I came across this story today:

http://www.wmctv.com/story/23873948/bank-robbery-so-quiet-shoppers-didnt-notice

And thought the tale of the "Risky Business Bandit" near Memphis, TN would be great for a modern-day UM.

*sigh*

Perhaps we can start a thread with current or very recent mysteries/unsolved crimes/disappearances that would be great to share with fellow UM fanatics? :D

Perhaps we can start a thread with current or very recent mysteries/unsolved crimes/disappearances that would be great to share with fellow UM fanatics? :D

Why not start our OWN UM? :)

We could have CrystalDawn be "live in our call center." I don't know who would be RS...perhaps we could hold auditions amongst the board members :)

I'm not being snarky...I'm serious. We obviously couldn't call it UM, but who better to create a new, (properly) updated version of the show we love so much than the ones who love it?

The Elisa Lam case is very recent and has been getting some buzz. Very bizarre case:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mysterious-case-elisa-lam/

There is more info available on the web with a simple search.

Casey Anthony, however I am not sure that is considered a mystery

The Elisa Lam case is very recent and has been getting some buzz. Very bizarre case:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mysterious-case-elisa-lam/

There is more info available on the web with a simple search.

Although this article strays a bit off topic, this would be a very compelling case and one I'd be anxious to see.

That Elisa Lam stuff is strange, especially at about 1:50 of the video what she is doing with her hands, thats nightmare type stuff

Although there has been a conviction and this case has been "solved." I think Chandra Levy's alleged murder would be a solid segment on Unsolved Mysteries.

Elisa Lam took this picture a few weeks before her trip. I find it kind of creepy.

Elisa Lam took this picture a few weeks before her trip. I find it kind of creepy.

Whoa! Imagine if this case took place some years ago and was given the original Robert Stack UM treatment...:eek:

There are several cases on Disappeared that would work, but if you held my feet to the fire and made me pick just one, I think the McStay Family Disappearance would make for a great UM segment.

There are several cases on Disappeared that would work, but if you held my feet to the fire and made me pick just one, I think the McStay Family Disappearance would make for a great UM segment.

Yeah, the McStay disappearance is creepy....definitely UM worthy. Elisa Lam, too....super spooky. Good thoughts, guys!

One case I really wanted to see on UM...that was definitely UM worthy...was the case of The Doodler. He was a guy who would frequent gay bars and he would do a charcoal sketch of the victim he selected, often using the sketch as a reason to engage in conversation with the person. Then he would leave the bar with them and stab them to death. He had about 10 murder victims, and two or three survived and ID'd the killer to police!....BUT, because one surviving victim was a celebrity, and the other a politician or someone important, no one was willing to testify out of fear of "outing" themselves. The cops had the guy and he made many incriminating statements, but never an admission of guilt and they had to let him walk. There is hardly any info on the case, even on the net. I think if UM had aired the case more tips might have come in, and the case might have been solved, rather than seemingly "hidden" or "buried".

I live in Ontario, Canada, and grew up in a small town, and there are three VERY creepy unsolved murder/disappearance cases that are definitely UM worthy. One of them involved a woman who was murdered in a gas station/restaurant she owned, brutally gutted and eyes cut out. A guy confessed to a family member of mine that he was there, and that the police know he was there as he told them, but he was 16 at the time and given a wrist slap because he was basically in the wrong place at the wrong time. The actual killer was never charged due to lack of evidence (cops apparently know who he is), and then he apparently moved to Alberta or BC. Super creepy small town story that has been long forgotten since the 70s.

there are a lot of similar threads on this subject. As far as CURRENT mysteries go, definitely the Smiley Face Killer Theory, which states that there is a serial killer responsible for the many strange drownings of college males. To my knowledge, this hasn't been profiled on any show, please correct me if I'm wrong.

And I also want an investigation into actor Johnny Lewis's death. What the media told was that Johnny killed the old lady and her cat, then accidentally fell to his death, and that's it. I feel there is WAY more to the story than that. First of all, I watched a program last week where one of the witnesses said he broke a bench on Johnny's head and had intended to kill them, then watched him intentionally leap to his death. (that last part about the leaping sounds messed up). There are also reports going around that Johnny himself was strangled.

What wasn't reported by the media (and I learned this from Johnny's father, whom I've communicated with) was that Johnny did have some mental problems after being in motorcycle accident (not his fault) and being beat to a bloody pulp behind bars (also not his fault). And contrary to popular belief, there was no alcohol or drugs in his system. What happened to the old lady and her cat was horrible, but I think there is more to the story and Johnny was not some guy who was evil his entire life. He needed mental help and didn't get it.

I'm too scared to even watch that Elisa Lam video after seeing that photo posted above.

The video of Elisa Lam is interesting, but I don't think it's very mysterious. To me, it's obvious all of the hand gestures and movements were her attempts to get the elevator door to close as she figured it wasn't recognizing someone was in there. The door stayed open for several minutes. This happens all the time at my hotel. Many guests don't realize the doors are locked at night, and they try to wave their hands to get the doors to open, not realizing that doesn't work, and you have to use your key or have somebody let you in.

I'll have to research her death though.

The video of Elisa Lam is interesting, but I don't think it's very mysterious. To me, it's obvious all of the hand gestures and movements were her attempts to get the elevator door to close as she figured it wasn't recognizing someone was in there. The door stayed open for several minutes.

This is exactly what I thought, upon seeing the video. She's waving her hand inside the doorway, at one point. It's obvious she's trying to activate a motion sensor. or trying to find one.

As for her death being an accident? I am completely unconvinced. There is no way I believe that, at this point.

Thanks for the replies guys! I've researched the Elisa Lam case and it's just WEIRD. Accidental death, are you kidding me?? And that elevator video is just odd (I think she's on drugs or playing some weird hide-and-seek-type game w/o someone out of sight...possibly both...)

Another perfect-for-UM case that's very recent: the 2 mysterious deaths at the mansion in Coronado, California (Rebecca Zahau case)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-woman-nude-body-found-hanging-claims-murdered-article-1.1398809

I've always said the Ryan Ferguson case would have been a great Final Appeal story for UM and thankfully, he has just gotten his conviction vacated and is likely going to be released soon:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57610762-504083/ryan-ferguson-update-conviction-vacated-for-mo-man-jailed-nearly-10-years-for-murder-he-says-he-didnt-commit/

But now that Ferguson has been exonerated, I would have loved for UM to do a segment to help figure out who the real murderer of Kent Heitholt is.

And here's a great candidate for one of UM's "suspicious death" stories: a young black man supposedly shoots himself in the back of a patrol car with his hands cuffed behind his back, using a gun the cops somehow managed to miss when they searched him :rolleyes: :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Chavis_Carter

The Elisa Lam video looks like something out of a modern horror movie. Nothing really seems to happen but the door that won't close until she leaves and her going in and out appearing scared, along with the fuzzy video is very eerie and unnerving. The selfie pic is also creepy too, like the self portrait of Patricia Meehan.

I think The Long Island Serial Killer case would have been perfect for UM. They really would have done it justice.

Why not start our OWN UM? :)

We could have CrystalDawn be "live in our call center." I don't know who would be RS...perhaps we could hold auditions amongst the board members :)

I'm not being snarky...I'm serious. We obviously couldn't call it UM, but who better to create a new, (properly) updated version of the show we love so much than the ones who love it?


I would be down for a reenactment or 2... If I was independently wealthy I would so fund this...

:eek: at that Elisa Lam video, something not quite right going on there...


This is a strange one, don't know if it's ever been discussed: woman commits suicide and it's later discovered that she was living under a stolen identity and nobody knows who she truly was.http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021243552_janedoexml.html

I've always said the Ryan Ferguson case would have been a great Final Appeal story for UM and thankfully, he has just gotten his conviction vacated and is likely going to be released soon:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57610762-504083/ryan-ferguson-update-conviction-vacated-for-mo-man-jailed-nearly-10-years-for-murder-he-says-he-didnt-commit/

But now that Ferguson has been exonerated, I would have loved for UM to do a segment to help figure out who the real murderer of Kent Heitholt is.

Sounds like Boyd is responsible. Missouri has quite a track record for sending innocent people behind bars. Their juries are as bad as Florida's.

There's also the extremely baffling 2010 disappearance of the McStay family:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mcstay_summer.html

The 2011 disappearance of Timmothy Pitzen would also be perfect for UM:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pitzen_timmothy.html

And I also want an investigation into actor Johnny Lewis's death. What the media told was that Johnny killed the old lady and her cat, then accidentally fell to his death, and that's it. I feel there is WAY more to the story than that.

I saw a segment on Lewis's death on the E! channel the other night and it was extremely mysterious. I remember the segment ended and I was like, huh? So what happened, exactly?? Very weird...

This one is rather troubling, I hope they find this young girl that recently disappeared on her way to school in Wisconsin:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57611536-504083/kathryn-stalbaum-missing-wis-girl-15-disappears-on-bike-ride-to-school-police-say/

The 2011 disappearance of Timmothy Pitzen would also be perfect for UM:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pitzen_timmothy.html

This case was profiled on the pilot for a show called "Taken" hosted by Elizabeth Smart. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the series was ever picked up, I think it would have been a good replacement for "Disappeared" if in fact that had been cancelled. I do have the episode.

Just watched the Elisa Lam video. I don't think there's much unexplainable stuff there. I do think some of her gestures are strange, but of course they are--there's no sound. To me it appeared as though she were speaking to someone else off-camera for a moment, but there's really no telling.

Elisa Lam seems to have had an acute schizophrenic like breakdown. I followed it from the beginning, including the weird skid row conspiracy theories about TB. I honestly believe the only threat to her shown anywhere was in her own mind.

Necco -- I agree with you on Elisa Lam. I think she had a mental break/episode. To her, whatever she was doing was the right thing to do. Pressing the buttons in the elevator, getting in and out and finally leaving to her taking off her clothes to 'go swimming", all that in her mind was what she was suppose to be doing.


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I kinda believe that there is a Smiley Face Killer(s), it's just so odd all those young men turn up dead in water. I also think there is more then just one, not a cult like some believe but perhaps two working together to lure and kill the young men. It's hard to fathom that they all died the same way but it was all an accident.

I still don't think the Elisa Lam video is mysterious. Another reason I feel that way is because for Elisa, she's in a new country, presumably one she has not visited before. She probably wasn't familiar with American customs, etc. If her actions on the elevator are mysterious, I think they can be chalked up to her feeling trapped in one area because the elevator does not move. I really didn't get the sense there was someone stalking her, or whatever. If she was being stalked she would have been pressing the buttons more furiously, and wouldn't have exited the elevator at all.

I also see that some reports say the elevator footage occurred a few minutes before her death. I wonder about that. We don't know what time she died, nor do we know what time she disappeared. I don't know how they can come to that conclusion.

I do, however, find it odd she was found dead where she was. Being in a locked, employee only area with an alarm sort of screams someone at the hotel being responsible.

There's also the extremely baffling 2010 disappearance of the McStay family:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mcstay_summer.html

The 2011 disappearance of Timmothy Pitzen would also be perfect for UM:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pitzen_timmothy.html

Now that I have a husband & child, I find the stories about missing families intriguing, and frightening, since children are involved. I saw the Disappeared episode on the McStay's as well as the Jamieson's and really hope they are alive and living under the radar somewhere, but the evidence left behind is so conflicting I don't know what to think.

Given some of the famous airplane stories from UM, I thought this would be a fitting candidate for the thread:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/tag/delvonte-tisdale/

Delvonte Tisdale. How could someone fall from an AIRPLANE and land in a populated suburb without some frenzy?

This link gives several stories from a Boston affiliate, but with just a simple web search, you'll find more. I remember watching this on the news, thinking it should be more publicized, but like many mind boggling stories, they fade away...

I think the only mystery with Delvonte Tisdale is why he would do such a thing? UM aired a similar case, but that's because the person was unknown. Here the person is known, and there wasn't a case of foul play or anything.

I vote for Kane to be the second coming of Robert Stack, with Crystaldawn manning the phones. :)

I would love to know what in the hell happened to Joe Pichler. Child actor, in the Beethoven movies, played James Van Der Beek's brother in Varsity Blues. Disappeared without a trace in the Tri-Cities area in Washington.

I vote for Kane to be the second coming of Robert Stack, with Crystaldawn manning the phones. :)

Shouldn't that be "womanning?" :lol:

Not a current story, but I'd like to see the Lyon sisters disappearance featured. They were the two sisters who went missing from Wheaton Mall in Maryland back in the 1970s. Never found.

Update! The mcStays have been found.

Norcal rapist would be a good one - they have enough info that it seems like it would have a high chance of success.

Update! The mcStays have been found.

Ho-lee crap. This is going to be BIG news.

Ho-lee crap. This is going to be BIG news.

WOW. What a year 2013.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-victorville-bodies-mcstay-families-20131114,0,5975246.story#axzz2kjehWzDB

I never really believed that surveillance footage that supposedly showed the McStays heading into Mexico. Basically, it was an adult holding the hand of a child, then behind that another adult holding the hand of another child. It looked like 2 separate pairs of people to me, not a group of four. Had it been a group of four, they would have walked more closely together I think.

Who would want to kill 2 children, not to mention the parents? Wasn't it believed by most that they voluntarily disappeared? Police need to go after their killer hard now.

Web Sleuths is all over it. They were saying its them from the time the bodies were found, I was more skeptical. But I've been on the fence about the mc stays from the start. But I'm glad for their families they've been found.

Well I'll be damned, I really thought it was a possibility that the McStays headed to Mexico. I wonder what really did happen.

Wow, we've certainly had a lot of major cases get closure this year, including:

-the discovery of Wendy Camp, Cynthia Britto & Lisa Kreagar
-the identification of Baby Hope
-the arrested of the man who murdered the missing Uden family
-the release of Ryan Ferguson from prison
-the discovery of Hailey Dunn's remains

And now the discovery of the McStay family, which is easily the most baffling mystery of the past several years, IMHO. Of course, there are still a LOT of questions to be answered here about what exactly happened.

-the arrested of the man who murdered the missing Uden family.

Wow, I had no idea about that. I had mentioned that case in the Charley Project stories thread. Horrible that he killed his two children as well as the ex-wife. Hope he gets the book thrown at him. Thanks for the info.

Wow @ the McStays!!!! What a bizarre disappearance. As wiseguy said earlier, I, too, never really believed it was them crossing the border. It just didn't seem to fit, at least to me, and I also thought it looked like two separate adults with two separate children. So now the question arises - if it is 100% them, who killed them and what was the motive?

Interesting how many cases have been solved this year....all of the ones that RobinW already mentioned above, plus the missing girls that Castro guy held for all those years, and of course the conviction Jodi Arias.

I agree with Rebecca Zahue or Napala or whatever her proper last name is. That case just stinks to high heaven. I think the brother did it.

The disappearances of Maura Murray and Michael Negrete would both be good cases for UM to profile. Although Maura's family doesn't seem to want publicity at times.

As for weird/unexplained phenomena, the Dyatlov Pass Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident) would make a great segment.

I think MegtheEgg would be great as the correspondent for the Tennessee (and surrounding areas) stories.

Keeping you up-to-date on all the latest mysteriousness from the Volunteer State!

I never really believed that surveillance footage that supposedly showed the McStays heading into Mexico. Basically, it was an adult holding the hand of a child, then behind that another adult holding the hand of another child. It looked like 2 separate pairs of people to me, not a group of four. Had it been a group of four, they would have walked more closely together I think.

That's a good point I never even considered before.

What on earth happened to those poor people? :(

The disappearances of Maura Murray and Michael Negrete would both be good cases for UM to profile. Although Maura's family doesn't seem to want publicity at times.

As for weird/unexplained phenomena, the Dyatlov Pass Incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident) would make a great segment.

After reading the wiki article, it seems pretty cut and dry to me that it was an avalanche. I definitely don't buy the wild theories that it was a supernatural/alien occurence, nor do I believe there were murderers lurking out in the horrible snowy conditions. I don't think there's a mystery there.

I know Michael Negerte is discussed very heavily on the boards, but it seems non-descript to me.

I also think neither of them qualifies as current, especially with the one having occured more than 50 years ago.

Wow @ the McStays!!!! What a bizarre disappearance. As wiseguy said earlier, I, too, never really believed it was them crossing the border. It just didn't seem to fit, at least to me, and I also thought it looked like two separate adults with two separate children. So now the question arises - if it is 100% them, who killed them and what was the motive?

yeah, as much as I credit the investigators for effort, it's impossible to tell anything from that dark, grainy footage.

After reading the wiki article, it seems pretty cut and dry to me that it was an avalanche.

An avalanche wouldn't leave terrible radiation burns on a person

I know Michael Negerte is discussed very heavily on the boards, but it seems non-descript to me.

I also think neither of them qualifies as current, especially with the one having occured more than 50 years ago.

OK; sorry I said anything.

Looks like we might be able to add the Jamison family to this years list too. The bodies of two adults and a child have been found approx two miles from where their truck was found. Family has been contacted and awaiting official ID.

Looks like we might be able to add the Jamison family to this years list too. The bodies of two adults and a child have been found approx two miles from where their truck was found. Family has been contacted and awaiting official ID.

OMG! First the McStay family, now (possibly) the Jamisons?

WOW.

Looks like we might be able to add the Jamison family to this years list too. The bodies of two adults and a child have been found approx two miles from where their truck was found. Family has been contacted and awaiting official ID.

HOLY CRAP! There hasn't been much news coverage about this yet, but here you go:
http://www.okcfox.com/story/23993567/osbi-investigating-three-bodies-discovered-in-pittsburg-county?

I know it's not official yet, but, man, what are the odds that two disappearances of entire families - two of the most baffling mysteries of recent years - could both be solved within a few days of each other?!

Not only that, but the release of Ryan Ferguson and the long-awaited murder indictment of Ed Carter also took place this same week. WHAT ELSE IS GONNA HAPPEN?! :eek:

Maybe we could give Grateful Doe his name back... Wouldn't that be awesome!

OMG! First the McStay family, now (possibly) the Jamisons?

WOW.

Holy crap! The Jamisons were from Oklahoma.....wonder if they were found on a property that Ida Pruitt once owned???? :p

I know it's not official yet, but, man, what are the odds that two disappearances of entire families - two of the most baffling mysteries of recent years - could both be solved within a few days of each other?!

There's also the Uden family, although their remains haven't been found yet. Two suspects were arrested a few weeks ago. I read that their remains were believed to be placed in barrells and thrown in the deepest lake in Wyoming, so they might not be turning up anytime soon.

btw, I was reading about how the killer had the cajones to ask Virginia to bring the rifle that he would use to kill her and her 2 sons. Revolting.

HOLY CRAP! There hasn't been much news coverage about this yet, but here you go:
http://www.okcfox.com/story/23993567/osbi-investigating-three-bodies-discovered-in-pittsburg-county?

I know it's not official yet, but, man, what are the odds that two disappearances of entire families - two of the most baffling mysteries of recent years - could both be solved within a few days of each other?!

Not only that, but the release of Ryan Ferguson and the long-awaited murder indictment of Ed Carter also took place this same week. WHAT ELSE IS GONNA HAPPEN?! :eek:
I'm at work and am literally trying not to cheer at reading that Ed Carter has finally been indicted!! This is wonderful news!

I have chills right now. When I read about the McStays being found last night, I thought of the Jamisons too and wondered when they would be found. Coming on here and getting such big pieces of news is unbelievable. It really is unfortunate that these two familes were not found alive (if we are correct in our assumptions that these remains belong to them) but I really hope finding them will give their families some peace and hopefully soon after, some answers.

A bit OT, but to give you another idea about what an INSANE year it's been for solving mysteries, way back in September, there were two separate cases in the SAME WEEK of submerged cars being found in water which both contained the remains of teenagers who had been missing since the early 1970s!

http://www.newson6.com/story/23456704/skeletal-remains-of-five-people-pulled-from-lake-in-custer-county

http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/car-found-in-union-county-connected-to-missing-girls-case/?id=153600

Oh, BTW, one of those cases was also from Oklahoma. Just watch, next thing you know, Aileen Conway's death is going to be solved right out of the blue!

A bit OT, but to give you another idea about what an INSANE year it's been for solving mysteries, way back in September, there were two separate cases in the SAME WEEK of submerged cars being found in water which both contained the remains of teenagers who had been missing since the early 1970s!

http://www.newson6.com/story/23456704/skeletal-remains-of-five-people-pulled-from-lake-in-custer-county

http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/car-found-in-union-county-connected-to-missing-girls-case/?id=153600

Oh, BTW, one of those cases was also from Oklahoma. Just watch, next thing you know, Aileen Conway's death is going to be solved right out of the blue!


I read about this one on the Charley Project blog. Great to hear there are finally answers, but sad that those poor families had to wait over 4 decades. I've read about far too many cases where people accidentally drive into water because the areas are poorly lit and docks resemble roads :( I think this is the case with quite a few of the cold cases on Charley.

Another thing coming up is the trial of Mafuz Huq! So that's another development to the list.


As for Aileen Conway, it would be astounding if that one was actually solved because it has to be one of the most baffling cases UM ever profiled. I think someone would have to confess to that one to get a solve out of it, but fingers crossed!

Wow, that's pretty amazing! So many crimes in 2012. What a year!

Here is a recent case out of Louisiana:

http://www.bayoubuzz.com/louisiana-news/baton-rouge-news/item/556434-claycut-bayou-unsolved-homicide-still-under-investigation

BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) -

The East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office continues their investigation into the homicide of Lindsay Ellixson, whose body was found in Claycut Bayou on Saturday, November 16.

Claycut Bayou is near Tiger Bend Road in East Baton Rouge Parish.

Lindsay Ellixson, 21, of Livingston Parish was found in the canal around 3 p.m. Saturday.

EBRSO Maritime and other first responders were able to retrieve Ellixson from the canal. It was later determined by the EBR Coroner that she died of blunt force trauma to the head, neck and body.

Her death is being investigated as a homicide.

In a statement released by EBRSO Friday evening, "The circumstances surrounding her death were unusually brutal and violent. Specific details related to her death will not be released at this time, due to the ongoing investigation and out of respect for her family."

EBRSO also noted that currently, there are no other homicides that are known or suspected to be similar or related to this homicide.

The investigation is ongoing.

Anyone with information about Ellixson is asked to contact the Sheriff's Office at 225-389-5000 or CrimeStoppers anonymously at 344-STOP.

A string of hit-and-runs in Florida:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/335685/3/Four-unsolved-hit-and-run-cases-in-St-Johns-County-now

ST. JOHNS COUNTY, Fla. -- On the side of Kenton Morrison Road, a little boy hugged his family members Monday.

He was Haley Smith's little brother.

"It's hard to explain to him because he doesn't understand," Bill Manning said. Her stepfather, but he said he had raised Haley for nine years. He had to hold back tears talking about her.

Haley Smith dies after hit-and-run in St. Johns County

Manning, Smith's mother, and other family gathered where the 15-year-old was hit by a car Saturday night around 8:30.

St. Johns County just installed a memorial marker Monday with her name on it at the site.

"I understand it's a process that usually takes a little longer," Jo-Lee Manning, Haley's mother said. "So that lets me know Haley was special to a lot of people."

The driver who struck Smith took off after hitting her Saturday night - and has not been found. This case is another in a string of unsolved hit and run investigations in St. Johns County in two years.

Teen killed in hit and run is third this year

Less than a mile away - an unknown driver hit Randy Miller on his bicycle on State Road 16 earlier in November. Almost a year ago exactly - Christian Schroom was riding his bike just east of the Bridge of Lions - when a car hit and killed him and left.

And before that, in 2011, Bryan Wrigley, 23, was riding his bike on County Road 214 when a pick-up truck hit him and took off.

Fatal Hit and Run Victim Identified as 23-year-old Student

"I'm baffled," Mandy Wrigley said Monday. She is Bryan Wrigley's mother who now lives in South Carolina.

She said, "Why are people driving around St. Johns County that obviously don't know how to drive or they do not care about human life?"

The billboard asking for information in her son's case still stands - pleading for help.

"It's heartbreaking. I know what these families are going through," Wrigley noted.

Haley's family has hope their teenager's mystery hit and run will be solved.

"I absolutely have hope it will be solved," her mother said. "I'm not angry."

"You can run from the law about all this," Bill Manning added, "but you can't run from God."

The St. Johns County Sheriff's Office says it did retrieve the mirror to the truck. It was found at the scene, according to Commander Chuck Mulligan. He said investigators are working to identify its make and model. Currently, the only description they have is a small, gold pick-up truck.

Here are some 2012 Charley Project cases that stood out for me. These would also fit the Charley Project stories thread, but would also fit here.

This poor young lady's family sounds horrific
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wood_brittney.html

Young man en route from San Fran to Colorado, disappears in Salt Lake City, UT. Had apparently been having mental issues and couldn't distinguish nightmares from reality. CP link doesn't state it, but the train stop was at 3 a.m.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/putnam_robin.html

not sure if I believe he got lost and succumbed to the elements, or disappeared voluntarily/committed suicide
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dutton_james.html

Very interesting cases, wiseguy! Those second two I had never even heard of, and now I want to research more. I also didn't realize that the girl in the first case had such a bizarro family life that probably had something to do with her disappearance.

A little OT but the new issue of People Magazine has the McStay mystery as their cover story.

I couldn't sleep one night and was flipping channels. I came across a show called Celebrity Crime Files on a channel called TVOne. The show showcases crimes of African-American celebrities. It was like a mini marathon this night and one case jumped out at me. It was about a basketball player named Lorenzen Wright. He was murdered in July 2010 but the circumstances of it all are pretty puzzling. The last person to see him alive was his ex-wife and mother to his 6 kids. She says she saw him leaving the house with a box of drugs and getting into an unknown person's vehicle. About 10 days after this, his body is found off a back road that he used frequently to get to his mother's house. The body was badly decomposed due to the heat and subsequent rain at the time. Because of this, there was very little evidence that the crime scene could yield. There was also a 911 call that was placed before Wright was gunned down where you can hear him saying something and then about 10 gunshots can also be heard.

There are plenty of theories to go around for the case. The segment mentioned that he was having financial trouble after leaving the NBA. He had sold two of his vehicles to a known drug dealer. Then there was also some pretty compelling evidence against his ex-wife as well. Then it could have very well been a robbery gone bad. All in all, the case I felt would be perfect for UM should it ever come back again.

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/unsolved-mystery/Content?oid=3458406

Here is a recent interesting case from Tennessee that happened in 2012:

http://charleyproject.org/cases/l/leverette_chloie.html

A 9-year-old girl and her half-brother live with their grandparents. A house fire occurs, burns the house down, and grandparents' burned remains are found...but kids' remains are not found....

Here is another interesting one: Woman has argument with husband and disappears (we've seen that before!), but oddly enough her car has disappeared along with her.

http://charleyproject.org/cases/d/dipiazza_megan.html

Here's a local one: Holly Grim. A few weeks ago, she got up, had coffee, said bye to her boyfriend as he left for work, and when he came back, she was gone. Glasses on the floor, coffee spilled, etc. and there have been no other leads or info. Very sad considering she has a stepson. (i also drive by the trailer park where it happened frequently, pretty eerie now)
http://articles.mcall.com/2013-11-29/news/mc-c-lower-macungie-missing-holly-grim-20131129_1_bus-stop-lower-macungie-township-mobile-home

Also, Kendrick Johnson. He was a 17 year old high school student, and they found him dead in the school gym, wrapped in those colored plastic mats used for gym classes and such :eek: and the case keeps getting weirder and weirder. Apparently his insides were replaced with newspaper and the school gave police chopped up security footage. Creepy as hell.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/kendrick-johnson-footage-suspicious_n_4324890.html

Yeah, the Kendrick Johnson one seems pretty suspicious. I saw a news report where the county coroner flat out refused to reopen the case and wouldn't take reporters questions about it. The entire things reeks of cover-up.

I wonder what the missing camera footage contained. Probably George Zimmerman in the area.

Yeah, the Kendrick Johnson one seems pretty suspicious. I saw a news report where the county coroner flat out refused to reopen the case and wouldn't take reporters questions about it. The entire things reeks of cover-up.

I wonder what the missing camera footage contained. Probably George Zimmerman in the area.

...and I guess that's why you're called Wiseguy. Swish!

This is a fairly recent Charley Project case (earlier this decade) that is very interesting. Involves a case that went all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, and 3 Millers, none of whom are related.

http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/miller-jenkins_isabella.html

Has the Elisa Lam case been brought up yet? That'd make a good story, for sure. If it hasn't...well, she ended up dead inside a fish tank for two weeks at a hotel until someone noticed after complaints of food going bad. Here's the bizarre last known footage of her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM

Has the Elisa Lam case been brought up yet? That'd make a good story, for sure. If it hasn't...well, she ended up dead inside a fish tank for two weeks at a hotel until someone noticed after complaints of food going bad. Here's the bizarre last known footage of her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM


Yes it has, early off in this thread. And I agree, this case has UM written a over it!

Elisa Lam - She wasn't found in a fish tank and there was nothing about food going bad. Her body was found in a potable (safe for drinking) water tank on the roof of the hotel. IIRC it was after residents complained of water pressure issues and a foul taste that the tank was inspected and she was discovered.

I absolutely agree with everyone about the Elisa Lam case being a good choice. It scares the hell out of me! Something I would want to see on a new UM would be the Haleigh Cummings case. Yes I know it was Nancy Grace/Jane Velez-Mitchell fodder just a few years ago, but it appears to have gone cold and that poor little girl has quite the mess of a family. I would hope it would help finally crack the case.

Another case that is not new in any sense of the word, and is in fact a long-standing mystery but that I would think for a great creepy UM segment would be the Bella in the Wych Elm case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_put_Bella_in_the_Wych_Elm%3F

(a case that's a little similar in the sense that it also has some people believing it's espionage related is the Isdal woman case).

Oh, and the Jane Doe suicide case is very interesting to me too. Especially because Websleuths members have been exploring the idea that maybe Jane Doe/Lori Erica Ruff was a former member of the LeBaron/Lambs of God polygamist group in hiding to try and escape blood atonement, and possibly even a daughter of Ervil "The Mormon Manson" LeBaron himself...it's an intriguing possibility.

By far one of the baffling mysteries I have ever read about are the Toynbee Tiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toynbee_tiles

They are tiles found embedded in asphalt in various parts of North and even South America that contain a similar cryptic message throughout. There is a wonderful documentary on it that may or may not have cracked the case. I highly recommend it:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1787791/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

The Lane Bryant shooting/homicides (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_Bryant_shooting)

Peter D'Agostino (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.true-crime/jFGBq6dwhCo/jo4Kj2JY1ygJ) was killed in a hammer attack, and no connection to his background has been unearthed. It's also been theorized that his murder might be linked to a similar attack on a young woman the following year: http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm?page=cases&id=11

Louise Chaput's (http://doj.nh.gov/media-center/press-releases/2011/20111122-chaput-homicide.htm)case is similar to Judy Smith's.

A cold DNA hit links a double homicide and a thwarted attack on the same day to a homicide in another state 8 years prior: http://www.kfvs12.com/story/7878801/kathy-sweeney-investigates-the-scherer-murders

I absolutely agree with everyone about the Elisa Lam case being a good choice. It scares the hell out of me! Something I would want to see on a new UM would be the Haleigh Cummings case. Yes I know it was Nancy Grace/Jane Velez-Mitchell fodder just a few years ago, but it appears to have gone cold and that poor little girl has quite the mess of a family. I would hope it would help finally crack the case.

Another case that is not new in any sense of the word, and is in fact a long-standing mystery but that I would think for a great creepy UM segment would be the Bella in the Wych Elm case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_put_Bella_in_the_Wych_Elm%3F

(a case that's a little similar in the sense that it also has some people believing it's espionage related is the Isdal woman case).

Oh, and the Jane Doe suicide case is very interesting to me too. Especially because Websleuths members have been exploring the idea that maybe Jane Doe/Lori Erica Ruff was a former member of the LeBaron/Lambs of God polygamist group in hiding to try and escape blood atonement, and possibly even a daughter of Ervil "The Mormon Manson" LeBaron himself...it's an intriguing possibility.

Read the Bella in the Wych story, very interesting, thanks or sharing.

I saw this on People.com today:

"Is serial shooter stalking Kansas City roadways?"

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20805033,00.html

Snipped:

At first, the driver didn't know he'd been hit by gunshot. He told police he heard two bangs Sunday night while traveling near Interstates 435 and 470 in Kansas City, and thought maybe he'd run over something.

Then he touched his leg to soothe what he believed was a sudden cramp, and saw blood – the latest victim in what Kansas City-area officials see as a possibly linked series of at least 13 roadway shootings over the past month.

Now, authorities are advising drivers to be vigilant, and asking federal agents for help. "The information we have right now is so random," police spokesman Capt. Tye Grant tells The Kansas City Star. "There is nothing consistent for us to provide anyone at this time."

Perfect for this thread:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20804437,00.html

Sixty-something year-old twins discovered--skeletonized--after having been dead in their house for three years.

I saw this on People.com today:

"Is serial shooter stalking Kansas City roadways?"

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20805033,00.html

Snipped:

At first, the driver didn't know he'd been hit by gunshot. He told police he heard two bangs Sunday night while traveling near Interstates 435 and 470 in Kansas City, and thought maybe he'd run over something.

Then he touched his leg to soothe what he believed was a sudden cramp, and saw blood – the latest victim in what Kansas City-area officials see as a possibly linked series of at least 13 roadway shootings over the past month.

Now, authorities are advising drivers to be vigilant, and asking federal agents for help. "The information we have right now is so random," police spokesman Capt. Tye Grant tells The Kansas City Star. "There is nothing consistent for us to provide anyone at this time."

We actually had something exactly like that in my area (Mid-Michigan) fairly recently, I believe it was last year. Thankfully they caught the guy. He would go on the expressway and shoot at people at random. It made me afraid to use the expressway and I purposefully avoided it while he was loose. Hopefully, this doesn't become a trend. I believe there were a dozen or so reported shootings.

Perfect for this thread:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20804437,00.html

Sixty-something year-old twins discovered--skeletonized--after having been dead in their house for three years.


Wow, this is head scratcher

We actually had something exactly like that in my area (Mid-Michigan) fairly recently, I believe it was last year. Thankfully they caught the guy. He would go on the expressway and shoot at people at random. It made me afraid to use the expressway and I purposefully avoided it while he was loose. Hopefully, this doesn't become a trend. I believe there were a dozen or so reported shootings.

I lived about a mile from that guy when all that was going on. This was right about the same time two armed burglars killed a cop at house another mile down the road. And that area was all considered to be very safe. Crazy crap happening everywhere these days.

The drive by shooter, Raulie Casteel, was sentenced to 18 - 40 years.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140303/NEWS06/303030052/raulie-casteel-I-96-shootings-sentencing

I've been reading stories about Elisa Lam, and I watched the elevator video twice. Then I came across this blog where the writer points out (what they claim to be) someone else's foot and a weapon. What do you guys think? The pictures are too blurry for me. Help Find Elisa Lam's Killer (http://elisalamcase.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html)


Edit: Watch this video: Elisa Lam Time Stamp Conspiracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YO4QbaNDjI). The time stamp freezes and later cuts out 54 seconds. I wonder what happened?

I've been reading stories about Elisa Lam, and I watched the elevator video twice. Then I came across this blog where the writer points out (what they claim to be) someone else's foot and a weapon. What do you guys think? The pictures are too blurry for me. Help Find Elisa Lam's Killer (http://elisalamcase.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html)


Edit: Watch this video: Elisa Lam Time Stamp Conspiracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YO4QbaNDjI). The time stamp freezes and later cuts out 54 seconds. I wonder what happened?

That's interesting somewhat. There is also an Elisa Lam movie project being considered:


http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/entertainment/la-et-ct-mysterious-death-of-elisa-lam-inspires-sony-pictures-film-20140304

There's a whole subsection of the web who claim that Peaches Geldorf was a human sacrifice for the Illuminati. It kinda reminds me of the days of RS and Satanic Panic...

I've been reading stories about Elisa Lam, and I watched the elevator video twice. Then I came across this blog where the writer points out (what they claim to be) someone else's foot and a weapon. What do you guys think? The pictures are too blurry for me. Help Find Elisa Lam's Killer (http://elisalamcase.blogspot.com/2013_03_01_archive.html)


Edit: Watch this video: Elisa Lam Time Stamp Conspiracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YO4QbaNDjI). The time stamp freezes and later cuts out 54 seconds. I wonder what happened?

I didn't see another person and I didn't see a weapon. All I saw was a lady trying to get the elevator to work.

it would seem to me if there was another person there following her or harassing her or whatever, she would either a) make a run for it in the hallways, b) be frantically pushing the buttons immediately upon her arrival in the elevator, c) fighting with the person, d) not spend so much time in the hallway where the attacker is supposed to be. None of those things happen. Actually, getting on an elevator when there is some type of emergency situation (such as a fire) is not recommended as it can trap you in one location.

And I can't make heads or tails of any of the numbers. They're too blurry to tell anything.

There's a whole subsection of the web who claim that Peaches Geldorf was a human sacrifice for the Illuminati. It kinda reminds me of the days of RS and Satanic Panic...

She was involved with Scientology. That could account for something. There are a lot of strange deaths and stuff (Johnny Lewis, whom I mentioned earlier in this thread, for example) associated with that cult (I refuse to call it a religion)

In other news, I'm not a fan of her father's.

She was involved with Scientology. That could account for something. There are a lot of strange deaths and stuff (Johnny Lewis, whom I mentioned earlier in this thread, for example) associated with that cult (I refuse to call it a religion).

I agree. I took a class about "alternative religions" in college and my professor (who infiltrated freakin' Heaven's Gate back in the 1970's and developed a close friendship with Applewhite) said that Scientology scared him more than any other cult he had studied. Given that he spent time with some pretty interesting subcultures, I thought that was very telling.

I agree. I took a class about "alternative religions" in college and my professor (who infiltrated freakin' Heaven's Gate back in the 1970's and developed a close friendship with Applewhite) said that Scientology scared him more than any other cult he had studied. Given that he spent time with some pretty interesting subcultures, I thought that was very telling.

I have a documentary (hosted by Bill Kurtis) about Heaven's Gate. I also have a Biography episode on Jim Jones that I haven't got around to watching yet.

I have a documentary (hosted by Bill Kurtis) about Heaven's Gate. I also have a Biography episode on Jim Jones that I haven't got around to watching yet.

You want to know some weird cocidences between Jim Jones (People's Temple Cult Leader) and Marshall Applewhite (Heaven's Gate Cult Leader). These revalations will blow your mind.

The List!

1)Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite were born in the same year (1931)
2)Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite were born in the same month (May)
3)Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite were born 4 days apart, Jim Jones was born on May 13 and Marshall Applewhite was born in May 17
4)Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite were born into conservative and religious small towns, Jim Jones was born in Lynn Indiana and Marshall Applewhite was born in Spur Texas, both of these towns contain 4 letters btw
5)Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite were both StarTrek fans
6)Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite both based their cults at one stage in California, Jim Jones based his People's Temple Cult in San Francisco and Marshall Applewhite based his Heaven's Gate Cult in San Diego


Here is some more information that you would find interesting!

One of the members of the Heaven's Gate Cult was Thomas Nichols who was the brother of Nichelle Nichols the actress who played LT. Uhura in StarTrek along with William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy.

Marshall Applewhite once worked in a Theater Group in Houston with Patsy Swayze the mother of actor Patrick Swayze.

Marshall Applewhite (Do) and Bonnie Nettles (Ti) were the basis of the 1982 movie called "The Mysterious 2" which starred John Forysthe and Priscillia Pointer, the movie is about 2 aliens who come to Earth to gather converts to travel the universe with them.


Jim Jones was the son of a Ku Klux Klan member.

Jim Jones and his wife Marcaline Jones were the first white couple in the history of Indiana to adopt a black child who he named Jim Jones Jr.

Jim Jones was at one time a Monkey Salesman.

Jim Jones was was at one time a good friend of former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown and former and current governor of California Gerald Brown.

Serial Killer Henry Lee Lucas who is the only person to have his death sentence commuted to life in prison by then Texas Governor George W Bush, boasted that he was the one who delieved the poison to Jonestown which killed over 900 People's Temple Cult members.


I hope you find these facts interesting.

Another celebrity death I want to see investigated is Heath Ledger. I always had a nagging feeling that the one Olson twin was involved. I was always a fan of Heath Ledger and have always hated the Olson twins. They can't act. They are and have always been ugly people inside and out who have tried to cash in on their celebrity status to the last penny. (and they're worth millions). And Michelle on Full House, the role that made them famous, was a rude, obxnoxious spoiled brat who terrorized the entire household.

I believe that Unsolved Mysteries should investigate the case of dead microbiologists who have been turning up dead since the 1980's and even before and continuing to this very day. To date there have been more than 100 microbiologists who have died from either bizzare murders, wierd suicides and strange accidents. The deaths of microbiolgists have exploded since 9/11 at an alarming rate. I know that I will be called a conspiracy theorist for saying what Wolverine once said "I sense something sinister" in an X-Men Annimated series episode before the arrival of arch villian Mr Sinister, but I urge you too look at this sight to see for your selves to understand why I say the same thing and that "I sense something sinister" in reguards to this.

Here is the website with the list of dead microbiololigst that contains their name, date of death, how they died, who they worked for and other facts.

A Carereer In Microbiology Can Be Harmfull To Your Health
http://www.greatdreams.com/microbiologists.htm


I believe that the cases of the dead microbiologists have made me thing of these Unsolved Mysteries episodes, 1)Journalist Murder-Death of Danny Casolaro, 2)Whistle Blown-Death of Dave Bocks, 3)Friends To The End-Deaths of Don Henry and Kevin Ives and 4)Mistake Hit-Deaths of Charles Morgan and Doug Johnson. We all know that these cases have the hallmark of a coverup by powerfull interests like government, buisness and Mafia. The case of the dead microbiologists do fit into the cases I mentioned above. I would like to see someday if Unsolved Mysteries is revived again to look into these deaths of dead microbiologists that are listed on the sight I have given to you above. The dead microbiologists have been murdered by the powers that be because they know something they were not surposed to and had information and even the ability to stop what ever evill dead that the powers that be are plotting against mankind. Something bad is comming folks and John Lennon once said it best.

John Lennon
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives, I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about that."

John Lennon was not put away as insane in a mental hospital but was assassinated just like President John Kennedy, Senator Robert Kennedy and Reverand Martin Luther King Jr. What did these men have in common, well these men preached about PEACE, and look what happend to them. It seems to me that anyone powerfull who preaches peace get assassinated. John Lennon was 100% right at what he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599775/Norwegian-police-try-identify-amnesia-man.html

Mystery man found in a snowdrift in Norway after being tied up and drugged emerges from a coma to reveal he speaks English, is not Norwegian and has no idea who he is

Unidentified man calls himself John Smith but does not know his real name
He was found with a cocktail of drugs in his system and cuts on his wrist
He said may be Czech as that is the language he understands best
He also speaks Slovak, Polish and Russian with a heavy Russian accent

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599775/Norwegian-police-try-identify-amnesia-man.html

He was quickly identified: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601476/Mystery-man-woke-snow-drift-Norway-not-knowing-arrived-country-reveals-sexually-assaulted-identified-Czech-parents.html

One thing I thought was weird was that when the Daily Mail first ran the story about his parents identifying him, it was reported that he was 20 years old. I just looked at the article again, and they've changed his age to 36.

As far as I know, tho, they still haven't figured out who attacked him.

There are quite a few I'd like to see featured on UM if it was around today.

The Dyatlov Pass incident
The 2 electricians in Brazil
Elisa Lam
MK Ultra conspiracy
The subtle details on the Sandy Hook shooting and the Aurora theatre shooting

There are quite a few I'd like to see featured on UM if it was around today.

The Dyatlov Pass incident

That was more than 50 years ago, so I don't think it would qualify as current.


The 2 electricians in Brazil
The subtle details on the Sandy Hook shooting and the Aurora theatre shooting

Please elaborate.

That was more than 50 years ago, so I don't think it would quality as current.




Please elaborate.

Yes the Dyatlov Pass incident happened a long time ago. There is still no explanation for what happened and the Soviet government still has a dossier on the case still classified.

The 2 electricians in Brazil case is also known as The Lead Masks Case. Where 2 electricians were discovered wearing identical work suits and lead masks. There was no sign of foul play and their families claimed they were on their way out to buy supplies. Among the items found was a notebook containing a list of codes and instructions "16:30 be at the determined place" and "18:30 swallow capsule, after effect protect metals wait for mask signal". Case happened in the 60's but there has never been any real clear cut explanation on what the men were doing or the instructions in the notebook.

The Sandy Hook elementary school shooting was in fact a tragedy. There are a lot of unanswered questions though. During the firestorm of media coverage and police press conferences it was reported that Adam Lamza did in fact have his brothers drivers license. This was why his brother was questioned by local authorities (where he lived). His brother adamantly contended that he had not seen his brother in years. So how did Adam in fact end up with his brothers drivers license? In the police report it states that a long range rifle was used by Lamza, yet the the long range rifle investigators found was in the trunk of the car Lamza drove to the elementary school.

The Aurora, Colorado shooting never made sense to me for one reason. How could suspect James Holmes afford all of that weaponry on unemployment benefits? Also investigators have never explained how Holmes was able to rig all the explosives in his house when none of his neighbors remember James bringing in large quantities of incendiary devices and aside from his regular mail nothing from UPS or FedEx was ever delivered to his apartment. In the official report it's stated that someone of Holmes intelligence wasn't capable of rigging such complex explosives and bombs himself.

I'd probably say there are more out there, these things just stand out to me. It's probably the conspiracy theorist in me.

The Cicada 3301 is another one that stands out to me. Is it an internet secret organization? Is it a joke a group of people are playing on the users of the internet?

Another one I like but not sure if UM would have ever covered it is The Black Knight. Is it a secret space satellite by NASA? Did aliens leave it to keep an eye on us? Why does the object change perspectives at different camera angles?

Not really that great to pick from, but I recently discovered them a year or so ago. So they're current to me.

The 2 electricians in Brazil case is also known as The Lead Masks Case. Where 2 electricians were discovered wearing identical work suits and lead masks. There was no sign of foul play and their families claimed they were on their way out to buy supplies. Among the items found was a notebook containing a list of codes and instructions "16:30 be at the determined place" and "18:30 swallow capsule, after effect protect metals wait for mask signal". Case happened in the 60's but there has never been any real clear cut explanation on what the men were doing or the instructions in the notebook.



If anyone on here is not familiar with Skeptoid Magazine online, I highly recommend listening to the episodes hosted by Brian Dunning. He recently discussed the Lead Masks case, which has intrigued me for years, but really has little factual info other than being an urban legend. If you take the time to scroll through the podcasts (each one is only 12min long), there are some pertaining to UM episodes:

http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php?cat=7

The Sandy Hook elementary school shooting was in fact a tragedy. There are a lot of unanswered questions though. During the firestorm of media coverage and police press conferences it was reported that Adam Lamza did in fact have his brothers drivers license. This was why his brother was questioned by local authorities (where he lived). His brother adamantly contended that he had not seen his brother in years. So how did Adam in fact end up with his brothers drivers license? In the police report it states that a long range rifle was used by Lamza, yet the the long range rifle investigators found was in the trunk of the car Lamza drove to the elementary school.

The Aurora, Colorado shooting never made sense to me for one reason. How could suspect James Holmes afford all of that weaponry on unemployment benefits? Also investigators have never explained how Holmes was able to rig all the explosives in his house when none of his neighbors remember James bringing in large quantities of incendiary devices and aside from his regular mail nothing from UPS or FedEx was ever delivered to his apartment. In the official report it's stated that someone of Holmes intelligence wasn't capable of rigging such complex explosives and bombs himself.

I'd probably say there are more out there, these things just stand out to me. It's probably the conspiracy theorist in me.

I am suspicious about those shooting rampages and others that have occured in recent years, so I too believe it would be a worthy topic for UM.

As you may know, Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine has voiced his suspicion on the matter. It was during a concert performance in Singapore in August 2012 (four months before the Sandy Hook massacre) when he accused President Obama of staging the recent shootings, including Fast and Furious, Aurora, and Wisconsin Sikh Temple, in an effort to pass a gun ban. In response to public backlash against him, Mustaine clarified his remarks to radio host Alex Jones, admitting that they were made during the heat of the moment. However, Mustaine remains suspicious, noting that there are still unanswered questions and that the possibility of a conspiracy should be looked into.

http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-dave-mustaine-clarifies-obama-staged-shooting-statement/

Another celebrity death I want to see investigated is Heath Ledger. I always had a nagging feeling that the one Olson twin was involved. I was always a fan of Heath Ledger and have always hated the Olson twins. They can't act. They are and have always been ugly people inside and out who have tried to cash in on their celebrity status to the last penny. (and they're worth millions). And Michelle on Full House, the role that made them famous, was a rude, obxnoxious spoiled brat who terrorized the entire household.

I remember when I was a little kid ALL of my friends loved the Olsen twins. At sleepovers--which were of course always fun otherwise--I dreaded the inevitable moment one of their videos got popped into the VCR. I was polite and watched them of course, but inside I was like :rolleyes:.

Come to think of it, I wasn't even a huge Full House fan. Family Matters was always more my speed.

I am suspicious about those shooting rampages and others that have occured in recent years, so I too believe it would be a worthy topic for UM.

As you may know, Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine has voiced his suspicion on the matter. It was during a concert performance in Singapore in August 2012 (four months before the Sandy Hook massacre) when he accused President Obama of staging the recent shootings, including Fast and Furious, Aurora, and Wisconsin Sikh Temple, in an effort to pass a gun ban. In response to public backlash against him, Mustaine clarified his remarks to radio host Alex Jones, admitting that they were made during the heat of the moment. However, Mustaine remains suspicious, noting that there are still unanswered questions and that the possibility of a conspiracy should be looked into.

http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-dave-mustaine-clarifies-obama-staged-shooting-statement/

I'm not a fan of Obama, but I find the accusation that the President staged the killing of innocent American men, women and children to pass a political agenda to be completely outrageous, as well as a very serious accusation. Both sides of the aisle have places where they make a lot of conspiracy theories, and I avoid those places like the plague.

I have a problem with musicians going overseas and bashing the U.S. President. I didn't like it when the Dixie Chicks went to a foreign country and bashed Bush, and I didn't like it here. I think going to a a foreign country and speaking ill of the President is tacky, disrespectful and somewhat un-American.

Said attacks were the work of a few mentally troubled individuals.

If anyone on here is not familiar with Skeptoid Magazine online, I highly recommend listening to the episodes hosted by Brian Dunning. He recently discussed the Lead Masks case, which has intrigued me for years, but really has little factual info other than being an urban legend. If you take the time to scroll through the podcasts (each one is only 12min long), there are some pertaining to UM episodes:

http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php?cat=7

I only found out of the Lead Masks Case through the forbidden site (I'm assuming that's what it's called). Ran into an unexplained mysteries clip that mentioned the case. This is the first time hearing about Skeptoid Magazine, but I will gladly look it up!!!!


I am suspicious about those shooting rampages and others that have occured in recent years, so I too believe it would be a worthy topic for UM.

As you may know, Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine has voiced his suspicion on the matter. It was during a concert performance in Singapore in August 2012 (four months before the Sandy Hook massacre) when he accused President Obama of staging the recent shootings, including Fast and Furious, Aurora, and Wisconsin Sikh Temple, in an effort to pass a gun ban. In response to public backlash against him, Mustaine clarified his remarks to radio host Alex Jones, admitting that they were made during the heat of the moment. However, Mustaine remains suspicious, noting that there are still unanswered questions and that the possibility of a conspiracy should be looked into.

http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-dave-mustaine-clarifies-obama-staged-shooting-statement/

I didn't know that. I'm not sure if Obama had some direct involvement in these things. In the past 15 years there has been some pretty heavy stuff played out to the American public via cable news stations or what have you. A lot of stuff that doesn't make any sense at all or accounts that completely contradict official reports. There are a lot of other small tidbits of information from other incidents that get completely overlooked or ignored completely. I can go on all night with incidents that make zero sense at all given every piece of evidence. Sometimes while researching I just say to myself, the incident never happened because of all the contradicting evidence.

I'm not a fan of Obama, but I find the accusation that the President staged the killing of innocent American men, women and children to pass a political agenda to be completely outrageous, as well as a very serious accusation. Both sides of the aisle have places where they make a lot of conspiracy theories, and I avoid those places like the plague.

I have a problem with musicians going overseas and bashing the U.S. President. I didn't like it when the Dixie Chicks went to a foreign country and bashed Bush, and I didn't like it here. I think going to a a foreign country and speaking ill of the President is tacky, disrespectful and somewhat un-American.

Said attacks were the work of a few mentally troubled individuals.

I can see where you're coming from. From my point of view I see it a little differently. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence in just about every national news story that the media has sensationalized going back to the WTC bombings in 1993 and one cannot overlook either a lot of coincidences or inconsistencies in the official stories. Even the Columbine Killings have a lot of evidence that, again, is either circumstantial or inconsistent with the official versions given to the public.

As you may know, Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine has voiced his suspicion on the matter. It was during a concert performance in Singapore in August 2012 (four months before the Sandy Hook massacre) when he accused President Obama of staging the recent shootings, including Fast and Furious, Aurora, and Wisconsin Sikh Temple, in an effort to pass a gun ban. In response to public backlash against him, Mustaine clarified his remarks to radio host Alex Jones, admitting that they were made during the heat of the moment. However, Mustaine remains suspicious, noting that there are still unanswered questions and that the possibility of a conspiracy should be looked into.

:lol:

Thank you. There's one unbreakable rule of left wing politics: "Never prevent a conservative from sounding like a conservative."

They'll do more damage to themselves and their cause with a handful of words than a billion dollars of propaganda could manage.

I can see where you're coming from. From my point of view I see it a little differently. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence in just about every national news story that the media has sensationalized going back to the WTC bombings in 1993 and one cannot overlook either a lot of coincidences or inconsistencies in the official stories. Even the Columbine Killings have a lot of evidence that, again, is either circumstantial or inconsistent with the official versions given to the public.

That happens any time there is a high-profile case. Case in point: JonBenet Ramsey. I was reading a little while ago that someone from the Boulder Police Department said that the vast majority of what the public believes to be fact about the case is, in reality, untrue. Unfortunately, sometimes lies and untruths get repeated so much that people believe it to be fact.

Another celebrity death I want to see investigated is Heath Ledger. I always had a nagging feeling that the one Olson twin was involved. I was always a fan of Heath Ledger and have always hated the Olson twins. They can't act. They are and have always been ugly people inside and out who have tried to cash in on their celebrity status to the last penny. (and they're worth millions). And Michelle on Full House, the role that made them famous, was a rude, obxnoxious spoiled brat who terrorized the entire household.

Agree with you there wisey! There's something suss about the whole thing. I reckon that Olsen got off lightly.

That happens any time there is a high-profile case. Case in point: JonBenet Ramsey. I was reading a little while ago that someone from the Boulder Police Department said that the vast majority of what the public believes to be fact about the case is, in reality, untrue. Unfortunately, sometimes lies and untruths get repeated so much that people believe it to be fact.

The JonBenet Ramsey case was handled terribly by the media and law enforcement. No one denies that. The biggest difference between that case and say The Columbine Massacre is that there is video evidence of Columbine. There have been a lot of whacky theories regarding Columbine. Some make sense and some are just laughable. I remember seeing on a website frame by frame what happened in the cafeteria and the footage completely contradicts what police reported or what authorities interpreted what was going on. Some of the victims don't agree that Erik and Dylan acted alone. A few have given interviews that they witnessed at least 2 other shooters.

For me the Sandy Hook killings was nothing more than the solo act of a very mentally troubled man. For anyone to suggest the cold blooded murder of young school children was somehow carried out by the President as part of some political agenda or some other deliberately staged act is silly, ridiculous and offensive to the victims' families.

Now that I'm off m soapbox, I can only imagine what spin UM would put on the missing Malaysian plane mystery. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened.

For me the Sandy Hook killings was nothing more than the solo act of a very mentally troubled man. For anyone to suggest the cold blooded murder of young school children was somehow carried out by the President as part of some political agenda or some other deliberately staged act is silly, ridiculous and offensive to the victims' families.

Now that I'm off m soapbox, I can only imagine what spin UM would put on the missing Malaysian plane mystery. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened.

I am no way insinuating that the president was involved or had prior knowledge of the tragedy at Sandy Hook. What I am stating is that there are discrepancies with the official report and what law enforcement/authorities told the public. These aren't small tidbits of information that can just be overlooked either. Finding Lamza's brothers drivers license on him from a few states over and his brother vehemently denying he had seen his brother in a few years begs the question. How did Adam Lamza end up with his brothers drivers license? The official report from law enforcement, crime scene analysts, and medical examiners all agree a long range rifle of some kind was used in the shooting. There has been no explanation as to how the only long range rifle found on the premises of the school was found in the trunk of a vehicle, he allegedly used to get the school.

I have no idea how they would spin it. One day the black box will indeed be recovered and we'll know everything that happened. It's easy to point fingers as to who is at fault, but the fact key evidence was withheld from the Malaysian government by other countries is going to make the process that much harder to deal with. If Thailand would have ponied up there satellite read outs from the beginning the search crews would have been sent out at least 2 weeks before they were initially sent out and given the window for the black boxes to found more open.

The JonBenet Ramsey case was handled terribly by the media and law enforcement. No one denies that. The biggest difference between that case and say The Columbine Massacre is that there is video evidence of Columbine. There have been a lot of whacky theories regarding Columbine. Some make sense and some are just laughable. I remember seeing on a website frame by frame what happened in the cafeteria and the footage completely contradicts what police reported or what authorities interpreted what was going on. Some of the victims don't agree that Erik and Dylan acted alone. A few have given interviews that they witnessed at least 2 other shooters.

Isn't it the 15th anniversary today?

Isn't it the 15th anniversary today?

For Columbine yeah. Again a lot of unanswered questions. I found this earlier this morning.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/mobile/article/trevinwax/7-myths-about-the-columbine-shooting

Finding Lamza's brothers drivers license on him from a few states over and his brother vehemently denying he had seen his brother in a few years begs the question. How did Adam Lamza end up with his brothers drivers license?

I haven't read up much on this case. Do you know if the brother's driver's license was a current licence or was it an old expired one that Adam held onto for some reason?

There was an ID badge type thing that was photographed in his house and published, (pic posted below) that made me wonder if he ever tried to make fake IDs or if he was somehow into collecting IDs, which might help explain why he had his brother's driver's license on him.

Do you know what this ID badge was for and if it's real? It just has his name and one of those weird wide eyed photos of him on it and says Newtown Technology Team:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/11/25/1385420157034/636b064d-a0bf-4972-81aa-859bf17c1d26-460x276.jpeg

I haven't read up much on this case. Do you know if the brother's driver's license was a current licence or was it an old expired one that Adam held onto for some reason?

There was an ID badge type thing that was photographed in his house and published, (pic posted below) that made me wonder if he ever tried to make fake IDs or if he was somehow into collecting IDs, which might help explain why he had his brother's driver's license on him.

Do you know what this ID badge was for and if it's real? It just has his name and one of those weird wide eyed photos of him on it and says Newtown Technology Team:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/11/25/1385420157034/636b064d-a0bf-4972-81aa-859bf17c1d26-460x276.jpeg

It is my understanding that it was his brothers current drivers license. That being said I never considered the possibility that Adam was in fact making fake ID's. In the initial firestorm of media coverage there was a lot of confusion as to who the perpretator was. Adam's brother at one time was indeed named a gunman. I don't know if you clicked the link I posted earlier, but all of these cases could just be cases of the media putting carriage before the horse. If that makes sense.

It is my understanding that it was his brothers drivers license. That being said I never considered the possibility that Adam was in fact making fake ID's. In the initial firestorm of media coverage there was a lot of confusion as to who the perpretator was. Adam's brother at one time was indeed named a gunman. I don't know if you clicked the link I posted earlier, but all of these cases could just be cases of the media putting carriage before the horse. If that makes sense.

Wow, so it was his brother's current license and Adam having that in his possession was never correctly explained to the public?

And his brother swears he hadn't seen him in years so Adam had no opportunity to get a hold of his driver's license? That seems fishy. To get that license, Adam would have had to steal it without his brother knowing about it, or the brother was involved somehow, or the brother is lying about not seeing Adam recently.

No wonder people are wondering what's really going on with some of these unusual cases.

For me the Sandy Hook killings was nothing more than the solo act of a very mentally troubled man. For anyone to suggest the cold blooded murder of young school children was somehow carried out by the President as part of some political agenda or some other deliberately staged act is silly, ridiculous and offensive to the victims' families.

Now that I'm off m soapbox, I can only imagine what spin UM would put on the missing Malaysian plane mystery. I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened.


I do believe that the powers that be were behind the Sandy Hook Killings. I dont believe that President Barack Obama is personally behind it because the fact is that he is nothing more than a puppet of the elite, who were the ones who put him in power and not the people. We the American people seem to believe that our voices and votes count in every election of a President every four or five years but the sad truth is that we don't count at all. The people who rule the United States are not the people but the ultra rich oligarchs and especially those from blue blooded families like the Rockafellers, Duponts, Vanderbuilts, Astors and the Bushes. President Barack Obama and his cabinent have no power and are in fact the front men for what is called either the secret government, hidden government, invisible government or shaddow government, but what ever you want to call them it does not matter. The Sandy Hook Killings are what is called a "False Flag" Operation that has been used in part of the Haglien Dialectic's problem, reaction and solution. The Haglien Dialectic's problem, reaction and solution is described as this, 1)Problem-Manufacture or wait for a problem to get a reaction, 2)Reaction-Public out cry to demand a solution, 3)Solution-Determined from the very begining. The Sandy Hook killings have been used by the anti- gun people in the government to rile the people up so much that they would beg the government to take away guns from the American people and to dismantle the second amenment. The American oligarchy hates the 2nd amenment and fears as an armed populaiton because an armed populaiton would prevent the American oligarchy from turning the United States into a totalitarian dicatorship that it wants. The United States is not a democracy or a constitutional republic but an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy or a constitutional republic. The United States has a government with in the government and it remains in place no matter what party gets into power. The CIA for example is a master of false flag operations against the American people and other world people's, just like the Gulf Of Tonken Incident which started the Vietnam War which itself was a False Flag Operaiton. Here are some quotes to prove my point because I dont want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist by you and others.


"Today the path of total dicatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating with in our government and political system, another body represnting another form of government-A bureaucratic elite".
Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government, ever since the days of Andrew Jackson".
President Franklin Roosevelt, A letter to Colonel House, 1933

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere that is so organized, so subtle, so watchfull, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath, when they speak in condemnation of it"
President Woodrow Wilson

"The real menace of our republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus which sprawles it's slimey length over city, state, and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under the cover of a selt created screen.... At the head of this octopus is the Rockafeller Standard Oil interestst a small group of powerfull Banking Houses that are generally refered to as the International Bankers. The little coitere of powerfull international bankers virtually run the United States Government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties".
New York City Mayor John Hylan, 1922

"The Governments of the present day have deal not mearly with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but with secret socities which have their unscrupulous agents, and can upset at the last moment the government's plans"
Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and excercise power from behind the scenes"
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"The governments of Western nations, whether Monarchical or Republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I ventured to suggest, this semiocult power which .... pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War 1".
Major General J.F.C. Fuller, 1941

"Fifty men run America, and that is a high figure"
Joseph Kennedy, 1936


Watch this speach by Jim Marrs To learn about how the world is really run by secret swoicities controlled by ultra rich and the multinational coporations and international banks that they own and control.

Jim Marrs: Rule By Secrecy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_91olaFeis

I do believe that the powers that be were behind the Sandy Hook Killings. I dont believe that President Barack Obama is personally behind it because the fact is that he is nothing more than a puppet of the elite, who were the ones who put him in power and not the people. We the American people seem to believe that our voices and votes count in every election of a President every four or five years but the sad truth is that we don't count at all. The people who rule the United States are not the people but the ultra rich oligarchs and especially those from blue blooded families like the Rockafellers, Duponts, Vanderbuilts, Astors and the Bushes. President Barack Obama and his cabinent have no power and are in fact the front men for what is called either the secret government, hidden government, invisible government or shaddow government, but what ever you want to call them it does not matter. The Sandy Hook Killings are what is called a "False Flag" Operation that has been used in part of the Haglien Dialectic's problem, reaction and solution. The Haglien Dialectic's problem, reaction and solution is described as this, 1)Problem-Manufacture or wait for a problem to get a reaction, 2)Reaction-Public out cry to demand a solution, 3)Solution-Determined from the very begining. The Sandy Hook killings have been used by the anti- gun people in the government to rile the people up so much that they would beg the government to take away guns from the American people and to dismantle the second amenment. The American oligarchy hates the 2nd amenment and fears as an armed populaiton because an armed populaiton would prevent the American oligarchy from turning the United States into a totalitarian dicatorship that it wants. The United States is not a democracy or a constitutional republic but an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy or a constitutional republic. The United States has a government with in the government and it remains in place no matter what party gets into power. The CIA for example is a master of false flag operations against the American people and other world people's, just like the Gulf Of Tonken Incident which started the Vietnam War which itself was a False Flag Operaiton. Here are some quotes to prove my point because I dont want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist by you and others.


"Today the path of total dicatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating with in our government and political system, another body represnting another form of government-A bureaucratic elite".
Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government, ever since the days of Andrew Jackson".
President Franklin Roosevelt, A letter to Colonel House, 1933

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere that is so organized, so subtle, so watchfull, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath, when they speak in condemnation of it"
President Woodrow Wilson

"The real menace of our republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus which sprawles it's slimey length over city, state, and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under the cover of a selt created screen.... At the head of this octopus is the Rockafeller Standard Oil interestst a small group of powerfull Banking Houses that are generally refered to as the International Bankers. The little coitere of powerfull international bankers virtually run the United States Government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties".
New York City Mayor John Hylan, 1922

"The Governments of the present day have deal not mearly with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but with secret socities which have their unscrupulous agents, and can upset at the last moment the government's plans"
Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and excercise power from behind the scenes"
Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952

"The governments of Western nations, whether Monarchical or Republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy, international in power and grasp. It was, I ventured to suggest, this semiocult power which .... pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron of World War 1".
Major General J.F.C. Fuller, 1941

"Fifty men run America, and that is a high figure"
Joseph Kennedy, 1936

I'm not going to get into a politics at this point. I will say this, none of what you said is directly linked to the Sandy Hook killings.

Here are the facts, according to plenty of eye witnesses Adam Lanza (my apologies for the incorrect spelling) walked into Sandy Hook elementary school and began shooting a class of kindergarten kids. During the media coverage it was mis-reported that his mother was a teacher and one of the victims at the school, a second gunman was speculated by police during a press conference with major media networks, Adam's brother's ID was found on him and Adam's brother was mistakenly identified as the shooter, a man in camouflage clothing was found and detained by authorities in the woods, Adam's brothers Facebook page at one time was suspended and deleted (it was put back up a few hours later), for every victim there was a state trooper assigned to them, law enforcement announced the bodies were to not be moved so evidence could be gathered, medical examiner announced the next morning all the bodies were at the morgue, no major media network or camera either has pictures or video of the bodies being removed from the crime scene, the school had a buzz in system, Adam's mother was actually killed before Adam went to the school and opened fire, Adam's brother stated to authorities and the media he hadn't had contact with Adam since 2010 (yet his ID was found with Adam), it was determined that a long range automatic rifle was used yet Adam was found with only pistols on him, a long range automatic rifle was found in the trunk of the car Adam had driven to the school.

Finally Adam's father was set to testify in front of the Senate in the LIBOR Banking Scandal. Guess who else was set to testify in front of the Senate? James Holmes father.

http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-reveals-frightening-connection-to-mass-shootings-of-2012

. Here are some quotes to prove my point because I dont want to be labeled a conspiracy theorist by you and others.



A lengthy rant about "secret elites","the powers that be" and "false flag operations" ain't helping your cause , I'm afraid! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The reason there are discrepancies in the Sandy Hook, Columbine, 9/11 etc. narratives has nothing to do with secret conspiracies , and everything to do with the fact that these events took place in a very short period of time, and the witnesses to them were shocked and deeply traumatised. Human memory being what it is, this leads to all sorts of confusion among these witnesses about the chronology of events and what actually happened. Add to that some inadvertant myth making by a media hungry for a good story (No, there was no Christian student at Columbine who bravely refused to recant their faith, despite having a gun at their head) and its little wonder events get mixed up!

A lengthy rant about "secret elites","the powers that be" and "false flag operations" ain't helping your cause , I'm afraid! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The reason there are discrepancies in the Sandy Hook, Columbine, 9/11 etc. narratives has nothing to do with secret conspiracies , and everything to do with the fact that these events took place in a very short period of time, and the witnesses to them were shocked and deeply traumatised. Human memory being what it is, this leads to all sorts of confusion among these witnesses about the chronology of events and what actually happened. Add to that some inadvertant myth making by a media hungry for a good story (No, there was no Christian student at Columbine who bravely refused to recant their faith, despite having a gun at their head) and its little wonder events get mixed up!

I can understand what you're saying and I can agree there are cases where your rational thinking can make a case that simple. But that does not account for the numerous egregious inconsistencies in the Sandy Hook shooting. The school had a buzz in system, so who buzzed Adam in? How did Adam get his brothers ID? It was and still unprecedented that every victim's family was assigned a state trooper. Why did law enforcement announce the bodies were not going to be moved and the following morning the medical examiners office said that the bodies were at the morgue? In the media firestorm no cameras at all captured authorities removing the victims from the classroom? Why would authorities release the medical examiners findings of a long range rifle, when the only long range automatic rifle was found in the trunk of the car Adam drove to the school? Yes things happened fast, yet the official report gives no explanation at all to a lot of these questions raised.

I can understand what you're saying and I can agree there are cases where your rational thinking can make a case that simple. But that does not account for the numerous egregious inconsistencies in the Sandy Hook shooting. The school had a buzz in system, so who buzzed Adam in? How did Adam get his brothers ID? It was and still unprecedented that every victim's family was assigned a state trooper. Why did law enforcement announce the bodies were not going to be moved and the following morning the medical examiners office said that the bodies were at the morgue? In the media firestorm no cameras at all captured authorities removing the victims from the classroom? Why would authorities release the medical examiners findings of a long range rifle, when the only long range automatic rifle was found in the trunk of the car Adam drove to the school? Yes things happened fast, yet the official report gives no explanation at all to a lot of these questions raised.

There was a murder case here in Australia a few years ago, still officially unsolved, where the accused was (rightfully) acquitted due to the state failing to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. (Google "Lloyd Rainey murder"- the victim was alleged to have been abducted less than a mile from where I now live!). Although the State's case against the accused was hopelessly speculative, and it seemed highly unlikely that he could have been at the site where the victim's (who was his estranged wife) body was found on the night she was killed, prosecutors noted that a name tag belonging to the accused was found near her body.

In summing up the evidence, the judge noted that real life is not like a detective novel or movie, that not "every piece has to fit together", that in every investigation, there may be "loose ends", and the name tag's location "is a mystery that may never be solved" - and that is life. In reconstructing events, without the benefit of a video record or a rock solid confession, it is often impossible to answer every question and take account of every eventuality and determine every single event that happened.

Who buzzed Adam in? Maybe someone who thought he was a courier/parent/sibling/caretaker/cop...How did he get his brother's ID? Maybe he stole it years ago, or maybe his brother is lying when he said he hadn't spoken to Adam for ages (I'd want to distance myself from any relative who did what he is alleged to have done) The moving of the bodies? maybe law enforcement and the coroner's office weren't on the same page, and a senior official made a last minute change of plans. Why wasn't this filmed? maybe because cops threw the media out or, even in this age, the media may have exercised some rare restriant and decency. Long range rifle? Maybe the medical examiner was mistaken, or maybe the perp used it before putting it in his car.

None of these "unanswered questions" strike me as particularly troubling or, in most cases, even important. Its an old saying, but a true one: given the choice between explaining something by means of a screw up or a conspiracy, choose the screw up every time.

There was a murder case here in Australia a few years ago, still officially unsolved, where the accused was (rightfully) acquitted due to the state failing to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. (Google "Lloyd Rainey murder"- the victim was alleged to have been abducted less than a mile from where I now live!). Although the State's case against the accused was hopelessly speculative, and it seemed highly unlikely that he could have been at the site where the victim's (who was his estranged wife) body was found on the night she was killed, prosecutors noted that a name tag belonging to the accused was found near her body.

In summing up the evidence, the judge noted that real life is not like a detective novel or movie, that not "every piece has to fit together", that in every investigation, there may be "loose ends", and the name tag's location "is a mystery that may never be solved" - and that is life. In reconstructing events, without the benefit of a video record or a rock solid confession, it is often impossible to answer every question and take account of every eventuality and determine every single event that happened.

Who buzzed Adam in? Maybe someone who thought he was a courier/parent/sibling/caretaker/cop...How did he get his brother's ID? Maybe he stole it years ago, or maybe his brother is lying when he said he hadn't spoken to Adam for ages (I'd want to distance myself from any relative who did what he is alleged to have done) The moving of the bodies? maybe law enforcement and the coroner's office weren't on the same page, and a senior official made a last minute change of plans. Why wasn't this filmed? maybe because cops threw the media out or, even in this age, the media may have exercised some rare restriant and decency. Long range rifle? Maybe the medical examiner was mistaken, or maybe the perp used it before putting it in his car.

None of these "unanswered questions" strike me as particularly troubling or, in most cases, even important. Its an old saying, but a true one: given the choice between explaining something by means of a screw up or a conspiracy, choose the screw up every time.

1) Go to your last answer to see how illogical this answer is. If he used the long rifle and then put it back in the trunk, he would have to have been buzzed in twice. I also doubt couriers, delivery men, and teachers have an automatic long range rifle as their daily attire.

2) Adam's brother had no idea what he had done. His brother was detained because it was assumed, through the ID, that Adam was his brother. After authorities realized the ID didn't match the suspect. His brother was questioned and asserted he had not had contact with him since 2010. At the time of his brother being detained Adam still wasn't named as the gunman and his brother would have no reason at all to deny anything.

3. The reason given the bodies weren't going to be moved was so more photographs and evidence could be gathered. And with all the vigils, press camped out, spectators, etc. I find it odd that no one remembers or has a picture or video footage of the bodies being removed.

4. The medical examiner removed slugs consistent with a long range automatic rifle, so why would he lie on an official cause of death? Again why would Adam use the rifle, take it back to the car, and then kill himself in the classroom? And if he did, who buzzed him in a second time?

1) Go to your last answer to see how illogical this answer is.


You've missed my point.

As the judge in the case I've quoted explained, when law enforcement tries to reconstruct events, there may often be "hanging threads" that cannot be immediately explained. In detective novels,every single piece of evidence fits neatly together. That's not so much the case in real life. Just as an unexplained light in the sky is not proof of extraterrestrial intelligence (its just a light in the sky that cannot be immediately explained), one or two questions that don't have immediate answers are not proof of a grand conspiracy by the Powers That Be. I don't claim that my version of events is 100% correct - I am just providing possible explanations. There may be be many other ones.

In order for there to be a conspiracy regarding Sandy Hook, literally hundreds of people from the POTUS and his staff , to local Law Enforcement to the media to EMTs and hospital staff to parents and local community members would have to be in on it. It is impossible - not unlikely , but actually impossible - that all of these people could have kept quiet for so long...hell, lets look at a genuine, proven conspiracy: Watergate. That only involved about 5 or 6 people, and they couldn't even shut up about that!

I know I haven't convinced you. But be aware that as a conspiracy theorist, your views are marginalised and will never form a major part of public discourse.

You've missed my point.

As the judge in the case I've quoted explained, when law enforcement tries to reconstruct events, there may often be "hanging threads" that cannot be immediately explained. In detective novels,every single piece of evidence fits neatly together. That's not so much the case in real life. Just as an unexplained light in the sky is not proof of extraterrestrial intelligence (its just a light in the sky that cannot be immediately explained), one or two questions that don't have immediate answers are not proof of a grand conspiracy by the Powers That Be. I don't claim that my version of events is 100% correct - I am just providing possible explanations. There may be be many other ones.

In order for there to be a conspiracy regarding Sandy Hook, literally hundreds of people from the POTUS and his staff , to local Law Enforcement to the media to EMTs and hospital staff to parents and local community members would have to be in on it. It is impossible - not unlikely , but actually impossible - that all of these people could have kept quiet for so long...hell, lets look at a genuine, proven conspiracy: Watergate. That only involved about 5 or 6 people, and they couldn't even shut up about that!

I know I haven't convinced you. But be aware that as a conspiracy theorist, your views are marginalised and will never form a major part of public discourse.

Enjoy the message boards. I believe I've been quite cordial with people here without having to resort to personal attacks. I don't know whether to be insulted or laugh by you calling me a conspiracy theorist. By the way I wasn't trying to convince anyone about anything. It's called open discussion and we're all allowed to have our opinion here. Maybe you didn't see in my posts I conceded to your point of view. It's your point of view you're entitled to it, it's not my job to judge what kind of person you are by your point of view. I can't speak for everyone here, but part of what made the show what it was had a lot to do with the minimal open discussion about certain cases (can't do a whole case for one episode) and asking questions on evidence that didn't make sense. That's why the show is called Unsolved Mysteries. Again enjoy the place, personally I for one am done posting here (on the Unsolved Mysteries board). You won't need to worry about those pesky conspiracy theories from me here. I'll just drop in and check up about a handful of cases. To everyone I interacted with here, thanks it was cool interacting with you.

Enjoy the message boards. I believe I've been quite cordial with people here without having to resort to personal attacks. .

Apologies if you viewed my response as overly personal and disrespectful. In retrospect, I probably would have rephrased it. I didn't mean to cause you offence, and to the extent that I did, I'm sorry.

Oh man, check THIS one out:

Stewart Eric Simmons disappears in 1982 at the age of 20. Body was found earlier this year, 32 years after his disappearance. He is found with a dead woman, who remains unidentified. Both were murdered. They were found at the Colorado-New Mexico border, with him being in Colorado, and she in New Mexico. Despite the fact their murders are obviously connected, 2 different states will be handing their deaths. The original case file and some of the evidence was lost for a while, before being found in an old file cabinet. The woman was found with a sales slip in her pocket with a woman's name and phone number on it.

Making this case all the more weird, was that Simmons lived in Georgia, and was last seen in San Diego. A missing persons report for him wasn't filed until 1999, 17 years after his disappearance, and it was filed in Georgia.

He was on AWOL from the Navy for a second time, and some had thought he had voluntarily disappeared to avoid facing consequences. He had suffered a fall as a child, which injured part of his brain that effects thinking, and his family thinks this is why he kept going AWOL. Simmons had also attended the scandal-plagued Anneewakee Treatment Center for Emotionally Distrubed Youth. I had heard about this place before, and let me tell you it was HORRIFYING!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneewakee_Treatment_Center_for_Emotionally_Disturbed_Youth

http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightUSA/ar/t15895.htm

CP update, scroll to 6th case down

http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved/resolved96.html

I certainly hope they can find whoever did this.

Wiseguy, I saw that too and was instantly intrigued. It always weirds me out when the missing person is found states away from where they vanished (just like Tim Molnar). I really hope the recent DNA tests will lead to Jane Doe being identified. Perhaps through her identity, that of the killer(s) can be discovered.

Thanks for the other links. That treatment center sounds brutal, even if some former residents claim it saved their lives. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to guess that Simmons' time there could have led him to his decision to go AWOL due to trauma and his fall as a child combined.

Okay, here is an update on the Stewart Eric Simmons case we talked about just above. The missing female has just been identified as 39 year old Margaret Walden from Colorado. She too had been missing since 1982.

http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved.html

Okay, here's some more info: in one of my posts above, I had talked about how they lost the original casefile and much of the evidence before rediscovering it. As it turns out, in addition to that, Margaret's body was also considered lost for a time before being rediscovered. A bus and a buried car also provided clues to the case, and had matched some accounts as to what happened during the double homicide. Margaret was identified 32 years (almost to the day) after she went missing.

Interestingly, the tips that led to the idenitification of both Simmons and Margaret came from an amateur internet slueth.

http://www.pagosasun.com/second-victim-in-1982-double-homicide-identified/

Apparently, Simmons and Margaret had been dating. I found that quite shocking as Margaret was almost twice as old as Simmons, and didn't seem like the type of woman Simmons would go for.

Sadly, Simmons apparently was both beaten and shot. Further distressingly, it's doubtful his killer will ever face justice for his murder since he was found in New Mexico (just barely over the state line) and that state has a 15 year statute of limitations on murders.

Some show should REALLY pick up this case.

Okay, here is an update on the Stewart Eric Simmons case we talked about just above. The missing female has just been identified as 39 year old Margaret Walden from Colorado. She too had been missing since 1982.

http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved.html
Thanks for posting this update! I had been hoping they would identify the woman. It does seem a bit weird that they were dating, but sometimes older women and younger men just hit it off.

Hopefully the killer and motive can soon be discovered and someone can be charged, despite New Mexico's unfortunate and poor decision for such a low statute of limitations. Hopefully, because one body was found in Colorado, some justice can be served.

isotope what are your thoughts on the 2001 disappearance and probable murder of UK backpacker Peter Falconio? Do you think they've arrested and convicted the right man? This might be a good UM case as many think someone else did it and it's linked to a spate of other mysterious disappearances in the Australian outback.

isotope what are your thoughts on the 2001 disappearance and probable murder of UK backpacker Peter Falconio? Do you think they've arrested and convicted the right man? This might be a good UM case as many think someone else did it and it's linked to a spate of other mysterious disappearances in the Australian outback.

Would you believe (channeling my innermost Jack Barry) I have that case?!?! I traded with someone from the UK a while ago and they sent me some episodes of a missing persons show from the UK and that was one of them that was on there.

the Obama birth certificate!!!!!!! (lol a joke)

Here's a WILD update to the Uden case. In case you need a refresher, this was the case of the mother and her 2 young sons who went missing in Wyoming in 1980. Over 3 decades would pass before her ex-husband Gerald Uden was finally arrested and eventually convicted for shooting all 3 of them to death and dumping them in the lake. He then tried to steer their car into the canyon, but it become lodged on rocks. He then tried to cover up the car to conceal it.

Anyways, Gerald Uden's current wife was also arrested for murder. She had murdered her first husband in 1974, just a few months after marrying him. His body wasn't recovered until a couple years ago. She was convicted and sentenced to 20 years to life last year. Well they're two peas in a pod, that's for sure.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/u/uden_reagan.html

Here's a WILD update to the Uden case. In case you need a refresher, this was the case of the mother and her 2 young sons who went missing in Wyoming in 1980. Over 3 decades would pass before her ex-husband Gerald Uden was finally arrested and eventually convicted for shooting all 3 of them to death and dumping them in the lake. He then tried to steer their car into the canyon, but it become lodged on rocks. He then tried to cover up the car to conceal it.

Anyways, Gerald Uden's current wife was also arrested for murder. She had murdered her first husband in 1974, just a few months after marrying him. His body wasn't recovered until a couple years ago. She was convicted and sentenced to 20 years to life last year. Well they're two peas in a pod, that's for sure.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/u/uden_reagan.html

I had always believed Uden to be guilty as it was strange to me that his ex wife and two kids just HAPPENED to go missing when they were on their way to visit him, and they just HAPPENED to have a gun in the car that he asked them to bring. That, and the fact that the gun was a 22 calibre rifle which is not what you'd take bird hunting anyway. My suspicions grew more here a few years back, when I read an article that the police were excavating some property that Gerald Uden once owned, looking for evidence. I also believe that Alice was in on their murder, as it was a two person job to hide the station wagon and dump the bodies. I hope they both rot in Hell.

One of the cases I've been following for a few years now is the Betsy Faria murder. IMO, this case would have been great for a UM Final Appeal segment. The victim's husband, Russ Faria was convicted (wrongly in my personal opinion), and is currently out on bail awaiting a new trial as ordered by the appellate court. Apparently, his new trial is scheduled to begin in November of 2015. Dateline has done an excellent profile of this case, and the link below is to a well written article.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/russell-faria-s-wife-was-stabbed-times-but-was-he/article_dd93f262-594e-5b88-b53f-097fc10033c8.html

Phil Schneider would be a good "murder or suicide?" case.

Of a number of questionable celebrity deaths, the case of Natalie Wood is receiving much attention: http://martirulli.blogspot.com/

The Natalie Wood case is very interesting. I would hate to think that the responsible party was either Robert Wagner or Christopher Walken...

In any case, neither of them are talking.

The Natalie Wood case is very interesting. I would hate to think that the responsible party was either Robert Wagner or Christopher Walken...

In any case, neither of them are talking.

If UM had ever felt compelled to do a segment on Natalie Wood's death while Robert Stack was alive, it might have been a very unique conflict of interest since he and Robert Wagner were very good friends (in fact, if you Google RS's original obituary, you'll see Wagner provide some glowing quotes about him). If Stack genuinely thought Wagner was completely innocent, he might have had a problem with UM trying to cast some suspicion on his longtime friend.

I was always intrigued by the murder of starlet Christa Helm in 1977. One detective had the theory that she was murdered by the same perp who murdered Sal Mineo a year earlier. I would have also likes to have seen UM do a segment on Natalie Wood, had no idea that Wagner and Stack were good friends, though.

Amber haggerman of arlington texas. Also I like Natalie wood. I wonder if that
Was ever on their radar and what RS really thought about it in reference to their friendship.

I would like to see a segment on the 2003 disappearance and death of 23 year old Matthew Golden from Denton, TX. There are few known details about this case and it has never been broadcast on any show. I have long been interested in this case.

Golden clocked in at 8:57 a.m. at his job at an auto parts store, and was last seen walking towards the front counter. By 9:00 a.m, just three minutes later, he had vanished. His skull was found a few months later in the general area from which he disappeared. A cause of death was not able to be determined.

Matthew's (girlfriend I believe) gave birth to his son a few months after the tragedy.

There are various thoughts running around my head: Was he the only employee in the building at this time? Did somebody jump or rob him or whatever before the place started to get busy for the day? Was he abducted from the store, or did somebody lure him to the parking lot or what? Males getting abducted from their place of employment is exceedingly rare.

Would love to know more info here:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40721560

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/3pgabc/new_details_in_joshua_maddux_teen_in_chimney_case/

I've been reading up on the case of Joshua Maddux, an 18-year old who disappeared in 2008 until his remains were recently found inside the chimney of a cabin which was being demolished!

There's a lot of strange details here (most of Joshua's clothing was found inside the cabin) and some intriguing debate here about whether Joshua could have got stuck in there on his own and died, or if there was foul play involved. I really hope this poor young man wasn't still alive when his body went inside that chimney because that would be awful, awful way to die :eek: !

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/3pgabc/new_details_in_joshua_maddux_teen_in_chimney_case/

I've been reading up on the case of Joshua Maddux, an 18-year old who disappeared in 2008 until his remains were recently found inside the chimney of a cabin which was being demolished!

There's a lot of strange details here (most of Joshua's clothing was found inside the cabin) and some intriguing debate here about whether Joshua could have got stuck in there on his own and died, or if there was foul play involved. I really hope this poor young man wasn't still alive when his body went inside that chimney because that would be awful, awful way to die :eek: !

It made me think of that scene in Gremlins where the female lead talked about her dad trying to go down the chimney and ended up breaking his neck. If I remember, they didn't discover him for quite some time, either. *shudder*

After reading about this one, I wondered if it was a parkour-type related death.

After reading about this one, I wondered if it was a parkour-type related death.

Now THAT's an interesting theory I haven't seen discussed before! I have no idea if Joshua was into parkour, but I can't think of too many other logical reasons why a guy would remove most of his clothing and attempt to climb up a chimney.

Now THAT's an interesting theory I haven't seen discussed before! I have no idea if Joshua was into parkour, but I can't think of too many other logical reasons why a guy would remove most of his clothing and attempt to climb up a chimney.

There's not a lot to do in Montana...we have lots of parkour enthusiasts out here.

There was actually a death that happened in one of our parking garages where an intoxicated individual was playing parkour and fell to his death. His family sued the City for negligence in the construction of the parking garage. It actually proceeded to a jury trial and the jury found the deceased 90% liable for the accident.

I'm unclear if parkour requires you to climb up/down a chimney, though. But it's an idea, I suppose. :)

UID's cause no one else does that.

If UM had ever felt compelled to do a segment on Natalie Wood's death while Robert Stack was alive, it might have been a very unique conflict of interest since he and Robert Wagner were very good friends (in fact, if you Google RS's original obituary, you'll see Wagner provide some glowing quotes about him). If Stack genuinely thought Wagner was completely innocent, he might have had a problem with UM trying to cast some suspicion on his longtime friend.

I would have to agree. As a personal friend of Robert Wagner, Robert Stack would have had trouble handling such a case objectively. It would have jeopardized their friendship, if not cause a permanent rift. Therefore, such a case would have been too much of a conflict of interest for Stack.

Not really a CURRENT mystery, but I always thought there should be an investigation into the death of Bobby Bloom, who had a top 10 hit in 1970 with "Montego Bay". He died of a gunshot wound a few years after that in what was termed an "accidental shooting", however, persistent rumors allege he was killed by another man in a fight over a girl.

The disappearance of Ray Gricar.

On the one hand it seems like a cut and dried suicide and they haven't found the body yet. On the other hand, there are all sorts of little mysteries within the mystery that make you wonder whether or not Gricar just took off (or possibly killed before he could take off).

The disappearance of Ray Gricar.

On the one hand it seems like a cut and dried suicide and they haven't found the body yet. On the other hand, there are all sorts of little mysteries within the mystery that make you wonder whether or not Gricar just took off (or possibly killed before he could take off).

The only detail that's always shied me away from thinking this was just a simple suicide is the cigarette ash and strong odor of cigarette smoke in Gricar's abandoned car. Since Gricar apparently detested smoking, it seems likely that someone else was in his car at some point unless just he just made the random decision to have some cigarettes before killing himself.

The only detail that's always shied me away from thinking this was just a simple suicide is the cigarette ash and strong odor of cigarette smoke in Gricar's abandoned car. Since Gricar apparently detested smoking, it seems likely that someone else was in his car at some point unless just he just made the random decision to have some cigarettes before killing himself.

The google search for how to destroy a hard drive is what makes me think this could be something more than suicide. Plus, there are even some conspiracy theorists out there who think that Gricar's earlier involvement with Jerry Sandusky could have led to his disappearance.

Christine Lindsey Walters

November 2008, a 23 year old Wisconsin woman walked out of a copy store in Eureka and disappeared without a trace.

A week earlier, Christine Lindsey Walters had been taken to the hospital after being found naked, bloodied and bruised on the doorstep of a home on the outskirts of Eureka. She said someone was out to get her and that they would find her wherever she went.

Walters would later tell her mother that she had been to hell and back and had seen demons while running through the woods days after drinking an hallucinogenic tea while participating in a cleansing ceremony. Once released from the hospital, she was taken to a Eureka hotel where her mother wanted her to stay until they could figure out how to get her back home.

A few days later, Walters went to a local store to get photo copies of her identification faxed to her so she could fly home. Her mother, Anita Walters, said she told her daughter she would come to California to get her, but Christine Walters said she was a big girl and would be fine. She never made it back to Wisconsin.

"I really thought it would be OK. I was so clueless," Anita Walters said. "I'll take that to my grave. I should never have listened to her. I wished I had just gone like I planned. I don't know why I couldn't have read into that. That is probably the thing that keeps me from having peace of mind, that I didn't go to her."

"I believe she was too trusting of the people she met in California. She didn't know the people and didn't understand the culture out there," Anita Walters said. "And I know there are a lot of young adults who go out there and don't want to be found. I honestly believe that is not the case for her. If she said that now, she would be totally brainwashed. Her and I were very close."

Five months before Christine Walters vanished, she left her home in Deerfield, Wis., for a trip to Portland, Ore., in July 2008. Her plan was to stay for three weeks of her summer vacation, but Christine Walters did not return back to school at the University of Wisconsin, Stevens Point. Instead she moved to California with some new friends she had met during her trip.

Christine Walters, then 23, arrived in Humboldt County in late September 2008.

A college friend described her as warm and welcoming.

"She was so thirsty to experience the world," Toni Osiecki said. "I remember her telling me that she was torn between so many different majors to choose from. Everything from anthropology to Spanish, to ethnobotany and anything with the arts. She just wanted to experience everything the world had to offer."

Something changed after Christine Walters moved to Humboldt, her mother said.

One week before she disappeared, Christine Walters participated in a cleansing ceremony that was believed to include a tea made with an illegal substance called ayahuasca -- a hallucinogenic brew produced from a South American vine that has drawn a following in recent years. She apparently stayed in Arcata for several days afterward with others who took part in the ceremony before leaving on Nov. 11, 2008.

The next morning, a couple found her on their Tompkins Hill Road home doorstep nearly 20 miles away.

Walters was taken to St. Joseph Hospital by deputies with the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office due to her injuries. She was naked and bleeding from lacerations all over her body. Her feet were nearly raw from running in the woods all night.

Private investigator Chris Cook, who was hired by the family, said there are reports of Christine Walters not wanting to be touched and not allowing herself to get physically close to people after she was taken to the hospital. Her mother said Christine Walters was evasive about the details of what happened to her. She said she did not want to talk much because the demons who were out to get her could hear what she was saying.

"They let her go because she was of age, and she wanted to go," Anita Walters said. "I was told there was a nurse there who said she should never have been released, but now I can't talk to her about it because of legal issues."

Christine Walters went to stay at a hotel in Eureka and called her mother several times the first day. Anita Walters said her daughter was paranoid and furtive, insisting that someone was coming to get her and would find her no matter where she went.

"After 23 years of raising her, I realized she was with different people in a different environment with different ideas. These ideas were not very good. It was after this tea ceremony that things went bad," Anita Walters said.

At the time of her disappearance, Walters was described as 5-foot-1-inches tall and weighing just over 100 pounds. She is white, with red hair, green eyes, and has two tattoos, one on her neck and the other on her hip.

^That would be a good case for a new UM to cover, I recently posted that in the Charley Project stories thread.

^That would be a good case for a new UM to cover, I recently posted that in the Charley Project stories thread.

Awesome... It's great to find someone else interested in Christine's disappearance! I have always been surprised by the lack of media attention her case has received. So many go missing in the area she disappeared, and unidentified body parts pop up constantly. The police in the area have no interest in their many missing person cases, as they make their money busting marijuana farmers for the Feds. Christine's case was supposed to be on Disappeared AND America's Most Wanted, but the police flat out refused to cooperate so both segments were canned. It's a shame... Her case is well known in her home state of Wisconsin, but many in Humboldt County, California have never even heard of her :( I went there once to put up posters... It is a VERY eerie area to say the least!

^That would be a good case for a new UM to cover, I recently posted that in the Charley Project stories thread.

Awesome... It's great to find someone else interested in Christine's disappearance! I have always been surprised by the lack of media attention her case has received. So many go missing in the area she disappeared, and unidentified body parts pop up constantly. The police in the area have no interest in their many missing person cases, as they make their money busting marijuana farmers for the Feds. Christine's case was supposed to be on Disappeared AND America's Most Wanted, but the police flat out refused to cooperate so both segments were canned. It's a shame... Her case is well known in her home state of Wisconsin, but many in Humboldt County, California have never even heard of her :( I went there once to put up posters... It is a VERY eerie area to say the least!

Awesome... It's great to find someone else interested in Christine's disappearance! I have always been surprised by the lack of media attention her case has received. So many go missing in the area she disappeared, and unidentified body parts pop up constantly. The police in the area have no interest in their many missing person cases, as they make their money busting marijuana farmers for the Feds. Christine's case was supposed to be on Disappeared AND America's Most Wanted, but the police flat out refused to cooperate so both segments were canned. It's a shame... Her case is well known in her home state of Wisconsin, but many in Humboldt County, California have never even heard of her :( I went there once to put up posters... It is a VERY eerie area to say the least!

oh wow, that's interesting to hear it was supposed to be on Disappeared. There is some uncertainty as to whether or not foul play was involved, so I'm not sure it would have been a good fit for America's Most Wanted. Considering California is practically a country unto itself, and that it has a high volume of missing persons (the most on Charley Project, with over 2,000 -- the most of any state, at last check.), her case may have just got lost in the shuffle.

oh wow, that's interesting to hear it was supposed to be on Disappeared. There is some uncertainty as to whether or not foul play was involved, so I'm not sure it would have been a good fit for America's Most Wanted. Considering California is practically a country unto itself, and that it has a high volume of missing persons (the most on Charley Project, with over 2,000 -- the most of any state, at last check.), her case may have just got lost in the shuffle.

Yeah, I get what you're saying :) I would agree with you, but the part of California she disappeared from was a very small town/community. Northern California (close to the Oregon border) is not very populated. What disturbs me the most about the Humboldt County Police is that they never seem to solve ANY of their missing person cases or murders. Even when they have BODY PARTS they very rarely ever identify them. Police will mention finding remains in an article, then you never hear of it again... as if the remains never existed at all. I follow these discoveries closely as I have a google alert on "Humboldt County humain remains."

You're right, it may not be foul play... I hope it's not. Christine could have had a bad reaction to the tea she drank willingly at the ceremony, then wandered off due to a mental break. She was experiencing hallucinations after all.

If she was of sound mind though, she had no reason to run away and start a new life... because she was ALREADY away and living a new life. Her parents were supportive of her move to California.

There is a very large homeless population in Humboldt Co, many of them criminals. A good majority of the locals are drugged out of their minds. AND, There are numerous cases of charred human remains found in refrigerators, for example. These dead bodies did not dispose of themselves. And to make things crazier, there are even cults in the area... There's so many possibilities of what could have happened to Christine.

Finally got around to reading about Joshua Maddux. Such a sad story, his brother committed suicide not long before he disappeared. I just hope his death was quick, I'd hate to think he suffered for a long period of time.

New Reddit thread has some interesting new tidbits: apparently there was rebar atop the chimney to keep animals out, which casts some doubt that Maddux voluntarily went down there. Also, he was found with just a shirt on, the rest of his clothes were INSIDE the house.

One weird case.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28991939/chimney-discovery-ends-mystery-over-young-mans-disappearance

I'm a couple years late on this case but the Elisa Lam death is intriguing me.

The video of her acting strange in the elevator is a little creepy. Her room was on the 4th floor yet the footage of her in the elevator, peaking out, and having a conversation with somebody (or possibly nobody) in the hallway is on the 14th floor, which is the top floor. She eventually leaves the elevator for good (still on the 14th floor) and police released no footage of her ever getting back in.

To get to the roof, she would have had to climb up one of the three fire escapes. There is a door to the roof for maintenance workers but if it's opened, it automatically sets off an alarm to the front desk and no alarm was set during the entire time she was missing.

If she did have some type of mental breakdown, it's still bizarre to me how she would have somehow climbed that water tank and gotten inside. And despite being in that tank for weeks, she had very little water in her lungs. She was bipolar but according to the autopsy report...

*Elisa took at least one antidepressant that day
*She had taken her second antidepressant and mood stabilizer recently, but not that day
*She had not taken her anti-psychotic recently
*She had no alcohol or common illegal drugs in her system

I guess the most logical explanation is she had some type of psychotic breakdown but it was still such a strange turn of events.

Elisa Lam is perfect. Although I think Lam's video is creepy, I don't think it's mysterious. I think she's clearly having some sort of mental episode. The most mysterious thing is how she got up on to the water tank and I think that kind of gets lost in many videos discussing the case because of the elevator video.