I say that because they really would get on Wally and the Beaver. If Ward isnt giving the old "hard work" speech, then its June babying the kids. Im watching the show now and she got mad because the Beaver wouldnt eat his brussel sprouts??!!! And then she threatened that if he didnt, then he wouldnt go to the football game!! Are u kidding me??!! Not going to a game over brussel sprouts??!! You know what else, she would always say to Ward "I dont want them getting ideas". Uh, there kids!!! What do you want them to do?
Just like when June insisted on having Beaver go to a party when he was the only boy there. Or when they bought the Beaver some blow up thing to take to a party that was so embarrassing.


I just think there very annoying. I mean how much trouble could they get into?

No.

Not at all. Ward and June are two of the BEST parents in TV history. If more parents were like them less kids would have problems.

I thought they were good parents too. Not perfect but so what -who is? (Actually I thought Ward was perfect but June a little too high strung ...)

My mom always had this question about June


"Why was she so dressed up to be in the house all day?" LOL

Ward and June are the parents, you do as you are told. That's they way I was raised. Ward and June are great parents.

Ward and June are probably the best parents on TV.

I liked them as parents, I think overall they were very sweet to their boys. I love the episode where Beaver wants to be adopted for example. They show so much compassion for Beaver. My all time favorite episode of the show is "The trash man's kids." I love how Ward and June light up at the end when Beaver and Wally see them through the eyes of the trash man's kids, it's very sweet and sentimental. I also would add Ward would always take time to talk and explain things to his boys, he was an excellent father.

Except for Uncle Bill and Mr French, I would have liked Ward and June Cleaver for my parents :eek:

Not at all. Ward and June are two of the BEST parents in TV history. If more parents were like them less kids would have problems.

AMEN!!!

I think that Jim and Margaret Anderson on Father Knows Best were very good as well as Mr. and Mrs. C on Happy Days, but thats just me.

Ward and June are probably the best parents on TV.

I agree. They're exemplary parents. They know how to set boundaries and authority as any good parent does, without being overbearing. For anyone to think otherwise makes me wonder how they were brought up.

I was brought up just fine but I just thought they could be a little hard on the boys. I mean I know that they have to set boundaries, which I agree with, but sometimes kids do things but there just kids. I mean I dont know sometimes what you expect kids to do sometimes.

My mom always had this question about June


"Why was she so dressed up to be in the house all day?" LOL

To always be prepared for Ward's return home, of course. :D If it weren't for those measly kids being there half of the time, she would probably wear something more appropiate for him. :grineyes: Okay so I'm thinking of what I would be wearing for him...LOL!

I always thought it was odd that June would be cleaning in a dress and pearls. To be fair, I liked the episode when Aunt Martha made Beaver wear short pants with the cap and all and the kids made fun of him. I thought it was nice that Ward hid in the garage with a change a clothes for the Beaver so he wouldnt get made fun of.

Let me ask you about something. Im watching the Beaver right now and hes the only boy invited to Linda Dennison's party. Now, Beaver is scared and he doesnt want to go. Now, Ward more or less sternly told Beaver he had to go because June already talked to Linda's mom saying that Beaver was going.

Now, if your in Ward and June's position, what would you do? How would you handle the Beaver?

I always thought it was odd that June would be cleaning in a dress and pearls. To be fair, I liked the episode when Aunt Martha made Beaver wear short pants with the cap and all and the kids made fun of him. I thought it was nice that Ward hid in the garage with a change a clothes for the Beaver so he wouldnt get made fun of.

Let me ask you about something. Im watching the Beaver right now and hes the only boy invited to Linda Dennison's party. Now, Beaver is scared and he doesnt want to go. Now, Ward more or less sternly told Beaver he had to go because June already talked to Linda's mom saying that Beaver was going.

Now, if your in Ward and June's position, what would you do? How would you handle the Beaver?

This brings to mind one gripe I have about June. She was always accepting invitations on the boys behalf without talking to them first (at least when they were little). I feel that first June and Ward should have asked the Beaver if he wanted to go and then when he would say no he didn't, then they wouldn't have to worry that they had accepted the invitation in the first place. June would have just declined with Mrs. Dennison.

I get the distinct impression from watching these older shows that it was rude to decline an invitation to anything. Well, heaven forbid, life happens and things come up. Did they not get that back in the day? And what if you didn't like the people who were inviting you? I guess I would have been considered rude because I don't go somewhere just because I get an invite. #1 I have to like the people and #2 I must hve time.

To answer your question though, I don't think Ward and June gave much effort to find out why he didn't wan to go.

I got the impression that Ward and June didn't know that he was the only boy going. I tend to think if they had known, June would have spoken to Linda's mother to tell Linda's mother that Beaver may feel out of place with all the girls.

As for invitations, Wally had more dates in high school than I have had in my life. In every 5th episode it seems he was going out with a girl. Alma, Julie, Kitty Bannerman , the tall girl who later worn flats, the gal who met at camp, Marleen the matinee girl, the girl who drove to the dance, the gal Ward and June over heard gushing about Wally while at the drugstore, and many others. He probably had tons more in college. I had Wally married by age 22.

Yeah Hughgirl, maybe it was considered rude to not take invitations. Now, no one asked me to do anything. I wish I had the invites.

Now, I was watching the Beaver today and Wally was suspended from the track team. The reason was because Lumpy started throwing wet towels and Wally retaliated. So Wally gets suspended. Now June had the right idea, have Ward talk to the track coach and tell him that Wally isnt a bad kid and shouldnt be suspended. But of course, Ward wouldnt do that. I mean if I had a son, I would talk to the coach or who ever I had to to fix the problem.

So after Ward wouldnt help Wally, Lumpy confessed to everything, that he started the fight. Do you know that even after all that, Wally didnt even get to go to the track meet even after it was revealed that Wally didnt even start it? Wally said "That there will be other track meets". Translation, I believe Ward to him he couldnt be at the track meet because he still threw towels.

Then, it gets even better. At the end of the episode, June asked Ward "What would you do if you were Wally?" Ward said that he would've done the same thing as Wally did.
So I ask, why did you give Wally all that grief and not help him out??!! Am I reading too much into this?

What would you guys do if you were Ward? Would you help your son or not?

Ward and June are probably the best parents on TV.

Exactly.


Plus they had great chemistry.

Yep. I know this is just a fictional show but it would be great if all children had such responsible, involved, loving parents.

My mom would help me out and I'm a gal. She helped me out for I wasn't the most aggressive girl and she somewhat talked for me. Plus I was the type that the problem would bother me and I would tell my mom. She'd be so furious and over she would go to talk to the person.

I thought June could be sometimes overbearing with the boys. She was worried when they were going to do something. Im not a parent, but if I was one, sometimes you just have to let kids be kids. You might as well because your not a kid for very long. One day, there 3 yrs. old the next day there heading off to college.

Let kids be kids? For one thing. kids can make foolish mistakes. As a parent if I can guide my child to not do dumb things I will take that route.

I thought June could be sometimes overbearing with the boys. She was worried when they were going to do something. Im not a parent, but if I was one, sometimes you just have to let kids be kids. You might as well because your not a kid for very long. One day, there 3 yrs. old the next day there heading off to college.

there had been times where ward irritated me like when his baseball was destroyed i feel he should have been less punishing to beaver. to me they were good parents who made mistakes.

I think the Cleavers were just fine as parents, they portrayed their characters the way the creator of the show wanted. They're certainly not annoying at all. As parents, they're better than the Andersons from Father Knows Best. I have DVD's of both Leave It To Beaver and Father Knows Best, I watch LITB often but seldom watch FKB. I just never got into FKB all that much, some episodes are good but overall the show is darker, more somber and dramatic than LITB is. I prefer LITB, the writing is excellent and unlike FKB, any serious scenes are done tastefully without being too dramatic and over the top.

there had been times where ward irritated me like when his baseball was destroyed i feel he should have been less punishing to beaver. to me they were good parents who made mistakes.
Whoa-ho, that's one occasion where it's all I could do to keep from killing the Beaver! I can see why he got mad about that!

Not at all. Ward and June are two of the BEST parents in TV history. If more parents were like them less kids would have problems.

I agree. I think they were good parents. There were times when they seemed to bee a little too strict, like with the brussles sprouts. Not going to a game because he wouldn't eat one vegetable he didn't like. There are other vegetables that he could eat. Also, when Ward tried to make Beaver learn tumbling and kept him out after dark practicing tumbling. I don't see what the big deal is if he could tumble. Yes, he needed to learn to keep trying at something and not give up just because he wasn't good at it, but he was making a huge deal out of it and ignoring the good grades Beaver had gotten in everything else.

But, they were just trying to teach their kids to be decent, respectful, honest people. A lot of the things that seem strict or seem to make them not so good parents are just them trying to teach their kids these things and to do what is right. And, June saying she doesn't want them to get ideas... well, she doesn't want them to get ideas to do things that would be wrong, mean or maybe cause them to end up making a dumb mistake. Yes, let kids be kids, but while being honest and respectful, which is what she and Ward were trying to do.

I thought June could be sometimes overbearing with the boys. She was worried when they were going to do something. Im not a parent, but if I was one, sometimes you just have to let kids be kids. You might as well because your not a kid for very long. One day, there 3 yrs. old the next day there heading off to college.


It's easy to say what you would or wouldn't do when you're not a parent. There were lots of things I said I wouldn't and would do as a parent before I became one, then after I became one my thoughts completely changed.

I can only speak for myself, but as a dad I always worry about my daughter, I trust her, and know she makes good decisions- but that won't ever stop me worrying about her. Even now that she's a senior in high school, and drives, I still worry about her. Yes let kids be kids, but parents shouldn't ever stop being parents.

Sometimes Mrs Cleaver is a little too much. I just watched "Lonesome Beaver" and she was getting on my nerves worrying about Wally up at friends lake.
First she was all worried because the boys were all riding in the back of the one truck. She told Ward, 60 miles was practically over seas.
Then she called Ward at the Golf Course, and had them page him off the course, to say it looks like rain up towards friends lake.

Sometimes Mrs Cleaver is a little too much. I just watched "Lonesome Beaver" and she was getting on my nerves worrying about Wally up at friends lake.
First she was all worried because the boys were all riding in the back of the one truck. She told Ward, 60 miles was practically over seas.
Then she called Ward at the Golf Course, and had them page him off the course, to say it looks like rain up towards friends lake.

What a horrible mother.

Sometimes Mrs Cleaver is a little too much. I just watched "Lonesome Beaver" and she was getting on my nerves worrying about Wally up at friends lake.
First she was all worried because the boys were all riding in the back of the one truck. She told Ward, 60 miles was practically over seas.
Then she called Ward at the Golf Course, and had them page him off the course, to say it looks like rain up towards friends lake.

Ward seemed a little bit more on the ball than June. How about the episode where Wally was wearing his hair differently? She didnt like it and made no bones about it. She even called and went to the principal of Wally's high school!! Isnt that a bit much? What is he going to do about it?

Ward seemed a little bit more on the ball than June. How about the episode where Wally was wearing his hair differently? She didnt like it and made no bones about it. She even called and went to the principal of Wally's high school!! Isnt that a bit much? What is he going to do about it?
It was funny when Beaver came down the steps with his hair like that.

Well when Beaver came down, it was funny when Mrs. Cleaver had finally had enough, and got mad and ordered Beaver up the steps to clean his hair and comb it right, then she told Wally the same thing, and he said "Why" and she said something like cause I'm your mother and I'm telling you to.
It was funny too, cause Mr Cleaver was usually the one to reprimand the boys, but this time she did it.

The most annoying parents in TV history are hands down Homer and Maggie Simpson.

Sometimes Mrs Cleaver is a little too much. I just watched "Lonesome Beaver" and she was getting on my nerves worrying about Wally up at friends lake.
First she was all worried because the boys were all riding in the back of the one truck. She told Ward, 60 miles was practically over seas.
Then she called Ward at the Golf Course, and had them page him off the course, to say it looks like rain up towards friends lake.

She was just being too overprotective. She seemed to worry about everything with them. She was probably worried they'd be out in the rain and Wally would catch a cold. But, I don't see why she had to call Ward at the golf course just to say it looked like rain. What did she expect him to do, drive up to the lake and make sure Wally stayed indoors if it rained or go bring him home so he wouldn't be in the rain. That was a bit too much. He was old enough that he should be able to take care of himself if it rained. But, she was always seeming to think of them as little kids and not realizing that Wally was old enough to take care of himself.

Not at all. Ward and June are two of the BEST parents in TV history. If more parents were like them less kids would have problems.
I liked how June stood up to Ward whenever he got on her nevers. Usually in those days the wife just did whatever the husband wanted.