what does everyone think of the final season? for me i did not like it one bit. steve no longer wearing suspenders laura falling head over heels for him within just a handful of episodes. richie living in the winslow household yet only appearing in 3 episodes. mother winslow only appearing in 1 episode a new harriette whos personality didnt match jo marie payton not even 1% and Eddie becomming a cop. I mean seriously Eddie seemed way too rebellious to want to be a police officer. I did however like commishiner Guiess. He was my favorite of all Carls bosses. what are everyone elses opinions on the 9th and final season?

Yeah, it sucked that Jo Marie Payton left the show midway in the last season. While I did not mind Steve getting a makeover (it was high time he grew up anyway) and Eddie becoming a cop, I do wish Steve finally got over Laura and married Myra instead.

Season 9 had its good moments but when Jo Marie Payton left the show it just wasn't the same. That was the pin in the balloon moment for me.

It was sad to see some of the changes that came in Season 9- mainly with Jo Marie Payton leaving the show and Judyann Elder taking over as Harriette. She did well in the role, but it wasn't quite the same. Still, I'm glad they didn't have Harriette dying or Carl and Harriette getting divorced to explain her absence. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air did a similar deal when the actresses playing the mothers got changed and it worked okay for that show.
I grew up watching Family Matters from the start of the show's run and watched it all the way through- I still enjoy Season 9 as much as any of the other seasons. As I've said before, regarding Steve and Laura, I'm glad to see that they got together because it's nice to see persistence (yes- I know it could also be called stalking and I realize it was not the best method- but this is a TV show after all)- it's nice to see persistence pay off and to see the nerd get the girl for once.
(Jim Davis did a similar thing in recent years in the Garfield comic strip with Jon Arbuckle finally getting Liz as his girlfriend- after years of failed attempts.)
So yeah- it's all good. I love the series all the way through. And I'd still prefer to watch any episode anyone considers the worst ever than most any other show on network TV today.

I honestly dislike about everything that came of this season. By the end I was absolutely sick of characters getting dropped that I barely paid attention to it, then there was the whole finale.

Didn't like it.

I stopped watching I think even before the move to CBS but from what I'm reading here the changes weren't too good, sure hope MTV2 gets a chance to run these episodes to see for myself.

I won't watch after season four, so season nine doesn't exist for me.

from what i remember there was never supposed to be a season 9. A pirates life for me was supposed to be the final episode and ABC was cancelling the show due to low ratings. it was rescued by CBS along with step by step and the shows were added to a cbs friday lineup called block party. 2 brand new shows were also added. Meego and another one i cant remember. after just a few months this lineup failed miserably and was pulled. family matters was put on hiatus and didnt return until late spring. airing its final episode in july. while a pirates life for me wouldnt have been a memorable season finale. the show would have been much better off ending then instead of dragging out that horrible 9th season.

Regarding Steve and Laura, I'm glad to see that they got together because it's nice to see persistence (yes- I know it could also be called stalking and I realize it was not the best method- but this is a TV show after all)- it's nice to see persistence pay off and to see the nerd get the girl for once.



See the nerd get the girl? Steve already HAD a girl - MYRA!!

I stopped watching around 1995/1996. All the shows on TGIF were pretty much over at that time.


But I think the Christmas episode was much more "Finale" material than Urkle going into space. It had all the cast together. That's where they should have ended it.

Regarding Steve and Laura, I'm glad to see that they got together because it's nice to see persistence (yes- I know it could also be called stalking and I realize it was not the best method- but this is a TV show after all)- it's nice to see persistence pay off and to see the nerd get the girl for once.




See the nerd get the girl? Steve already HAD a girl - MYRA!!

Yes, but Myra turned out to be a slightly deranged stalker who would most likely be facing jail time if that situation was played out in real life. So Steve did well to get away from her. And in any case, he always obviously truly loved Laura the most- I don't think he ever loved Myra quite the way he loved Laura- so yes, it was nice to see the nerd get the girl- and I'm glad it was Steve and Laura together.:) :cool:

I stopped watching around 1995/1996. All the shows on TGIF were pretty much over at that time.


But I think the Christmas episode was much more "Finale" material than Urkle going into space. It had all the cast together. That's where they should have ended it.


I used to record it every friday while I was in college and my last time recording it was after the 1996-97 season

To me, it was cool to finally see Steve and Laura get together, but I did feel bad for Myra even though she knew what she had gotten herself into by going with Steve at all. I like how Eddie grew up and decided to be like his dad, but I hated to see the original Harriette go.

God bless you and her always!!! :) :) :)

Holly

To me, it was cool to finally see Steve and Laura get together, but I did feel bad for Myra even though she knew what she had gotten herself into by going with Steve at all. I like how Eddie grew up and decided to be like his dad, but I hated to see the original Harriette go.

God bless you and her always!!! :) :) :)

Holly


I don't recall Eddie being like his dad

^^^ He went on to be a cop like his dad. :) :) :)

God bless you always!!! :) :) :)

Holly

Yes, but Myra turned out to be a slightly deranged stalker who would most likely be facing jail time if that situation was played out in real life. So Steve did well to get away from her. And in any case, he always obviously truly loved Laura the most- I don't think he ever loved Myra quite the way he loved Laura- so yes, it was nice to see the nerd get the girl- and I'm glad it was Steve and Laura together.:) :cool:


Steve was equally bad by stringing Myra along for four years though, even after she clearly wasn't happy with it in season 6's "Paradise Bluff," when she demanded Urkel commit to her or it's over, and he did, but with his fingers crossed (metaphorically speaking)! Myra did not deserve to be chewed up and spit out like she was, and if she was REALLY that bad, Steve wouldn't have dated her at all.

To me, it was cool to finally see Steve and Laura get together, but I did feel bad for Myra even though she knew what she had gotten herself into by going with Steve at all. I like how Eddie grew up and decided to be like his dad, but I hated to see the original Harriette go.

God bless you and her always!!! :) :) :)

Holly

Yes, Steve DID make his intentions known to Myra that he would leave her if Laura ever loved him back, but Myra was obviously hoping that Steve would give up on Laura when he started dating her, and in real life, that's what he would have done.

Yeah, the last full run episode I saw was the season finale of season 8, and I thought that was supposed to be the series finale and it was dumb. Then I saw the show came back on CBS. But I never watched it once during its final season. I stopped watching before Myra came on. I used to watch classic Family Matters, when Steve was single and chasing after Laura. I think one of the last original episodes I saw was when Mama got married to Fletcher or the one where Steve, Waldo and Urkle decide to rent an apartment together...then I didn't watch it at all until the pirates episode. I watched it at times in 1989-1995/1996.

I agree with Rpm31. Seeing Steve dump Myra for that shallow bitch Laura was nothing but plain awful. I don't care that Myra was supposed to be deranged and clingy, she was still the best one for Steve!

LOL You could say Myra needed Steve simply because without him she's all deranged! Steve was Myra's rock.

It was sad to see some of the changes that came in Season 9- mainly with Jo Marie Payton leaving the show and Judyann Elder taking over as Harriette. She did well in the role, but it wasn't quite the same. Still, I'm glad they didn't have Harriette dying or Carl and Harriette getting divorced to explain her absence. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air did a similar deal when the actresses playing the mothers got changed and it worked okay for that show.
I grew up watching Family Matters from the start of the show's run and watched it all the way through- I still enjoy Season 9 as much as any of the other seasons. As I've said before, regarding Steve and Laura, I'm glad to see that they got together because it's nice to see persistence (yes- I know it could also be called stalking and I realize it was not the best method- but this is a TV show after all)- it's nice to see persistence pay off and to see the nerd get the girl for once.
(Jim Davis did a similar thing in recent years in the Garfield comic strip with Jon Arbuckle finally getting Liz as his girlfriend- after years of failed attempts.)
So yeah- it's all good. I love the series all the way through. And I'd still prefer to watch any episode anyone considers the worst ever than most any other show on network TV today.

This post sums up my feelings well. With the exception of 3 Season 9 episodes I haven't seen yet-hopefully it will see completion on DVD-I thought the last year was really really strong. My only gripe was Les Moonves not allowing it a real Series Finale. That cliffhanger is a terrible way to end any show let alone this one and that cliffhanger still stings 16 years later because it will most likely never been resolved..though with some of the rumblings I've read this year it's possible we may finally get that finale.

Steve getting the girl in the end was great. I disagree with that poster that said he should have given up and married Myra. Put yourself in this kid's shoes. He tries and persists for 9 long years..never deterred by the dozens of times Laura rejected him..he stayed heart set on her the entire time. I thought them ending up together was a natural end for them that took many years to get there. I won't elaborate but I can relate to his persistence personally. I damn near won the heart of a girl I'd been heart set on for a while about 10 years ago-I just wish it had ended as happily for me as it did Steve Urkel.

Judyann Elder did the best she could but I think she knew she could never replace JoMarie Payton and it really showed. She gave it a good try.

I'm so glad Reginald VelJohnson stayed the whole way through. Every interview I've seen with him he always says Family Matters is and always will be his favorite project. I get why totally and don't blame him at all.

I think Eddie becoming a cop was natural..a lot of the series he was looking for a way to make a difference and find his place. Cop was perfect for him.

I'm watching through Season 4 now and it just keeps coming back to they really don't make shows like this anymore. It was a good show but it was also the whole TGIF block experience. It was part of something bigger that will probably never happen again. It was wholesome, funny, and memorable. I enjoyed the entire ride-aside from that cliffhanger there truly wasn't a disappointing moment for me. Countless Friday nights spent with the Winslows, it's all happy memories. There's so much trash on TV now...reality, or everything ekse just isn't good. I enjoy Mike and Molly, I enjoy Big Bang Theory, 2 1/2 Men, and Anger Management. Even at their best, none of those shows is at the level family matters or any of the other TGIF shows were at their peak. None of them. TV needs a Family Matters right now pretty badly. I just hope Paul Lee will take advantage of the several offers being thrown at him lately..he won't get another chance at the rumblings I've read and I just hope he says yes to them. Outstanding show though, will forever be one of my personal favorites.

from what i remember there was never supposed to be a season 9. A pirates life for me was supposed to be the final episode and ABC was cancelling the show due to low ratings. it was rescued by CBS along with step by step and the shows were added to a cbs friday lineup called block party. 2 brand new shows were also added. Meego and another one i cant remember. after just a few months this lineup failed miserably and was pulled. family matters was put on hiatus and didnt return until late spring. airing its final episode in july. while a pirates life for me wouldnt have been a memorable season finale. the show would have been much better off ending then instead of dragging out that horrible 9th season.

The fourth show that was part of the CBS Friday Night Block Party was The Gregory Hines Show, which was actually a really fun little show from what I can remember of it. I'm really glad Gregory got to do that for us before passing away. He seemed to really enjoy it.

You're partially correct on how that one year of Block Party played out. All 4 shows premiered together the same Friday Night in September '97. About a month in, Meego and Gregory Hines crashed hard and they were done. Family Matters and Step By Step were put on hiatus-they came back one Friday that December for the Christmas episodes then went back into hiatus until early June. Those shows 4 final episodes aired through to the beginning of July when they both ended. On paper the Block Party shoulda been a hit..I'll say this..pretty much the entire summer of '97 CBS advertised the block heavily. They advertised the crap outta it through September. Even after the long hiatus, when FM and SBS came back in the Spring they were heavily advertising them both through May and June. I think Les really wanted the shows to get renewed and tried his damnedest but it just wasn't happening :( advertising wise Les and the team did that part completely right. Meego crashed because I think everyone wanted to see Balki again, not an alien. I wish to God Gregory Hines had lasted a while-again really great little show that deserved a better chance.

Had CBS picked up FM and SBS at the height of their popularity, there's no damn question in my mind that Block Party woulda gone on for several very good years. It was just..everyone had grown up by then. I wish it had done better..the concept, execution were both dead on the bulls eye and should have done well. That year was my Senior year of high school so I didn't get to see much if either show that year. I wish I had been able to I really do. I saw most of both shows last season only just a few years ago and some episodes were missing :(

Steve getting the girl in the end was great. I disagree with that poster that said he should have given up and married Myra. Put yourself in this kid's shoes. He tries and persists for 9 long years..never deterred by the dozens of times Laura rejected him..he stayed heart set on her the entire time. I thought them ending up together was a natural end for them that took many years to get there. I won't elaborate but I can relate to his persistence personally. I damn near won the heart of a girl I'd been heart set on for a while about 10 years ago-I just wish it had ended as happily for me as it did Steve Urkel.
That's how the writers wanted us to think, but...

1: Laura wasn't really worth all of that persistent "love" from Steve. She pretty much hated him in the beginning, and he should have given up on her already after she made him eat playdough in Kindergarten. I know she became friendlier with him as the years went by, but that is also how they have ended up: friends.

2: Steve had already had a steady girlfriend for the last four seasons, whom he always had planned to dump as soon as Laura waved her bitchy fingers at him. We were supposed to believe that Myra was deranged and didn't deserve to be with Steve. But still, my sympathy was always with her, because she had loved him when nobody else did. And even though Steve showed some remorse about breaking up with Myra, he still did it, and she didn't really lose it until after that had happened.

That's how the writers wanted us to think, but...

1: Laura wasn't really worth all of that persistent "love" from Steve. She pretty much hated him in the beginning, and he should have given up on her already after she made him eat playdough in Kindergarten. I know she became friendlier with him as the years went by, but that is also how they have ended up: friends.

2: Steve had already had a steady girlfriend for the last four seasons, whom he always had planned to dump as soon as Laura waved her bitchy fingers at him. We were supposed to believe that Myra was deranged and didn't deserve to be with Steve. But still, my sympathy was always with her, because she had loved him when nobody else did. And even though Steve showed some remorse about breaking up with Myra, he still did it, and she didn't really lose it until after that had happened.

You know, I finished up Season 4 last night and I really "saw" something for the first time in one of the episodes in particular. Laura really, truly hated Steve Urkel. She was repulsed by and hated every inch of him. I feel very sorry for Steve's character. The other Winslow family members tolerated Steve to different extents, the only one who really sincerely liked him was Estelle. What did Laura expect was going to happen-after really treating him like utter trash once he met Myra, who really did like and accept him for who he was? Like Steve said to Laura "coulda been you, baby!" if she'd treated him better. If it were me, at that point I'd say adios to Laura and would have stayed with Myra. The whole way through the series he was too obsessed with her for his own good though. Like I said I finally "saw" what you mean last night. It's easier to see this stuff when we're fully grown and harder to when we were kids watching the show growing up.

The actress that played Myra was a truly beautiful girl, very talented actress. She passed away entirely too young :( Any self respecting guy would want to be with a girl like that in real life-that accepts him and loves him for who he is. At that point the obsession should disappear but for Steve it didn't.

I had a crush on a girl through a lot of grade school..nowhere near the extent Steve was with Laura..but last night I looked at how Laura really felt and I'm left feeling very sorry for the times I did embarrass myself in front of that girl. Young and stupid is what I'll chalk that up to.

Can't believe the series has been gone 16 years already..it's passed by almost literally in the blink of an eye..really scary :( where did all that time go? I'll be 36 in December so it just makes that much time having passed scarier :p

Well, I'm glad you have finally seen how wrong those writers were. :)

Well, I'm glad you have finally seen how wrong those writers were. :)

I did :) Despite having seen it, it doesn't affect my opinion of the show. It's one of my very favorite shows-usually up near the very top of my favorite shows list, which is almost impossible fir me to actually rank so when people ask I just give them a list in no particular order or ranking of the 5 to 10 shows I consider my favorites. I've been fortunate enough to get to see almost all of the multi-cam sitcoms I wanted to, I have just 5 complete series left to go..if I add any more it will be WKRP in Cincinnati and maybe 3's Company but I'm almost through everything I wanted to see. That took 3 to 4 years and probably...close to 15 or so series.

I really hope Family Matters gets completed on DVD. If it doesn't it'll be a crime given some of the other shows that have been released and completed. We're almost halfway home but it's taking entirely too long to complete. I hope Warner will start getting it out faster and finish it-nasty cliffhanger and all. The last season should be an easier release, I think the last year had just 18 episodes.

Edit- I'll be damned!!! Family Matters got a full 22 episode season it's last season. Wow I swore it got only 18 episodes! Step By Step is the one that had closer to 18 or 19 that last year. I felt that more accurate correction was badly needed. Sorry everyone!

They say the best shows have one too many seasons, well FM had two too many. Season 8 seemed like a bad season (Jaleel getting older, Waldo gone, too much Stefan/sci fi episodes), but season 9 was a lot worse. That was one of CBS's dumbest moves to renew that/SBS for one more season. If it failed on ABC, why do they think it would succeed with them?

Many people will complain about the "sci-fi episodes". But I was never bothered by them. And I would gladly have Steve make ten new inventions in every episode, if he only had ended up with Myra.

Many people will complain about the "sci-fi episodes". But I was never bothered by them. And I would gladly have Steve make ten new inventions in every episode, if he only had ended up with Myra.
Furienna, why do you hate Laura so much?

Well, this is how I answered a similar question on the IMDB message board.

She was supposed to be the perfect girl, both good-looking and a brilliant student, who was every guy's wet dream. But to me, she just comes across as a shallow bitch, who stands for everything that I reject. And it makes no sense that all these guys had the hots for her snooty ***, as she never even was the prettiest girl on the show. I say I'm more like Myra personality-wise, as I would prefer a nerd instead of the suave jock type, that Laura seemed to prefer. So I have a hard time relating to her.

I say the only episode, where I do like Laura, is the one where she fights for Black History at her school. And I guess there are are some more episodes too, where I can say that she does a good thing (like the one where she dumps a guy, who refused to let her even speak to Steve). But in most episodes, I have no idea why I'm supposed to like her. And that makes me so angry when I watch some episodes, like the one where Laura and Myra compete for a job at this store. Those just shows us how much the writers wanted us to prefer Laura over Myra, and I don't like it.

It wasn't Laura's fault that she was popular and all the guys thought she was good-looking. She was never vain about it nor did she rub it in anyone's face. In fact, she was kind of insecure about her looks as shown a couple times during the series. How do you feel she was a shallow, stuck-up bitch? While she was very shallow in seasons 1-3, you have to keep in mind, she was a young teenage girl. After season 3, she became nicer to Steve except for a few select bitchy moments. I saw Laura as a realistic, flawed character, the same as Myra, who was very possessive of Steve and very jealous.

Like I said, I guess I just can't relate to her character. And even if it "wasn't her fault" that she was so popular, she sure enjoyed it. They might have turned her into a nicer person as the years went by, but she would never lose that shallow stuck-up attitude of hers. Just remember how she suddenly fell in love with Steve when he started "improving himself".

I understand what you mean when you say that it was hard to swallow that Laura was this perfect, to-die-for girl that everyone was head over heels in love with. I agree with you on that point. I thought Laura was smart and pretty, but not so stunningly pretty that every boy in the school liked her. But just because she doesn't live up to this ideal that the series paints her in is no reason to decide that she's a bitch.

How does Laura liking Steve in season 9 make her shallow? If I recall, Steve's personality did not change in the ninth season. He just stopped wearing suspenders, grew up a little bit and became less clumsy. But his actual personality was the same. He was the still the same old, cheese loving, polka loving nerd. While I hate the whole Laura's-in-love-with-Steve-out-of-nowhere plotline in season 9, it's clear that the reason she started liking him was because he became less annoying and bothersome of her. Would you return feelings for a guy who drove away every boy you ever liked or who came over to your house every day unwelcome and regularly destroyed your property and harassed your family members? Don't get me wrong, I love Steve to death, but he was a pest. I also think you're painting Myra out to be perfect. Myra was just as bad as Laura. She wanted to move their relationship too fast and sexually assaulted him at times, which is stuff even Steve never did to Laura. She was jealous, clingy and possessive, even before it was taken to new heights in the ninth season. It sounds to me like you're just upset with the writers for butchering Myra's character and having Steve choose Laura, so you're making Laura seem like this evil girl who treated Steve horribly and making Myra seem like the perfect girl who could do wrong.

I understand what you mean when you say that it was hard to swallow that Laura was this perfect, to-die-for girl that everyone was head over heels in love with. I agree with you on that point. I thought Laura was smart and pretty, but not so stunningly pretty that every boy in the school liked her. But just because she doesn't live up to this ideal that the series paints her in is no reason to decide that she's a bitch.
She still was a bitch though.

How does Laura liking Steve in season 9 make her shallow? If I recall, Steve's personality did not change in the ninth season. He just stopped wearing suspenders, grew up a little bit and became less clumsy. But his actual personality was the same. He was the still the same old, cheese loving, polka loving nerd.
Not that I've watched that season that meticulously, but I seem to remember that Steve tried to tone down the more "geeky" sides of his personality. And if you notice, it is only then that shallow Laura decides to throw him a bone.

Would you return feelings for a guy who drove away every boy you ever liked...
You seem to forget that these boys usually were real jerks, who only were out to take advantage of her or cheated on her.

... or who came over to your house every day unwelcome and regularly destroyed your property and harassed your family members?
Don't forget that in the end, the Winslows actually learned to like Steve. Which is more than what can be said about his own parents.

I also think you're painting Myra out to be perfect. Myra was just as bad as Laura. She wanted to move their relationship too fast and sexually assaulted him at times, which is stuff even Steve never did to Laura. She was jealous, clingy and possessive, even before it was taken to new heights in the ninth season.
I never said that Myra was perfect, but she mostly was a better match for Steve than what Laura ever could be. The writers could so easily have let her work on her bad sides instead of making them worse and let her and Steve still be together. But no, they just had to suddenly hook him up with Laura. So they just turned Myra into a crazy stalker, so all the viewers had to understand how right Steve's decision was. :rolleyes:

It sounds to me like you're just upset with the writers for butchering Myra's character and having Steve choose Laura, so you're making Laura seem like this evil girl who treated Steve horribly and making Myra seem like the perfect girl who could do wrong.
No, but it seems like the writers of this show did the exact opposite of what you acusse me of. They always portrayed Laura as the perfect good girl, while Myra got stuck being "the sick puppy".

HOW was Laura a shallow bitch? Please give me an example. You keep calling her a bitch but you never give an example. The only way I see Laura as being shallow is preferring Stefan over Steve simply because of his good looks, but she learned her lesson about that in Dr. Urkel & Mr. Cool and started liking Stefan for real after his personality improved. If you can still call her shallow for liking Stefan still, then you have to call everyone else shallow because they all preferred Stefan to Steve, except for Myra, who liked Steve more because he was her boyfriend.

Yes, most of Laura's boyfriends were jerks, but they could have been the nicest guys in the world and Steve STILL would have drove them away!

Yes, the Winslows grew to like him but he still harassed them and destroyed the property every other episode and they were definitely annoyed by him. Like I've said, Steve and Laura became friends eventually but she couldn't stand him early on MOSTLY because he harassed her and her family and destroyed their house all the time. I'm not saying Steve intended to annoy them or intently stalked them, but he sure did know that they didn't like them.

I don't remember Steve ever toning his geekiness, but again, I haven't seen the full season 9 episodes in awhile so you're probably right. But I recall Steve changing his looks because he was in a rut and felt he needed a change, not to impress Laura. He still, for the main part, had his personality. It was that kiss with Laura in the season 9 premiere that made her realize how much he'd grown up and that's what started her attraction to him. Plus, she went with him to a Polka fest in Polkapalooza and enjoyed herself and had a good time, that place is full of geeks, and if you could still call her a shallow bitch after that, then you truly are biased against her.

I know the show tried to make Laura this perfect girl and that wasn't right as they never elaborated on why she was so perfect. Same way you're not elaborating on how Laura was a shallow bitch. I feel like you were snubbed by or made to feel inferior by a girl like Laura, so you're bitter about it and attacking the character for problems with the show that were the writers' faults, not Laura, the actual character. Laura didn't force Steve to love her or choose her during the ninth season, nor did she force him to dump Myra, in fact she persuaded him to do the opposite in earlier seasons.

You've been putting yourself in Steve's shoes and Myra's shoes (never mind that Myra was still crazy and possessive of Steve long before the destruction of her character in season 9 and physically harassed him, something that even Steve never did to Laura), but not in Laura's shoes. The way you talk about Laura is if she's Cassie Lynn Nubbles.

I like Laura, Myra and Steve and I am willing to admit all of the characters' faults. There's nothing with you disliking Laura. You are entitled to you opinion, but you seem to hate the character for no good reason and call her a shallow bitch simply because you're bitter about the fact that the writers had Steve choose her instead of Myra.

Yes, I am bitter that the writers had Steve prefer Laura over Myra. And I have felt that way for eighteen years. It has nothing to do with anything personal in my life, but I always felt that it was the wrong way to go. So you can just stop defending Laura, because you will never change my mind about her anyway. And in my opinion, she hardly is better than Cassie Lynn Nubbles, no matter how much the writers wanted us to believe so (and they managed to convince you, I notice). I have already explained to you in what ways Laura was shallow (she would always want to be popular, she only gave handsome guys a chance, she only started "loving" Steve when he changed his looks). So I don't more what more I can tell you...

I'm not trying to change your mind. If you dislike Laura, there's nothing wrong with that, but you're vilifying her for no good reason. If you're bitter about Steve choosing Laura, then attack Steve. Laura didn't force him to choose her.

For the record, the only thing Steve did to change his looks was get rid of his suspenders. And his looks weren't the only thing that made Laura like him. If Laura was SO shallow, then why did she agree to go on a pity date with Waldo if she was so worried about being popular and having a cool boyfriend? I'm not brainwashed by the writers. Laura could be a shallow sometimes and she could a be a bit of a bitch sometimes, but she usually learned her lesson and saw the error of her ways, unlike Myra who harassed Laura and Steve all the time and usually put her happiness ahead of his, and she never saw the error of her ways.

I'm one of those people who believe when a star of the show departs then the show should just end.

Oh, and you felt that Harriette was the star?

^^^ I don't know if the person you are talking to there thinks that Harriette was the star of the show, but I do know that they said "When a star leaves the show, it should end." not "When the star leaves, the show should end." meaning they think that the show should end if one of the main actors or actresses leaves no matter if they are the star of the show or not.

God bless you and them always!!! :) :) :)

Holly

You know, I finished up Season 4 last night and I really "saw" something for the first time in one of the episodes in particular. Laura really, truly hated Steve Urkel. She was repulsed by and hated every inch of him. I feel very sorry for Steve's character. The other Winslow family members tolerated Steve to different extents, the only one who really sincerely liked him was Estelle. What did Laura expect was going to happen-after really treating him like utter trash once he met Myra, who really did like and accept him for who he was? Like Steve said to Laura "coulda been you, baby!" if she'd treated him better. If it were me, at that point I'd say adios to Laura and would have stayed with Myra. The whole way through the series he was too obsessed with her for his own good though. Like I said I finally "saw" what you mean last night. It's easier to see this stuff when we're fully grown and harder to when we were kids watching the show growing up.

The actress that played Myra was a truly beautiful girl, very talented actress. She passed away entirely too young :( Any self respecting guy would want to be with a girl like that in real life-that accepts him and loves him for who he is. At that point the obsession should disappear but for Steve it didn't.

I had a crush on a girl through a lot of grade school..nowhere near the extent Steve was with Laura..but last night I looked at how Laura really felt and I'm left feeling very sorry for the times I did embarrass myself in front of that girl. Young and stupid is what I'll chalk that up to.

Can't believe the series has been gone 16 years already..it's passed by almost literally in the blink of an eye..really scary :( where did all that time go? I'll be 36 in December so it just makes that much time having passed scarier :p

Laura was pretty too and I'm tired of Myra stans acting like Laura was hideous. Let's not forget that Myra lost interest in Urkel when he was maturing and growing up in the later season.

Laura was pretty too and I'm tired of Myra stans acting like Laura was hideous. Let's not forget that Myra lost interest in Urkel when he was maturing and growing up in the later season.
I never said that Laura was hideous, but her bitchy attitude made her less attractive.

Myra didn't lose interest in Steve, but she didn't want him to change.
She loved him for who he really was!