In the episode the Checkup Florida states she was a maid in the past but never said where and said it in a way like it was before she met James. Now since James picked her up at Maude's most of the time wouldn't she have said this instead?

"And when I was Maude's Maid, forgive me, I was the best damm maid there was"


So the way she said it in this episode is like james never knew she was a maid in the past and that she had to bring that to his attention.



So that's it, it's nothing else to debate now



http://youtu.be/aOdBLSLVuls

She does make it sound like being a maid was in a time in her life before she knew James.

In the episode the Checkup Florida states she was a maid in the past but never said where and said it in a way like it was before she met James. Now since James picked her up at Maude's most of the time wouldn't she have said this instead?

"And when I was Maude's Maid, forgive me, I was the best damm maid there was"


So the way she said it in this episode is like james never knew she was a maid in the past and that she had to bring that to his attention.



So that's it, it's nothing else to debate now



http://youtu.be/aOdBLSLVuls

No, because before she was Maude's maid she was a maid for someone else. Maude wasn't the only person Flo worked for.

No, because before she was Maude's maid she was a maid for someone else. Maude wasn't the only person Flo worked for.
^ That was Henry's wife Florida, not James Evans' wife Florida.

No, because before she was Maude's maid she was a maid for someone else. Maude wasn't the only person Flo worked for.



Come on, she could have said, "you know when I worked for Maude"


Why would she skip her previous employer and talk about someone else?????????????????????


Good Night, Debate Over:lol: :lol:

Come on, she could have said, "you know when I worked for Maude"


Why would she skip her previous employer and talk about someone else?????????????????????


Good Night, Debate Over:lol: :lol:

Who speaks that way? Come on now. Be for real. Even you know that sounds ridiculous.

Who speaks that way? Come on now. Be for real. Even you know that sounds ridiculous.


Because she stopped working for Maude during that same season:lol: :lol:


So of course she would mention Maude

Because she stopped working for Maude during that same season:lol: :lol:


So of course she would mention Maude

No she wouldn't, because she was a maid period, it doesn't matter who she worked for. When I was 16 I worked as a cashier (even though I didn't work there a week) at a fast food place, right after that I was a cashier at a clothing store and at a hair salon. Now, if I was having a convo with someone about working in retail, I would say that "I was the best Cashier there was". I'm not going to name every company or even the last company that I worked for as if I'm reading a resume.

I hope that you don't have aspirations of becoming a script writer, because you would not make it.

No she wouldn't, because she was a maid period, it doesn't matter who she worked for. When I was 16 I worked as a cashier (even though I didn't work there a week) at a fast food place, right after that I was a cashier at a clothing store and at a hair salon. Now, if I was having a convo with someone about working in retail, I would say that "I was the best Cashier there was". I'm not going to name every company or even the last company that I worked for as if I'm reading a resume.

I hope that you don't have aspirations of becoming a script writer, because you would not make it.


Sorry weak. She also could have said and you know i was a maid before


She said it like she was giving him new info

She said it like she was giving him new info
She did sound like she was talking to James about her life as a maid before she knew him. Otherwise, she would have said "You know when I was a maid, I was a damn good maid." But she didn't mention anything about him knowing her history. It did sound like she was explaining her past life to him.

Sorry weak. She also could have said and you know i was a maid before


She said it like she was giving him new info

I would think that as long as Flo and James were married, he would have known that she was a maid in the past. Also when you're having an argument with something you make key points. And it did not sound as though she was releasing new info about her past, she was getting her point across. Your explanation is the weak one. You do not go around saying your past employers by name if that is the only particular line of work that you've done in the past, especially in an argument.

AND, if YOU think that she should have said Maude's name, AND if YOU think that she sound as if she was JUST letting James know that she was a maid in the past. Shouldn't James have said or asked "You were a maid?".......He did not say that because he ALREADY KNEW IT.

She did sound like she was talking to James about her life as a maid before she knew him. Otherwise, she would have said "You know when I was a maid, I was a damn good maid." But she didn't mention anything about him knowing her history. It did sound like she was explaining her past life to him.



Exactly

I would think that as long as Flo and James were married, he would have known that she was a maid in the past. Also when you're having an argument with something you make key points. And it did not sound as though she was releasing new info about her past, she was getting her point across. Your explanation is the weak one. You do not go around saying your past employers by name if that is the only particular line of work that you've done in the past, especially in an argument.

AND, if YOU think that she should have said Maude's name, AND if YOU think that she sound as if she was JUST letting James know that she was a maid in the past. Shouldn't James have said or asked "You were a maid?".......He did not say that because he ALREADY KNEW IT.


The point I;m making is they had not too long left Maude so if that was the case then her name should have been mentioned. She didn't have to say and WHEN I WAS A MAID like it was 10 years ago.

It was 4 months ago

The point I;m making is they had not too long left Maude so if that was the case then her name should have been mentioned. She didn't have to say and WHEN I WAS A MAID like it was 10 years ago.

It was 4 months ago

Umm Sir, You are acting as if they were in real time. You should know that sitcom time and real life time are two different times. Also it still would not have made any sense for Florida to say Maude's name.

And with that I'm done because I have to get up early in the morn'ting, got's to praise my Jesus.

Umm Sir, You are acting as if they were in real time. You should know that sitcom time and real life time are two different times. Also it still would not have made any sense for Florida to say Maude's name.

And with that I'm done because I have to get up early in the morn'ting, got's to praise my Jesus.


It was during the same sitcom time, 1973-74 TV season:lol:


Good Night.

It was during the same sitcom time, 1973-74 TV season:lol:


Good Night.

It doesn't matter, TV time is totally different from real time. One season could equal out to be 5 years or something, you should know that.

It doesn't matter, TV time is totally different from real time. One season could equal out to be 5 years or something, you should know that.


When the Jeffersons spinned off in the same season they maintained the AITF connection by having the same hairstyle and clothes


Good Times had

different hairstyles
different clothes
different city
different names


LOL,

When the Jeffersons spinned off in the same season they maintained the AITF connection by having the same hairstyle and clothes


Good Times had

different hairstyles
different clothes
different city
different names


LOL,

What does Florida being spun-off into her own show have to do with AITF. Her character was spun-off, why is it that you're not getting that?

Mark & Mindy was a spin off of Happy Days, WHY? Because his character was spun off into his own show.

What does Florida being spun-off into her own show have to do with AITF. Her character was spun-off, why is it that you're not getting that?

Mark & Mindy was a spin off of Happy Days, WHY? Because his character was spun off into his own show.


And Fonzie appeared in the first episode.......:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And Fonzie appeared in the first episode.......:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are totally missing the point.

You are totally missing the point.
The point is that Maude's housekeeper Florida (wife of Henry) is NOT the same character as Florida Evans (wife of James.)

NOT A SPIN OFF!

The point is that Maude's housekeeper Florida (wife of Henry) is NOT the same character as Florida Evans (wife of James.)

NOT A SPIN OFF!


Thank You. And below is a list of spinoffs that all maintained the connection of their parent shows

Flo
Maude
Jeffersons
Mork and Mindy
Family Matters
Joanie Loves Chachi

Thank You. And below is a list of spinoffs that all maintained the connection of their parent shows

Flo
Maude
Jeffersons
Mork and Mindy
Family Matters
Joanie Loves Chachi

Florida Evans was spun off into her own show. Character names change. Henry Jefferson was originally Weezy's husband before they got Sherman on board. Jenny was a totally different girl on AITF than on The Jeffersons, so was Helen and Tom. You can continue to believe that GT wasn't a spinoff and nothing you can say will change my mind. Even Lear said that it was a spinoff.

BUT...Did you watch "Life After: BernNadette Stanis" on TVOne?

Florida Evans was spun off into her own show. Character names change. Henry Jefferson was originally Weezy's husband before they got Sherman on board. Jenny was a totally different girl on AITF than on The Jeffersons, so was Helen and Tom. You can continue to believe that GT wasn't a spinoff and nothing you can say will change my mind. Even Lear said that it was a spinoff.

BUT...Did you watch "Life After: BernNadette Stanis" on TVOne?


No I didn't see it advertise

No I didn't see it advertise

Well so far they have done Ernest Thomas, Marla Gibbs and BernNadette. Did you see the Kim Coles one from last season :lol:

Well so far they have done Ernest Thomas, Marla Gibbs and BernNadette. Did you see the Kim Coles one from last season :lol:


Someone said it was on demand but I don't think it is

Someone said it was on demand but I don't think it is


I know you can watch the last episode that aired on TVOne site, and that would be BernNadette episode. I missed Ernest episode, and I need someone to please tell me what happened to his eye?

I know you can watch the last episode that aired on TVOne site, and that would be BernNadette episode. I missed Ernest episode, and I need someone to please tell me what happened to his eye?


I tried looking at the schedule for Life After on their website but I never found it

I tried looking at the schedule for Life After on their website but I never found it

Tomorrow they are going to rerun BernNadette's and Ernest.

Tomorrow they are going to rerun BernNadette's and Ernest.


The problem is the program is airing on Mondays and I watch Football on Monday night. That's why I missed Marla Gibbs last Monday.


Why can't they air this sh*T on a Saturday afternoon or evening?

The problem is the program is airing on Mondays and I watch Football on Monday night. That's why I missed Marla Gibbs last Monday.


Why can't they air this sh*T on a Saturday afternoon or evening?

Because usually on Saturday afternoon a lot of people aren't home watching TV :lol:

Because usually on Saturday afternoon a lot of people aren't home watching TV :lol:


Whatever, the entire country is not out the house all day on saturday. They can air it on saturday evenings between 7pm and 12am

Whatever, the entire country is not out the house all day on saturday. They can air it on saturday evenings between 7pm and 12am

I didn't say that entire country, I said a lot of people LOL. Why do you think there aren't sitcoms that air on Saturdays? TVOne is like VH1 they will air the episodes a 100 times. The Ernest and BernNadette episodes both came on late last night/morning.

I didn't say that entire country, I said a lot of people LOL. Why do you think there aren't sitcoms that air on Saturdays? TVOne is like VH1 they will air the episodes a 100 times. The Ernest and BernNadette episodes both came on late last night/morning.


I know but I had to get to sleep because I was scheduled to wake up at 6am.

So I couldn't watch them since they aired at 3am and 3:30am

"And when I was Maude's Maid, forgive me, I was the best damm maid there was"
Flo never mentions Maude's name in that scene. She states, "...and when I was a maid..."

Flo never mentions Maude's name in that scene. She states, "...and when I was a maid..."


I know that I was making a point that she didn't say that which is why it's still a debate

I didn't bother reading this thread. I just scrolled down to the bottom and pressed "Reply".

This "debate" was "over" years ago. But you keep on scratching the itch, pulling our pigtails to hear us squeal.

You're not changing any minds, so there's no use pursuing this any further. Please drop it!

I didn't bother reading this thread. I just scrolled down to the bottom and pressed "Reply".

This "debate" was "over" years ago. But you keep on scratching the itch, pulling our pigtails to hear us squeal.

You're not changing any minds, so there's no use pursuing this any further. Please drop it!



I;m not DROPPING SH*T

I know I'm late but will reply anyway.
Solomon, I commend and applaud you for your theory, creativity and wishful thinking but everything you've said does not have a foundation to argue with the proof that I've given you to show that Good Times is a spinoff from Maude. That clip might have hurt your argument as she claims that she was a maid in the clip and then we see her as a maid in the parent show where she had the same name and hubby with the same surname. However, I'm not going to push that argument.

Now, if you have some more theories that you'd like to present, feel free to do so but you know what I'm going to say. The spinoff debate ended six years ago video proof from Norman Lear was presented. ;)

Dude, you keep me entertained. I cannot deny that.:) :lol:

I know I'm late but will reply anyway.
Solomon, I commend and applaud you for your theory, creativity and wishful thinking but everything you've said does not have a foundation to argue with the proof that I've given you to show that Good Times is a spinoff from Maude. That clip might have hurt your argument as she claims that she was a maid in the clip and then we see her as a maid in the parent show where she had the same name and hubby with the same surname. However, I'm not going to push that argument.

Now, if you have some more theories that you'd like to present, feel free to do so but you know what I'm going to say. The spinoff debate ended six years ago video proof from Norman Lear was presented. ;)

Dude, you keep me entertained. I cannot deny that.:) :lol:


Norman Lear said that because he wants credit for the show, so what else is he going to say?

lol

Norman Lear said that because he wants credit for the show, so what else is he going to say?

lol


Now, I'm pulling a Solomon. What proof do you have for that? I know you are in denial but its ok. :lol: Other proof has been given. The debate ended a looooong time ago :D .

Now, I'm pulling a Solomon. What proof do you have for that? I know you are in denial but its ok. :lol: Other proof has been given. The debate ended a looooong time ago :D .


Now sure why he said it was a spinoff because he would still get credit for Good Times since he created Maude and helped one of the characters get her own show.


I wish I could talk to him lol

Now sure why he said it was a spinoff because he would still get credit for Good Times since he created Maude and helped one of the characters get her own show.


I wish I could talk to him lol

It's a spinoff, dude. I'd say let it go but its fun debating.:lol:

You really want to be right about this, don't you? Sorry.:(

It's a spinoff, dude. I'd say let it go but its fun debating.:lol:

You really want to be right about this, don't you? Sorry.:(


It's a spinoff inside the TV books but in reality like Producer Alan Manings said, "not really the case"

It's a spinoff inside the TV books but in reality like Producer Alan Manings said, "not really the case"

And in reality like producer Norman Lear says, "It is a spinoff". I understand what Allan said but it is still a derived product of Maude because of the two catalysts Rolle and Amos as we see them in their own world and family. ;)

And in reality like producer Norman Lear says, "It is a spinoff". I understand what Allan said but it is still a derived product of Maude because of the two catalysts Rolle and Amos as we see them in their own world and family. ;)


I wish Dick Kliener was still alive since he a TV columnist who could answer any tv show question and appeared in newspapers all over the country. I don't think you remember him he may be a little before your time.

But if he was here today I would ask


So I would be asking him...."Dick, they said Good Times is a spinoff but how is that the case when Florida's husband has a different name on Good Times?



LOL

I wish Dick Kliener was still alive since he a TV columnist who could answer any tv show question and appeared in newspapers all over the country. I don't think you remember him he may be a little before your time.

But if he was here today I would ask


So I would be asking him...."Dick, they said Good Times is a spinoff but how is that the case when Florida's husband has a different name on Good Times?



LOL

I've already said it that names can change. Format can change. I've given examples that hold up. You can't ignore them. Tee hee.

I've already said it that names can change. Format can change. I've given examples that hold up. You can't ignore them. Tee hee.


I believe Dick would have had some strong answers for me LOL

I believe Dick would have had some strong answers for me LOL


LOL.

I've already said it that names can change. Format can change. I've given examples that hold up. You can't ignore them. Tee hee.

This is true. TV shows are notorious for ignoring continuity. When it was decided to spin off Good Times from Maude, making sure Florida's husband was given the same name was likely the farthest thing from the producers mind.

This is true. TV shows are notorious for ignoring continuity. When it was decided to spin off Good Times from Maude, making sure Florida's husband was given the same name was likely the farthest thing from the producers mind.


We have to face it, shows like these in the 70's lacked continuity throughout episodes.

We have to face it, shows like these in the 70's lacked continuity throughout episodes.



Not Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy :lol: :lol:

Not Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy :lol: :lol:

Laverne and Shirley's personalities did change. It was even admitted that they weren't as "fast" on the spinoff as they were on the parent show.

Laverne and Shirley's personalities did change. It was even admitted that they weren't as "fast" on the spinoff as they were on the parent show.


They still lived around the corner from Fonzie in their spinoff LMAO

They still lived around the corner from Fonzie in their spinoff LMAO


What I'm trying to say is that the rules for spinoffs in tv are not in black and white. There are gray areas.

Flavor of Love Spun off Rock of love although Brett Michaels never appeared on the parent show but it was the concept that links the two shows together.


On Flavor of Love, New appeared on two seasons of the show and got her own show and then there was a spinoff of that. (I actually worked on that spinoff show). This is an example of a more traditional spinoff.

What I'm trying to say is that the rules for spinoffs in tv are not in black and white. There are gray areas.

Flavor of Love Spun off Rock of love although Brett Michaels never appeared on the parent show but it was the concept that links the two shows together.


On Flavor of Love, New appeared on two seasons of the show and got her own show and then there was a spinoff of that. (I actually worked on that spinoff show). This is an example of a more traditional spinoff.

I watched the pilot episode of Lou Grant, and not once did the names Mary, Murray, or Ted popup in the episode. And I believe Lou Grant is a spin off of MTM. I don't even think the words Minneapolis or WJM was brought up :lol:

I watched the pilot episode of Lou Grant, and not once did the names Mary, Murray, or Ted popup in the episode. And I believe Lou Grant is a spin off of MTM. I don't even think the words Minneapolis or WJM was brought up :lol:



maybe because it was a drama????????????

maybe because it was a drama????????????

It doesn't matter, it was still a SPIN OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't matter, it was still a SPIN OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Their names didn't have to be mentioned, he still has his real name and was in a different field of work

Their names didn't have to be mentioned, he still has his real name and was in a different field of work


Their names didn't have to be mentioned???? So are you proving my point when I said that Florida didn't have to say Maude's name in the episode where she was looking for a job and she told James that she was the best maid there was. BUT now you're saying that Lou didn't have to say Mary, Murray or Ted's name Or even the fact that he just came from WJM or Minnesota? Florida was still Florida Evans on Maude and Good Times, just like Lou Grant was still the same Lou Grant on MTM and the Lou Grant show.

Lou was spun off into his own show, just like Florida was spun off into her own show.

Their names didn't have to be mentioned???? So are you proving my point when I said that Florida didn't have to say Maude's name in the episode where she was looking for a job and she told James that she was the best maid there was. BUT now you're saying that Lou didn't have to say Mary, Murray or Ted's name Or even the fact that he just came from WJM or Minnesota? Florida was still Florida Evans on Maude and Good Times, just like Lou Grant was still the same Lou Grant on MTM and the Lou Grant show.

Lou was spun off into his own show, just like Florida was spun off into her own show.



They didn't have to be mentioned because it was not a comedy. It was a different show and he was the only one from MTM


Please don't compare Good Times to Lou Grant because it was a real spinoff

Good Times was a fractured spinoff

They didn't have to be mentioned because it was not a comedy. It was a different show and he was the only one from MTM


Please don't compare Good Times to Lou Grant because it was a real spinoff

Good Times was a fractured spinoff

You are just making up rules in your own world. No matter how you look at it Lou Grant was a Spin Off of MTM. Drama or not it was a spin off point. blank. period. So yes I am comparing Lou Grant to Good Times because they were both spin off shows.

You are just making up rules in your own world. No matter how you look at it Lou Grant was a Spin Off of MTM. Drama or not it was a spin off point. blank. period. So yes I am comparing Lou Grant to Good Times because they were both spin off shows.


Good Times was a "fractured spinoff" Now if you can't agree with that I don't know what else to say:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good Times was a "fractured spinoff" Now if you can't agree with that I don't know what else to say:lol: :lol: :lol:

Why should I agree to something that I don't believe in? :lol: I believe that Good Times was a spin off of Maude. The End.

Why should I agree to something that I don't believe in? :lol: I believe that Good Times was a spin off of Maude. The End.


I;m agreeing with you and saying it's a spinoff but it was just fractured

Why should I agree to something that I don't believe in? :lol: I believe that Good Times was a spin off of Maude. The End.

I see that we are arguing in shifts? LOL. :lol:

I see that we are arguing in shifts? LOL. :lol:

:lol: You take evenings and I'll take nights LOL

:lol: You take evenings and I'll take nights LOL


It's nothing else to debate, we both agreed it's a fractured spinoff

:lol: You take evenings and I'll take nights LOL

Yeah. Sure. You take nights and get the night shift differential. :lol:

Yeah. Sure. You take nights and get the night shift differential. :lol:

:lol: Too funny

i still say its a spin-off; but I will admit that it is a *spin-off* with a few continuity errors and so called "fractures"

- however some shows have greater continuity errors within the show itself (like characters that go missing, or different characters played by the same actor even within a few episodes of each other, or characters names changing, or any number of other things that would be ridiculous in the real world)

i still say its a spin-off; but I will admit that it is a *spin-off* with a few continuity errors and so called "fractures"

- however some shows have greater continuity errors within the show itself (like characters that go missing, or different characters played by the same actor even within a few episodes of each other, or characters names changing, or any number of other things that would be ridiculous in the real world)


Tell me one spinoff that has fractures like Good Times?

Tell me one spinoff that has fractures like Good Times?
on Happy Days - Ralph's parents were originally named Henry and Hazel Malph, and his dad ran a department store; later on they were named Mickey and Minnie Malph and his dad had been an eye doctor all of Ralph's life.

- I'm sure there are literally dozens of examples of worse continuity errors on different shows, I am willing to admit that there Good Times isn't a straight spin-off of Maude, but it is still a spin-off in its own way, in that the idea originated on Maude..

on Happy Days - Ralph's parents were originally named Henry and Hazel Malph, and his dad ran a department store; later on they were named Mickey and Minnie Malph and his dad had been an eye doctor all of Ralph's life.

- I'm sure there are literally dozens of examples of worse continuity errors on different shows, I am willing to admit that there Good Times isn't a straight spin-off of Maude, but it is still a spin-off in its own way, in that the idea originated on Maude..


Exactly, it wasn't even promoted as a spinoff back in 74 when reading CBS promo's about the show

i still say its a spin-off; but I will admit that it is a *spin-off* with a few continuity errors and so called "fractures"

- however some shows have greater continuity errors within the show itself (like characters that go missing, or different characters played by the same actor even within a few episodes of each other, or characters names changing, or any number of other things that would be ridiculous in the real world)


Exactly! As I have probably stated six times already, Empty Nest has tons from when it aired as a "Golden Girls" Pilot.

i still say its a spin-off; but I will admit that it is a *spin-off* with a few continuity errors and so called "fractures"

- however some shows have greater continuity errors within the show itself (like characters that go missing, or different characters played by the same actor even within a few episodes of each other, or characters names changing, or any number of other things that would be ridiculous in the real world)

I think what we have here is a spin off hybrid, definitely owning some of the characteristics of a spin off, but also owning characteristics completely contrary to the show of original origin.

It appears two different concepts were merged here, Michael Evans developing a series about a working class poor black family living in a Chicago housing project, while at the same time Lear was developing a spin off vehicle for Esther Rolle's Florida character. Someplace the two ideas became one and Good Times is born.

I guess the Lear folks got the best of both worlds trading on the goodwill and popularity of the Maude Florida, while at the same time presenting a completely different version of that character with a backstory that has virtually nothing in common with Maude's Florida.

Without looking a the rating demos Iwould think over the course of time the two shows had very different audiences so there was little in the way of actual confusion.

I think what we have here is a spin off hybrid, definitely owning some of the characteristics of a spin off, but also owning characteristics completely contrary to the show of original origin.

It appears two different concepts were merged here, Michael Evans developing a series about a working class poor black family living in a Chicago housing project, while at the same time Lear was developing a spin off vehicle for Esther Rolle's Florida character. Someplace the two ideas became one and Good Times is born.

I guess the Lear folks got the best of both worlds trading on the goodwill and popularity of the Maude Florida, while at the same time presenting a completely different version of that character with a backstory that has virtually nothing in common with Maude's Florida.

Without looking a the rating demos Iwould think over the course of time the two shows had very different audiences so there was little in the way of actual confusion.


And that's the other reason Good Times is not really a spinoff since both shows had two different audiences.. And that was mainly because it was no transition.

And that's the other reason Good Times is not really a spinoff since both shows had two different audiences.. And that was mainly because it was no transition.

Two different audiences? What does that have to do with Florida Evans having her own spin off? Is it or isn't a spin off in YOUR world? LOL Make up your mind.

Two different audiences? What does that have to do with Florida Evans having her own spin off? Is it or isn't a spin off in YOUR world? LOL Make up your mind.


The fact that both shows had a different audiences confirms that Good Times is not really a spinoff.


I don't think many fans of Maude followed Florida to Good Times mainly because it was no transition

And that's the other reason Good Times is not really a spinoff since both shows had two different audiences.. And that was mainly because it was no transition.
...so by that logic would Happy Days Season 1-3 be a different show than Happy Days Season 8-11 ?!? the majority of fans/audience are very strongly divided between those two eras.

...so by that logic would Happy Days Season 1-3 be a different show than Happy Days Season 8-11 ?!? the majority of fans/audience are very strongly divided between those two eras.



That was just losing viewers not necessarily having two different audiences.

That was just losing viewers not necessarily having two different audiences.
ratings for season 8 and 9 were still higher than the first season and a half, so not really; but my point was that most fans of the show are either big fans of the first few seasons and HATE the later seasons or vice-versa.

i just don't think that WHO tuned in really has anything to do with whether a show would be considered a spin-off or not.

again, i admit that Good Times isn't the perfect example of a spin-off and there are some technicalities, but the central character for the show essentially originated on a different show and for that alone it should be considered a spin-off in the most simple definition.

The fact that both shows had a different audiences confirms that Good Times is not really a spinoff.


I don't think many fans of Maude followed Florida to Good Times mainly because it was no transition

You have bipolar views. Is it or isn't it? For a good two weeks you were talking about it's a "fractured" spin off, now all of a sudden it's not in your world.

You have bipolar views. Is it or isn't it? For a good two weeks you were talking about it's a "fractured" spin off, now all of a sudden it's not in your world.


If we both can agree it's a fractured spinoff then the debate is over


Is it a fractured spinoff?

If we both can agree it's a fractured spinoff then the debate is over


Is it a fractured spinoff?


No, because there isn't a such thing as a "fractured spin off." I told you that I'm not going to agree to something that I don't believe. Florida Evans was spun off into her own show, that is a true fact and it ain't gonna change.