Afternoon all and apologies for having been away for a while.

A quick poser for anyone who's interested - whose performances on UM would have scored highly for 'artistic merit', were sort of convincing and seemed to make logical sense up to a point, but you came away simply not believing them, or they were later disproved?

There are many good liars in the world and UM is no exception to this, although spotting a convincing liar is a pretty difficult thing to do without some sort of intuition or tip-off (i.e. he's a politician!!).

Over and out,

Dazinho

I still think it's possible that Rob Shafer made up the whole story about his girlfriend Angela Hammond being abducted from the phone booth. I lean towards not believing it with a slight chance that it is all actually true.

I would like to know more details from Rob about what exactly Angela was doing before the point that she reached the phone booth on the main road of the town.

Jeff MacDonald.

Charlotte Pollis' mother and siblings.

Stuart Heaton seemed fairly convincing in his segment - enough that even with the paring wounds to his hands and the eyewitness accounts of his particular vehicle being at the victim's home, if there hadn't been DNA evidence that further corroborated the case against him, the possibility is that reasonable doubt might have won out at the trial.

I still think it's possible that Rob Shafer made up the whole story about his girlfriend Angela Hammond being abducted from the phone booth. I lean towards not believing it with a slight chance that it is all actually true.

I would like to know more details from Rob about what exactly Angela was doing before the point that she reached the phone booth on the main road of the town.

There isn't a single, solitary piece of evidence that links Rob Shafer to this crime. None. It's a theory that was born out of people obsessed with the case and trying to look impressive by "thinking outside of the box". If you know more or want to elaborate, please share.

And being that Rob wasn't with Angela in the moments immediately preceeding her abduction, how could he possibly know what she was doing?

Charlotte Pollis' mother and siblings.

Agreed.

Glen Consagra.

There isn't a single, solitary piece of evidence that links Rob Shafer to this crime. None. It's a theory that was born out of people obsessed with the case and trying to look impressive by "thinking outside of the box". If you know more or want to elaborate, please share.

And being that Rob wasn't with Angela in the moments immediately preceeding her abduction, how could he possibly know what she was doing?


There isn't any evidence or witnesses (besides Rob's account) that can prove that there was a dirty, bearded man whom abducted Angela Hammond and drove a truck with a fish decal on the back, either.

Jeff MacDonald.

Yep, there's your hands down winner! Unless he decides to confess someday, the guy has successfully convinced enough people that they are going to be proclaiming his innocence until the end of time.

Stephen Geri is a guy whom I found convincing to a point until it became apparent that he was going out of his way to look TOO convincing. There was no real evidence against him, but the way he asked for receipts at all those businesses and then went back there the day after the murder to remind everyone he had been there just reeks of a guy trying way too hard to establish an alibi.

Stephen Geri is a guy whom I found convincing to a point until it became apparent that he was going out of his way to look TOO convincing. There was no real evidence against him, but the way he asked for receipts at all those businesses and then went back there the day after the murder to remind everyone he had been there just reeks of a guy trying way too hard to establish an alibi.

Yes! That whole the-one-morning-I-change-my-routine-my-wife-gets-murdered thing never set well with me.

There isn't any evidence or witnesses (besides Rob's account) that can prove that there was a dirty, bearded man whom abducted Angela Hammond and drove a truck with a fish decal on the back, either.

He was cleared as a suspect in 1992, most likely because phone records could verify the call from the payphone to the Shafer house. And because Rob's little brother could verify that he was babysitting him that entire time.

I'm really, REALLY surprised people still think he was responsible for her abduction.

The "Confess Your Crime" guys were pretty convincing even though they were lying.

Lisa Penz. She was soooo lying when she said that basically everyone that came through the door to apply for a job was on drugs. Total BS! She only said that to down play the fact that she didn't do proper background checks and reference checks when hiring Bonnie Wilder.

Jeffrey MacDonald
Bob Hall
Glenn Consagra
John Branion
Stuart Heaton
Larry Race

I'm still amazed that people still want to blame Rob Shaffer. The guy was ruled out as a suspect by authorities shortly after Angela Hammond was abducted.

Jeffrey MacDonald
Bob Hall
Glenn Consagra
John Branion
Stuart Heaton
Larry Race

I'm still amazed that people still want to blame Rob Shaffer. The guy was ruled out as a suspect by authorities shortly after Angela Hammond was abducted.
I never thought John Branion was guilty.

I never thought Bob Hall was guilty, amd I've actually revised my conclusions on Branion and Race since I first saw those segments. I don't think they're guilty either. As to the guilt of the rest of those guys, unequivocally yes IMO.

Stephen Geri is another one who was believable but guilty, IMO.

Perhaps this is using the term "convincing" loosely, but I nominate Eugene Richmond, Steven Cox's business partner. I strongly feel he was in on that scam very early on, if not from day one, and that golly-gee-I-didn't-know routine he gave in that interview seemed like a huge load of bull.

"Convincing performances you did not believe."

I think that's a wee bit contradictory.

Larry Race...his "take" on what happened literally made no sense to me.

AND

That boyfriend of that nice waitress in the strip club. I am so angry at him!!!
I never, never liked his answer to the question, "Did you do it?" and of course, he pulled out the religious card. Heartbreaking. Truly.

AND

That one guy who killed his 3 year old. Detestable! I felt almost personally betrayed when they said he was convicted and went to jail, although I think others have mentioned the sentence was ultra light.

Perhaps this is using the term "convincing" loosely, but I nominate Eugene Richmond, Steven Cox's business partner. I strongly feel he was in on that scam very early on, if not from day one, and that golly-gee-I-didn't-know routine he gave in that interview seemed like a huge load of bull.

Totally forgot about this guy! I love when the elderly lady says, "Eugene Richmond is a liar!" after he gives some half-assed response about being honest and upfront with her.

To the previous responses related to my OP, I did not realize that a call from that pay phone had been traced to Rob Shafer's residence at the time she was to have been abducted. That does seem to prove Rob's innocence. I apologize.

Totally forgot about this guy! I love when the elderly lady says, "Eugene Richmond is a liar!" after he gives some half-assed response about being honest and upfront with her.

Ughhhh he's the most annoying interviewee ever featured on UM. He just seemed to have such a weak constitution and poor character. All he did the entire time was shift EVERY bit of the blame to Cox when he was just as responsible, and then basically tried to say he was a victim--like he was brainwashed by his buddy or something. Please, you're a grown man. Just no backbone at all. No fight. No nothing. He reminds me of a spaghetti noodle.

Ughhhh he's the most annoying interviewee ever featured on UM. He just seemed to have such a weak constitution and poor character. All he did the entire time was shift EVERY bit of the blame to Cox when he was just as responsible, and then basically tried to say he was a victim--like he was brainwashed by his buddy or something. Please, you're a grown man. Just no backbone at all. No fight. No nothing. He reminds me of a spaghetti noodle.

IIRC, didn't he at least come back and face the music unlike Cox?

IIRC, didn't he at least come back and face the music unlike Cox?

Only after Cox's wife came back to tell the whole story to authorities. THEN he came back. :lol:

I have to agree about Stuart Heaton. He gave a pretty convincing interview, but I still think he's guilty.

Lisa Penz. She was soooo lying when she said that basically everyone that came through the door to apply for a job was on drugs. Total BS! She only said that to down play the fact that she didn't do proper background checks and reference checks when hiring Bonnie Wilder.

^ This.

The people who supposedly taped ogopogo. I believe that they thought they taped it but I agree with the wildlife guy that it was a beaver. I also think they got defensive and added the things about it being green after the wildlife official called them on it.

Jeff MacDonald.
Amen to this. He is a very convincing liar.