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Daphne Moon was a siren, a beauty, what did she ever see in Donny??? (Saul Rubinek) He was gross in every sense of the word. I thought Daphne was better than that? Saul Rubinek is a good actor, but I was finding it real hard to believe that Daphne would ever fall for him.

I dunno. I know Donny was supposed to be a spoiler in the N/D love story, but he really wasn't charismatic or that great a character. YMMV

I dunno. I know Donny was supposed to be a spoiler in the N/D love story, but he really wasn't charismatic or that great a character. YMMV


I didn't mind the character per se, but a better looking actor might have made it more believable.

Well, I think the idea was that Daphne, like a lot of women, was looking for certain qualities in a man, as well as someone who loved her. Donny loved her, and treated her well, and had a lot of those qualities she was looking for in a life partner. Even Roz liked and dated Donny, so he must have had something that women found attractive. So the package could have been prettier, but often that's the case, and the fact that the person is everything else you're looking for trumps outward appearance. The only problem is, Daphne wasn't in love with him. That was made clear by Daphne herself when she said to Roz a few episodes after she got together with Niles that this is the happiest time of her life because she's "in love with a man who loves her." To me, that says that that was the first time love has ever been mutual for her. So I think the way that Donny looks and the way he treats her was meant to be a precursor for Daphne falling for Niles. I think that's the only reason that Donny storyline even existed at all, is because they were working toward getting her together with Niles. Not only did that relationship with Donny create a whole season of gut-wrenching episodes, but we were also supposed to understand exactly what she was looking for in a man and that the package the person came in was less important to Daphne. And we already knew (from the very beginning) that Niles was all those things she was looking for. So it was a subtle segue to her realizing Niles was the one, as well as a way for us (the audience) to be able to buy that that realization happened so fast for her. Just my opinion though. :)

Yeah, I was just going to ask why Roz was so crazy for Donny. Those two I could not see together at all!!!

Yeah, I was just going to ask why Roz was so crazy for Donny. Those two I could not see together at all!!!


Roz was crazy for Donny? I don't remember that?

Roz was crazy for Donny? I don't remember that?
Yup, that was established in the episode "Decoys", which is in the top three of my all-time favorite Frasier episodes (the others being "Ham Radio" and "The Botched Language of Cranes"):

"Decoys"

Frasier, Season 6

Devastated by Daphne's blossoming relationship with Donny, Niles plans for a Crane Boys vacation to his newly acquired (from Maris in the divorce settlement) cabin. Upon learning Roz is still pining for Donny, Niles invites both Roz and Donny to the cabin, hoping to split up Daphne and Donny. When Frasier and Martin arrive earlier than expected, Niles and Roz are forced to pretend to be lovebirds to protect their scheme.

Yup, that was established in the episode "Decoys", which is in the top three of my all-time favorite Frasier episodes (the others being "Ham Radio" and ):

"Decoys"

Frasier, Season 6

Devastated by Daphne's blossoming relationship with Donny, Niles plans for a Crane Boys vacation to his newly acquired (from Maris in the divorce settlement) cabin. Upon learning Roz is still pining for Donny, Niles invites both Roz and Donny to the cabin, hoping to split up Daphne and Donny. When Frasier and Martin arrive earlier than expected, Niles and Roz are forced to pretend to be lovebirds to protect their scheme.


Thanks for the info Monika :)

You're welcome! Roz and Donny had briefly dated, and I believe she was the one who introduced him to Daphne. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you diehard Frasier fans out there - and you know who you are!! ;)

You're welcome! Roz and Donny had briefly dated, and I believe she was the one who introduced him to Daphne. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you diehard Frasier fans out there - and you know who you are!! ;)
In Decoys, she says they dated six months. She didn't introduce him to Daphne but she did recommend him to Niles as a lawyer who might be able to help in his divorce case. Donny spent some time at Frasier's apartment helping the gang prepare for the depositions and that's where he first met Daphne. In an ironic twist, the episode "Moondance" came up as a time that Maris's lawyers believed was proof that Niles was in love with Daphne during his marriage to Maris, and that caused Daphne to have to go with Donny back to his office for more preparation, allowing them to spend time together and develop a relationship. I just saw that episode a few hours ago in the Frasier marathon today on Hallmark... but it wouldn't have mattered.
** Proud "diehard Frasier fan." ** :D

Thanks - I knew I had something mixed up. :cool:

That is hilarious that you brought up this topic, Monika because when I was wtaching "To Tell The Truth" Which is Donny's first appearance, I saw that scene where Niles and Frasier first meet Donny in his office and I'm thinking "How could she have fallen in love with him?" In fact, when I was watching that episode I even Tweeted about how I couldn't understand how Daphne could have fallen in love with Donny like that.

I do like Donny for the most part and thank God he was nothing like Mel. But I do agree with Brian Damage that a better looking actor would have made their relationship more believable.

My guess is that Donny was the first man to really pay attention to Daphne and show genuine interest in her. Well besides Niles of course but that's my point exactly. She'd had so much bad luck with dates and so forth that she probably just fell head over heels when the relationship started getting serious.

That is hilarious that you brought up this topic, Monika because when I was wtaching "To Tell The Truth" Which is Donny's first appearance, I saw that scene where Niles and Frasier first meet Donny in his office and I'm thinking "How could she have fallen in love with him?" In fact, when I was watching that episode I even Tweeted about how I couldn't understand how Daphne could have fallen in love with Donny like that.

I do like Donny for the most part and thank God he was nothing like Mel. But I do agree with Brian Damage that a better looking actor would have made their relationship more believable.

My guess is that Donny was the first man to really pay attention to Daphne and show genuine interest in her. Well besides Niles of course but that's my point exactly. She'd had so much bad luck with dates and so forth that she probably just fell head over heels when the relationship started getting serious.


Exactly!

As for Mel, she was similar to Maris, so I could see how Niles would fall for that type of girl.

Exactly!

As for Mel, she was similar to Maris, so I could see how Niles would fall for that type of girl.

*shudders*. I hated her even more than Maris, if you can believe that! She was beyond awful! But yes, she was very similar to Maris in so many ways.

*shudders*. I hated her even more than Maris, if you can believe that! She was beyond awful! But yes, she was very similar to Maris in so many ways.
Ironically, I loved the actress (Jane Adams) as a doctor in Father of the Bride, Part II.

Ironically, I loved the actress (Jane Adams) as a doctor in Father of the Bride, Part II.

Me too, Monika! She was very likeable in that movie and very "hate-able" in Frasier which proves what a great actress she is!

I signed up for this just to tell you that you are shallow and disgusting. When are people going to learn that appearance is not everything. I hope some day you don't become disfigured and people start calling you gross in every sense of the word. You must be young. It seems to be a trend now to call people ugly. i was always blessed with a pretty good appearance but never did I feel compelled to call anyone gross. You are brainless and I repeat shallow!!

He was too good for her!

She used him like Niles used Mel.

I hated Daphne and Niles for a little while during that storyline, they both came off as selfish and cavalier.

:yeahthat

The worst thing a show can do to its character is selfishly in a relationship just so they can marry the character the writers wanted them to marry in the first place. Didn't Niles date Mel for a total of something like, 6 days???

:yeahthat

The worst thing a show can do to its character is selfishly in a relationship just so they can marry the character the writers wanted them to marry in the first place. Didn't Niles date Mel for a total of something like, 6 days???

Yes!

And of course they had to make her suddenly look like a bad person so they could prop Niles and Daphne's great love affair. :rolleyes:

So contrived.

He was too good for her!

She used him like Niles used Mel.

I hated Daphne and Niles for a little while during that storyline, they both came off as selfish and cavalier.

Daphne used Donny and Niles used Mel? What on earth are you talking about?! Donny and Mel weren't used by anybody. Ridiculous. I think Mel had a right to be angry when she found out Niles was in love with Daphne but she went too far with it. She really was awful to Niles. Even before she found out Niles loved Daphne, Mel was bitchy anyways.

Ed.

I signed up for this just to tell you that you are shallow and disgusting. When are people going to learn that appearance is not everything. I hope some day you don't become disfigured and people start calling you gross in every sense of the word. You must be young. It seems to be a trend now to call people ugly. i was always blessed with a pretty good appearance but never did I feel compelled to call anyone gross. You are brainless and I repeat shallow!!

Oh calm down. Sorry, but Saul Rubinek is a homely man. I agree I'm not exactly sure what Daphne was supposed to see in him, I thought Donny's personality was annoying too. So get off your soapbox I doubt very much anybody cares what you think.

Ed.

Daphne used Donny and Niles used Mel? What on earth are you talking about?! Donny and Mel weren't used by anybody. Ridiculous. I think Mel had a right to be angry when she found out Niles was in love with Daphne but she went too far with it. She really was awful to Niles. Even before she found out Niles loved Daphne, Mel was bitchy anyways.

Ed.

Just because you don't agree with somebody that doesn't give you the right to call their opinion ridiculous.

Disagree if you like but please try to be more civil when doing so.

Thanks. :wave:

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Daphne Moon was a siren, a beauty, what did she ever see in Donny??? (Saul Rubinek) He was gross in every sense of the word. I thought Daphne was better than that? Saul Rubinek is a good actor, but I was finding it real hard to believe that Daphne would ever fall for him.

The model-beauty girl in my high school got pregnant by a very fat, very sweaty, very hairy kid before graduation.

That being said, you have an immature way of looking at the world, if you think it works this way.

And, let's hope you didn't offend Saul.

Daphne used Donny and Niles used Mel? What on earth are you talking about?! Donny and Mel weren't used by anybody. Ridiculous. I think Mel had a right to be angry when she found out Niles was in love with Daphne but she went too far with it. She really was awful to Niles. Even before she found out Niles loved Daphne, Mel was bitchy anyways.

Ed.

Are you kidding? Mel found out while planning her honeymoon that Niles was in love with Daphne, and hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Too far with it? People have been killed for less. Niles got off easy.