just wondering what people though on this UFO episode

Well, I don't think it's a hoax. Maine people are honest hard working people for the most part. I'm not sure what the heck happened to them,but I'm sure something did.

Well for me it's quite possibly the creepiest story UM has ever profiled. The creepy part of it being that it all feels very real. In my opinion the men either suffered some type of mass hallucination brought on either by the elements or intoxication or they are telling the truth.

As benoitbabe stated something happened to those men that night, whether or not you believe they were abducted by aliens or not.

I think they were on some good stuff that day.

I don't care to debate,but these men were all artists,and they all had a reason to lie.And if you are familiar with true crime and the methods ppl use to lie,this story can easily be picked apart,starting with the HUGE bonfire they made,and then boated away from.You'd have to be mindless to build such a fire and stir up such a risk in the forest where no one else is around,and then get into a boat and basically paddle away from it. (oh yeah..and the night fishing,bc they werent catching anything in the daytime...an excuse for them all to be together in the boat at night).
Not to mention,you mean to tell me that the UFO saw a tiny beam from a flashlight and FLEW twds it,yet failed to even so much as notice a HUGE bonfire....seriously????
Also,when this story was aired on the History channel..it's on the forbidden site,or at least it used to be...one of the twins changed his story...in true crime,it's a BIG BIG indication of a lie!! (I'm not calling them criminals,only if you use the same methods of lie detection,you can see they aren't being truthful).Suddenly,instead of ending up on the edge of the lake w a flashlight,he said the aliens were in the water,next to the boat,trying to postion them into it.WHOA.
And one of the men so much as admitted it didn't happen...he said "but did it really happen????"I think he knew full well the hyponotist was leading them on,into a false recollection.that is done a lot w these ufo stories...the ufo research organizations LOVE it.it's a way of 'proving' their stories.
Also,notice that Charlie was WAYYY to defensive...WHY??? because he was LYING.being overly defensive is a BIG indication of a liar.it's not on the show,but he also later claimed some sort of visitation by aliens during the night at his house. (@@).also notice he aligned himself with a real event (the asteroid hitting Jupiter).This is commonly done when someone isn't being truthful.
Anyway,as I said,pls research and find the truth here...don't just believe what you see on tv,or whatever story is aired.we all know tv is all about money and ratings.and it isn't always a crime to lie.anyone can do it.yes,even honest-appearing ppl.you would be surprised.
I don't care to debate,these are just my thoughts,and you are free to think what you want of the story.
also...I'm pretty sure one of the twins was into alien phenomena before this story,and he built a house(or some sort of outbuilding) that was shaped like a UFO,claiming a 'visitation' inspired him.these men also sell their 'alien' artwork as well.
In short,I don't care how many yrs it had been sinced they claimed the story,I think it's all a flat-out HOAX and I think they used the camping trip as a story (yes I know from the pic they really went),got together on it later,visited a ufo researcher w an agenda to get attention...and got on UM.JMO.

and oh yes...don't forget the 'beam me up Scotty' method they said the aliens used to get them from the boat onto the 'spaceship'..UM basically completely glossed over this one w simply a drawing,BECAUSE they knew it would be so completely unbelievable.NICE GOING UM!

and oh...shouldn't that BOAT they said they got beamed out of,simply have floated away on the lake,while they were on the 'ship'???? funny how it ended up beside them on the shore,when they claimed they got back....


*my head hurts*

I challenge anyone to go back and rewatch this story,and pick it apart using true crime/methods of lying,if you want to see the truth on this one.

re: the boat,hmm..

Alien no. 1: hey,you know we beamed them outta their boat,gotta get that sucker back on shore with them..i know we abducted them for a while,but hey..they'll need their boat for the rest of their trip..we gotta be thoughtful of them...

Alien no. 2: where did it drift off to??? wait...i'll find it.. ::uses mass beam locator::

Alien no. 1: Ok now.i've beamed it back on shore w them...they'll never notice a thing now....except maybe us flying off.

(did you catch that?? the men saying the boat being back onshore with them was an excuse for them having it for the rest of the trip!)

I think they were on some good stuff that day.
It WAS the 70s...:lol:

In all honesty, I thought the men seemed extremely honest. And it's probably my favorite UFO segment (so creepy). And the part where they shine the light at the object and it comes toward them and then Charlie says "my curiosity was satisfied and I wanted to get away from it" as the music crescendos is classic chill factor. I don't really believe in little green men, but I think they definitely experienced something. And now I am going to have a hard time sleeping...

if any of u are familiar with maine youll know that the allagash is COMPLETELY remote from civilization so if ur gonna abduct someone u might as well do it where there wont be witnesses

I don't dismiss the possibility of "intelligent" life outside earth. I don't at all dismiss the likelihood something did happen to those men out there that night. I don't know how I feel about putting them together, but it really isn't for me to feel. THEY certainly feel it happened; that's what matters.

Yeah, at the very least, I think THEY genuinely believe what happened to them was real and they certainly don't across as people who are perpetuating a hoax. Their details about the experience during the hypnosis sessions are so similar that it would have taken an awful lot of trouble for all four of these guys to keep their phoney stories straight.

This is definitely my favourite UM UFO case and one of my favourite segments, period! I remember when I watched it on DVD for the time in years. When I first saw the cheesy special effects, I wondered why this segment scared me so much when I younger. However, once they got to the composite sketches of the aliens with the audio from the hypnosis sessions playing over them, I remembered EXACTLY why this story scared me so much!

BTW, on the DVD commentary over this segment, John Cosgrove said that Robert Stack was usually skeptical about most of the UFO stories, but even he seemed genuinely perturbed and shaken up by this case.

if any of u are familiar with maine youll know that the allagash is COMPLETELY remote from civilization so if ur gonna abduct someone u might as well do it where there wont be witnesses
..and if you're gonna start a fire so big you risk burning down the whole forest,you might as well do it where there are no firemen to come to the rescue.jmo.

It's possible that they did witness lights that they were unable to identify. It's hard to find a neutral source online, but in some of the accounts, when they left the park the following day, they asked a ranger about the lights, who said that they were searchlights. I don't think everyone who's claimed to have seen a ufo (whether it was man made technology or not) is lying or hallucinating.

What's problematic is the regressive hypnosis used on all of the men by someone who wasn't a mainstream mental health professional (he was a teacher and hypnotist) who also just happened to be involved in UFO research. Regressive hypnosis was used in recovered memory therapy (this is the same method utilized in claims of "recovered" or buried memories of ritual or sexual abuse and past lives). The practice is now cautioned against by many mental health associations, due to cases of false memory syndrome - practitioners creating or evoking false memories in individuals, in some cases resulting in strikingly similar narratives. I don't think that these guys are lying but the validity of the memories is highly questionable.

another thing is only 3 of the 4 guys came out to the media about it

1 of them doesn't want to relive it

It's possible that they did witness lights that they were unable to identify. It's hard to find a neutral source online, but in some of the accounts, when they left the park the following day, they asked a ranger about the lights, who said that they were searchlights. I don't think everyone who's claimed to have seen a ufo (whether it was man made technology or not) is lying or hallucinating.

What's problematic is the regressive hypnosis used on all of the men by someone who wasn't a mainstream mental health professional (he was a teacher and hypnotist) who also just happened to be involved in UFO research. Regressive hypnosis was used in recovered memory therapy (this is the same method utilized in claims of "recovered" or buried memories of ritual or sexual abuse and past lives). The practice is now cautioned against by many mental health associations, due to cases of false memory syndrome - practitioners creating or evoking false memories in individuals, in some cases resulting in strikingly similar narratives. I don't think that these guys are lying but the validity of the memories is highly questionable.

This is an excellent point. I don't believe the men are perpetuating a hoax, and I think they genuinely believe they were victims of an abduction. But if they did see search lights and confused them as a UFO, and then went to a "regressive hypnotist" who brought about false memories, I think you have the recipe for 4 guys truely believing they were abducted.

Yes, that is a good point about the unreliability of the regressive hypnotist, but didn't these guys claim they were all having the exact same recurring dreams BEFORE they even went under hypnosis?

However, one thing I've never been clear on is if all four of the guys were having these dreams or if it was just the twin brothers? I know UM has done their own segments on the psychic bonds between twins, so I'm not sure if it's common for twins to have the exact same dreams at the same time. It would probably be less eerie if it was just them having the dreams and not their two friends.

Yes, that is a good point about the unreliability of the regressive hypnotist, but didn't these guys claim they were all having the exact same recurring dreams BEFORE they even went under hypnosis?

However, one thing I've never been clear on is if all four of the guys were having these dreams or if it was just the twin brothers? I know UM has done their own segments on the psychic bonds between twins, so I'm not sure if it's common for twins to have the exact same dreams at the same time. It would probably be less eerie if it was just them having the dreams and not their two friends.

IIRC, the segment says just the brothers had the nightmares.

BTW, on the DVD commentary over this segment, John Cosgrove said that Robert Stack was usually skeptical about most of the UFO stories, but even he seemed genuinely perturbed and shaken up by this case.
I really wish RS had been able to be part of the commentary. That would have been excellent and I'd love to hear more about his opinions on cases. It gives me chills to hear that even he was shaken up.

What was his opinion on the tiny UFO that flew through the bedroom window, I wonder? ;) (I love that the lady was healed but I really have a hard time believing that one...)

someone came up with a theory that they made this story up in order to get publicity for their art.

Taken for what it is, I like the segment. However, in no way do I believe that this actually happened. I think like other people who heard humming and had rain fall on them randomly, they were looking for attention.

They experienced something bizarre. What it was, I have no idea. I do not believe they are lying. They are telling the truth of what they believe happened. Whether it really did happen, or it was some kind of drug induced hallucination? Dont know.

I tend to give their story more credence then most, because I do believe we have been visited and also have recovered downed alien spacecraft.

I think they were high. I really don’t believe any of the UFO stories as it is(they are interesting and I'll watch them but i dont believe them)… The fact that they could finish each other sentences when describing the incident just seems to me as they planned it out…

IMO they were either on drugs and imagined the whole thing or they all made up the story together so that they could sell their paintings. I don't believe the men were abducted by a UFO.

yeah as well made as the segment was, this whole thing can easily be explained in that they just made it up or were on drugs.

IMO they were either on drugs and imagined the whole thing or they all made up the story together so that they could sell their paintings. I don't believe the men were abducted by a UFO.

Yup. Remote location (so no witnesses around to confirm there were no unusual lights in the sky) + memories "recovered" by some crank hypnotist = a load of nonsense.

Well made segment though, given the budget and special FX constraints of the time.

It should also be noted that Jim Wiener held an interest in UFO's and alien abduction. He was the one who suggested to the specialists he was seeing that he and his friends may have been abducted.

I've also read the guys came across a park ranger who told them there were searchlights in the area where they were camping. Perhaps, the searchlights could have been the UFO lights they saw?

I don't put a lot into UFO stories. I usually fast-forwarded past them when I would record UM while I was in class at college. That being said, I thought this story was interesting, to say the least. SOMETHING happened, that's for sure. Was it the result of a bad acid trip or something more? I don't think we'll ever know.

The UFO story that REALLY got me was Frederick Valentich. "It's hovering... and its not an aircraft." Chilling.

Chuck Rak created a comic book based on the incident; his account on his site mentions that a park ranger told the four men that a town around 75 miles away had searchlights beaming that same evening. It sounds like Rak believes that they did witness strange lights that night rather than searchlights, but he has some skepticism about the information recovered during the hypnotic sessions: http://www.chuckrak.com/index.php/allagash

A theory is that one of the Weiners sustained an injury years after the sighting which caused seizures and strange dreams of alien figures. He went to doctors and wasn't satisfied with their answers about what was causing the dreams, and eventually met Ray Fowler, a ufo researcher who sent them to the hypnotist.

I don't put a lot into UFO stories. I usually fast-forwarded past them when I would record UM while I was in class at college. That being said, I thought this story was interesting, to say the least. SOMETHING happened, that's for sure. Was it the result of a bad acid trip or something more? I don't think we'll ever know.

The UFO story that REALLY got me was Frederick Valentich. "It's hovering... and its not an aircraft." Chilling.

Yeah the Valentich one is odd. No possible explanation I've heard (spatial disorientation, purposeful dissapearance) has been satisfying to me. I am not saying it was definetly a UFO....I dont know what it was. It's a strange story, that is all I know for sure.

I've also read the guys came across a park ranger who told them there were searchlights in the area where they were camping. Perhaps, the searchlights could have been the UFO lights they saw?

This is probably what that was. Why would the Park Ranger (who had no reason to lie) tell them there were searchlights if there weren't? This proves there was a search going on at the time in the area where the men were camping, and in all probability this is what they saw.

And that link to Chuck Rak's website basically says he was lying (under hypnosis) because he thought of all the money that they could make on the alien abduction story. He does state that they saw something they couldn't identify, but doesn't mention anything about missing time, or a large fire disappearing immediately, etc.

"I heard Charlie knifing his paddle blade into the water as the twins wildly clawed the surface with their hands. I remained fixed on the object with the paddle in my lap thinking, wasn’t the point to communicate? The object was responding to our signal. Wasn’t this what we wanted? Besides, where were we going at night in the middle of the lake? In response to the commotion, the beam started withdrawing, and the object began turning away. I was angry. This was a chance few people get to interface with vastly superior intelligence and the vastly inferior intelligence in the boat was throwing away the opportunity of a lifetime like four year olds running from a neighbors Halloween mask.

As I sat there amidst the pandemonium, with the paddle in my lap, I never broke my spellbound attention on the object and its behavior. Slowly at first, it turned from a full moon to a brightly lit crescent, with the beam ascending skyward and playing out ahead of the orb in an upward and southerly trajectory. In an accelerating, somewhat wobbly progression, the thing passed in front of the first strip of alto stratus cloud, then behind the second strip, reemerged and faded into the distance over Mt. Katahdin. This was the totality of the experience as I remember, at least in a visceral way.

We beached the canoe with all our fishing gear and paddles intact and accounted for. Being such a mild evening, the fire was of minor concern. We made our way up a small rise from the beach, to a nearby picnic table and discussed the incident for some time. The light from the fire eventually dimmed to coals and Charlie made a half hearted offer to stoke it. Feeling tired and subdued, we opted to crawl in to our sleeping bags."

And during the hypnosis:

"I knew the point of the whole exercise was to substantiate the ground work put in place by Ray Fowler and the twins, which was ALIEN ABDUCTION. After all, it was in our best interests to sell the story by means of Rays book, TV appearances, interviews, UFO conventions and movie rights. As he was putting me under a light trance, I’m sure Tony couldn’t help notice the dollar signs in my eyeballs.

Tony was sitting directly in front of me almost as close as a dental hygienist. Ray was on a bench a few feet away. Tony brought me to the point in the story where the beam was approaching the canoe. He asked me what happened next. All I could think of was what actually happened; the panic and the beam going away, but I felt that would have been an unacceptable answer. I sat there and tried to allow my artists imagination take over. I pondered the void of my memory. “WHO’S ON THE BENCH?,” Ray commanded with military bearing. Why Ray and Tony, I thought to say but that answer would have been even more unacceptable. Finally with all that was at stake, I relaxed, let what was out there enter my mind and let it interact with what was inside. Thus, what came forth was a series of vague snippets of being levitated aboard a craft, witnessing an examination performed on the prone figure of Charlie Foltz, by alien beings and an amorphous source of light, like my friend Brads house where he has draped different colored blankets below the fixtures in preparation for the bi weekly acupuncture clinic. This was not part of the visceral testimony to which I have so far described. Instead it was a form of mental imagery, which I later used to create the colorful art work displayed on the Allagash portion of my website gallery. The graphite images (black and white), and color images of the Allagash UFO itself, appearing as part of the publication “The Allagash Incident,” by Chuck Rak and Jack Weiner, represent my actual memories without any hypnotic induction. The computer graphics by Jack Weiner represent his memories while under hypnosis."

I am neutral on UFO phenomenon as a whole (but open to the possibility). I saw another interview with them where they scoffed at the 'they were on drugs' claim, as all as the publicity for art, considering none of them put it into drawings/paintings for years afterwards.

I think Chuck Rak's take was probably correct; they saw a strange light on 2 occasions that they couldn't explain (but unlike the UM segment, Rak mentions that the first incident there were more witnesses to than just the four of them), and the rest of it was cooked in their heads by the 'regression hypnosis' thing. Rak seems annoyed at skepticism of the 'lights' he did see, and near the end does mention believing that there is something 'out there'.

Still a striking segment. We have to remember that several Unexplained segments of UM showed undoubtedly true yet unexplained phenomenon - the Oakville Blobs and the Gurdon Light (which I have been told, is fairly easy to see) fall into that category, maybe the light they saw was something else strange like that, who knows.

This case scared me to the bone when it first aired as an alien abduction special, but today i can't believe it was aliens because i honestly don't think aliens come here and abduct people.

However i do believe they actually saw something, but as far as being abducted no, the fact that two of them claimed to have been visited again multiple times by aliens, where the beings would come to their house and experiment them on their bed is ridiculous.


Here is what i think:

What they saw could be a UFO but that is as far as it went and they may have blown it out of proportion and made up the abduction part, maybe they did have nightmares that very night and think the nightmares were the real thing. Maybe it was an acid trip and they saw stuff, or again while on acid they dreamed about aliens and convinced themselves that it actually happened.

Notice how one of them did not appear for the segment, because maybe he never believed it in the first place or never had the dreams or he didn't want to go along with the hoax. In any case a UFO could have been seen but thats it, there weren't any aliens.

Notice how one of them did not appear for the segment, because maybe he never believed it in the first place or never had the dreams or he didn't want to go along with the hoax. In any case a UFO could have been seen but thats it, there weren't any aliens.

No, Chuck Rak who discounts the story about the abductions (though not the lights) was in the segment, along with the other 3.

No, Chuck Rak who discounts the story about the abductions (though not the lights) was in the segment, along with the other 3.

Sorry i guess since i haven't seen it in a while,i don't remember him at all, i guess he was not in it that much, but i'm right that he doesn't believe in the abduction aspect of it.

I believe they lied. maybe its that hitler theory where if you believe in something false long enough it eventually becomes true in your own head. hitler believed in "providence" which is just "something out there", not god, not nothing, but hitler believed providence was on his side and why he survived numerous death hits. he thought he was meant to be the world leader. nope.

since these 4 guys lied about their story too bad one guy didn't lie also and say he was out there the same night and didn't see any lights.

I believe the other guy who said they lied in order to sell their art more. but its not like their art is famous today lol. you never hear about them or their art on a national scale.


Yup. Remote location (so no witnesses around to confirm there were no unusual lights in the sky) + memories "recovered" by some crank hypnotist = a load of nonsense.

Well made segment though, given the budget and special FX constraints of the time.

YOU GO GIRL! I agree with you - lol. the fact that they could finish each others sentences/stories makes it seem even more like they planned it.

the only bad thing about this story - whether its true or made up is that for the rest of their lives they are known as those small townspeople who are weird because they saw aliens. they probably get picked on at work by suspecting coworkers.

too bad UM didn't have an update to this story. combine alagash with wackers and call it "WACKER-GASH". it could be a true story where the 4 campers are being stalked and harassed at their house. they receive phone calls, letters on door step, etc. and they are all pissed off.


I think they were high. I really don’t believe any of the UFO stories as it is(they are interesting and I'll watch them but i dont believe them)… The fact that they could finish each other sentences when describing the incident just seems to me as they planned it out…

u have a pic of tom Johnson, could it be the real u?

I find it funny that one guy (or two) said the aliens came to their house later on to "fool around". there is no way, even with high--tech technology from space aliens, that they could track down the men later on in a completely different town and area and go to their house.

unless they have a space chip inserted into one of the men and its a tracking device. though I doubt that.

if I ever have kids I think what I will do is play a joke on one. when my boy is 6 years old pay a little midget some money to dress up in alien suit and come into his room. my kid would get freaked out and tell me about it. I would tell him that I don't believe him. but he will always believe in aliens lol. then when he is age 40 I could tell him its a joke



This case scared me to the bone when it first aired as an alien abduction special, but today i can't believe it was aliens because i honestly don't think aliens come here and abduct people.

However i do believe they actually saw something, but as far as being abducted no, the fact that two of them claimed to have been visited again multiple times by aliens, where the beings would come to their house and experiment them on their bed is ridiculous.


Here is what i think:

What they saw could be a UFO but that is as far as it went and they may have blown it out of proportion and made up the abduction part, maybe they did have nightmares that very night and think the nightmares were the real thing. Maybe it was an acid trip and they saw stuff, or again while on acid they dreamed about aliens and convinced themselves that it actually happened.

Notice how one of them did not appear for the segment, because maybe he never believed it in the first place or never had the dreams or he didn't want to go along with the hoax. In any case a UFO could have been seen but thats it, there weren't any aliens.

u have a pic of tom Johnson, could it be the real u?

Tom Johnson was such a creep and i've always wondere about his whereabouts, but another thread says he may be connected to another crime, and his name could have been Tom Steeples, too bad i can't find a pic of Tom Steeples because then we can make the connection.

I find it funny that one guy (or two) said the aliens came to their house later on to "fool around". there is no way, even with high--tech technology from space aliens, that they could track down the men later on in a completely different town and area and go to their house.

unless they have a space chip inserted into one of the men and its a tracking device. though I doubt that.

if I ever have kids I think what I will do is play a joke on one. when my boy is 6 years old pay a little midget some money to dress up in alien suit and come into his room. my kid would get freaked out and tell me about it. I would tell him that I don't believe him. but he will always believe in aliens lol. then when he is age 40 I could tell him its a joke

Then your kids will be the ones on tv telling their story :eek: , Oh man your kids will hate you when they are 40 :mad: ;they may put you in the retirement home faster:lol:

if I ever have kids I think what I will do is play a joke on one. when my boy is 6 years old pay a little midget some money to dress up in alien suit and come into his room. my kid would get freaked out and tell me about it. I would tell him that I don't believe him. but he will always believe in aliens lol. then when he is age 40 I could tell him its a joke


Way to scar your kid for life

No, Chuck Rak who discounts the story about the abductions (though not the lights) was in the segment, along with the other 3.

Odd since he said things under hypnosis then.

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Jim Weiner had something removed from his leg, and his doc couldn't ID it. Then the lump was sent to a specialist and a Dept. of Defense member came and took it away.

So obvious now they were making it up for attention

I think it happened :ufo: and the beings responsible have a lot of damn nerve. :alien:

I think it happened :ufo: and the beings responsible have a lot of damn nerve. :alien:
I think it is a farse. I personally think chuck racks rant towards the end of the segment is too defensive and over the top. Also how would there not be any more witnesses anywhere in the remote area that would have seen the UFO to back up their sighting?

Having said this it is still one of my fav segments lol.

it's so obvious now why they would make this up


the men were artists, you can see their drawings in the segment.



they wanted get attention for their artwork and probably wanted to sell it.


I can't believe we didn't realize this before.

Unfortunately I don't think there is enough information either way. Long ago I thought this was certainly true. The men in the segment seemed legitimate towards what happened. Now I'm not so sure. I'm guessing we'll never know. Hopefully it really didn't happen. A lot of what was described was truly disturbing.

The Allagash abductions were the first case featured on a recent program, UFOs Crashed My Vacation. Three of the four witnesses appeared. One said he didn't believe they were actually abducted, but alarmed by a craft he accepts as a UFO. The other two recounted suppressed, but recovered, memories of what occurred during their abductions.

The case had to have been very real not every person there can have the exact same dream I accuatly want to go to that forest

"“We were compelled to stay together, all speculating that this thing could go into the millions of dollars for each of us,” Rak said. “We made very little.”

Rak said he and the others eventually had a falling out, after which he began telling people that the abductions never took place.

He stopped short of describing the Allagash Abductions as an outright hoax. “I don’t call it a hoax, just brilliant storytelling. It’s not the truth, but I have to admire the storytelling ability of these guys,” he said."

https://fiddleheadfocus.com/2016/09/10/news/community/top-stories/subject-of-1976-ufo-incident-casts-doubt-on-allagash-abductions/

That guy is being way too generous, why not just call them liars if that's what they are

Just because you cant see it does not mean they are not there

You can’t prove a negative. By that logic since I can’t prove you don’t make fur coats out of kittens, you must make fur coats out of kittens.

This case was featured on a Beyond the Unknown episode on December 29, 2019.

It’s obvious that this didn’t happen. The question is whether these men imagined all this when they likely on drugs or if they deliberately concocted the story for fame and attention. What do you guys think?

How do I feel about it? I feel cold like a doctors office.

Out of all the UFO mysteries, it’s one of the corniest. Really stupid pathetic liars who were smoking a lot of weed.

I wanted to THROTTLE ‘EM:lol:

Supposedly saw it while stoned but were not abducted. https://fiddleheadfocus.com/2016/09/10/news/community/top-stories/subject-of-1976-ufo-incident-casts-doubt-on-allagash-abductions/

I think that their "recovered memories" were created during the hypnosis. Hypnosis back then was regarded as basically a truth telling device. Now it's a known fact you can make someone believe anything in hypnosis. Particularly if you lead the subject a certain way.

"“We were compelled to stay together, all speculating that this thing could go into the millions of dollars for each of us,” Rak said. “We made very little.”

Rak said he and the others eventually had a falling out, after which he began telling people that the abductions never took place.

He stopped short of describing the Allagash Abductions as an outright hoax. “I don’t call it a hoax, just brilliant storytelling. It’s not the truth, but I have to admire the storytelling ability of these guys,” he said."

https://fiddleheadfocus.com/2016/09/10/news/community/top-stories/subject-of-1976-ufo-incident-casts-doubt-on-allagash-abductions/

So that changes a lot. It is one thing to drift apart and not have much in common and another thing to start telling a different story from your friends that you all agreed on earlier. The thing is, while I know Rak is saying that he did this for money, the truth is he would have been lying about it too at one point. It wasn't as if he was a guy in his 20s anymore, he was probably 40 when the segment aired on UM. So the question remains is Charles telling the truth, or are the other three?

I tend to believe that they had more than just two beers on 12 days or whatever it was out in the wilderness. That's bogus to me. But it is the drugs that could tell a different story. Rak says that they were high when they went out on the lake that night. The others say they never had any drugs with them. Well, which is it?

My thought has always been that I believe in UFO's but not aliens. So I do believe in abduction stories, because I believe there is something in every story that causes people to believe this. From a religious angle, I would personally say that if you are a believer in God - and Satan - than these stories do make sense and the people saying them aren't crazy. Satan could make you think you were aboard a UFO for a few hours and then end up right back in the same canoe you came from assuming it was just a few minutes. It explains the fire dying down. And it also explains other people who experienced "lost time" when seeing a UFO.

Think about someone such as Howard Storm who almost died, claimed he basically was on the doorsteps of hell and then when he cried out to God the demons around him got angry and fled and left him alone.

All I am saying is that with these stories this is the thing I lean towards. I have seen things in the sky that came from the ground such as a "Grand Opening" event that shines lights in the sky, as Rak mentions a forest ranger would have described what it was. But those lights don't chase you on the lake and basically paralyze time, or perceive to at least. So there was something different they saw, or thought they saw. Throw in the drugs and it all makes sense. But I do believe they were deceived into thinking all of the things they thought. It doesn't mean it happened, it just means they aren't liars, I don't think.


Lastly, wow is the Allagash river ever remote in Maine. That's a lot of forest with no sign of life around.