I know UM had a few cases where LE thought they were suicide (Norman Ladner comes to mind). I know there are a few others but I cant think of them.. (I know one of them involves a young woman who they say shot herself even though it would have been impossible for her to do so)

If there is already a thread similar to this, sorry :wave:

I know UM had a few cases where LE thought they were suicide (Norman Ladner comes to mind). I know there are a few others but I cant think of them.. (I know one of them involves a young woman who they say shot herself even though it would have been impossible for her to do so)

If there is already a thread similar to this, sorry :wave:

I believe thegirl you are talking about was Rae Ann Mosser. Police said it was a suicide when experts say it was impossible for her to reach the trigger of the gun if pointing it at herself.

Some other cases I can think of where the cops thought it might be "suicide" are Cindy James, Tom Kueter and Bobby Fuller. I know there are many more but I can't think of them right now....

I believe thegirl you are talking about was Rae Ann Mosser. Police said it was a suicide when experts say it was impossible for her to reach the trigger of the gun if pointing it at herself.

Some other cases I can think of where the cops thought it might be "suicide" are Cindy James, Tom Kueter and Bobby Fuller. I know there are many more but I can't think of them right now....


Rae Ann Mosser... yes thats the one!!! Thank u!

Danny Williams
Tommy Burkett
Jeffery Digman
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Tony Lombardi
Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment
Mike O'Mara


Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.

Danny Williams
Tommy Burkett
Jeffery Digman
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Tony Lombardi
Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment
Mike O'Mara


Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.

I have seen all these cases and I am ashamed of myself that none of these came to mind. :/ ..What about Don Henry and Kevin Ives? Didn’t LE also assume it was a double suicide?

Danny Williams
Tommy Burkett
Jeffery Digman
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Tony Lombardi
Tom Young from the Keith Reinhard segment
Mike O'Mara


Those are the ones that first come to mind for me.

You beat me to it

Chad Langford and I think Steve Sandlin were also cases that were ruled a suicide. There's a case about 2 Army men who died mysteriously and their deaths were ruled suicides too.

I have seen all these cases and I am ashamed of myself that none of these came to mind. :/ ..What about Don Henry and Kevin Ives? Didn’t LE also assume it was a double suicide?

Fahmy Malak, Arkansas's ME at the time, did initially rule the deaths accidental. He claimed the boys had chain-smoked something like 20 marijuana cigarettes and then laid down on the tracks. Two out-of-state pathologists were called in by then-Governor Clinton to review Dr. Malak's findings. They determined the deaths were probably homicides. Of course, when the grand jury came around, Gov. Clinton blocked the subpoena of both those pathologists for testimony.

Chad Langford and I think Steve Sandlin were also cases that were ruled a suicide. There's a case about 2 Army men who died mysteriously and their deaths were ruled suicides too.

Yes, Langford was ruled a suicide. Sandlin's case, at the time, was assumed to be either an accident or a suicide. I'm not sure if it was even classified definitively as either. The two Army sergeants were Michael Carmichael and Billy Ray Hargrove.

Fahmy Malak, Arkansas's ME at the time, did initially rule the deaths accidental. He claimed the boys had chain-smoked something like 20 marijuana cigarettes and then laid down on the tracks. Two out-of-state pathologists were called in by then-Governor Clinton to review Dr. Malak's findings. They determined the deaths were probably homicides. Of course, when the grand jury came around, Gov. Clinton blocked the subpoena of both those pathologists for testimony.
Was this the jerk who threatened to show parents the mutilated pictures of their kids when they questioned his ruling? :mad: What a pathetic ME.

Was this the jerk who threatened to show parents the mutilated pictures of their kids when they questioned his ruling? :mad: What a pathetic ME.

Yes. This was also the guy that said a decapitation victim was actually a suicide victim whose head had been later eaten by a dog, and that a woman died by falling off a porch six inches off the ground.

Some other controversial, heavily debated cases that were considered to be possible suicides include:
Danny Casolaro
Dave Bocks
Andre Jones
Charles Morgan

I don't believe any of them were suicide, but find the idea that Dave Bocks killed himself to be especially ludicrous.

Yes. This was also the guy that said a decapitation victim was actually a suicide victim whose head had been later eaten by a dog, and that a woman died by falling off a porch six inches off the ground.
Ridiculous. Sounds like a lazy, incompetent arse of a man. I saw in another thread that he continues to be in practice, which just blows my mind.

Another case that takes the cake for having the worst theory ever? LE believing Doug Johnston may have been a suicide victim- even though there was no gun at the murder scene. :rolleyes: Yes, clearly guns just walk away on their own after being fired. Not to mention the distance at which he was shown to be shot.

Dave Bocks is also another one where I can't believe they would even consider suicide. Who would jump into a molting, fiery furnace? That's basically the most agonizing way you can take yourself out. Luckily, I don't think they actually labeled this one a suicide but just theorized.

I also strongly believe that Danny Casalero could not have killed himself, at least not in that manner. A man so squeamish of blood could not have slashed his wrists so many times- I don't know how anyone could slash their wrists so many times, enough to be fatal. Do you seriously pick up the mortally wounded wrist and move to your other wrist?? It just seems absurd and hard to pull off. Mainly, I don't believe someone so afraid of needles and blood could do that. :confused:


Sorry, I totally hijacked this thread with opinions. To get back on topic: Another one I think was not mentioned yet was George Reeves, known best for his role as Superman in the 50s. LE believed he probably took his own life.


I think Frank Olsen was also considered to be a suicide victim and the government later compensated his family for having given him LSD as part of an experiment. I think there was still a debate about whether or not he leapt through the window or someone pushed him. If I recall correctly, the glass of the window was broken, so his family was wondering why he would jump through glass if he wanted to jump rather than opening the window.

Ted Loseff, found in his garage. I also do not believe the suicide theory on this one. His wife's erratic behavior and the evidence presented by the housekeeper and mother all point to foul play, in my opinion.

Ted Loseff, found in his garage. I also do not believe the suicide theory on this one. His wife's erratic behavior and the evidence presented by the housekeeper and mother all point to foul play, in my opinion.

I agree; Ted Loseff was totally not a suicide. That whole day's ordeal was such a dirty scheme: It got the poor maid out of the house while Ted was murdered and it gave Wilda an alibi.


The ones I definitely don't believe were suicides:

Chad Langford
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Mike O'Mara
Andre Jones
Raeann Mossor
Doug Johnston
Charles Morgan
Jeffrey Digman
Tom Keuter


Ones that I'm not sure about:

Tommy Burkett (I used to think this one was a murder, but now I'm not as certain)
Danny Williams (I used to think this one was a suicide for sure, but I've grown away from that over the years)
Danny Casolaro
Steve Sandlin (Never convinced this was a suicide, never convinced it was a murder either)
Frank Olsen
Cindy James (I've NEVER known what to think on this one)
Bobby Fuller (I could see this one being an accident similar to what's been theorized with Kurt Sova, actually)

Ones I definitely think were suicides:

Tony Lombardi
Mike Carmichael and Billy Ray Hargrove

what was the case where the teenager went out to the woods to hunt,and was later found dead? it was ruled suicide,but his dad found something hanging from a tree (radio transponder or some signal device) and theorized he might have been killed due to witnessing a drug shipment drop.
I think there were also issues with the angle of the gun or something.And then someone told his mother to be quiet and not make a big deal about it or else.. some kind of threat..i don't recall.
also,what about the one where the college student's mailbox was broken into and he was chased to his house (as witnessed by a neighbor) and killed.911 tapes were erased and police said it had just happened,even though his parents said they could tell he'd been dead for awhile.then forensics found blood on the wall that had been wiped away.
these may be listed above,i just don't recall their names.thx for any info.

what was the case where the teenager went out to the woods to hunt,and was later found dead? it was ruled suicide,but his dad found something hanging from a tree (radio transponder or some signal device) and theorized he might have been killed due to witnessing a drug shipment drop.
I think there were also issues with the angle of the gun or something.And then someone told his mother to be quiet and not make a big deal about it or else.. some kind of threat..i don't recall.
also,what about the one where the college student's mailbox was broken into and he was chased to his house (as witnessed by a neighbor) and killed.911 tapes were erased and police said it had just happened,even though his parents said they could tell he'd been dead for awhile.then forensics found blood on the wall that had been wiped away.
these may be listed above,i just don't recall their names.thx for any info.

First one is Norman Ladner, the second is Tommy Burkett.

what was the case where the teenager went out to the woods to hunt,and was later found dead? it was ruled suicide,but his dad found something hanging from a tree (radio transponder or some signal device) and theorized he might have been killed due to witnessing a drug shipment drop.
I think there were also issues with the angle of the gun or something.And then someone told his mother to be quiet and not make a big deal about it or else.. some kind of threat..i don't recall.
also,what about the one where the college student's mailbox was broken into and he was chased to his house (as witnessed by a neighbor) and killed.911 tapes were erased and police said it had just happened,even though his parents said they could tell he'd been dead for awhile.then forensics found blood on the wall that had been wiped away.
these may be listed above,i just don't recall their names.thx for any info.

Norman Ladner. His case struck me as odd too.

The ones I definitely don't believe were suicides:

Chad Langford
Ralph Sigler
Keith Warren
Mike O'Mara
Andre Jones
Raeann Mossor
Doug Johnston
Charles Morgan
Jeffrey Digman
Tom Keuter

I agree about Ted Loseff, Doug Johnston, Charles Morgan, and Keith Warren. Langford, Sigler, and O'Mara I'm on the fence about. I think Keuter, Digman, and Andre Jones were definite suicides.


Ones that I'm not sure about:

Tommy Burkett (I used to think this one was a murder, but now I'm not as certain)
Danny Williams (I used to think this one was a suicide for sure, but I've grown away from that over the years)
Danny Casolaro
Steve Sandlin (Never convinced this was a suicide, never convinced it was a murder either)
Frank Olsen
Cindy James (I've NEVER known what to think on this one)
Bobby Fuller (I could see this one being an accident similar to what's been theorized with Kurt Sova, actually)

I think Tommy Burkett, Danny Williams, Cindy James, and Bobby Fuller were definite suicides. I think Steve Sandlin was an accident, and I am on the fence with Casolaro.

Ones I definitely think were suicides:

Tony Lombardi
Mike Carmichael and Billy Ray Hargrove

I agree with Lombardi, but I have no idea about Hargrove and Carmichael. I find it hard to believe one guy would become so despondent over his friend's suicide that he would follow suit a few weeks later.

There's one that comes to mind. And I can't think of his name. :(

He disappeared at work. Police think he killed himself by jumping into the furnace (I think it was a furnace.)

There's one that comes to mind. And I can't think of his name. :(

He disappeared at work. Police think he killed himself by jumping into the furnace (I think it was a furnace.)

That's Dave Bocks. I always thought he was murdered. I don't think his death was ever ruled anything but "undetermined". The suicide was just a theory since he allegedly tried to kill himself once before. They also said an accident was possible.

That's Dave Bocks. I always thought he was murdered. I don't think his death was ever ruled anything but "undetermined". The suicide was just a theory since he allegedly tried to kill himself once before. They also said an accident was possible.

That's the one thanks.

The killer(s) had the perfect opportunity to make it seem like a suicide. Since he supposedly tried before. :( wish the police looked more into the case.

MegtheEgg, just curious as to why you're on the fence about Danny Casolaro.

Considering what he was researching, the death threats, the fact that his years and years of research conveniently disappeared at the time of his death and his intense fear of blood....the last person I would think would kill himself by slashing his wrists, that always stood out to me as a murder made to look like a suicide.

I am kind of “on the fence” on how I feel about Cindy James. I feel as though maybe she drove herself insane which eventually led to her suicide. I just find it strange that even though she was under surveillance they never found the guy. Perhaps her divorce led to a mental breakdown? She moved, changed her last name, painted her car and they even said she was withholding information.

Another one who I think committed suicide is the man from Tennessee who just vanished. His car was found near a bridge and a truck driver also had seen him at a truck stop and bought him breakfast. (I am sorry I am horrible with names). Although, he was just considered “missing”, I think he did commit suicide.

I can't gel with suicide with Cindy James considering the answering machine messages. It's too coincidental.

Norman Ladner was ruled a suicide despite everything pointing against it. It's the same with Dave Bocks or Keith Warren, if you believe suicide it just doesn't add up considering how they were found.

Gail Delano committed suicide, too. No question about her suicide whatsoever.

My own two cents: No way did Dave Bocks commit suicide. To throw oneself in a furnace... that had to hurt like a mother******. I would think that someone would choose a way to die that would be less painful. I can only hope Dave was knocked unconscious before someone tossed him in.

Danny Casolaro did not commit suicide. I don't see how someone can slice up their wrists that many times (he had a severed tendon in one wrist. Ouch.) And he was known to be squeamish of blood. Plus he was doing some hardcore investigative journalism that was going to piss a lot of people off when it was published.

Cindy James: I think she was likely murdered, but I don't know why I think that. Probably because I don't want to believe that Cindy James did all that to herself. That poor tortured woman.

Norman Ladner/Keith Warren: I think they were both murdered. Again, I can't offer a motive as to why.

Tony Lombardi: Wasn't this the one where his Mom saw movement in his room after the estimated time of death? If that's the case, I think he was likely murdered as well.

wasn't Burkett found beaten to death though? I don't see how that could be suicide,esp.given the circumstances surrounding his death.

With the Cindy James case, wasn't she found with her hands tied behind her back. A nylon tied tightly around her neck and enough drugs in her body to kill herself ? How on earth did she do that to herself ?

I remember seeing an interview with a cop. He said there was a way for her to do that to herself.

I just can't see anyone being able to do that.

Apologies if any of the following have already been mentioned. These may have been ruled suicides, suspected suicides, or definite suicides.

Mario Amando - the guy who was in Mexico on vacation with his brother and their girl friends. Police said he committed suicide with his sweater while in his jail cell.

Clarence Roberts - the guy who died twice in house fires.

Joe Owens - the man who killed his wife and put her in the strangely constructed compost box in their yard.

Charles Morgan - found shot in the head while wearing a bullet proof vest. Strange $2 bill with writing on it found clipped into his underwear.

Curtis Pishon - security guard who went missing. Was a policeman but had to retire due to severely poor health.

Robert Dirschel - the man found dead in his bedroom from a shot gun blast inflicted while he was applying athlete's foot treatment.

Mike O'Mara - the cop who was found shot and slumped over a rock at the gas station while fueling his car.

Leroy Drieth - stabbed in the throat, but his death was ruled suicide by car after he crashed into a tree.

Chad Mauer - found dead in his car in a garage in another state.

Steve Sandlin - rookie cop found shot.

Kurt Cobain

Adam and Elena Emery - Adam was convicted in a mistaken identity murder.

Leah Roberts - went on a spur of the moment cross country trip. Her abandoned car was found wrecked in the forest.

Tom Kueter - was found dead under his forklift truck after his girlfriend went missing and her car was found to be tampered with.

Not to mention Nyleen Kay Marshall's mother. Although she only appeared on UM because she was looking for her daughter, she was killed in Mexico and it was ruled a suicide.

Gail Delano committed suicide, too. No question about her suicide whatsoever.

My own two cents: No way did Dave Bocks commit suicide. To throw oneself in a furnace... that had to hurt like a mother******. I would think that someone would choose a way to die that would be less painful. I can only hope Dave was knocked unconscious before someone tossed him in.

Danny Casolaro did not commit suicide. I don't see how someone can slice up their wrists that many times (he had a severed tendon in one wrist. Ouch.) And he was known to be squeamish of blood. Plus he was doing some hardcore investigative journalism that was going to piss a lot of people off when it was published.

Cindy James: I think she was likely murdered, but I don't know why I think that. Probably because I don't want to believe that Cindy James did all that to herself. That poor tortured woman.

Norman Ladner/Keith Warren: I think they were both murdered. Again, I can't offer a motive as to why.

Tony Lombardi: Wasn't this the one where his Mom saw movement in his room after the estimated time of death? If that's the case, I think he was likely murdered as well.

The Gail Delano case really bugged me. MAYBE I am wrong, but it seems like she only killed herself because she couldn’t find a man or stable relationship. Very selfish on her part. I hope her family/sons were able to move on because I am sure it was hell for them not knowing what happened to her and then only to find out she had committed suicide.

I think the Keith Warren case was race related. Dont know why, just the vibe I got from that case. I know his friend mentioned in the segment that he had mostly "white" friends but maybe a mutual friend was bothered by it.

Funny how the Dave Bocks/Dale Kersetter case are similar in a way. Both of them worked in some kind of plant, both of them pretty much vanished. (Even though I am sure Dave Bocks' remains are still somewhere in the plant)

MegtheEgg, just curious as to why you're on the fence about Danny Casolaro.

Considering what he was researching, the death threats, the fact that his years and years of research conveniently disappeared at the time of his death and his intense fear of blood....the last person I would think would kill himself by slashing his wrists, that always stood out to me as a murder made to look like a suicide.

The main reason I'm on the fence is precisely because of the alleged blood aversion.

At autopsy, it was determined Danny Casolaro was clearly in the early stages of multiple sclerosis and he was already experiencing symptoms before his death. I feel his "fear of blood"--which was cited consistently as refusal to have blood drawn in a clinical setting--might have been a fear of actually being diagnosed with an illness for which there is no cure and prognosis is constantly up in the air. Terminal illness is also a common reason people attempt or commit suicide. Just a thought that keeps sticking with me.

The main reason I'm on the fence is precisely because of the alleged blood aversion.

At autopsy, it was determined Danny Casolaro was clearly in the early stages of multiple sclerosis and he was already experiencing symptoms before his death. I feel his "fear of blood"--which was cited consistently as refusal to have blood drawn in a clinical setting--might have been a fear of actually being diagnosed with an illness for which there is no cure and prognosis is constantly up in the air. Terminal illness is also a common reason people attempt or commit suicide. Just a thought that keeps sticking with me.

Never thought of that. It makes perfect sense. I could see how his brother would think he had a fear of needles or blood if Danny wouldn't even let him draw blood from him. I think he committed suicide because he found out that the "Octopus" wasn't the story he'd hoped it would be.

With the Cindy James case, wasn't she found with her hands tied behind her back. A nylon tied tightly around her neck and enough drugs in her body to kill herself ? How on earth did she do that to herself ?

I remember seeing an interview with a cop. He said there was a way for her to do that to herself.

I just can't see anyone being able to do that.The theory was that the drugs wouldn't have kicked in yet, but it seems like such a silly way to kill yourself when there are far more efficient ways to do it. There was also the answering machine message that you can hear at Cindy's sister's site which is obviously a male's voice.

There's definitely more to the case than supposed suicide.

At autopsy, it was determined Danny Casolaro was clearly in the early stages of multiple sclerosis and he was already experiencing symptoms before his death. I feel his "fear of blood"--which was cited consistently as refusal to have blood drawn in a clinical setting--might have been a fear of actually being diagnosed with an illness for which there is no cure and prognosis is constantly up in the air. Terminal illness is also a common reason people attempt or commit suicide. Just a thought that keeps sticking with me.

I did NOT know that. That's a very interesting point.

Funny how the Dave Bocks/Dale Kersetter case are similar in a way. Both of them worked in some kind of plant, both of them pretty much vanished. (Even though I am sure Dave Bocks' remains are still somewhere in the plant)
it is,isnt it.seems there was something valuable and or something amiss in both cases.
I do think dave got cremated in the fire though.with nothing left but his glasses, or whatever was found.

The main reason I'm on the fence is precisely because of the alleged blood aversion.

At autopsy, it was determined Danny Casolaro was clearly in the early stages of multiple sclerosis and he was already experiencing symptoms before his death. I feel his "fear of blood"--which was cited consistently as refusal to have blood drawn in a clinical setting--might have been a fear of actually being diagnosed with an illness for which there is no cure and prognosis is constantly up in the air. Terminal illness is also a common reason people attempt or commit suicide. Just a thought that keeps sticking with me.

You raise some valid points but what also troubles me about the suicide theory is why , of all the places in the continental United States, did he choose Martinsbug ,WV ? If he just wanted to end his life why not just do it in his home or some hotel nearby ?

Danny must have been lured there, the hotel was a busy hotel for conferences and therefore its the sort of place were the people who lured Danny could blend in and not be noticed . I dont mean this disrespectfully but Martinsburg is also a small town , with small town and small county cops and its precisely the sort of setting nefarious people trying to stage a murder need. Just look at how quickly the cops concluded suicide and turned over the crime scene . Why wasnt Danny`s embalming investigated if his family didnt consent to it and it was illegal in WV?

If a cover up was involved all the people who killed Danny needed was to be in good books with local and county cops who would have investigated the case and in a small place like Martinsburg that wouldnt be too difficult as there arent that many cops anyway. Another thing is -a small place like Martinsbrg would have cops who hadnt dealt with tonnes of murders and suspicious deaths hence it wouldnt be too dificult to sway them into concluding suicide by staging the crime scene as Danny`s killers did.

I know there are some good points points regarding the argument for suicide but there are also many question marks about a lot of things surrounding Danny`s demise . The embalming is the biggest red flag and then you start to ask
- why Martinsburg of all places?
- why slitting your wrists if Danny feared blood as people close to him say he did?
-why did all his notes and stuff on this case disappear ?

There is jsut too many loose ends to safely file away Danny`s case as suicide ......

You raise some valid points but what also troubles me about the suicide theory is why , of all the places in the continental United States, did he choose Martinsbug ,WV ? If he just wanted to end his life why not just do it in his home or some hotel nearby ?

Not everyone chooses to commit suicide at home or somewhere in the immediate area. Gail Delano sadly flew all the way to Mobile, AL from her home in Maine specifically to commit suicide in a location far from home, the logic being that the suicidal individual will be "less of a burden" if they just up and go somewhere else rather than have everyone "deal with them", even though this is of course rarely the case most of the time. Families are typically immediately alarmed and invest much time and resources into trying to find their loved ones. The point is, committing suicide in what seems to be an unusual geographical location isn't uncommon.

Danny must have been lured there, the hotel was a busy hotel for conferences and therefore its the sort of place were the people who lured Danny could blend in and not be noticed . I dont mean this disrespectfully but Martinsburg is also a small town , with small town and small county cops and its precisely the sort of setting nefarious people trying to stage a murder need. Just look at how quickly the cops concluded suicide and turned over the crime scene . Why wasnt Danny`s embalming investigated if his family didnt consent to it and it was illegal in WV?

If a cover up was involved all the people who killed Danny needed was to be in good books with local and county cops who would have investigated the case and in a small place like Martinsburg that wouldnt be too difficult as there arent that many cops anyway. Another thing is -a small place like Martinsbrg would have cops who hadnt dealt with tonnes of murders and suspicious deaths hence it wouldnt be too dificult to sway them into concluding suicide by staging the crime scene as Danny`s killers did.

Martinsburg isn't exactly Bumpkinville. It's pretty near Hagerstown, MD.

I think you're making generalizations about police departments. While I don't doubt that small police departments can be inept and corrupt, large ones can be just as susceptible.

The embalming is the biggest red flag

I agree that it's strange. But embalming doesn't rule out the opportunity for autopsy, nor does the embalming process alone wildly skew many findings for an experienced medical examiner.

why did all his notes and stuff on this case disappear ?

I don't know. That is interesting on the surface. But I am willing to consider that this might not be as nefarious as some think it may be. Someone in the main thread mentioned inflating research. That's a possibility as well.

Not everyone chooses to commit suicide at home or somewhere in the immediate area. Gail Delano sadly flew all the way to Mobile, AL from her home in Maine specifically to commit suicide in a location far from home, the logic being that the suicidal individual will be "less of a burden" if they just up and go somewhere else rather than have everyone "deal with them", even though this is of course rarely the case most of the time. Families are typically immediately alarmed and invest much time and resources into trying to find their loved ones. The point is, committing suicide in what seems to be an unusual geographical location isn't uncommon.



Martinsburg isn't exactly Bumpkinville. It's pretty near Hagerstown, MD.

I think you're making generalizations about police departments. While I don't doubt that small police departments can be inept and corrupt, large ones can be just as susceptible.



I agree that it's strange. But embalming doesn't rule out the opportunity for autopsy, nor does the embalming process alone wildly skew many findings for an experienced medical examiner.



I don't know. That is interesting on the surface. But I am willing to consider that this might not be as nefarious as some think it may be. Someone in the main thread mentioned inflating research. That's a possibility as well.

I would agree that large police departments do have corruption issues but they also have lots of non corrupt cops and Internal affairs . With small town police departments if you manage to corrupt a chief and his detectives then you will have almost or if not certainly corrupted the entire investigation from the get go.This therefore makes it easy to set up a conspiracy in a small town because if a serious crime is called in you know exactly which cops will be investigating it as there are only so few cops around... threfore
you can more easily derail and screw up an entire investigation. Its possible that the parties responsible for Danny`s demise could have compromised the local police to make sure the ensuing investigation was screwed right from the start .....

Regarding embalming I agree that it does not rule out future autopsies etc but the process of washing the body and diplacement of the blood and intersticial fluid means future avenues for investigation like blood toxicology tests are screwed . This has implications in Danny`s case because since he was seen drinking earlier; therefore an autopsy should have resulted in tests of his blood alcohol level and to also to determine the posibility that he was incapacitaed with some chemical - if indeed he was a victim of foul play by some unknown parties .......

Regarding Danny inflating his research -- in the other thread I outlined how the people Danny said he would expose were interconnected therefore Danny`s digging into the Octopuss would have uncovered dirt that would have lead to serious trouble for President Reagan and Bush. As I said before this Octopuss connection was HUGE ! Other unsolved murders are also in-directly linked to the stuff Danny was investigating. A good example is the 1987 murders of Don Henry and Kevin Ives in Arkansas- which were ironically profiled in UM - those boys are suspected to have stumbled into the players who were smuggling drugs on planes that were used to transport arms to the Contras and bring back the cash. Some of the funding for those Contras deals is linked to the illegal use of PROMIS which Danny was trying to get to the bottom of . Some of this cash may have passed through BCCI . Im sure you are familiar with how the investigation into those boys and how some people tried to make it look like it was an accident but lucky enough their families hired an independent pathologist to do a second autopsy. Its also amazing how many people connected to those boys were systematicall murdered and some were made to look like accidents etc ....and all that stuff also had implications for President Clinton.

So if you follow the tentacles of the Octopuss you will find many suspicious deaths like Danny`s and many brutal ones like the ones in 1981 at the INdian reservation in Riverside county and many others...

This thing was huge and Danny`s investigation was going to have to implications that would have lead to A LOT of people getting into serious trouble all the way up to the 3 presidents (Reagn, Clinton and Bush).

To fully realize how HUGE this was -the judge who ruled against the Federal government in the Inslw lawsuit had his judge renewal blocked and that ended his career on the bench- clearly some people higher up in the justice dept werent pleased with him - now you start to see how a big a cover up was involved , and all this was stuff Danny was going to blow the whistle on ....before he met his untimely end and all the odd things (like the embalming) that followed the his discovery in that hotel room ......