her feel like a pest.

They really do. If they had done that to Andy, he wouldn't have hung around with them long enough to get adopted.


Jo is different the most. She doesn't even care when her friends are fighting with each other. Instead, she tells them one of them can move out. It's cold hearted and that's not how she was from seasons 2 - 8.

Her characterization definitely feels off.

Tootie is the only character I think the show had a proper ending for. The rest just seemed off.

Poor Natalie got stuck rooming with David Spade! :lol:

Tootie and Natalie feel more in character than Blair or Jo, by the end.

Her characterization definitely feels off.

Her style is very distracting as well. She has the 80's rocker hairstyle with skirts and stockings. She looks like Blair and season 8 Cindy trying to be a model. I don't recall a single episode where she's in jeans for season 9. Season 8 is the last season she looks like her tomboy self.



Poor Natalie got stuck rooming with David Spade! :lol:

Tootie and Natalie feel more in character than Blair or Jo, by the end.

I like David Spade so that didn't bother me. What bothered me was Natalie didn't have a job when she moved in with them. She gave up working to get a career in journalism. She went backwards in Big Apple Blues. It was ridiculous. I also can't imagine her going from friends she knows will pay their share of the bills to a group of strangers to rely on for a roof over her head and utilities. I haven't seen Big Apple Blues in a long time, but isn't David's character the only one with a steady income? There was an out of work actor and a woman taking odd jobs to support herself. How smart is it to room with them? I guess I need to stop looking at it from a realistic point of view and use the fluff goggles in fairytale land the writers wanted us to see the episode from.

Her style is very distracting as well. She has the 80's rocker hairstyle with skirts and stockings. She looks like Blair and season 8 Cindy trying to be a model. I don't recall a single episode where she's in jeans for season 9. Season 8 is the last season she looks like her tomboy self.

The brown leather jacket they had her in, in parts of Season 8 (and even put on "Jojo" the puppet) helped give her somewhat of a biker or rebel feel. I don't mind the hair, as all the ladies had huge hair by then, but the red fingernail polish, the make-up... I think characters should evolve, but Jo evolved into someone she once hated: BLAIR! :lol:


I like David Spade so that didn't bother me. What bothered me was Natalie didn't have a job when she moved in with them. She gave up working to get a career in journalism. She went backwards in Big Apple Blues. It was ridiculous. I also can't imagine her going from friends she knows will pay their share of the bills to a group of strangers to rely on for a roof over her head and utilities. I haven't seen Big Apple Blues in a long time, but isn't David's character the only one with a steady income?

Yeah, he was a Med student or something. But he was so rude. I can't see Natalie putting up with that for very long.


There was an out of work actor and a woman taking odd jobs to support herself. How smart is it to room with them?

Yeah, Natalie Green basically became Rachel Green and moved into the huge Friends apartment, with a struggling Italian out-of-work actor, a flaky meditation girl, an uptight female roommate, and a sarcastic guy. All that was missing was the paleontologist. Only problem is: these Friends weren't remotely likeable. :lol:

With a likeable cast and good writing, Natalie's spin-off could have worked. Six years later, it did.

Finished the show tonight.

I can understand why the more serious episodes didn't do it for people. It didn't help that they came so close together. Blair has a car crash. Someone is going to commit suicide.

The Natalie moves to New York episode felt like a back door pilot for Friends. Dr guy would be Ross; actor guy would be Joey' mediatating woman would be Phoebe...

As a backdoor pilot I did enjoy the two part finale. Too many characters though. Did they learn nothing from season 1!!! ;) Also, all the main kids were white and slim. The only 'different' one was the ginger kid. The lobby and dorm sets were impressive, as was Blairs office.

As the two part finale for the final season of the show it stunk. I think I passed comment on the final episode of season 4 or 5 and how that felt like the finale of a show. This did not. Though, perhaps it did in the way it kind of went back to the roots of the show about a fish out of water taking charge of a bunch of kids at school.

Finished the show tonight.

I can understand why the more serious episodes didn't do it for people. It didn't help that they came so close together. Blair has a car crash. Someone is going to commit suicide.

The Natalie moves to New York episode felt like a back door pilot for Friends. Dr guy would be Ross; actor guy would be Joey' mediatating woman would be Phoebe...

I felt like Sarcastic Doctor (David Spade) was Chandler, Meditating Woman was Phoebe, High Strung Woman was Monica, Italian Guy was Joey, and Natalie Green herself was Rachel Green.


As a backdoor pilot I did enjoy the two part finale. Too many characters though. Did they learn nothing from season 1!!! ;)

By this time, large casts were back in, with Head of the Class a hit, and Saved By the Bell soon to be.


Also, all the main kids were white and slim. The only 'different' one was the ginger kid. The lobby and dorm sets were impressive, as was Blairs office.

I particularly like the exterior shot we get, which is the same shot as most of the Season 1 exteriors.

The ginger kid would later find fame as Seth Greene. Mayim Bialik and Juliette Lewis also became household names. That was a talented group of kids!


As the two part finale for the final season of the show it stunk. I think I passed comment on the final episode of season 4 or 5 and how that felt like the finale of a show. This did not. Though, perhaps it did in the way it kind of went back to the roots of the show about a fish out of water taking charge of a bunch of kids at school.

It definitely didn't wrap up The Facts of Life, but it did contain strong echoes of the past, with a woman going to a prestigious private school and getting roped into becoming a staff member of said school.

I did think N Green would become R Green.

Having so many characters is what I liked about the 2 parter.

LOL, it was a nice touch seeing the exteriour shot of the school, not seen in many, many seasons.

J Lewis was the actress I recognised but whose name I could not remember without promting. If the show had taken off, would we have had Blossom or S Green (another Green) in Buffy...

I suppose I thought Spade as Ross as both were doctors or a sort.

I did think N Green would become R Green.

Having so many characters is what I liked about the 2 parter.

It certainly feels more like a school when you see a big group of students. That's one of the things missing from Seasons 2-4, even.


LOL, it was a nice touch seeing the exteriour shot of the school, not seen in many, many seasons.

It's such a brief shot, but makes me feel quite warm inside.


J Lewis was the actress I recognised but whose name I could not remember without promting. If the show had taken off, would we have had Blossom or S Green (another Green) in Buffy...

We definitely wouldn't have had a Blossom, which debuted just two years later.


I suppose I thought Spade as Ross as both were doctors or a sort.

Yeah, I can see that. But Ross wasn't a medical professional; just someone with a doctorate.

But Ross wasn't a medical professional; just someone with a doctorate.

He'd still argue he was a Dr though. :crazy:

Seasons 2-4 had too few extras fleshing out the cafeteria. It felt a little dull as a result.

Have just watched the Paley interview extra. Very good. The cast come over so well. Lisa and Natalie came across as being great fun.

He'd still argue he was a Dr though. :crazy:

Yes. Yes he would. :lol:


Seasons 2-4 had too few extras fleshing out the cafeteria. It felt a little dull as a result.

Especially towards the end, where extras had such a small role. Early on in seasons 2 and early Season 3, we would regularly get a "fifth girl" who would have a major role in an episode: Nancy in "Gossip", Cynthia in "Breaking Point", Allison in "A Baby in the House", Brenda in "The Four Musketeers", Miko in "The Americanization of Miko". But after episode 3-16, the only "fifth girl" episodes at Eastland were Alexandra running away and Alexandra messing up. In many episodes, the school feels very empty, as if Eastland has been abandoned. Season 4 is thus my least-favorite of the otherwise good Eastland Years.

Especially towards the end, where extras had such a small role.

It would have been nice to have scenesin the cafeteria with even the core 4 sittnig centre while extras are in the background, snacking or working on homework every now and then. Episodes often felt a little empty. And the cafeteria set was used too much.

It would have been nice to have scenesin the cafeteria with even the core 4 sittnig centre while extras are in the background, snacking or working on homework every now and then. Episodes often felt a little empty.

Early on, there were efforts to make sure scenes with extra Eastland girls at least appeared in the cafeteria. This sort of faded away after a while. Episodes like "Who's On First" have brief appearances by Terry and Jenny, but do we really believe the cafeteria remains empty (other than the Core Four and Mrs. G) during the entire episode, when the scenes seemingly cover weeks' worth of time?


And the cafeteria set was used too much.

They could have used the classroom, library, stage, and auditorium sets more, that's for sure!

I'm fine with the cafeteria being empty so much. It gives the show a more intimate close-knit feel with the girls and Mrs. Garrett, and I just assume no other girls are really there except for lunchtime.

I'm fine with the cafeteria being empty so much. It gives the show a more intimate close-knit feel with the girls and Mrs. Garrett, and I just assume no other girls are really there except for lunchtime.

But this is a boarding school: the other girls should be there for breakfast and dinner, as well. There are only a few students who live off-campus.

But this is a boarding school: the other girls should be there for breakfast and dinner, as well.

Should they? We never see any indication that the cafeteria prepares supper for the girls. Perhaps not breakfast either.

I mean, of course, logically it would make sense Mrs. Garrett prepares those meals as well. It just seems the meals they're ever making are pretty much just for lunchtime (I guess because, again, no girls are there in the morning nor in the evening, lol).

Anyway, I still like it the way it is. There wouldn't be that special isolated, unconventional family intimacy if "10, 12 girls" were shown sitting at tables in the cafeteria eating. They couldn't have done the same show that way.


There are only a few students who live off-campus.

Are there any? :confused: I can't recall any mentioned as specifically living off campus.

Should they? We never see any indication that the cafeteria prepares supper for the girls.

I'm pretty sure we do. In "Give and Take", Mrs. Garrett says she's warming biscuits for the girls' dinner, and the kitchen window shows it's already dark outside. It's clearly evening hours.


Perhaps not breakfast either.

I think that's unlikely as well. We see the girls prepare breakfast in "Give and Take", including grapefruit halves (with cherries in the middle), oatmeal, eggs, toast, bacon, and juice.



Are there any? :confused: I can't recall any mentioned as specifically living off campus.

According to Tootie in "Brave New World, part 2", Mary Jane Rhinegold lives off-campus; that's how they're able to get Mr. Parker's permission for Natalie and Tootie to live off-campus with Mrs. Garrett.

I'm pretty sure we do. In "Give and Take", Mrs. Garrett says she's warming biscuits for the girls' dinner, and the kitchen window shows it's already dark outside. It's clearly evening hours.

"buns". You remember, the bun warmer? "He who (something-something) has cold buns"? :lol: I didn't think they mentioned any evening time meal though. Maybe they do, but I can't think of a line with one. As far as I recall she just says "So does cooking for hundreds of girls on equipment that's out(something), outdated, and just plain out!" (angry Edna!)


I think that's unlikely as well. We see the girls prepare breakfast in "Give and Take", including grapefruit halves (with cherries in the middle), oatmeal, eggs, toast, bacon, and juice.

Ah, true. So I guess we're just never shown scenes at breakfast time when the girls are actually there, lol. Same with supper.


According to Tootie in "Brave New World, part 2", Mary Jane Rhinegold lives off-campus; that's how they're able to get Mr. Parker's permission for Natalie and Tootie to live off-campus with Mrs. Garrett.

Ah. Perhaps she lived with her grandmother whom she helped take care of?

"buns". You remember, the bun warmer? "He who (something-something) has cold buns"? :lol:

Not in "Give and Take": Mrs. Garrett calls them biscuits. "Oh, these biscuits are never going to defrost on their own". This is right before she discovers the burnt log in her oven (which is the roast being prepared for dinner).


Ah, true. So I guess we're just never shown scenes at breakfast time when the girls are actually there, lol. Same with supper.

I don't think that's true: we do see some evening-hour dinners, for example in "Cousin Geri" We see Howard order the girls into the kitchen to prepare the dinner, and then later we see all the tables filled with girls gathered for dinner.

Not in "Give and Take": Mrs. Garrett calls them biscuits. "Oh, these biscuits are never going to defrost on their own". This is right before she discovers the burnt log in her oven (which is the roast being prepared for dinner).

Oh, I thought you meant the famous bun warmer scene. :blush:



I don't think that's true: we do see some evening-hour dinners, for example in "Cousin Geri". We see Howard order the girls into the kitchen to prepare the dinner, and then later we see all the tables filled with girls gathered for dinner.

Ah, a special event, yes.

Did someone say buns?

Did someone say buns?

:lol: