As I was doing some schoolwork today, I had some UM on in the background and thought about threads we've had in the past concerning cases that don't get much discussion relative to others and why this phenomenon occurs. Frequently, there's not a ready explanation at all. But what, in your opinion, are some of the least-discussed segments due to one or more easily apparent factors?

I think I would go with Leo Koury or Connor/Daugherty. While Koury was a Ten Most Wanted fugitive for years, he was positively identified post-mortem after being admitted to a hospital under an assumed name in 1991--long before this forum ever got its start. Connor and Daugherty were apprehended before their special even aired in 1987, so there doesn't seem to be a ton to discuss there, either.

Thoughts?

I think all of the hoax segments do and should fall into this category. Some of the people on UM (Kevin and Bean, Ed Walters, etc) wanted nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame. I think they would be delighted to see themselves still talked about. I don't feel comfortable giving any of them the attention they so desperately craved. And I, quite frankly, am appalled that Kevin and Bean are still on the air. To this day. :barf:

The Bonnie Haim segment was always one of my favorites that doesn't get discussed much on here. I guess it's because it's fairly obvious that the husband was involved in her disappearance, and there's not much room for debate about what happened to her.

One story I've always found fascinating is the Monica Bonilla case, which is known for being UM's "unintentional" solve. Basically, after UM aired the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, officials from a school called in believing that one of their students might be Nyleen. However, this girl wound up being another missing child named Monica Bonilla, who had been abducted by her non-custodial father.

Of course, this case has practically no discussion around here since it's been solved and there's nothing to really say about it, but it's a pretty interesting story in its own right since Monica's father basically had a complete mental breakdown and believed he'd been inhabited by the spirit of John Lennon. I always found those photos of him growing out his hair and beard and dressing like Lennon to be pretty creepy. Since Monica had been missing for several years at that point and authorities seemed to have forgotten about her, I wonder if she ever would have been found if it wasn't for UM.

The Bonnie Haim segment was always one of my favorites that doesn't get discussed much on here. I guess it's because it's fairly obvious that the husband was involved in her disappearance, and there's not much room for debate about what happened to her.


I think kind of carries with it any case of a "missing" wife where the husband claims innocence (Charlotte Pollis, Christie Nichols, Dottie Caylor, Monica Rizzo, etc). In almost all of these cases the talk can really only center around how guilty the husbands look and the things they've done to make themselves look guilty.

I think kind of carries with it any case of a "missing" wife where the husband claims innocence (Charlotte Pollis, Christie Nichols, Dottie Caylor, Monica Rizzo, etc). In almost all of these cases the talk can really only center around how guilty the husbands look and the things they've done to make themselves look guilty.

However, in some cases (Pollis, Caylor, Linda Sherman, etc.) the majority of the board believe the spouse is guilty, but some other posters make some very good arguments for their innocence.

I think the only "mysterious part" of the Bonnie Haim segment is how her own father was the biggest defender of Michael's innocence (whereas Michael's own relatives seemed to believed he was guilty). The fact that the father was willing to go to bat for him initially made me think there might have been information left out which pointed to Michael's innocence, but over the years, I think he eventually came to believe Michael was responsible.

I think all of the hoax segments do and should fall into this category. Some of the people on UM (Kevin and Bean, Ed Walters, etc) wanted nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame. I think they would be delighted to see themselves still talked about. I don't feel comfortable giving any of them the attention they so desperately craved. And I, quite frankly, am appalled that Kevin and Bean are still on the air. To this day. :barf:

I just watched that one again very recently. In hindsight, you can actually sense the lying in the way they worded some of their responses to the hoax allegations before the truth was uncovered. I too am appalled those people still have jobs in radio after arousing hope in a grieving mother and lying to their audience. No character at all.

One story I've always found fascinating is the Monica Bonilla case, which is known for being UM's "unintentional" solve. Basically, after UM aired the Nyleen Kay Marshall segment, officials from a school called in believing that one of their students might be Nyleen. However, this girl wound up being another missing child named Monica Bonilla, who had been abducted by her non-custodial father.

Of course, this case has practically no discussion around here since it's been solved and there's nothing to really say about it, but it's a pretty interesting story in its own right since Monica's father basically had a complete mental breakdown and believed he'd been inhabited by the spirit of John Lennon. I always found those photos of him growing out his hair and beard and dressing like Lennon to be pretty creepy. Since Monica had been missing for several years at that point and authorities seemed to have forgotten about her, I wonder if she ever would have been found if it wasn't for UM.

The Monica Bonilla case was bizarre in every sense of the word. It's incredibly interesting from the weird John Lennon stuff to the Nyleen Kay Marshall misidentification to Rosemary Levi's very memorable remarks concerning God's will--but even after all this, there's not a whole lot more to talk about!

However, in some cases (Pollis, Caylor, Linda Sherman, etc.) the majority of the board believe the spouse is guilty, but some other posters make some very good arguments for their innocence.

For sure. I actually don't think Jule Caylor is responsible for his wife's disappearance, and it seems like sometime in the past year someone brought up some good points possibly pointing to Paul Pollis' potential innocence that I had never really considered before. So I think all those are all quite ripe and viable for new ideas and thoughts.

One I considered for possible inclusion on this thread is the Dan Wilson case. Although his remains were found in 1997 and it seems chronic carbon monoxide toxicity did in fact contribute to his strange behavior in the days preceding his disappearance, I suppose there could be other explanations for what happened.

I think the only "mysterious part" of the Bonnie Haim segment is how her own father was the biggest defender of Michael's innocence (whereas Michael's own relatives seemed to believed he was guilty). The fact that the father was willing to go to bat for him initially made me think there might have been information left out which pointed to Michael's innocence, but over the years, I think he eventually came to believe Michael was responsible.

This is what makes it very interesting to me. On the one hand you have Michael's own aunt who makes it crystal clear that she believed he was controlling and abusive, but Bonnie's own father seemed like a staunch defender of him in the segment.

I just watched that one again very recently. In hindsight, you can actually sense the lying in the way they worded some of their responses to the hoax allegations before the truth was uncovered. I too am appalled those people still have jobs in radio after arousing hope in a grieving mother and lying to their audience. No character at all.
Being from L.A., I was pretty horrified to learn what they had done and that they were still on the air. KROQ is/was pretty popular and I stopped tuning in. My university roommate and her boyfriend loved listening to them. Once I told them the story, they stopped. Makes me sick to my stomach that they didn't get reprimanded more. Not only did they cause families grief, but they wasted many hours of LAPD time that could have been spent going into real cases.


As for Bonnie Haim, I would love to know what the father thinks now.

Pretty much all the supernatural ones.

There's really not much to be said. Either you believe in the paranormal, or you think the people on the segments are mistaken or making it up.

I think what's most interesting about Bonnie Haim is her son Aaron's testimony that he witnessed the murder. He was around three or four years old at the time.

I guess I don't know what to think about it. There have certainly been cases in which small children do witness horrible things and tell the honest-to-God truth about what they saw. But in others, they have embellished or fabricated a story. Aaron's story, however, seemed to be the lynchpin of the wrongful death suit against Michael, but no criminal charges have ever filed (as far as I know).

I think it's extremely likely Michael Haim is responsible for Bonnie's disappearance, but I guess I'm a touch leery about the story. Maybe I'm just naive and find it too difficult to wrap my mind around the notion that a man would actually murder his wife in front of his tiny son. :(

One I considered for possible inclusion on this thread is the Dan Wilson case. Although his remains were found in 1997 and it seems chronic carbon monoxide toxicity did in fact contribute to his strange behavior in the days preceding his disappearance, I suppose there could be other explanations for what happened.

Dan's case was very tragic, and the irony is that his CAR (of all things) was what precipitated this all. The muffler was faulty, so that carbon monoxide got in as he drove it daily for weeks or months, affected his moods to where he wasn't himself, lead to him blowing up at work, and attempting to get to Colorado to see his family, making a wrong turn, and....we know the rest. :(

I saw it in 1994 (even had an AUDIOTAPE recording of it as a kid - did that whenever I ran out of VHS tape space!) before his body had been found a few years later, and it always fascinated me. The biggest mystery to me is, whether or not he made it into Billings to sign in at the homeless shelter.

I saw it in 1994 (even had an AUDIOTAPE recording of it as a kid - did that whenever I ran out of VHS tape space!) .


Now THAT's what I call a dedicated UM fan! :)

I think it's extremely likely Michael Haim is responsible for Bonnie's disappearance, but I guess I'm a touch leery about the story. Maybe I'm just naive and find it too difficult to wrap my mind around the notion that a man would actually murder his wife in front of his tiny son. :(
Aaron also claimed he had to help clean up/move the body. I'm not sure about this, particularly because he was so young at the time. Would the guy really kill his wife and then ask his son to wipe up the floor or something? I don't believe that. But it's not impossible that the son witnessed violence/the murder.

Maybe I'm just naive and find it too difficult to wrap my mind around the notion that a man would actually murder his wife in front of his tiny son. :(

Jeffrey MacDonald. :p

Seriously though, I believe Bonnie's father has said that the son would reveal lots and lots of information that turned out to not be true (when asked what happened to his mother). I wonder if there was some sort of coaching going on.

Being from L.A., I was pretty horrified to learn what they had done and that they were still on the air. KROQ is/was pretty popular and I stopped tuning in. My university roommate and her boyfriend loved listening to them. Once I told them the story, they stopped. Makes me sick to my stomach that they didn't get reprimanded more. Not only did they cause families grief, but they wasted many hours of LAPD time that could have been spent going into real cases.

There's a ton of information about them online and they are still doing immensely well on their radio programs which I had no idea went nation wide. They're pretty popular and have very high ratings. Articles written about their success don't seem to dwell that much on the fake murder confession, treating it like a very small speed bump on their eventual road to success.

I could only find one article from 1994 where they mention the "incident" but even then, it doesn't seem very genuine...

"Those weren't the happiest days of our lives," said Kevin. "We knew at the time that we were (in trouble). We knew we did a dumb thing. We screwed up and it got away from us."

"It just happened to be the most public mistake of many mistakes that we've made at this job," said Bean. "But that was 4 1/2 years ago. The fact that we haven't gotten in that kind of trouble again shows that's not the kind of thing we do."

I love how he wanted a pat on the back for going 4 years without doing something as serious as faking a murder. I wish there was some kind of humble feedback where these guys truly learned that their hoax was a million times more serious than their initial intent and they seriously f*cked with hundreds of grieving families giving them false hope that justice would be served for their loved ones but I'm not seeing anything.

Their punishment was $12,800 in fines and 149 hours of community service, half of which was spent at a homeless shelter and the other half at speaking engagements.

There's some interesting information about the duo on wikipedia:

* Kevin and Bean's fake murder confession became the inspiration for a 1996 movie called 'Power 98' starring Eric Roberts.

* Jimmy Kimmel got his start working for Kevin and Bean as their sports producer.

* In March 2003, their show caused international controversy when Ralph made a prank phone call to the office of French president Jacques Chirac while posing as Jerry Lewis. All were surprised when Chirac picked up the phone and began talking to "Jerry." Lewis' lawyers were quick to threaten with lawsuits and the bit has rarely been spoken of since. Though they appear to be under orders not to speak of the matter, Kevin and Bean have made oblique suggestions that Lewis "blackmailed" Kevin and Bean into making a contribution to the Muscular Dystrophy Association, the beneficiary of Lewis' annual Labor Day telethon.

* In January 2004, a Los Angeles man filed a breach of contract suit against the station and Kevin and Bean saying he was cheated out of a free SUV. Though Kevin and Bean do not address specific lawsuits on the air, they often refer to being frequently sued, usually in the context of people not understanding or appreciating their attempts at humor.

* In August 2007, a listener e-mailed a complaint to Kevin and Bean as well as put an article in The Advocate Magazine (Gay & Lesbian Magazine). The complaint was about a parody that Psycho Mike of the Kevin and Bean show did titled "Lean Like a Homo", and was made to make fun of Down's "Lean like a Cholo".

* On May 8, 2009 – Westwood One announced that it will begin airing The Kevin & Bean Show on radio stations nationwide on May 11, 2009.

* On September 15, 2011 Kevin and Bean won the NAB Marconi Radio Award for "Major Market Personality of the Year".

And some random facts. Kevin dislikes old people. Bean dislikes the handicapped and would love to own a dwarf. :rolleyes:

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Gene+Baxter+Kevin+Ryder+KROQ+Kevin+Bean+April+vXPQscO_SJyl.jpg

I love how he wanted a pat on the back for going 4 years without doing something as serious as faking a murder.

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"...that's not the kind of thing we do." Except, uh, YOU DID.

And some random facts. Kevin dislikes old people. Bean dislikes the handicapped and would love to own a dwarf. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

The radio guys are still on the air to this day. I recall hearing every so often someone calls in and mentions the case and they get nervous about it, and sometimes they brag about it.

Kurt McFall.

:mad: Those guys make me so mad. If they actually gave a nice apology, it would at least be a small sign they can be decent human beings. Instead, they just act like tools.


More that don't get discussed much:

Lynn Amos- Another sad one that I've seen mentioned a few times, but not too much.
David Merrifield-I think this may be because of the suspect dying, the police closing the case, and his niece saying they just want to move on. But seriously, that elevator scene has to be one of the most chilling on UM. And what the heck was the motive?!.
Dale Williams- The former friend went around ripping down his missing persons posters and had a major dispute with him before he vanished...I would think that would be discussed more.

:mad: Those guys make me so mad. If they actually gave a nice apology, it would at least be a small sign they can be decent human beings. Instead, they just act like tools.

Those guys are huge d*chebags, and that's being polite! The fact that they're still proud of it and brag about it 20+ years later actually makes me even angrier than the actual thing. Just because they're so smug and cold-blooded about it.

It's one thing to be a shock jock like Howard Stern...some of that stuff is actually pretty funny (even if kinda tasteless sometimes), but it's another to intentionally come up with a hoax, give families false hope, and waste police time.

David Merrifield-I think this may be because of the suspect dying, the police closing the case, and his niece saying they just want to move on. But seriously, that elevator scene has to be one of the most chilling on UM. And what the heck was the motive?!.

Good one. I agree that it's probably the suspect's suicide that factors into why there's not a lot of discussion.

Dale Williams- The former friend went around ripping down his missing persons posters and had a major dispute with him before he vanished...I would think that would be discussed more.

Yeah. I think the Dale Williams case is fascinating personally. The call placed from the stolen cell phone, the truck being found underwater, the extremely odd missing person posters ordeal with his friend--weird stuff.

Just thought of another one: The Obia Man! There's not much to talk about considering they've never found the guy.

Yeah. I think the Dale Williams case is fascinating personally. The call placed from the stolen cell phone, the truck being found underwater, the extremely odd missing person posters ordeal with his friend--weird stuff.
I think they have to look more into the former friend. Dale and his wife helped this guy's wife escape to another state, so there's a motive right there. It might seem a little hard to swallow considering that the man was brazen enough to rip down Dale's missing posters, and would you do that if you were guilty? (Pretty dumb thing to do). But it seems like this guy had to be the one to have left shell casings and the torn photographs in his garage. I've always wondered if he got a female friend/girlfriend to call up pretending to have car trouble in a certain area and then when Dale showed up, he attacked him and disposed of the car.

I was thinking about this earlier, but I think the later the show went, the harder the segments are to find, and the less talked about they are.

Everybody agrees that the 1988-1993 years were pure Classic/creepy and thought provoking UM; so those cases, despite being oldest, are way more well-known. 1994-97 is kinda inbetween, with some infamous ones and quite a few that have slipped under the radar, but the 98-02 ones are extremely overlooked now, including by myself sometimes.

I was thinking about this earlier, but I think the later the show went, the harder the segments are to find, and the less talked about they are.

Everybody agrees that the 1988-1993 years were pure Classic/creepy and thought provoking UM; so those cases, despite being oldest, are way more well-known. 1994-97 is kinda inbetween, with some infamous ones and quite a few that have slipped under the radar, but the 98-02 ones are extremely overlooked now, including by myself sometimes.

That's a great point.

David Merrifield-I think this may be because of the suspect dying, the police closing the case, and his niece saying they just want to move on. But seriously, that elevator scene has to be one of the most chilling on UM. And what the heck was the motive?!

This is what is very frustrating about the Merrifield case. It's considered closed, IIRC the suspect is deceased, and the niece doesn't want to discuss any of it and just wants everyone to drop it and move on!? The man was murdered in cold blood. At the very least you could say what the reasoning was behind his slaying. The only reason I could think of as to why she would want to put it behind them was that it paints Merrifield in a negative light somehow.

-Most of the supernatural (whether it's UFO, religious, ghosts) because you either believe it or you don't.

-Political/conspiracy also don't get a lot of discussion, probably because UM isn't the only show that's tackled them and unless you are a politics or conspiracy bluff, it's not going to be of much interest.

-The prison warden/official who was killed (I think his first name was Michael). It was a segment that never got a lot of repeat airplay when Lifetime ran the show.

-Mikki Jo West. It's one of my favorite segments and it is a little creepy. But the motive and suspect was pretty cut and dry once you found out Mikki got too involved with a friend and her troubled marriage, and the friend's husband killed her to stop her interfering. If you believe UM, nobody else had a grudge against her, there was nothing else in her background that would warrant a murder, and her sister even said she believed she knew who killed Mikki and why but couldn't say anything more. The only real mysterious part of the story was the confession letters left at the mall and the killer contacting the news reporter.

-Mikki Jo West. It's one of my favorite segments and it is a little creepy. But the motive and suspect was pretty cut and dry once you found out Mikki got too involved with a friend and her troubled marriage, and the friend's husband killed her to stop her interfering. If you believe UM, nobody else had a grudge against her, there was nothing else in her background that would warrant a murder, and her sister even said she believed she knew who killed Mikki and why but couldn't say anything more. The only real mysterious part of the story was the confession letters left at the mall and the killer contacting the news reporter.

Definitely agreed. It's one of my favorite segments, too.

-Mikki Jo West. It's one of my favorite segments and it is a little creepy. But the motive and suspect was pretty cut and dry once you found out Mikki got too involved with a friend and her troubled marriage, and the friend's husband killed her to stop her interfering. If you believe UM, nobody else had a grudge against her, there was nothing else in her background that would warrant a murder, and her sister even said she believed she knew who killed Mikki and why but couldn't say anything more. The only real mysterious part of the story was the confession letters left at the mall and the killer contacting the news reporter.
It's even wilder when you discover that the suspect and friend are none of than her sister-in-law (who was interviewed in the segment) and husband! So when Ruth West said she thought she knew who did it, she was talking about her own (ex)spouse!

-Political/conspiracy also don't get a lot of discussion, probably because UM isn't the only show that's tackled them and unless you are a politics or conspiracy bluff, it's not going to be of much interest.

I think it's also because people are too eager to believe the results of shoddy government investigations on those political conspiracies, that more compelling alternative theories are just too much for them to comprehend. That's what I've noticed in my experience anyways.

I think it's also because people are too eager to believe the results of shoddy government investigations on those political conspiracies, that more compelling alternative theories are just too much for them to comprehend. That's what I've noticed in my experience anyways.

Belief in a conspiracy theory does not equate to intellectual might, nor does subscribing to an explanation put forth by a government entity render one incapable of higher reasoning. What I've noticed in my experience is that there is room for discussion, agreement, and disagreement, and that insistence on your own brilliance usually ends up embarrassing you at some point.

Belief in a conspiracy theory does not equate to intellectual might, nor does subscribing to an explanation put forth by a government entity render one incapable of higher reasoning.What I've noticed in my experience is that there is room for discussion, agreement, and disagreement, and that insistence on your own brilliance usually ends up embarrassing you at some point.

I never said that, but ok. And of course, there is always room for discussion.

Just thought of a good one: Scott Rossiter. Although the main suspect was identified, he himself was killed under mysterious circumstances shortly thereafter and left in a field 50 miles away from the city of Ingersoll, where the man shot and killed Rossiter. I don't know if there was ever an update on why this person was murdered, or who might have been responsible.

A lot of wanted cases, really. Everything about the crime is right there, they just have to nab the guy who did it.

Just thought of a good one: Scott Rossiter. Although the main suspect was identified, he himself was killed under mysterious circumstances shortly thereafter and left in a field 50 miles away from the city of Ingersoll, where the man shot and killed Rossiter. I don't know if there was ever an update on why this person was murdered, or who might have been responsible.

Yeah, that update on David O'Neil's death was pretty strange. RS pretty much said: "Authorities don't believe they'll ever find out the truth about who murdered David O'Neil", which roughly translates to: "Since this guy murdered a police officer, we ain't gonna go out of our way to find out who killed him".

Yeah, that update on David O'Neil's death was pretty strange. RS pretty much said: "Authorities don't believe they'll ever find out the truth about who murdered David O'Neil", which roughly translates to: "Since this guy murdered a police officer, we ain't gonna go out of our way to find out who killed him".

Yep, that's pretty much what I took it to mean, too.

Yep, that's pretty much what I took it to mean, too.
I got that vibe as well. And I always wondered if the person who killed him did so in retaliation for the officer's murder (vigilante-type, someone who cared about the officer or his family and was enraged) or if it was just a random crime.

Perhaps the spookiest question of all...who made the phone call that led the police to the body? :eek:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The voodoo poisoner in the Virgin Islands. The case is one of the most fascinating but doesn't get discussed much.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The voodoo poisoner in the Virgin Islands. The case is one of the most fascinating but doesn't get discussed much.
Yes, I mentioned that one a few posts back. I find it fascinating, too, but it never gets discussed and that's because there's nothing new to talk about. The Obia Man has never been found :(

Yes, I mentioned that one a few posts back. I find it fascinating, too, but it never gets discussed and that's because there's nothing new to talk about. The Obia Man has never been found :(

Yeah to me it's an unsolvable mystery. I also get that UM international mysteries are more distant to american fans.

Richard Aderson's road rage murder and the accident that killed the two little girls, Chansami and Abby Thammavong. What occurred in both cases is apparent, but there's been no new information about the identity of either driver.

Raymond Young went missing, but since the police strongly suspected he faked his disappearance to avoid prosecution and he indeed later turned up alive, there doesn't seem to be much to discuss.

Yeah, that update on David O'Neil's death was pretty strange. RS pretty much said: "Authorities don't believe they'll ever find out the truth about who murdered David O'Neil", which roughly translates to: "Since this guy murdered a police officer, we ain't gonna go out of our way to find out who killed him".

It's probably just as well. Besides, the murder of a police officer is a touchy subject in law enforcement, and the death of Scott Rossiter is clearly no exception.

Although I generally don't like to see anyone get away with murder, I personally have no qualms about David O'Neil's murder remaining unsolved. For avoiding justice in the murder of a cop, O'Neil got his comeuppance. Karma got him in the end.

The Y2K segment certainly seems irrelevant nowadays.

Though it does remind me of a funny moment on Hot in Cleveland where Carol Burnett played a hoarder who still had a magazine with the cover: "Y2K: What You Need To Do Right Now." :lol:

Two cases that I think are pretty good for discussion (but don't get much on here) are the Moses Lall/Lila Buerattan disappearances and the death of Kristie Gunderson Lee. I believe one of the workers (who UM appealed to come forward at the end of the segment) was responsible for the disappearances of Moses and Lila, but I still don't know what to make of the Kristie Lee case.

Re: Moses and Lila:

The Disappeared segment made a pretty good case that it was one of their co-workers. Moses had apparently sold off a lot of birds lately so was sitting on quite a bit of money, making him an attractive target.

Re: Moses and Lila:

The Disappeared segment made a pretty good case that it was one of their co-workers. Moses had apparently sold off a lot of birds lately so was sitting on quite a bit of money, making him an attractive target.

Yeah I also read some articles about their disappearance that Harry Gobin was the coworker who also disappeared. He had Moses' ID and some of their animals and was trying to sell them.

The case where the Spanish guys are home repair people and scam an old guy out of money. I literally can't sit through watching it on the discs after hours of non-stop insane cases of Unsolved Mysteries. I feel bad for the guy because he died before he got justice, but it's just so out of place with the rest of the show I never understood why it was broadcast.

The case where the Spanish guys are home repair people and scam an old guy out of money. I literally can't sit through watching it on the discs after hours of non-stop insane cases of Unsolved Mysteries. I feel bad for the guy because he died before he got justice, but it's just so out of place with the rest of the show I never understood why it was broadcast.

Because the crime was so heinous. The man was clearly incapable of giving clear consent. No, it wasn't like those men burst into his home in the middle of night, pointed a gun at him, and forced him to give up all his money and possessions. But I think this was far worse, though. They earned his trust, and then bled him slowly of all his assets. They essentially held him captive in his own home. That takes time and calculation, and it's disgusting to think someone could or would put so much effort into stealing from an elderly man who probably didn't even have a whole heck of a lot to begin with.

As well, the trio were still perpetrating their scam at the time of the broadcast. That's probably a big reason why the story was covered.

The case of Jack Quinn is fascinating

The case of Jack Quinn is fascinating

I like that case, too. IIRC, the only update to it was that he had acquired a (Texas?) driver's license in someone else's name (I'm pretty sure it was a family member) sometime in the early '90s. I suppose he's still wanted.

Forgot about this one, just ran across a quick mention in another thread:

The Steve Shores case from a Final Appeal episode.

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Steve_Shores

He witnessed the killing of a security guard in a gang shooting and the shooters claimed he was the murderer and testified against him. He was wrongfully convicted. Had poor legal representation. But also lied and kept info from his lawyer (so he wouldn't get killed by the guilty gang members, IIRC).

His attorney convinced him to have a bench trial, with no jury. At least if he'd had a jury, one or two of them could have had doubts about his guilt.

Since he only had the judge to hear his case, you'd think he'd at least testify on his own behalf because there was no jury to be worried about getting the wrong impression if he goofed up.

He eventually got out of prison and the shooters who testified against him were convicted of the murder.

Well, it obviously doesn't get much discussion because it's been solved, but I've always found the case on the murder of college student Brook Baker to be pretty fascinating because the whole UM segment is basically a giant red herring. They present 3 or 4 possible theories about why she was murdered (a creepy landlord, an article she wrote about an alleged fraternity rape, an ad she posted for a roommate, etc.), but it turns out all of them were wrong and she was killed by some random perp.

In a way, it's similar to the Sammy Wheeler case in that the actual killer had nothing to do with any of the theories presented on UM, but of course, that segment still gets a LOT of discussion because of the colourful characters involved.

Well, it obviously doesn't get much discussion because it's been solved, but I've always found the case on the murder of college student Brook Baker to be pretty fascinating because the whole UM segment is basically a giant red herring. They present 3 or 4 possible theories about why she was murdered (a creepy landlord, an article she wrote about an alleged fraternity rape, an ad she posted for a roommate, etc.), but it turns out all of them were wrong and she was killed by some random perp.


Actually wasn't it an acquaintance? I think the killer had been the roommate of the man she was currently dating. But I agree, it's crazy that they had those three scenarios and none of them were correct. The landlord in particular creeped me out; I couldn't believe he actually walked into her apartment while she in the shower! I can't blame LE for thinking he may have been responsible given his prior behavior.

Actually wasn't it an acquaintance? I think the killer had been the roommate of the man she was currently dating. But I agree, it's crazy that they had those three scenarios and none of them were correct. The landlord in particular creeped me out; I couldn't believe he actually walked into her apartment while she in the shower! I can't blame LE for thinking he may have been responsible given his prior behavior.

Ah, I wasn't sure if Brian Jones had any connection to Brook, but that makes sense. I also remember the segment had another red herring about Brook's cousin not wanting to talk to the police and potentially hiding key information, but I'm not sure it was relevant to the case either.

is unsolved mystery's bean favorite soup bean soup and fav actor Mr Bean? does he live in Bean town and is his fav candy boston baked beans?


I think all of the hoax segments do and should fall into this category. Some of the people on UM (Kevin and Bean, Ed Walters, etc) wanted nothing more than their 15 minutes of fame. I think they would be delighted to see themselves still talked about. I don't feel comfortable giving any of them the attention they so desperately craved. And I, quite frankly, am appalled that Kevin and Bean are still on the air. To this day. :barf:

is unsolved mystery's bean favorite soup bean soup and fav actor Mr Bean? does he live in Bean town and is his fav candy boston baked beans?

Yes. He wears a beanie. He eats vanilla beans and chili beans and pork and beans. His favorite person on Unsolved Mysteries is Bob Bean. His favorite nursery rhyme is Jack and the Beanstalk.

The Burrowing burglars -I wonder who they are and what happened to them after their daring do ...

I believe that Bonnie Haim son is telling the truth. I have vague memories of being 3-4 yrs old. Yes vague but I believe that if I was exposed to something so horrific as my mother being murdered by my father that would stay with me. I seriously doubt she would just dump her purse and leave her son behind. Maybe her father was a abuser himself and justified whatever the husband was doing to her. At any rate I wish her body would be found or claimed. So many people are missing and so many Jane Does/John Does are sitting unclaimed.

I am a UM fanatic but terrible with names. This story was about a woman who was a "dog lady" and even fed her husband dog food. They eventually found her dead with her dogs leash tried around her neck. I really dont think the husband had anything to do with her murder.But he eventually vanished as well

I am a UM fanatic but terrible with names. This story was about a woman who was a "dog lady" and even fed her husband dog food. They eventually found her dead with her dogs leash tried around her neck. I really dont think the husband had anything to do with her murder.But he eventually vanished as well

Hugh and Diane Harlan.

Did they find Diane's body? I was under the impression BOTH of them had vanished without a trace...but about 4 years apart. I'd go back to the forbidden site and watch it again but most of the UM content appears to have been cleaned out. :(

Did they find Diane's body? I was under the impression BOTH of them had vanished without a trace...but about 4 years apart. I'd go back to the forbidden site and watch it again but most of the UM content appears to have been cleaned out. :(

Diane's body was found eleven days after she went missing.

Just thought of one I can't recall much discussion about.

Charles Mule.

For those who may not remember, he was the undercover cop "gone bad." He was wanted for molesting several teenage girls who were themselves sex abuse victims he was supposed to be counseling. One of his victims told her parents about it, and Mule's fellow cops set up a sting to catch him. He vanished before trial and staged his disappearance to look like a suicide, though it was fairly obvious he didn't jump off the bridge. The story was shown for the first time in March 1989. There was an update not long after indicating that he had been located.

Yep, that was pretty much it.

Just thought of one I can't recall much discussion about.

Charles Mule.

For those who may not remember, he was the undercover cop "gone bad." He was wanted for molesting several teenage girls who were themselves sex abuse victims he was supposed to be counseling. One of his victims told her parents about it, and Mule's fellow cops set up a sting to catch him. He vanished before trial and staged his disappearance to look like a suicide, though it was fairly obvious he didn't jump off the bridge. The story was shown for the first time in March 1989. There was an update not long after indicating that he had been located.

Yep, that was pretty much it.

I always had so many questions about this one. Dude hid out RIGHT outside town, in the swamp. I seem to remember that there was a theory that Mule might have been tipped off by some members of the Slidell PD that they were planning to close in on the trailer he was staying in. If that's true, I wonder if any of them had any further, more active roles in helping him hide out.

I always liked the detective who was interviewed for that segment. You could tell she cared deeply about the victim and the integrity of her organization and profession.

Lots of similarities to the Reggie di Palma case--which is also another sparingly discussed segment. He hid out, and was caught around '00 or '01. The end.

I always had so many questions about this one. Dude hid out RIGHT outside town, in the swamp. I seem to remember that there was a theory that Mule might have been tipped off by some members of the Slidell PD that they were planning to close in on the trailer he was staying in. If that's true, I wonder if any of them had any further, more active roles in helping him hide out.

I always liked the detective who was interviewed for that segment. You could tell she cared deeply about the victim and the integrity of her organization and profession.

Lots of similarities to the Reggie di Palma case--which is also another sparingly discussed segment. He hid out, and was caught around '00 or '01. The end.

I thought of DiPalma as well. Both are scumbags for sure, but what sickens me the most is that Mule was supposed to be helping his victims both as a police officer and counselor to help them cope with the sexual abuse they had already endured.

Yes, I liked that detective too. I remember her comments about how difficult and painful it was to have to interview Mule's victims, as Mule had been her partner at one point.

Sort of random, but I always wondered what happened with the situation the family went to the police station to resolve in the first place. The mother of Mule's victim indicated that they went to the police station to report a neighborhood boy who had been harassing her daughter. I just wonder what this guy was doing that was worthy of police attention. To be sure, it must have been serious. Still, I wonder what was up with that. It wasn't really addressed again after Mule came in to the picture, which is understandable.

I always liked the detective who was interviewed for that segment. You could tell she cared deeply about the victim and the integrity of her organization and profession.

I agree. The fact that other officers were apparently tipping Mulet off while he was on the run seemed to indicate there were those who still felt he was innocent and that the girl was making the story up. Sadly, Mulet was such a well-respected figure that some cops probably wouldn't have taken the girl's story seriously or would've covered up the whole thing, but the detective in the UM segment was a class act who never waved from doing the right thing.

Hmmm... good topic.

It has always seemed to me that there isn't really much to talk about with respect to the Angela Hammond disappearance, and I guess that's why it hardly ever come up on this boa...

Oh wait.

There's like a 900 page thread on it isn't there?

So silly, since it's so obvious that Rob did it!

Has he been arrested yet?

;)

Hmmm... good topic.

It has always seemed to me that there isn't really much to talk about with respect to the Angela Hammond disappearance, and I guess that's why it hardly ever come up on this boa...

Oh wait.

There's like a 900 page thread on it isn't there?

So silly, since it's so obvious that Rob did it!

Has he been arrested yet?

;)

LOL. I've said it before. Rob either had nothing to do with Angela's disappearance or he is the best actor in the history of the world. NOTHING he did on camera led me to believe he was being deceptive.


I always wished there was more discussion about Jack Davis, Jr., the college student who was found deceased in the stairwell. Allegedly, his body had been there a couple of days, but was located right outside a window where class had been going on.

I always wondered what happened to him.

Also... Morris Davis, the pizza man from Montana who was murdered making a delivery.

What the hell happened there?

Also... Morris Davis, the pizza man from Montana who was murdered making a delivery.

What the hell happened there?
The police wasted a ton of time by making the decision that the gun they found far away HAD to have been the murder weapon when it wasn't. :(

LOL. I've said it before. Rob either had nothing to do with Angela's disappearance or he is the best actor in the history of the world. NOTHING he did on camera led me to believe he was being deceptive.

Agreed. I mean, there have been people who seem genuine and then are guilty. But the thing about this case is that Rob literally had no time to go hide a body and telephone records backed up his story. I never understood how people could say he did it? After the transmission failed, I believe he immediately went to phone the police. There's just no time to account for him staging an abduction and hiding Angela's body, especially because he was definitely at home baby-sitting after she dropped him off in the first place.

Those guys are huge d*chebags, and that's being polite! The fact that they're still proud of it and brag about it 20+ years later actually makes me even angrier than the actual thing. Just because they're so smug and cold-blooded about it.

It's one thing to be a shock jock like Howard Stern...some of that stuff is actually pretty funny (even if kinda tasteless sometimes), but it's another to intentionally come up with a hoax, give families false hope, and waste police time.

It was interesting Unsolved Mysteries making them film statements that it was genuine, and then airing them--something they perhaps should have done in other cases which were obviously exaggerated or fabricated. It's good that they received some punishment resulting in some good to somebody, but too bad that the waste of police time and effort was not addressed more forcefully--I mean, don't people get arrested just for fake 911 calls which are obviously jokes?

That poor mother should have been compensated for pain and suffering! Her sobbing her eyes out was one of the saddest things ever on UM. :crying:

I was thinking about this earlier, but I think the later the show went, the harder the segments are to find, and the less talked about they are.

Everybody agrees that the 1988-1993 years were pure Classic/creepy and thought provoking UM; so those cases, despite being oldest, are way more well-known. 1994-97 is kinda inbetween, with some infamous ones and quite a few that have slipped under the radar, but the 98-02 ones are extremely overlooked now, including by myself sometimes.

A lot of these I've never heard of, presumably because I hated the way the show was carved up on Spike and quit watching.

Because the crime was so heinous. The man was clearly incapable of giving clear consent. No, it wasn't like those men burst into his home in the middle of night, pointed a gun at him, and forced him to give up all his money and possessions. But I think this was far worse, though. They earned his trust, and then bled him slowly of all his assets. They essentially held him captive in his own home. That takes time and calculation, and it's disgusting to think someone could or would put so much effort into stealing from an elderly man who probably didn't even have a whole heck of a lot to begin with.

As well, the trio were still perpetrating their scam at the time of the broadcast. That's probably a big reason why the story was covered.

Same deal with that poor old blind judge where they caught the bitch and then nothing was done because the main victim had died. Did SHE ever get her comeuppance? :cuss:

Well, it obviously doesn't get much discussion because it's been solved, but I've always found the case on the murder of college student Brook Baker to be pretty fascinating because the whole UM segment is basically a giant red herring. They present 3 or 4 possible theories about why she was murdered (a creepy landlord, an article she wrote about an alleged fraternity rape, an ad she posted for a roommate, etc.), but it turns out all of them were wrong and she was killed by some random perp.

In a way, it's similar to the Sammy Wheeler case in that the actual killer had nothing to do with any of the theories presented on UM, but of course, that segment still gets a LOT of discussion because of the colourful characters involved.

Same deal with the UHaul murder, airing the family's dirty laundry and accusing his brother of sending a hit man to kill his wife just to get to him!

LOL. I've said it before. Rob either had nothing to do with Angela's disappearance or he is the best actor in the history of the world. NOTHING he did on camera led me to believe he was being deceptive.

I never believed it was Rob for one because he seemed so sincere, and for another, didn't two or three other women from the area also disappear or turn up murdered? Did Rob kill them before Angela as he was planning to make her killing look random, or afterwards for the same reason? Seems like a lot of trouble and several times the risk!

Now for my own nominations, for either never discussed, or at least never solvable.

--Anything that depends on the word of only one person or one family. The other day on A Haunting, (which yes, I was actually reduced to watching) I saw a case where if one witness hadn't shot herself in the foot by something she posted online before appearing on the program, wouldn't have been tripped up, but the only people backing her story were her husband and son. Of course there were major fakers on UM like Georgia Rudolph who get a lot of discussion...and whatever happened to the guy claiming to be the reincarnation of Tommy Hix?

--Anything so long ago that there's no way anyone still living would know anything about it! I think it was the Lost Dutchman mine or something where my whole family literally burst out laughing when Stack said, "If you have any information--" Yeah, like there's any chance we would! Or would tell if we did! Some of these buried treasure stories are fake, and some are real but someone has absconded with it long ago. There was an astonishing case in my dad's hometown, he always related as if true. One of the most famous train robberies in history occurred there and the loot was buried. Years later a family bought a house, dug up the back yard, discovered the loot, left town and bought a hotel with it. Later Dad's brother owned the house (well, I suppose I should ask him what he knows--he often disagreed with Dad's tall tales--) but of course by then it was long gone. The astounding part was everyone knew where the loot was from, who had it, and what they did with it--yet they got away with keeping it!? (I think I will ask Dad's brother...watch this space.) Edit: Message sent, awaiting answer.

--Well, of course I remember everything about this case except names, but since none of the key terms are turning up in searches either here or on Google I'll assume it doesn't get discussed. A man in the midwest beat his wife, including pushing her downstairs, then forced her from the house. She was having trouble walking but still upright and ambulatory when her kids last saw her--one asked if she was all right and she didn't answer. An older man and his wife were out for a Sunday drive in the country and saw a man disposing of a bloody bedsheet at an abandoned building, where this lady was found murdered. The husband wrote a note reading, "I know the Lord said vengeance is mine but sometimes the Lord is too busy or looking the other way." An APB was put out on UM. When located, the man committed suicide. Wonder what happened to the kids, juveniles at the time, and how they are doing now.

--And, yeah...good luck catching those ghosts and space aliens!

--Well, of course I remember everything about this case except names, but since none of the key terms are turning up in searches either here or on Google I'll assume it doesn't get discussed. A man in the midwest beat his wife, including pushing her downstairs, then forced her from the house. She was having trouble walking but still upright and ambulatory when her kids last saw her--one asked if she was all right and she didn't answer. An older man and his wife were out for a Sunday drive in the country and saw a man disposing of a bloody bedsheet at an abandoned building, where this lady was found murdered. The husband wrote a note reading, "I know the Lord said vengeance is mine but sometimes the Lord is too busy or looking the other way." An APB was put out on UM. When located, the man committed suicide. Wonder what happened to the kids, juveniles at the time, and how they are doing now.

Dennie Depue. In the Facebook thread, someone mentioned finding two of the daughters and they seem to be doing well today. I certainly hope so. I really shudder to think of Dennis watching his own segment before his girlfriend came home and he went to distract her. It's even creepier that he didn't change the channel or turn the TV off because he clearly wanted to hear it!

Gordon Collins.

The segment makes a strong case that the guy seen in Mexico was in fact Gordon, but the passage of time makes you wonder if he was just lost at sea.

Dennie Depue. In the Facebook thread, someone mentioned finding two of the daughters and they seem to be doing well today. I certainly hope so. I really shudder to think of Dennis watching his own segment before his girlfriend came home and he went to distract her. It's even creepier that he didn't change the channel or turn the TV off because he clearly wanted to hear it!

That's creepy, I didn't remember a girlfriend, just some problem with his wife, serious enough to want her dead.

That's creepy, I didn't remember a girlfriend, just some problem with his wife, serious enough to want her dead.
In the update you learn that Dennis Depue has been hiding out under an assumed name with a new girlfriend who had no idea who he was. He watched his own segment on UM and then told his girlfriend his mother was seriously ill and he needed to leave immediately. He distracted her from the TV by asking her to make sandwiches for his trip.

He did murder his wife after they divorced. He had custody on the weekends, but when his son didn't want to go with him and Dennis tried to force him, Marilyn intervened. Dennis "snapped" and killed her. As far as I know, he met the girlfriend sometime on the run (they never specify in the segment how they met, but the woman was innocent of any crime. She just had no clue).

Gloria Schulze rarely gets mentioned on here, although she was profiled on America's Most Wanted this year. The most recent article (http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2014/08/04/rose-marie-maher-angela-gloria-schulze/13491551/)states that she might be in Turkey, but there's been previous information that she was in Minnesota, California, or the Pacific northwest.

The deaths of Patrick Kelly, Jayson Artis and Mario Amado don't get discussed too often. Amado in all likelihood was killed by the police officer Jose Flores, and Artis's injuries seemed inconsistent with a hit and run, but the official write off of his death as an accident left his case at a standstill. Kelly's case is pretty intriguing; his death was accidental but it's still unknown why he was running, why he went to Tijuana or the identity of the man who was with him (on the surveillance video).

Gloria Schulze rarely gets mentioned on here, although she was profiled on America's Most Wanted this year. The most recent article (http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2014/08/04/rose-marie-maher-angela-gloria-schulze/13491551/)states that she might be in Turkey, but there's been previous information that she was in Minnesota, California, or the Pacific northwest.

The deaths of Patrick Kelly, Jayson Artis and Mario Amado don't get discussed too often. Amado in all likelihood was killed by the police officer Jose Flores, and Artis's injuries seemed inconsistent with a hit and run, but the official write off of his death as an accident left his case at a standstill. Kelly's case is pretty intriguing; his death was accidental but it's still unknown why he was running, why he went to Tijuana or the identity of the man who was with him (on the surveillance video).

I always assumed Jayson was killed by the Tijuana police. It's just been my gut feeling. For a segment that aired a lot, I'm surprised it's not discussed more. I feel like it aired a lot because I've picked up a catchphrase from that particular segment. Anyone else remember RS saying, "Party time in Tijuana!"

I say that all the time now. My husband only JUST figured out where I got it from.

Gloria Schulze rarely gets mentioned on here, although she was profiled on America's Most Wanted this year. The most recent article (http://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2014/08/04/rose-marie-maher-angela-gloria-schulze/13491551/)states that she might be in Turkey, but there's been previous information that she was in Minnesota, California, or the Pacific northwest.

Gloria Schulze was profiled on the show numerous times (I believe she was shown on the last episode ever aired, which I recorded), but it's been several years since AMW has been on the air, so it couldn't have been from earlier this year.

Maria Socorro lapine. Randall utter back. Someone once came on here defending him?

Randall utter back. Someone once came on here defending him?
Several people, in fact. That thread is all kinds of crazy. A poster claiming to be his sister posted a few times. Another poster said he was Randall's son (not with Denise). Others claimed UM "exaggerated." :rolleyes: Some tried to discredit Denise and stated that Randall didn't do anything wrong.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=143358

Several people, in fact. That thread is all kinds of crazy. A poster claiming to be his sister posted a few times. Another poster said he was Randall's son (not with Denise). Others claimed UM "exaggerated." :rolleyes: Some tried to discredit Denise and stated that Randall didn't do anything wrong.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=143358

I used to scoff at the people defending him, but now that I think about it, they were probably only hearing his side of the story.

How about Robert Weeks, the first UM fugitive who was ever captured? Since he was sent to prison, there really isn't much to talk about, but it's still a fascinating story. The guy is a serial killer believed to be responsible for the deaths of three women and his business partner, but none of the bodies have ever been found.

What's bizarre about this case is that, quite frankly, I find it amazing that they were able to get a conviction on this guy. I don't think Weeks was innocent by any means, but there were no bodies and no physical evidence against him. From my research, the prosecution's entire case hinged on eyewitness testimony that all these women disappeared after agreeing to go on dinner dates with Weeks and that they were all fearful of him. However, there was no real damning evidence that any murders had taken place.

The verdict just seemed pretty surprising, as "murder-without-a-body" convictions were a lot rarer during the 1980s. Hell, at the time, I'd say the case against Mark Nichols was probably a lot stronger than the case against Robert Weeks, but the former was never charged since no body was found.

How about Robert Weeks, the first UM fugitive who was ever captured? Since he was sent to prison, there really isn't much to talk about, but it's still a fascinating story. The guy is a serial killer believed to be responsible for the deaths of three women and his business partner, but none of the bodies have ever been found.

What's bizarre about this case is that, quite frankly, I find it amazing that they were able to get a conviction on this guy. I don't think Weeks was innocent by any means, but there were no bodies and no physical evidence against him. From my research, the prosecution's entire case hinged on eyewitness testimony that all these women disappeared after agreeing to go on dinner dates with Weeks and that they were all fearful of him. However, there was no real damning evidence that any murders had taken place.

The verdict just seemed pretty surprising, as "murder-without-a-body" convictions were a lot rarer during the 1980s. Hell, at the time, I'd say the case against Mark Nichols was probably a lot stronger than the case against Robert Weeks, but the former was never charged since no body was found.

I think that's a really good example. I still don't understand why the D.A. just didn't move forward without a body in the Nichols case. I think Mark would've been absolutely convicted, and now I'm not so sure that will ever happen.

Several people, in fact. That thread is all kinds of crazy. A poster claiming to be his sister posted a few times. Another poster said he was Randall's son (not with Denise). Others claimed UM "exaggerated." :rolleyes: Some tried to discredit Denise and stated that Randall didn't do anything wrong.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=143358
Haha yeah now I remember. And I stand corrected apparently that segment got a lot of discussion. I knew that I commented in it and in fact said something dumb. but I didn't realize how many people were defending him. I wonder if he read through it himself? I love this forum.

Tracey Wofford-Bunn. Solved in 2005, not a whole lot of discussion on the board about it since around 2007.

Tracey Wofford-Bunn. Solved in 2005, not a whole lot of discussion on the board about it since around 2007.
Yes, this is a really tragic case. I'm glad the killer has been identified, but it's unfortunate that he never paid for the crime. I hope that her family, including her sister who was interviewed in the segment, feel a little better knowing the truth. Several things still bug me. What did he burn her with? Did she know him at all or did he just grab her when she was walking back to her car? I'd like to know if the guy was one of the suspected drug dealers mentioned in the segment, but haven't seen any information about that.

Another case not really talked about is the ashes on Santa Cruz island. This case is baffling but with the doctor dead, it seems unlikely that any information will be uncovered.

Yes, this is a really tragic case. I'm glad the killer has been identified, but it's unfortunate that he never paid for the crime. I hope that her family, including her sister who was interviewed in the segment, feel a little better knowing the truth. Several things still bug me. What did he burn her with? Did she know him at all or did he just grab her when she was walking back to her car? I'd like to know if the guy was one of the suspected drug dealers mentioned in the segment, but haven't seen any information about that.

This was a memorable case. I always had a feeling that Tracy's car was simply left in a bad part of town and it was a crime of opportunity. But I'd love to get the answers to your questions.

Tracy's sister Danielle was always one of my favorite interviewee's. She seemed like a level headed and nice person.

Tracy's sister Danielle was always one of my favorite interviewee's. She seemed like a level headed and nice person.

+1

Tracey Wofford-Bunn. Solved in 2005, not a whole lot of discussion on the board about it since around 2007.

I always thought it was odd that the cops automatically assumed drugs and the boyfriend's involvement somehow. I never got that vibe from the segment.

Ann Coracelli and Lena Marie Wilson. Lena got arrested but the charges against Ann were dropped. Who knows, she might still be out there scamming people under our noses.

Liza freaking Montgomery. Shopping spree + joyride + looking like a knockoff Stacey Q + her eventual arrest. Hopefully she learned not to commit fraud ever again.

I just saw the Laura Law/Michael Tlusty case for the first time in years and only the second time in my life. It's a creepy and intriguing case, but there has barely ever been any discussion on it. I guess it's understandable...there was really only one suspect and she has long since been apprehended and imprisoned. That being said, there is something so eerie about a murderer staying close to the victim's family and "keeping them alive" by fabricating stories about them that I'd think the creep factor alone would have made this segment more popular. The Joe and Gladys Owens case followed the same trajectory, and that is a pretty heavily discussed case on here.

I just saw the Laura Law/Michael Tlusty case for the first time in years and only the second time in my life. It's a creepy and intriguing case, but there has barely ever been any discussion on it. I guess it's understandable...there was really only one suspect and she has long since been apprehended and imprisoned. That being said, there is something so eerie about a murderer staying close to the victim's family and "keeping them alive" by fabricating stories about them that I'd think the creep factor alone would have made this segment more popular. The Joe and Gladys Owens case followed the same trajectory, and that is a pretty heavily discussed case on here.

I was very intrigued by that one as well...always astonished to find to little about it on here.

Also the one with the house fire and the children dying due to the burglar bars.

The Richard Minns/Barbara Piotrowski case is a strange one (this is the woman who was shot and paralysed - allegedly on the orders of her middle aged bodybuilder ex) - I think you can argue its not really even a mystery....unless I'm very much mistaken, there was no mystery as to where Minns was at the time the segment went to air (Switzerland) or that he'd changed his name, it was just that the cops (bizarrely) had declined to interview him or hold him as a suspect in the shooting - there was certainly an enforceable extradition treaty between the US and Switzerland when the segment was on.

Really odd segment, even by old skool UM standards...very lengthy dramatisations about the ups and downs of their relationship, extremely long interview excerpts with Piotrowski, and a long bit at the end about her triumphant (partial) recovery and romance with the doctor who treated her.... it was more like a movie of the week than a regular UM story!

The Richard Minns/Barbara Piotrowski case is a strange one (this is the woman who was shot and paralysed - allegedly on the orders of her middle aged bodybuilder ex) - I think you can argue its not really even a mystery....unless I'm very much mistaken, there was no mystery as to where Minns was at the time the segment went to air (Switzerland) or that he'd changed his name, it was just that the cops (bizarrely) had declined to interview him or hold him as a suspect in the shooting - there was certainly an enforceable extradition treaty between the US and Switzerland when the segment was on.

Really odd segment, even by old skool UM standards...very lengthy dramatisations about the ups and downs of their relationship, extremely long interview excerpts with Piotrowski, and a long bit at the end about her triumphant (partial) recovery and romance with the doctor who treated her.... it was more like a movie of the week than a regular UM story!

That was also one of the most repeated segments I've ever seen when they aired reruns on Lifetime.

I just saw the Laura Law/Michael Tlusty case for the first time in years and only the second time in my life. It's a creepy and intriguing case, but there has barely ever been any discussion on it. I guess it's understandable...there was really only one suspect and she has long since been apprehended and imprisoned. That being said, there is something so eerie about a murderer staying close to the victim's family and "keeping them alive" by fabricating stories about them that I'd think the creep factor alone would have made this segment more popular. The Joe and Gladys Owens case followed the same trajectory, and that is a pretty heavily discussed case on here.

I used to work at the prison that Laura Law is sentenced to. You can find the most recent photo of her using Wisconsin's offender locator:

https://appsdoc.wi.gov/lop/home.do

I didn't read through all eight pages but one that I will add is "William Toomey." There were so many dead ends in that case that there was nowhere to go. It always stuck with me because the man took his life in a church before Mass. Being a lifelong Catholic, I could identify (if I got to that point) with a church being a place of comfort when all else seems hopeless.
A much earlier poster made the point about the earliest seasons containing the most memorable cases. I can agree. I love the show but watched less and less as the show got into the mid- to late-90s because by then, I was a teenager working a handful of nights a week and once I got to college, I didn't have much time to watch the show (and didn't care all that much for Keely Shaye Smith and Virginia Madsen as co-hosts either).
I didn't reconnect with it until I watched reruns on Lifetime in the early 2000s.

I didn't read through all eight pages but one that I will add is "William Toomey." There were so many dead ends in that case that there was nowhere to go. It always stuck with me because the man took his life in a church before Mass. Being a lifelong Catholic, I could identify (if I got to that point) with a church being a place of comfort when all else seems hopeless.
A much earlier poster made the point about the earliest seasons containing the most memorable cases. I can agree. I love the show but watched less and less as the show got into the mid- to late-90s because by then, I was a teenager working a handful of nights a week and once I got to college, I didn't have much time to watch the show (and didn't care all that much for Keely Shaye Smith and Virginia Madsen as co-hosts either).
I didn't reconnect with it until I watched reruns on Lifetime in the early 2000s.

This is one that I suspect will be solved, at least partially in the relatively near future. This should be an imminently solvable case with DNA. We have this guy, we don't know who it is.. Slap his DNA profile up and see how close it gets you.

One I thought of yesterday when I was listening to segments on my commute home (which I do from time to time): Rafael Camarena, the drug smuggler who built a tunnel from underneath the pool table in his home in Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico to a warehouse at his concrete-mixing business in Douglas, AZ. Eventually he was found in a Mexican prison several years after disappearing from the U.S. and after serving a sentence for drug-related convictions there was extradited here to be tried and subsequently served time for the Arizona stuff. Pretty cut-and-dried.

I did a little under half of year of training in that part of Arizona. Nobody stationed at Huachuca was allowed to visit either Douglas nor Agua Prieta by order of the post commander.

Sort of random, but I always wondered what happened with the situation the family went to the police station to resolve in the first place. The mother of Mule's victim indicated that they went to the police station to report a neighborhood boy who had been harassing her daughter. I just wonder what this guy was doing that was worthy of police attention. To be sure, it must have been serious. Still, I wonder what was up with that. It wasn't really addressed again after Mule came in to the picture, which is understandable.

Depressing:

https://www.newspapers.com/image/?spot=14198856

Seems like the Michael Scott Martin case doesn’t get much discussion on here. The fact that he got a life sentence for allegedly robbing a gas station, meanwhile 1st degree murderers get out after 10 years in some cases just seems ridiculous regardless of his guilt or not.

Seems like the Michael Scott Martin case doesn’t get much discussion on here. The fact that he got a life sentence for allegedly robbing a gas station, meanwhile 1st degree murderers get out after 10 years in some cases just seems ridiculous regardless of his guilt or not.

Michael Scott Martin agrees. I mean this is ridiculous

Came here after watching the 'Stanton Bones' (Santa Cruz Island) segment. Didn't want to dig up any old threads, but am surprised there's nothing else out on the web about this one.

Seems like the Michael Scott Martin case doesn’t get much discussion on here. The fact that he got a life sentence for allegedly robbing a gas station, meanwhile 1st degree murderers get out after 10 years in some cases just seems ridiculous regardless of his guilt or not.

Yeah, I mean Charles Mule gets 14 years and gets out in seven for his crimes. Gregory Webb got 7-18 and gets out after eight. Martin gets convicted of armed robbery (with no actual physical evidence) and gets a life with parole after 20? Come on. I'd like someone in the justice system to justify child rapists and murderers getting lighter sentences than someone who MAY have committed an armed robbery.

I realize that part of it is because they actually pled guilty, but seriously. The fact you're admitting to these crimes shouldn't automatically get you a lighter sentence, just because you're making the court system's job easier.

Yeah, I mean Charles Mule gets 14 years and gets out in seven for his crimes. Gregory Webb got 7-18 and gets out after eight. Martin gets convicted of armed robbery (with no actual physical evidence) and gets a life with parole after 20? Come on. I'd like someone in the justice system to justify child rapists and murderers getting lighter sentences than someone who MAY have committed an armed robbery.

I realize that part of it is because they actually pled guilty, but seriously. The fact you're admitting to these crimes shouldn't automatically get you a lighter sentence, just because you're making the court system's job easier.

Where did the other two cases take place? Martin's was in Texas, which may explain some of it. I agree his prison sentence was excessive when compared to what the other two received given their offenses were more serious.

I also agree that a guilty plea should not get you a lighter sentence.

Where did the other two cases take place? Martin's was in Texas, which may explain some of it. I agree his prison sentence was excessive when compared to what the other two received given their offenses were more serious.

I also agree that a guilty plea should bot get you a lighter sentence.


Mule was in Louisiana, and Webb was Nebraska.

I mean, I can see a guilty plea getting you a lighter sentence if it's something minor...but not things like rape, murder, etc.


https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Charles_Mule

https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Greg_Webb

Mule was in Louisiana, and Webb was Nebraska.

I mean, I can see a guilty plea getting you a lighter sentence if it's something minor...but not things like rape, murder, etc.


https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Charles_Mule

https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Greg_Webb

I didn't realize Mule was Mulet (the wrong spelling according to the link). That guy was a creep and I remember his case well. I forgot Webb was the police chief who murdered his girlfriend. I'm sorry I forgot that case was in Nebraska.

I think the only "mysterious part" of the Bonnie Haim segment is how her own father was the biggest defender of Michael's innocence (whereas Michael's own relatives seemed to believed he was guilty). The fact that the father was willing to go to bat for him initially made me think there might have been information left out which pointed to Michael's innocence, but over the years, I think he eventually came to believe Michael was responsible.

He may have been in denial that his daughter was dead. As long as he supported Michael and she wasn't found, in his mind, Bonnie was still with them instead of being in the back yard.

He may have been in denial that his daughter was dead. As long as he supported Michael and she wasn't found, in his mind, Bonnie was still with them instead of being in the back yard.

Understandable, especially at the time the segment was filmed.

What I don't understand today is why Bonnie's mother still feels that Michael is innocent. I read online last year that's how she feels and she was pretty much the only family member who wasn't rejoicing over Michael's conviction.

The murder of Jeanne Molina. The police pretty much know 100% that Carlos Berdeja did it and that he more than likely fled to Mexico.

The creepy 10 missing persons roll call doesn't get a lot of discussion on here, but I have seen a few threads about the two hunters who were killed. All of those cases are really sad, and I believe that case is the only "solved" one, although no remains have been found. I believe the only other person on that list who was found is John Simmons, but no one has been charged with his killing. :( There's really little to discuss on most of the cases since there isn't a lot of information out there. I'm not sure why, but David Thies' disappearance creeps me out a lot simply because we know so little.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:Michael Scott Martin agrees. I mean this is ridiculous

I think that one of the most underrated segments is the murder of O'Neal Moore. Doesn't get much discussion because the odds that his killer/s are still alive are very slim.

I think that one of the most underrated segments is the murder of O'Neal Moore. Doesn't get much discussion because the odds that his killer/s are still alive are very slim.

That case always ticked me off. I feel like it should have been solvable, even like 30 years later, but I think this will never be solved.

That case always ticked me off. I feel like it should have been solvable, even like 30 years later, but I think this will never be solved.

I think there is a pretty good chance it was Ernest Ray McElveen. He was arrested in a similar truck the night of the murder and was a known klan member. He died in 2003 so it will likely never be proven but its not as if their were no good suspects at all. Even if it wasn't him you know it was likely someone else from the klan. It was just the way of the times, no doubt a dark stain on our history.