After a month of me talking about how I liked Steve and Laura together, I've come to the realization that Furienna, Neutron, and RPM is right. Myra will be a better suit for Steve because she was always there for Steve. She accepted him for who he was and they both like the same things. I did some research about femininity, and Myra fits that criteria. I used to fight tooth and nail for Steve and Laura, but when I look at the aspect of it, I noticed that these three people are right. I guess because I'm a dark brown skinned black woman, and she reminds me of myself that I fought for her because I have the same skin tone and facial features as she does, and I felt rejected when people rejected Laura because we live in a society where any woman that's close to a Euro beauty standard is considered beautiful.


Laura is attractive, but she did have a masculine bitchy attitude who was very mean to Steve when Steve showed her affection even though a lot of guys that she sees as attractive, muscular, and popular in school only wanted to have sex with her. Steve was always there for her but she keeps rejecting him over and over and over again. What man will put up with that in real life. If it was real life, Steve would've left Laura alone before middle school. Laura is everything that I don't want to be as a black woman as far as her attitude and her stuck-up demeanor. It's not attractive. It's funny how it took Myra to really appreciate Steve because before Myra came into the picture, she wasn't even thinking about him. And furthermore, Laura didn't do anything to deserve his love in the first place. The more I watch these episodes, the more I realize that what the hell does Steve see in Laura when he has Myra, a beautiful petite feminine woman who will DIE to be with him. If it was real life, Steve would married Myra instead of Laura. I think that their relationship was forced because of the fact that they're been around each other for 9 years, but that's not reality. If someone doesn't want you, LEAVE!!! Why do you have to keep coming back and keep coming back if the person doesn't want you? It doesn't make any sense. Myra and Laura are both attractive women, but if I have to chose as far as who I want to be like, I'm sorry, I will choose Myra. I like her bubbly attitude. And even though she can be a little possessive, she's possessive about Steve, and rightfully so.

When I was doing some research on how to attract a quality man, and it was saying that in order to get a quality man, a woman has to be feminine in everything, the way she looks and the way she acts. The two have to work together. You can't expect a man to want you if you have a nasty attitude who thinks that you're all that.


In conclusion, I just want to apologize to a lot of people that I offend. Furienna, RPM, and Neutron, I'm sorry.


Here's the video of what I'm talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gehKvjXkwCc

The conclusions you have arrived at concerning Laura are things that many people have felt about her all along. In fact, in an effort to keep the peace and get along with you, I pretended that I thought Laura was a better match for Steve than Myra was. Some people take it personally when others disagree with something they feel strongly about, so I didn't want to take the chance that you might be that type of person, so I agreed to keep the peace and stay on a friendlier side. I'd hate it if it had gotten to the point where every time you saw a posting of mine you would think," Oh, there's that jerk that doesn't like Laura."

Well, not anymore. When I watched those episodes of Family Matters, and I reflect back on what you guys said, you were right. Laura was a stuck-up, ghetto-acting, sassy, shallow bitch. I can't believe that Steve left Myra for her. Now don't get me wrong, she's attractive, but she doesn't look better than Myra I tell you that. I have to sit back and reflect back in the 90s like why the HELL did he leave Myra for Laura when Laura didn't do **** to earn Steve's love and trust?

It would have been more fitting for Steve to tell Laura off that she had her chance, but she's too late, even as early as the season four closer!

Exactly. He should've forget about stuck up ass Laura the moment he went steady with Myra. Myra was the best fit for him. I just can't understand why he will leave Myra for Laura when Laura didn't do anything to earn Steve's love and affection. She's pushy, she's shallow, she's mean. When I watch those episodes again, I have to think to myself like "Hmmm, Myra is a better fit for Steve". I guess because I'm so used to seeing Steve and Laura together that I hope they get married, but when I see how she treated Steve even though he was there for her, treat her good, cook her food, and everything, I was like, "He should've married Myra Monkhouse". I just don't get it. Why would you want to go back to the woman that didn't want you in the first place? It doesn't make any sense to me.

I think that's a bit unfair to Laura, as she did do a number of kind things for Steve. However, keep in mind that Steve Urkel also came over uninvited numerous times to the Winslow house (despite repeated protestations and exhortations for him to leave) and he repeatedly sought Laura's affections after she shut him down numerous times. (So, yes- she was mean to him a number of times- and she apologized a number of times too. But it almost always was not unprovoked- even though provocation does not justify retaliation in meanness.) It's funny on a sitcom to watch his repeated efforts to win her affections, but in real life- when a girl plainly tells a guy that she's not interested, he needs to back off. Otherwise, the guy just comes off as a stalker.
Speaking of stalkers, Myra would definitely fit in that category as she was spying on Steve just about to the levels of the NSA. I do believe he probably could have pressed charges against her in some cases.
I like Steve and Laura together as a couple mainly because it's nice to see the nerd get the girl for once. But realistically, I know that the actions of all three would not really fly. But then again- it's a TV show and a sitcom at that. It's just meant to make you laugh- which it does for me- and maybe sometimes even have a deeper meaning to make you think- which it does for me at times too. And overall I think it has good and positive messages and told in a clean way generally- so I like "Family Matters" for that.
People can disagree with me and that's fine, but I don't really care to debate about the romantic pairings of fictional characters beyond that. (So for all the Steve and Laura fans out there and the Steve and Myra fans, etc.- I'm cool with everyone- it's all good.:) :cool: )

I know she did a lot for Steve, but I think Steve and Laura are better being just friends. Myra is a better woman for him Steve as far as dating and marriage. Laura is not a good woman for him at all. He deserve so much better. They have nothing in common. The writers force that relationship at the last minute trying to make it seem like Laura is the winner when this woman didn't want to have anything to do with him. In real life, Steve would've left her ass out in the cold and marry Myra.

Not to mention, Myra only stalked Steve for his own good. Steve was hell bent on trying to get Laura to love him back, even though she was not the right woman for him, and Myra knew this, and the only chance she had at getting Steve to forget Laura was to keep trying to change his mind. It was no different from Steve stalking Laura for her own good (in most cases), as most of the guys Laura dated were real jerks to her. In fact, there's a happy Steve/Myra fan fiction story where Steve's heart finally DOES decide it belongs to Myra, even though it took place after Steve and Laura's first official date at Amore's.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4710466/1/A-Change-of-Heart

Not to mention, Myra only stalked Steve for his own good.

Have to disagree on that one- try using that excuse with the cops and judge... I don't think they're going to go along with that one...;)

Ok, maybe it's wrong for Myra to stalk him, but you have to admit, Myra did love Steve for who he was, and nobody is going to deny that. The only thing Myra have to do is to take away the stalking, and I think that the only way for Myra to stop the stalking is to stay with Steve. When Myra was with Steve, she act normal. She wasn't a stalker. She was the same way as she was on Season 4. I used to think like you as far as Steve and Laura, but when I start watching the Family Matters episodes again, I see what a lot of people on YouTube, IMDB, and Sitcomsonline are talking about. Laura was a shallow, ghetto-acting, neck-rolling, finger snapping, mean woman, and if I was Steve, I will leave her alone forever. On Season 5 when Steve accidentally drop a tray of milkshake on Laura, Laura asked Steve why is he the way he is, and why can't you change yourself, and that's when he became Stephan Urquelle which is dumb because I feel like Steve was perfect the way he was. He can make some adjustments as far as not being clumsy, but that's about it. It's not like he's a bad person.

I do think Myra was enamored with Steve and loved him for who he was- I certainly agree there. But it was an obsessive passion and she definitely needed to get help there. (i.e. knock off the stalking.)
That's fine if you dislike Laura- I still don't think she was quite as bad as all that, but yes- she was certainly not very nice to Steve a lot of the time. I wouldn't say Steve was blameless either though. There were faults to go around for everyone.
As far as the plot device regarding the creation of Stefan Urquelle- that's just what it was- a plot device. But yeah- obviously it was incredibly hurtful to Steve for Laura to say that. (Of course, to give her the benefit of the doubt- maybe she meant it as constructive criticism. For instance, it may be painful to hear sometimes, but it is good to hear how others perceive you and to hear places where you could do things to improve your standing without compromising who you are as a person.)
I didn't realize there was such a fanbase out there for the Steve & Laura and Steve & Myra factions and such. Like I said earlier, I'm cool with either one. At some point, we do have to remember it's just a TV show after all- so no need to argue about it. [Not trying to say anyone has been doing that though.] (And respectful debate is always welcome though of course.):) :cool:

I guess we have to agree to disagree. Laura is not real bad, but she's a better fit as Steve's FRIEND, not his WIFE. I don't hate Laura, but I hate Laura's persona and how she treated Steve. Laura may not be a stalker, but she's still not a good fit for Steve. Steve and Myra is a better fit.

Exactly. Steve had to work really hard just to get Laura (and Eddie, for that matter) to even appreciate him as a friend, and he really didn't get her respect until after the first time he told her off in season 5's "It Didn't Happen One Night."

Yeah. but I still think that she's better off as a friend. If only he can get over this ridiculous crush on Laura and move on with Myra PERMANENTLY. It's a shame that it took Myra for Laura to appreciate what kind of man he is.

I know! Even after Steve and Laura were engaged, part of Steve still (legitimately) feared Laura would change her mind about marrying him, as he mentioned in the first half of the series finale.

Have to disagree on that one- try using that excuse with the cops and judge... I don't think they're going to go along with that one...;)

Co-signed! :lol: Plus, we ought to keep in mind that Myra stalked him plenty of times when he wasn't even around Laura. For example, she painted a nude portrait of him while he was "alone" in his bedroom :eek4:

Still, Steve pretty much stalked and harassed Laura for years before he met Myra. Steve choosing Laura over Myra just because Myra was a stalker was kind of hypocritical.

PREACH!!!!! It's like it's ok for Steve to stalk Laura, but Myra stalking Steve, it's wrong right? I think that it was hypocritical. I still think that by the concept the this whole thing, Steve should've chose Myra over Laura. If Laura can get Steve even though he stalk her, then what's wrong with Myra getting Steve after she stalk him? Is it because she's a woman? Kind of sexist, don't you think?

Still, Steve pretty much stalked and harassed Laura for years before he met Myra. Steve choosing Laura over Myra just because Myra was a stalker was kind of hypocritical.


PREACH!!!!! It's like it's ok for Steve to stalk Laura, but Myra stalking Steve, it's wrong right? I think that it was hypocritical. I still think that by the concept the this whole thing, Steve should've chose Myra over Laura. If Laura can get Steve even though he stalk her, then what's wrong with Myra getting Steve after she stalk him? Is it because she's a woman? Kind of sexist, don't you think?



With all due respect, I never stated that Steve wasn't guilty as well. Trust me, I've never been a "shipper," and I'm one of the most unbiased people you'll encounter. I simply agreed with what I'd originally quoted because most make Myra out to be an angel and Laura the She-Devil (which Myra actually called her a few times. Lmao.) It's just important to remember the facts!

Moreover, your reasoning exemplifies why I think it's silly (to write the least) when people accuse Laura of being this, that and the other..."bitch" being the collective favorite. Um, Laura had her moments of shallowness, but she always acknowledged the error of her ways. She handled Steve's stalking better than 99.9% of others would -- especially considering how many times he destroyed her property (house and possessions).

Besides, while Steve might have had a huge heart, many rather conveniently forget that he's quite shallow in some ways, too. He pursued Laura because he loved her strength and inner beauty as much as her outer beauty, but I doubt he'd be interested in her if she looked the way she did in season four's Christmas special where she's basically a female version of him. I strongly dislike it when people depict the "popular" person that the "geek/nerd" lusts after as shallow, but don't consider the same for said admirer.

It also seems to me that certain fans are disgusted by Laura because of their blinding love for Steve. Although Steve is shown to be shallow on many occasions, they're eager to dismiss those moments because they feel he deserves it due to the ridicule he's endured. For example, he kept reminding Myra that he'd readily leave her if Laura ever changed her mind, openly spoke of other girls he found attractive outside of each (even while Myra was in the Winslow's kitchen like in the episode where they'd double-dated with Eddie), continued to ask Laura out while they were dating, etc.

However, I think the best argument to illustrate that Laura and Steve were equally shallow would be the ending scene of the Senior Prom episode aka "Dream Date". Please keep in mind that I'm currently watching the series in order and that's the latest episode I've watched. Now, to be honest, I think it would have been very touching had there not been a long, passionate kiss; that ruined it for me.

If Laura had given him a peck on the cheek and/or slow danced following her sweet confession, I think we'd all consider that perfectly acceptable, but the real version is extremely disrespectful because Laura and Steve knew how much Myra cared for him. (I'm indifferent toward Curtis so far, but that certainly wasn't fair to him either.) It made me think of poor Myra who'd probably been looking forward to that one night ever since she'd met Steve, feeling miserable and alone inside her Urkel-furnished room, and Curtis grieving his recently deceased grandmother.

Ultimately, I don't really know how I feel about Steve choosing Laura instead because even if I hardly invest much into fictitious relationships, it still makes me sad that he strung her along all that time in spite of the fact that she let him. Plus, it would have been nice to see Michelle Thomas' character receive a happy ending before she met her untimely demise. The vibes I receive from people are usually accurate, and I believe she was an exceedingly lovely young lady :(

That's right! What's with these simps praising Laura like she deserves it? It's not like she deserve anything to receive this much praise. If I was a man, and I was rejected by a female over and over and over and over and over, I will be over that bitch. I be like "**** you bitch, I'll find somebody better than you". I don't understand why people like Steve passed up on a gorgeous, feminine, elegant, sweet, bubbly, perky woman like Myra for a stuck-up bitch like Laura. If I was Myra, I will be angry my damn self if I find out my boyfriend is lusting after a woman who wouldn't know a good man if he falls on her lap. Myrtle was the only smart character because she realize that there's nothing that she can do to change Eddie's mind, and Eddie is still going to be with Greta. She's smart enough to move on. Not Steve. Steve is such a damn simp.

Yeah, even if Laura did marry Steve, there's a good chance she may have divorced him by now.

That's right! What's with these simps praising Laura like she deserves it? It's not like she deserve anything to receive this much praise. If I was a man, and I was rejected by a female over and over and over and over and over, I will be over that bitch. I be like "**** you bitch, I'll find somebody better than you". I don't understand why people like Steve passed up on a gorgeous, feminine, elegant, sweet, bubbly, perky woman like Myra for a stuck-up bitch like Laura. If I was Myra, I will be angry my damn self if I find out my boyfriend is lusting after a woman who wouldn't know a good man if he falls on her lap. Myrtle was the only smart character because she realize that there's nothing that she can do to change Eddie's mind, and Eddie is still going to be with Greta. She's smart enough to move on. Not Steve. Steve is such a damn simp.


All I know is that, aside from Nick Niedermeyer, the bullies that made one-time appearances and Urkel's cruel parents, no character on FM deserves hatred. No matter how people feel about the deteriorated storylines, mysterious disappearances and replacements, etc. each character made the show great through sharing sweet moments in between personal lapses in judgement...even though they kept most of their flaws, they managed to grow in other ways :)

I don't think any of them were bitchy -- they're all my kind o' crazy :crazy: :lol: I am surprised nobody's mentioned Harriet's abrasiveness so far, but I'd still enjoy kickin' it with her! She proved herself to be a pleasant person underneath that tough exterior. Myrtle the Southern Belle did seem to have the most common sense (out of the young adults) in the long run, and that's sayin' somethin' ;)

Yeah, even if Laura did marry Steve, there's a good chance she may have divorced him by now.


Based on all the backlash I've read over Steve and Laura's engagement, I believe that if Michelle Thomas were still alive, and they filmed a reunion special, they might've even gone that route :lookaroun

Pagemaster, Laura can be a bitch, especially when Maxine was trying to warn her about Daniel Wllace, she didn't want to listen because she was so blinded by the way he looks. You have Steve, who loves you unconditionally, but you treat him like crap and rejected him a thousand times, and it wasn't until he hooked up with Myra that you appreciated him. That's when you started fallen in love with him at the last damn minute when the show was almost over when he had somebody else. If that's some devious ****, I don't know what is. Trust me, Pagemaster, I used to be like you. I used to offend Steve and Laura until the end, but when I started re-watching these episodes again, I understand why a lot of people hated that union. It's more Steve and Myra fans than Steve and Laura. I tried to search within the internet to see if there were any Steve and Laura fans, and trust me, there's few of them. Most people hated the Steve and Laura union because Laura wasn't the right woman for him, and Steve is not Laura's type. Let's be honest here.

Pagemaster, Laura can be a bitch, especially when Maxine was trying to warn her about Daniel Wllace, she didn't want to listen because she was so blinded by the way he looks. You have Steve, who loves you unconditionally, but you treat him like crap and rejected him a thousand times, and it wasn't until he hooked up with Myra that you appreciated him. That's when you started fallen in love with him at the last damn minute when the show was almost over when he had somebody else. If that's some devious ****, I don't know what is. Trust me, Pagemaster, I used to be like you. I used to offend Steve and Laura until the end, but when I started re-watching these episodes again, I understand why a lot of people hated that union. It's more Steve and Myra fans than Steve and Laura. I tried to search within the internet to see if there were any Steve and Laura fans, and trust me, there's few of them. Most people hated the Steve and Laura union because Laura wasn't the right woman for him, and Steve is not Laura's type. Let's be honest here.


Okay, I think this is the last post I'll contribute toward this thread because I've already made it clear that I'm not a "shipper". While I don't criticize anyone who is, I prefer to focus on familial relationships and friendships. I neither stated I agreed nor disagreed with their union. If anything, like I stated in my last paragraph, the selfishness Myra endured for five years combined with Michelle Thomas' passing kinda makes me wish we could've seen Myra have the happy ending instead, but I can't say Laura and Steve's union necessarily displeases me. As the old addage goes, it is what it is...*shrugs*

Obviously the writers chose what they thought would be the best conclusion because the final season's concept included Myra making unsuccessful attempts to sabotage their union and ultimately falling in love with another man. Whether or not most fans preferred this pairing at the time, only to realize they didn't during re-runs, I'll never know because I hadn't even turned seven when FM ended :lol:

ETA: Naturally everyone's entitled to their own opinion(s), but I think most fail to recognize that you can be a fan of one character or an entire cluster without bashing others. You dislike Laura? Okay, I'll agree to disagree, but to call her a bitch is harsh. Personally, I've enjoyed each FM character, but some more than others. I consider Laura, Steve, and Myra equally likeable for different reasons. The bigger issue here is that Urkel Stans and/or shippers tend to attack Laura or Myra's persona without faulting Steve in the least. You'd like to discuss sexism? There it is!

Still, Steve pretty much stalked and harassed Laura for years before he met Myra. Steve choosing Laura over Myra just because Myra was a stalker was kind of hypocritical.

That is a good point- I do agree there. But I don't think the only reason Steve left Myra is because of her stalkerish behavior. (And to be fair, yes, Steve harassed Laura and was constantly stalkerish toward her as well.) However, I don't think Steve ever went to the lengths that Myra did.
But yes- in reality, both are in the wrong over that. As I said before, in real life, Steve should have backed off when Laura repeatedly told him she wasn't interested. And Myra should have backed off when Steve told her he wasn't interested. (Though I don't think Steve ever quite got to that point.)
The main reason that Steve broke it off with Myra, from what I remember, is because he was still madly in love with Laura. And it wasn't fair to Myra to keep going with her when he was really desiring after Laura.
Of course, in the end, it's just a TV show after all.
I know people obviously have some strong feelings on this, but that's my take on it anyway.

The truth is Myra was a better fit for Steve that Laura, and I'm pretty sure that most people in here will agree with me.

I find it disturbing that on Fanfiction.net, there's only two stories where Steve chooses Myra over Laura (and in one of them, Laura had to give him one last push after Steve slept with Myra, because even after that, he still 'fessed to Laura that he felt bad for that because part of him still loved Laura, but then Laura told him off once and for all that she continually rejects him and it's ridiculous that Steve still thinks of her even when sleeping with his girlfriend; Steve then FINALLY gives Laura up for Myra), yet there's four or five stories where Steve and Laura marry.

I guess it's because Myra was not as popular as Laura, and also, Laura is one of the main characters of the show, and she's been in there longer than Myra. I wish Myra was at least, the cousin of the Winslows, then he will easily get with Myra quick in a hurry.

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I'd still like to know how Laura fell for Steve? All the years of Laura putting down Steve and poof, there an item? How did that happen?

Honey, I'm thinking the same thing. It took this bitch nine years to fall for Steve after she rejected his ass over and over again. He should've stick with Myra. **** that stuck-up bitch.

Honey, I'm thinking the same thing. It took this bitch nine years to fall for Steve after she rejected his ass over and over again. He should've stick with Myra. **** that stuck-up bitch.

Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again - THIS is how Family Matters should have ended:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4710466...hange-of-Heart

Real talk. That's how it was supposed to end, but the damn writers want to make people choose Laura by default knowing damn well, that he wasn't Laura's type. She was no good for him at all, and Myra was everything that Steve wanted. They were the worse pairing in history.

Yes, and Stefan should never have existed either. I still wouldn't want Laura to end up with Stefan even if Steve finally did choose Myra over Laura in the final season, as that is just too weird having anyone end up with a human literally created in a laboratory. If anyone deserved to end up with Laura, it was Curtis Williams.

Speaking of Laura and Stefan, I wonder, if Laura married Stefan instead of Steve, and Steve really did move to Russia forever, how Myra would react? I'll bet if that did happen, Myra and Laura would probably be at each other's throats for the rest of their lives. Myra would probably hold a grudge against Laura for the rest of her life for making Steve break her heart only for Laura to end up breaking his heart and causing him to move away from the both of them forever. Laura would keep trying to tell Myra it's her own fault for driving Steve away with her overpossessive and stalkerish attitude.

Wow, I managed to miss this thread somehow! :eek:

But welcome to the light, Nicole! ;)

He should have forgotten about Laura and moved on.