View Full Version : 107 year old man in police shootout
tiredmike59 09-08-2013, 02:22 PM Not much info but here is the article.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/arkansas-standoff-107-year-old-man/2782117/
cleverfun3000 09-08-2013, 03:52 PM http://i.imgur.com/owgzHMP.jpg (http://lunapic.com>)
Janice 09-08-2013, 04:30 PM I think it's terrible. They did not have to shoot that man. He was obviously having some sort of a breakdown. They could have talked him down and waited him out. He wasn't going anywhere. Throw in one of those smoke cannisters that doesn't kill, but overtakes a person. He didn't have to die.
tiredmike59 09-08-2013, 04:41 PM He was about 6 years old when the Titanic sunk.
cleverfun3000 09-08-2013, 10:22 PM I think it's terrible. They did not have to shoot that man. He was obviously having some sort of a breakdown. They could have talked him down and waited him out. He wasn't going anywhere. Throw in one of those smoke cannisters that doesn't kill, but overtakes a person. He didn't have to die.
Seriously, You are RIGHT. He did NOT have to die. He wasn't going anywhere. They could have waited until he fell asleep by keeping a few officers on guard outside the door around the clock and in shifts. They COULD have waited it out. But no....these are police and police demand, I mean demand compliance upon their order. Period.
tiredmike59 09-08-2013, 11:21 PM He could of just been cranky because he needed his nap, no cause to blow him away like that.
JamesG 09-09-2013, 04:10 PM The shooting was justified here. You can't predict the actions of an unstable person w/ a firearm.
The officers tried negotiating and throwing in gas to clear the room, but the attempts failed. Deadly force was used only when the old man started to fire at the officers. They had to protect themselves and the people in the residence.
tiredmike59 09-09-2013, 04:26 PM The people were removed,it was just the old guy in there by himself.
JamesG 09-09-2013, 04:38 PM The people were removed,it was just the old guy in there by himself.
My mistake, thanks.
He still opened fire at the officers.
I think it's terrible. They did not have to shoot that man. He was obviously having some sort of a breakdown. They could have talked him down and waited him out. He wasn't going anywhere. Throw in one of those smoke cannisters that doesn't kill, but overtakes a person. He didn't have to die.
He fired shots at them. What were they supposed to do, let him
possibly wound or kill an officer? I am sorry the old man is dead,
but you shoot at police officers, you are likely to be shot back. I
happen to agree with JamesG on this one.
Family Ties Forever! 09-10-2013, 02:46 PM Lee, why did you quote Janice twice? Everyone is entited to their opinion and just because you don't agree with her you don't have to single her out. You have done that before in threads where a handful of people had the sampe opinion including Janice, yet you quote her, but not the others. Why?
Mr. Television 09-10-2013, 03:39 PM http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/questions-persist-standoff-death-man-107-20205992
Did 107-Year-Old Have to Die in Gun Standoff?
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. September 10, 2013 (AP)
By JEANNIE NUSS Associated Press
Associated Press
A police officer involved in a weekend standoff that left a 107-year-old Arkansas man dead has been placed on paid leave, authorities said Tuesday.
Pine Bluff Police Sgt. David DeFoor said the officer was placed on administrative leave immediately after he shot at Monroe Isadore, who opened fire on authorities.
"That is department policy when there's an officer-involved shooting that they're put on admin leave until the investigation is completed," DeFoor said.
Police would not identify the officer, who has not been charged with any wrongdoing. DeFoor said he believed the officer placed on leave was the only one who fired at Isadore.
Authorities have said they tried using a camera, negotiating tactics, and gas before shooting Isadore. But that hasn't answered questions from residents in Pine Bluff, a community of about 50,000 people some 45 miles southeast of Little Rock. Some are struggling to make sense of how someone known as a pleasant, churchgoing man who was hard of hearing and sometimes used a cane could die in such an explosive confrontation.
The fatal shooting happened Saturday after police said they were called to a domestic disturbance at the house where Isadore was staying.
Laurie Barlow, 48, of Lonoke, told officers she had gone to the house where Isadore was living temporarily to help him move to a new home, according to a police report. She said Isadore had previously been excited about the move but that when she arrived Isadore barricaded himself in a room.
"Ms. Barlow stated his granddaughter finally got him to open the door and she went around to speak with Mr. Isadore, at that time she stated Mr. Isadore raised his arm and pointed a gun at her and stated 'You better stop breaking in to my house,'" the report said.
After police moved Barlow and the granddaughter across the street, Isadore fired at a door moments after police tried to contact him. A SWAT team, called out when negotiations failed, maneuvered a camera into the house to see how Isadore was armed, then stormed inside after deploying gas and a distraction device, the report said. When Isadore fired, the entry team fired back.
It's not clear why authorities moved into the home when they did.
"I don't know what was going at the scene that would make them go ahead and go in," DeFoor said. "When shots are fired, it changes the whole idea of let's sit out here and wait."
Prosecutors are expected to review the case as early as this week.
Waterston_Fan 09-10-2013, 03:44 PM Sounds like his mental state was deteriorating at the time of the incident.
Family Ties Forever! 09-10-2013, 04:06 PM It sounds like he didn't recognize his own granddaugther. It's very possible that he may have been suffering from Alzheimers Disease. With the state of mind he was in he couldn't have been thinking rationally. I think the officers should have realized that and not used deadly force.
JamesG 09-10-2013, 04:13 PM It sounds like he didn't recognize his own granddaugther. It's very possible that he may have been suffering from Alzheimers Disease. With the state of mind he was in he couldn't have been thinking rationally. I think the officers should have realized that and not used deadly force.
Someone not thinking rationally who's in possession of a firearm is more reason to be cautious as you cannot predict what they will do.
The situation changed when he started firing at the officers. It's an unfortunate situation, but they had to protect themselves.
Janice 09-10-2013, 04:44 PM The guy was older than dirt. If the officers didn't get in his face, they wouldn't have had to protect themselves. They could have waited the guy out. He would have fallen asleep sooner or later. This wasn't Rambo we're talking about. He wasn't armed to the teeth. He had a handgun. I wonder if he was a grandfather of a member of the swat team, if the end result would have been the same.
Clear the house and wait him out. It would have been over by midnight.
Lee, why did you quote Janice twice? Everyone is entited to their opinion and just because you don't agree with her you don't have to single her out. You have done that before in threads where a handful of people had the sampe opinion including Janice, yet you quote her, but not the others. Why?
It was not my intention to single her out or attack her opinion, I just
had another comment I wanted to make. I probably should have put
that comment with my previous one, but I was only intending to state
my opinion. If I came across as attacking her opinion, I am sorry.
The guy was older than dirt. If the officers didn't get in his face, they wouldn't have had to protect themselves. They could have waited the guy out. He would have fallen asleep sooner or later. This wasn't Rambo we're talking about. He wasn't armed to the teeth. He had a handgun. I wonder if he was a grandfather of a member of the swat team, if the end result would have been the same.
Clear the house and wait him out. It would have been over by midnight.
And I disagree with your opinion. But, you are entitled to it.
Wawwie 09-10-2013, 06:47 PM The guy was older than dirt. If the officers didn't get in his face, they wouldn't have had to protect themselves. They could have waited the guy out. He would have fallen asleep sooner or later. This wasn't Rambo we're talking about. He wasn't armed to the teeth. He had a handgun. I wonder if he was a grandfather of a member of the swat team, if the end result would have been the same.
Clear the house and wait him out. It would have been over by midnight.
Agree.... the poor, confused man most likely had dementia. There was no need to use deadly force on a 107 year old confused man. Like you said, he eventually would have fallen asleep. The house was cleared. The swat team could have waited him out. Such a shame for a man to live 107 years only to be snuffed out in such a violent, deadly way.
tiredmike59 09-10-2013, 07:21 PM I wonder how many people in this country are older than he was?
Janice 09-10-2013, 07:38 PM I wonder how many people in this country are older than he was?
Not many. He was a treasure. It saddens me that it's come to this in our society, where a man with diminished capacity is gunned down like a vicious, hardened criminal.
tiredmike59 09-10-2013, 07:53 PM I always like to hear interviews from people that old, It's interesting to hear their accounts of history.
Mr. Television 09-10-2013, 08:04 PM I always like to hear interviews from people that old, It's interesting to hear their accounts of history.
I know what you mean. I remember when i was a kid and listening to my Grandmother tell stories of way back when. It's sad that a lot of people don't respect the elderly. They have a lot to offer.
tiredmike59 09-10-2013, 08:10 PM I know what you mean. I remember when i was a kid and listening to my Grandmother tell stories of way back when. It's sad that a lot of people don't respect the elderly. They have a lot to offer.
I have an old episode from a game show from back in the 50s and one of the guests is an old man who was a little kid in Ford's theatre the night Lincoln was shot. He described what he remembered that night, it was really fascinating.
Mr. Television 09-10-2013, 08:15 PM I have an old episode from a game show from back in the 50s and one of the guests is an old man who was a little kid in Ford's theatre the night Lincoln was shot. He described what he remembered that night, it was really fascinating.
Wow. I bet that was something to see. You read about these things in History Books but it isn't the same as hearing it from someone who was actually there.
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