View Full Version : If Tony had found a male genie instead of Jeannie?


Frump
09-18-2013, 02:08 PM
What do you think would have happened if Tony found a male Genie instead of Jeannie?

Assuming he's not the Blue Djinn, he would prolly want to serve Tony, but do you think Tony would have still kept him around, and do you think they would have just hung out as like friends?

MickeyMac
09-18-2013, 05:11 PM
Hard to say. It would have had a lot less chemestry, thats for sure.

gilligan fanatic
09-18-2013, 06:28 PM
I think you might have a new pilot for the 2014-2015 season :lol:

Seriously, that would definitely make for an interesting show, especially today.

djinnitaur
09-19-2013, 04:53 PM
It could have worked if Tony already had either a girlfriend or a wife, some kind of long-term relationship with a woman. Tony would continue to be the only one that could command the djinni, but it could also cause some sexual tension (that so many people absolutely love) between the djinni and the GF/wife. And then you could introduce female djinn into the picture as relatives, friends, and so forth.

Care to write it now? ;)

king of comedy
09-19-2013, 05:58 PM
It could have worked if Tony already had either a girlfriend or a wife, some kind of long-term relationship with a woman. Tony would continue to be the only one that could command the djinni, but it could also cause some sexual tension (that so many people absolutely love) between the djinni and the GF/wife. And then you could introduce female djinn into the picture as relatives, friends, and so forth.

Care to write it now? ;)
Remember Disney's Aladdin? Robin Williams voiced a great male genie and he helped Aladdin find love and Jasmine became friends with Genie. So it could work between Tony and a male genie.

djinnitaur
09-19-2013, 11:44 PM
"E=king of comedy]Remember Disney's Aladdin? Robin Williams voiced a great male genie and he helped Aladdin find love and Jasmine became friends with Genie. So it could work between Tony and a male genie.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I remember it :)

However, that was a single story told, much like the pilot of IDoJ was a single story. The problem is that you then have to stretch that story out over multiple seasons. And yes, I know they did the cartoon series as well. But, if we're talking about having an IDoJ-like premise, then it would have to be different than Disney's version of the Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp story (including nixing all of Disney's "rules" the djinni couldn't do, as we saw Jeannie counter throughout the existing series.)

I'm not proposing that it couldn't work with a male djinni, only that having it be almost nothing more than a "Platonic friendship" between guys doesn't offer the other appeal we have with the current series: that of a sexy (and jealous) djinni. Unless you're going to make it more than friendship between Tony and the djinni, you've just lost that secondary appeal to audiences.

Now you could keep that part of the original and still have your male djinni. Just have both a male and female djinni come out of the bottle, with all the "love at first sight" by the girl, and then a rivalry between the two djinn over who gets to serve the master the most or in what ways. Double the trouble! :D"

Frump
09-20-2013, 03:00 AM
"E=king of comedy]Remember Disney's Aladdin? Robin Williams voiced a great male genie and he helped Aladdin find love and Jasmine became friends with Genie. So it could work between Tony and a male genie.
Yes, I remember it :)

However, that was a single story told, much like the pilot of IDoJ was a single story. The problem is that you then have to stretch that story out over multiple seasons. And yes, I know they did the cartoon series as well. But, if we're talking about having an IDoJ-like premise, then it would have to be different than Disney's version of the Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp story (including nixing all of Disney's "rules" the djinni couldn't do, as we saw Jeannie counter throughout the existing series.)

I'm not proposing that it couldn't work with a male djinni, only that having it be almost nothing more than a "Platonic friendship" between guys doesn't offer the other appeal we have with the current series: that of a sexy (and jealous) djinni. Unless you're going to make it more than friendship between Tony and the djinni, you've just lost that secondary appeal to audiences.

Now you could keep that part of the original and still have your male djinni. Just have both a male and female djinni come out of the bottle, with all the "love at first sight" by the girl, and then a rivalry between the two djinn over who gets to serve the master the most or in what ways. Double the trouble! :D"[/QUOTE]


If it were a male genie, I guess it could focus more on him getting Tony into trouble by trying to help, then somehow saving the day at the end.

djinnitaur
09-20-2013, 09:22 AM
If it were a male genie, I guess it could focus more on him getting Tony into trouble by trying to help, then somehow saving the day at the end.
Yes, it could be exactly like the show now, minus all of the relationship issues and plots you get with a man and woman situation.

So, edit out all of the romance, jealousies, sexual tension, and visual sexual appeal that we have now for what a "best buddies" version of IDoJ would look like ;)

Frump
09-20-2013, 03:33 PM
Yes, it could be exactly like the show now, minus all of the relationship issues and plots you get with a man and woman situation.

So, edit out all of the romance, jealousies, sexual tension, and visual sexual appeal that we have now for what a "best buddies" version of IDoJ would look like ;)


Well also you know there are some possesive friends lol

So he could be like, "Tony is MY friend, we're hanging out, so Roger and everyone else just BACK OFF!!" lol

djinnitaur
09-20-2013, 03:47 PM
I guess, if that's what y'all would like. It wouldn't really appeal to me, and would become more like the not-so-successful show You Wish.

andtherest
09-21-2013, 02:04 PM
Well also you know there are some possesive friends lol

So he could be like, "Tony is MY friend, we're hanging out, so Roger and everyone else just BACK OFF!!" lol
I suppose Tony could have found a Gay genie

king of comedy
09-21-2013, 05:00 PM
I suppose Tony could have found a Gay genie
A genie version of Uncle Arthur. That would have been hysterical.

Frump
09-21-2013, 10:38 PM
I suppose Tony could have found a Gay genie

Well I was thinking that, but I know that would not have worked back then.

king of comedy
09-22-2013, 06:11 AM
Well I was thinking that, but I know that would not have worked back then.
Paul Lynde was gay and his character worked on Bewitched.

djinnitaur
09-22-2013, 02:45 PM
Paul Lynde was gay and his character worked on Bewitched.
Yes, but his character was never identified or portrayed as gay. Most audiences would probably not even know the term unless the derogatory words were used to identify him that way.

As I understand the OP, our topic was supposed to be about how such a pairing would have worked in the original show, in its original time period. 'Gay' simply would not have worked in the 1960s. It either wouldn't have sold the pilot at all, or have been canceled mid-season, and then where would we all be now without this show? ;)

Frump
09-22-2013, 11:25 PM
Paul Lynde was gay and his character worked on Bewitched.

Like the other poster said, Paul Lynde might have been gay but Uncle Arthor was not. He had a few female love interests during the show.

comedyfreak
09-23-2013, 02:03 AM
I think you might have a new pilot for the 2014-2015 season :lol:

Seriously, that would definitely make for an interesting show, especially today.
No, it wouldn't they tried it in the 90's I think and it didn't last too long. I forgot the name of the show the Genie's name was Haboo or Baboo.

king of comedy
09-23-2013, 06:15 AM
Like the other poster said, Paul Lynde might have been gay but Uncle Arthor was not. He had a few female love interests during the show.He did? I never knew that. Now I'll have to watch the whole series to find his girlfriends.

hifijohn
11-17-2013, 03:51 PM
people may forget that jeannies were always male usually big and wearing something that looked like a diaper, but the shows producers were very smart, much of the appeal was barbara eden.

djinnitaur
11-17-2013, 11:17 PM
people may forget that jeannies were always male usually big and wearing something that looked like a diaper, but the shows producers were very smart, much of the appeal was barbara eden.

Not always. If you look at the old folk tales (not simply the One Thousand Nights and A Night collection) there were some female djinn. And if you then get further into the beliefs, there are whole families, hierarchies, and societies of djinn. And excellent book in which to find those details is the Encyclopedia of Spirits by Judika Illes :)

If you don't have access to the book (such as your local library doesn't carry it) here's a list of the female djinn detailed within:

Lalla Malika
Lalla Mimouna
Lalla Mira
Lalla Mkouna Bent Mkoun
Lalla Rekya Bint El Khamar

(Lalla is a Berber honorific term meaning "Lady", most often used to address female spirits.)

MacLeaper
11-18-2013, 06:22 PM
What do you think would have happened if Tony found a male Genie instead of Jeannie?

Wow- that would have sure killed the romantic aspect of the show. Yeah- that would be a much different show and I don't think it would have lasted nearly as long.....
A woman finding a male genie might be different though. I think the sitcom wanted that relationship aspect there to add to things.

visi
11-18-2013, 09:28 PM
I wouldn't have enjoyed the reruns near as much...if you know what I mean;)

king of comedy
03-04-2016, 07:37 PM
My favorite male genie was Robin Williams Genie from Aladdin. There was also Mongo from Magic Mongo.