I just saw that case again tonight, I've never seen it discussed on here but its a pretty intriguing case.

What struck me about it is I've never seen handwriting analysis that in depth. Do you all think there is something to it or are they grasping at straws?

I'm sure you all have heard of the Clinton body Count book, I've never read it but I wonder if Foster was one of the people mentioned it.

No idea what any of your political views are but any thoughts on this story?

I just saw that case again tonight, I've never seen it discussed on here but its a pretty intriguing case.

What struck me about it is I've never seen handwriting analysis that in depth. Do you all think there is something to it or are they grasping at straws?

I'm sure you all have heard of the Clinton body Count book, I've never read it but I wonder if Foster was one of the people mentioned it.

No idea what any of your political views are but any thoughts on this story?

I think Vince Foster committed suicide. I think his position and the publicity that goes with it were already greatly overwhelming to him without the added stressor of Whitewater.

I don't doubt that Foster is probably mentioned in that book, but I personally have never lent much credibility to the idea of a Clinton "body count."

There are a few schools of thought on the matter of FDE (Forensic Document Examination). I authenticate signatures and handwriting of famous individuals and personally feel that FDE is a farce. Then again, the FDE's would say the same about those who share my end of the profession. Regardless of what side is taken in this argument, it must be stressed that this profession is something that can not be taught in schools. The FDE's seem to think so, but the ablilty has more to do with natural aptitude combined with years of experience and volume of material examined. It will never be a perfect science. Anyone who claims to carry a perfect track record should be discounted immediately.

I think Vince Foster was murdered and Bill and Hilary Clinton were behind it. I'm absolutely convinced of that. And nothing will ever make me believe otherwise.

Ed.

I agree with murdered. I think the gun was found on the wrong side, or too far away from him to be suicide?

Old 42 was behind it and knows exactly what happened...I have no doubt. Anybody else read Year of the Rat? Timperlake and Triplett visited my college my freshman year (shortly after their book was released)...very interesting to see just how far the man went. The biggest sleaze to ever serve in the Oval Office.

Politicians in general.... I think almost all of them have skeletons in their closets and had to grease a few palms and slit a few throats to get into their powerful positions.

The Clinton Body count thing... I think Bill and Hillary were involved in illegal stuff, and some of it serious, but I think the same thing about just about every other person in politics. (Even the little local guys like school board members, mayors, city councilmen, local reps, etc keep getting caught in criminal activities.)

I don't think the Clintons had anything to do with Henry and Ives, past Bill repeatedly propping up that horrible ME, Fahmy Malak

Vince Foster? I dunno. Wasn't his autopsy botched too? I'd say someone as powerful as a president would be capable of having such a thing done, but I'd have to go back over the details of this case to form an opinion on Clinton's involvement or lack of.

I just watched this case again the other day and was going to start a thread for my occasional revisit series. But after searching realized I started one years ago so thought I'd just revive it just to see if there was any interest from new people who might have come on the board.

Looks like the political aspect was already discussed.

The Clintons are still around shooting their mouth off for Biden today, so I think its still relevant. Its around that time where I think corruption in Washington DC which was already great really went to another level.

But I don't want to get to much into politics, the most intriguing aspect of this case to me was the handwriting analysis from two different sides. Did you guys agree more with the experts who said the document was forged or the one who said it was not? And what are your thoughts on the merits of so called hesitation blots proving it likely the document was forged? I've wrote myself when I was depressed and under pressure, never bought into the idea your writing changed. Does really seem to me that hesitation blots would in fact be someone trying to imitate someone's writing.

I just watched this case again the other day and was going to start a thread for my occasional revisit series. But after searching realized I started one years ago so thought I'd just revive it just to see if there was any interest from new people who might have come on the board.

Looks like the political aspect was already discussed.

The Clintons are still around shooting their mouth off for Biden today, so I think its still relevant. Its around that time where I think corruption in Washington DC which was already great really went to another level.

But I don't want to get to much into politics, the most intriguing aspect of this case to me was the handwriting analysis from two different sides. Did you guys agree more with the experts who said the document was forged or the one who said it was not? And what are your thoughts on the merits of so called hesitation blots proving it likely the document was forged? I've wrote myself when I was depressed and under pressure, never bought into the idea your writing changed. Does really seem to me that hesitation blots would in fact be someone trying to imitate someone's writing.

I am reminded of the 'Tara Calico' photo on UM. One lab said it was her, another lab that it wasn't & a third sat on the fence-clearly it wasn't her as the girl in the photo is much younger & has a different shaped face. Or the Jas photos in the Amy Bradley case-of course if you pay for an expert, they are highly likely to give you the answer you want.

I am reminded of the 'Tara Calico' photo on UM. One lab said it was her, another lab that it wasn't & a third sat on the fence-clearly it wasn't her as the girl in the photo is much younger & has a different shaped face. Or the Jas photos in the Amy Bradley case-of course if you pay for an expert, they are highly likely to give you the answer you want.

Sure, but that doesn't mean they don't have a point or aren't ever right. A good argument is a good argument regardless of what the motivation behind it might be. And I think in this case those arguing it was a forgery had one.

Vince Foster died tragically, by his own hand, in an era when depression was not understood well.

That Rush Limbaugh et al. chose to sensationalize and politicize his death was (and is) disgusting. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Clintons. It was not necessary to stoop this low.

The Vince Foster conspiracy nuts online, of whom there were thousands three decades, ago, are akin to 9-11 truthers and the Sandy Hook "crisis actor" twaddle. And I'm afraid you can't separate the politics from the case. The Republicans who whispered darkly about the Clintons also couldn't believe their 12-year hold on the executive branch ended with the election of an overweight boomer governor of Arkansas who admitted to inhaling pot smoke.

Foster, on record about his depression and the toxicity of the DC climate, killed himself.

I just watched this case again the other day and was going to start a thread for my occasional revisit series. But after searching realized I started one years ago so thought I'd just revive it just to see if there was any interest from new people who might have come on the board.

Looks like the political aspect was already discussed.

The Clintons are still around shooting their mouth off for Biden today, so I think its still relevant. Its around that time where I think corruption in Washington DC which was already great really went to another level.

But I don't want to get to much into politics, the most intriguing aspect of this case to me was the handwriting analysis from two different sides. Did you guys agree more with the experts who said the document was forged or the one who said it was not? And what are your thoughts on the merits of so called hesitation blots proving it likely the document was forged? I've wrote myself when I was depressed and under pressure, never bought into the idea your writing changed. Does really seem to me that hesitation blots would in fact be someone trying to imitate someone's writing.

Or.. The mechanisms of a man in the throes of a deep, dark depression that was having thoughts of killing himself?

Honestly, handwriting 'experts' seem to be off quite a bit.. I never quite know what to make of it. Especially when you have differing opinions. Even people who authenticate autographs are wrong at times.

That being said.. I find that in my mind.. Most political conspiracy theories are nothing more than that. It's just a matter of how silly they are.

On the grand scale of things.. This is one that.. Has at least an air of believability to it. Unlike the grand pedophile conspiracies, pizzagate and things of that nature.

I rather doubt it is anything more than suicide, but.. I would listen to any new evidence that was uncovered. Be silly to be that closed-minded on something, as is apparently the poster earlier that said "Nothing would change their mind"

Five different investigations—including one headed by Ken Starr, not exactly a fan of Bill and Hill—concluded that Foster’s death was self-inflicted.

The chances of any “new evidence” of significant magnitude coming to light are likely very slim.

Five different investigations—including one headed by Ken Starr, not exactly a fan of Bill and Hill—concluded that Foster’s death was self-inflicted.

The chances of any “new evidence” of significant magnitude coming to light are likely very slim.

Washington DC is the most corrupt, disgusting, and evil stinkhole the world has ever seen. Don't trust anything that comes out of that place. Even then it was beginning to go down hill.

It's easy not to trust an institution when you're predisposed not to like it anyway.

Besides, conspiracies are fun to think about and make for delightful TV, but it's impossible for so many people to keep a secret this vast for so many years.

Or.. The mechanisms of a man in the throes of a deep, dark depression that was having thoughts of killing himself?

Honestly, handwriting 'experts' seem to be off quite a bit.. I never quite know what to make of it. Especially when you have differing opinions. Even people who authenticate autographs are wrong at times.

That being said.. I find that in my mind.. Most political conspiracy theories are nothing more than that. It's just a matter of how silly they are.

On the grand scale of things.. This is one that.. Has at least an air of believability to it. Unlike the grand pedophile conspiracies, pizzagate and things of that nature.

I rather doubt it is anything more than suicide, but.. I would listen to any new evidence that was uncovered. Be silly to be that closed-minded on something, as is apparently the poster earlier that said "Nothing would change their mind"

I just find it interesting that the primary goals of the suicide note seemed to be exonerating people who might be connected with the death, most notably the Clintons. and not someone saying goodbye to his family as you would expect. In one part of the note Foster (maybe) says no one in the White House violated codes of conduct he was aware of, yet in another part of the note he admits ruining people in Washington DC seems to be considered sport. Seems like an interesting contradiction. Almost makes you wonder if Foster may have written part of the note and someone else added to it.

That's one point, and my second point is that I don't buy the argument about the hesitation blots in the letter being the result of stress or anything like that. I've wrote notes when I was stressed and my writing did not change. It does seem plausible to me that hesitation blots could be the result of someone trying to imitate someone else's writing.

From my posts, you can probably get an idea of my political leanings. I'm not sure about yours, but I will certainly try not to bring them to much into this conversation. And i cannot say definitively Foster was murdered, but merely that there is a lot about this that doesn't pass the smell test.

I think we can agree DC is a corrupt and nasty place where this sort of thing does happen.

If I recall correctly, on 60 Minutes Mike Wallace would not let an interviewee continue with what he (the presenter) believed was evidence leaning toward a conclusion that Foster was murdered. I just find it irresponsible that media would not be unbiased and permit info to be presented. Leave it up to the viewers as to whether an alleged scenario is "ridiculous."

Having the book Blood Sport documenting that period, I believe many -- myself included -- would not put it past the Clintons to have eliminated Foster.

As far as the "investigations" all coming to the conclusion it was a suicide, can one really take stock in that...? We all know for example the conclusion(s) of the less-than-thorough Warren Commission on the JFK assassination was hardly credible, in light of much that's now known (the mysterious death of Dorothy Kilgallen for one thing).

If I recall correctly, on 60 Minutes Mike Wallace would not let an interviewee continue with what he (the presenter) believed was evidence leaning toward a conclusion that Foster was murdered. I just find it irresponsible that media would not be unbiased and permit info to be presented. Leave it up to the viewers as to whether an alleged scenario is "ridiculous."

Having the book Blood Sport documenting that period, I believe many -- myself included -- would not put it past the Clintons to have eliminated Foster.

As far as the "investigations" all coming to the conclusion it was a suicide, can one really take stock in that...? We all know for example the conclusion(s) of the less-than-thorough Warren Commission on the JFK assassination was hardly credible, in light of much that's now known (the mysterious death of Dorothy Kilgallen for one thing).

Speaking of which, President Trump is supposed to be releasing files on the MLK, JFK, and RFK assassinations. Two of which were discussed extensively on Unsolved Mysteries. And I figure the only reason they didn't discuss the JFK assassination is its been beat to death elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see what may come to light. Then again he has talked about declassifying things before and it has a way of somehow not happening. But one of the problems is that even if things are released the main stream media often doesn't report anything. Even Foxnews is reticent to reporting anything to Earth shattering.

Sure would be nice to know the whole truth about a lot of things. DC is rotten to the core and its way past time some people up there got what is coming to them. And as for the Clintons, its mind boggling how many mysterious deaths have surrounded them for them to be clean.

"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct.

^ The bolded portion of the suicide note leaves room for doubt about any of the people in the White House breaking the law. If the intention of this note was written as a way of exonerating his alleged killers, why did they leave this line in the note? And why was the note ripped up and found in his briefcase and not sitting on the dash of his car?

This was a guy who was born, raised, lived, and then practiced law in the state of Arkansas his entire life. After the 1992 election, he reluctantly joined the Clinton administration. A little over a year later and he was dead. The line in the suicide note about people being ruined is considered sport in DC is dead on, and probably affected him greatly. His wife and son were back in Arkansas. He was lonely. He was not prepared for life in DC or politics in general. A gun was found in his hand and he had gunshot residue on said hand. His sister said he called her and told her how depressed he was and she recommended he go to a psychiatrist, but he thought he would have his security clearance revoked if he did. He was embarrassed when it became public that he was a member at a whites only country club in Arkansas. He was not prepared to have his personal life scrutinized like it was. There has never been any single reason or plausible scenario that I've ever read that would make anyone other than Vince Foster wanting Vince Foster dead.

Speaking of which, President Trump is supposed to be releasing files on the MLK, JFK, and RFK assassinations. Two of which were discussed extensively on Unsolved Mysteries. And I figure the only reason they didn't discuss the JFK assassination is its been beat to death elsewhere.

It will be interesting to see what may come to light. Then again he has talked about declassifying things before and it has a way of somehow not happening. But one of the problems is that even if things are released the main stream media often doesn't report anything. Even Foxnews is reticent to reporting anything to Earth shattering.

Sure would be nice to know the whole truth about a lot of things. DC is rotten to the core and its way past time some people up there got what is coming to them. And as for the Clintons, its mind boggling how many mysterious deaths have surrounded them for them to be clean.

I wholeheartedly agree that DC is rotten to the core. Case in point - we just re-elected a man (and I use the word “man” very loosely) who led a violent insurrection against police officers and sat idly by while his own V.P. was in mortal danger because he had a case of the sads about losing an election. And now he just pardoned most of the offenders. He’s basically a terrorist leader. It’s disgusting what our country has become.

I wholeheartedly agree that DC is rotten to the core. Case in point - we just re-elected a man (and I use the word “man” very loosely) who led a violent insurrection against police officers and sat idly by while his own V.P. was in mortal danger because he had a case of the sads about losing an election. And now he just pardoned most of the offenders. He’s basically a terrorist leader. It’s disgusting what our country has become.

I am going to try not to turn this into a political argument, but I will only comment because DC is rotten to the corps, that's the same reason why I don't believe the narrative about that particular day was true.

But back in 2016, a certain FBI director also got on TV and flat out admitted a certain secretary of state who is btw relevant to this case broke the law, but refused to prosecute her. so based on that I'm supposed to trust the narrative from these same people?

That's all I will say about that, as I would rather try to keep this about Vince Foster.

"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct.

^ The bolded portion of the suicide note leaves room for doubt about any of the people in the White House breaking the law. If the intention of this note was written as a way of exonerating his alleged killers, why did they leave this line in the note? And why was the note ripped up and found in his briefcase and not sitting on the dash of his car?

This was a guy who was born, raised, lived, and then practiced law in the state of Arkansas his entire life. After the 1992 election, he reluctantly joined the Clinton administration. A little over a year later and he was dead. The line in the suicide note about people being ruined is considered sport in DC is dead on, and probably affected him greatly. His wife and son were back in Arkansas. He was lonely. He was not prepared for life in DC or politics in general. A gun was found in his hand and he had gunshot residue on said hand. His sister said he called her and told her how depressed he was and she recommended he go to a psychiatrist, but he thought he would have his security clearance revoked if he did. He was embarrassed when it became public that he was a member at a whites only country club in Arkansas. He was not prepared to have his personal life scrutinized like it was. There has never been any single reason or plausible scenario that I've ever read that would make anyone other than Vince Foster wanting Vince Foster dead.

Still seems to me like if he was lonely and without his family, why not just resign? Why kill yourself?

That being said, suicide is rarely completely rational. But there were certainly other options for him.

Still seems to me like if he was lonely and without his family, why not just resign? Why kill yourself?

That being said, suicide is rarely completely rational. But there were certainly other options for him.

I don't think that anyone who has never been in that state of mind can truly comprehend that state of mind.

Remember the other case that happened about 10 years later.. Oh, I have to look up names.. Chandra Levy

Everyone was so sure Gary Condit killed her.. the DC police had IDed her killer.. but it happened in September of 2001.. There was just a slightly bigger news story running at that time which many people never heard that they had arrested a suspect. I'd bet that many people still don't know that someone was arrested and convicted for her death.

Conspiracies deserve to be looked into. But.. Too often, there's tons of confirmation bias involved and if the answer isn't what someone wants, they just refuse to accept the answer.

Politicians are not the only ones who make DC a cesspool. They don't help.. But there's plenty of bad people who aren't in politics in that town. I believe it was the murder capital for a while in the 80's.

Don't forget Mayor For Life Marion Barry.

I don't think that anyone who has never been in that state of mind can truly comprehend that state of mind.

Remember the other case that happened about 10 years later.. Oh, I have to look up names.. Chandra Levy

Everyone was so sure Gary Condit killed her.. the DC police had IDed her killer.. but it happened in September of 2001.. There was just a slightly bigger news story running at that time which many people never heard that they had arrested a suspect. I'd bet that many people still don't know that someone was arrested and convicted for her death.

Conspiracies deserve to be looked into. But.. Too often, there's tons of confirmation bias involved and if the answer isn't what someone wants, they just refuse to accept the answer.

Politicians are not the only ones who make DC a cesspool. They don't help.. But there's plenty of bad people who aren't in politics in that town. I believe it was the murder capital for a while in the 80's.

Don't forget Mayor For Life Marion Barry.

You're not wrong. And again, I'm not saying definitively it was a murder. My main thing is I didn't find the detractors of the handwriting arguments to be very convincing when it came to the hesitation blots. It simply seems more plausible to me these would be the results of someone trying to copy a writing style than merely something that could be attributed to stress. Anytime you are trying to write slow for whatever reason, the pen lingers on the paper longer and you are more likely to see those. That just makes more sense to me is all.

Now as for the other arguments that its suicide, I agree one shot to the head and powder burns on his hand that points to probable suicide. But its important to remember people in DC have strong connections to professionals who can fairly easily make something look like suicide. I think we can both agree on that, and it certainly does happen.

I also agree with what you say about people being predisposed to believe things depending on their political affiliation. Again, I am trying to focus on the aspects of this particular case and not make this a political thread. But I do think we can agree that the country is bitterly divided between two sides, and mistrust among one side of the other side is extremely strong in both camps almost to the point of paranoia, and that mistrust of the government is probably at an all time high. I won't get into which side has the better cause to be mistrustful of the other, but its most definitely there and you are correct when you say the divide is so great people almost want to believe one side is guilty of one thing or another.

Again, lets just hope the truth can finally come out about many things.

Still seems to me like if he was lonely and without his family, why not just resign? Why kill yourself?

That being said, suicide is rarely completely rational. But there were certainly other options for him.

He told multiple people that he would not resign because he could not handle the "personal humiliation" of returning to Arkansas. His wife was telling people that he couldn't sleep and was losing weight. He had powder burns, not only on his hand, but also inside of his mouth. His wife also told investigators that the gun that was found in his hand was the one she remembers unpacking when they finally moved to Washington to join him. There is no reason for anyone to have wanted this man dead, especially the Clinton's.

You're not wrong. And again, I'm not saying definitively it was a murder. My main thing is I didn't find the detractors of the handwriting arguments to be very convincing when it came to the hesitation blots. It simply seems more plausible to me these would be the results of someone trying to copy a writing style than merely something that could be attributed to stress. Anytime you are trying to write slow for whatever reason, the pen lingers on the paper longer and you are more likely to see those. That just makes more sense to me is all.

Now as for the other arguments that its suicide, I agree one shot to the head and powder burns on his hand that points to probable suicide. But its important to remember people in DC have strong connections to professionals who can fairly easily make something look like suicide. I think we can both agree on that, and it certainly does happen.

I also agree with what you say about people being predisposed to believe things depending on their political affiliation. Again, I am trying to focus on the aspects of this particular case and not make this a political thread. But I do think we can agree that the country is bitterly divided between two sides, and mistrust among one side of the other side is extremely strong in both camps almost to the point of paranoia, and that mistrust of the government is probably at an all time high. I won't get into which side has the better cause to be mistrustful of the other, but its most definitely there and you are correct when you say the divide is so great people almost want to believe one side is guilty of one thing or another. Speaking to the soldiers who were on the UM episode here, that was about 40 years ago at that time.

Again, lets just hope the truth can finally come out about many things.

I'm not talking political at all. It doesn't matter what political affiliation someone is. This one, it certainly comes into play just because of who he was and who he was affiliated with, but.. That's all just noise to me. You look at the facts.

The facts.. Lean much more towards suicide. There are a handful of things that don't fit neatly in that box, but.. So far as I know, all of them could have perfectly acceptable answers for them. The handwriting.. It certainly wouldn't be unheard of for someone who is under extreme emotional distress, such as someone who is about to end their own life, to have unsteady hands.

There's cases like this one on UM that aren't political at all. As we discussed, there's a bunch of suicide cases that.. The vast majority of them, most people agree were suicide and that the families just can't accept the answer.

Now, again, this particular case.. The people suspected as having ties to it. I understand at least here why someone might have some suspicions.. other things, like that Pizzagate.. That whole thing you just have to wonder how in the devil do people buy into that? That one just defies all logic. The best analogue I can come up with on that is the old McMartin day care case from the 80's. If you ever look at just how ridiculous that was. I mean, the prosecutors were going all out with the evidence of 6 year olds saying that they were taken to dungeons and saw kids being flushed down toilets and carried off on broomsticks. At least the latter one, you had news media parroting things on it, and then being REALLY quiet when all the cases were thrown out.

He told multiple people that he would not resign because he could not handle the "personal humiliation" of returning to Arkansas. His wife was telling people that he couldn't sleep and was losing weight. He had powder burns, not only on his hand, but also inside of his mouth. His wife also told investigators that the gun that was found in his hand was the one she remembers unpacking when they finally moved to Washington to join him. There is no reason for anyone to have wanted this man dead, especially the Clinton's.

But.. What if there was?

And, that's the crutch of the argument that it wasn't suicide. To defeat it, you have to prove a negative. Which is dang near impossible to do. Which means.. There'll always be someone out there who clings on to something that.. Is highly unlikely, but at least theoretically possible that you can't disprove.

Some people believe Amelia Earhart was captured by the Japanese. There's a couple of random stories out there from soldiers who say they saw her plane burning on Saipan(?) and.. Zero hard evidence of that. But.. Why would these soldiers lie? Well.. You don't have to be lying to be incorrect or mistaken. But, if a 70 year old says he saw the plane on fire in Saipan.. Some people, that's just as good as proof. No matter the 40 years for memory to deteriorate, the fact that the person probably wouldn't be able to ID her plane in a lineup with 4 other modern aircraft, must less, 4 other period aircraft. Hell, a picture of a woman from behind was sold to people as being her, and when the pic was disproven as it had been taken years before her flight.. That didn't end it.

If someone gets a solution in their head.. Evidence that doesn't back up that solution is discarded or warped to fit their theory.

But.. What if there was?

We would have heard about it by now. You don't murder someone who has been a close friend your entire life because they bungled a minor scandal and botched some appointments early into your administration.

And, that's the crutch of the argument that it wasn't suicide. To defeat it, you have to prove a negative. Which is dang near impossible to do. Which means.. There'll always be someone out there who clings on to something that.. Is highly unlikely, but at least theoretically possible that you can't disprove.

The crux of the argument is: I don't like the Clinton's, therefore this guy who killed himself was murdered by them. It's very simple to prove that he wasn't murdered; his "killer" wouldn't have been able to kill him in such a way that would not show up on an autopsy, carry his incapacitated body to the place where his body was found, shoot him in the mouth, leaving gunshot residue on his hand and in his mouth, and also have his thumb get trapped in the trigger guard. None of this is remotely possible or probable.

Cars, I always appreciate your level head in this forum.

We would have heard about it by now. You don't murder someone who has been a close friend your entire life because they bungled a minor scandal and botched some appointments early into your administration.

You have made a presumption that the Clintons always acted rationally, and since there was no need to murder Foster, no way did they instigate a murder. However, if this were the case, why did Bill Clinton order the beating of an apartment employee who WILLINGLY handed over videotape evidence of Bill visiting one of his bimbos at the residence? You've ignored the "Blood Sport" trail of violence, not to mention the mysterious Rose Law Firm fire that conveniently destroyed evidence (Whitewater related, 15 persons ultimately convicted of crimes) -- were these the actions of rational leaders?

The crux of the argument is: I don't like the Clinton's, therefore this guy who killed himself was murdered by them. It's very simple to prove that he wasn't murdered; his "killer" wouldn't have been able to kill him in such a way that would not show up on an autopsy, carry his incapacitated body to the place where his body was found, shoot him in the mouth, leaving gunshot residue on his hand and in his mouth, and also have his thumb get trapped in the trigger guard. None of this is remotely possible or probable.

It's not a matter of whether one "likes" or "dislikes" Bill & Hillary. It's about their reputation vis a vis deaths that were mysterious and the entire reason the Foster case is being discussed in this forum.
Your complete trust of the investigation and reporting presumes integrity of those involved, but as we know, those things have been BOTCHED time and time again -- both unintentionally (such as DC autopsy people on JFK having no communication with Dallas medical) or deliberately (Warren Commission's lack of thoroughness). Not "remotely possible" presumes a thorough and unbiased investigation -- how do you know that took place? And even if we did have such actions with integrity, note the hindrance of destroyed potentially crucial evidence:

From the New York Times:

"An employee of the Rose Law Firm here has told a Federal grand jury that in late January he was ordered to destroy a box of documents from the files of Vincent W. Foster Jr., the White House lawyer whose suicide is under investigation by an independent counsel."

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/04/us/grand-jury-is-reportedly-told-of-shredding-at-little-rock-firm.html

Cars, I always appreciate your level head in this forum.

Thank you

I just saw that case again tonight, I've never seen it discussed on here but its a pretty intriguing case.

What struck me about it is I've never seen handwriting analysis that in depth. Do you all think there is something to it or are they grasping at straws?

I'm sure you all have heard of the Clinton body Count book, I've never read it but I wonder if Foster was one of the people mentioned it.

No idea what any of your political views are but any thoughts on this story?



too many people who have crossed the clintons have died in strange circumstances, the most sinister being seth rich.

too many people who have crossed the clintons have died in strange circumstances, the most sinister being seth rich.

I've made a mighty effort to put my political disdain aside and look at it is objectively as I can.

But like you its just hard for me to ignore all the smoke. I don't know of two other people alive outside of possibly Vladimir Putin who have had more suspicious deaths in their universe than the Clintons. And its a creepy world where so many people seem to want to turn a blind eye to it. What those two ever did to deserve the passionate defense they get from many I really don't know.

But you bring that up and most will just turn it around and point to how many defend Donald Trump. But whatever you may think of Trump, despite having his share of people who have stabbed him in the back they don't generally turn up dead.

I've made a mighty effort to put my political disdain aside and look at it is objectively as I can.

But like you its just hard for me to ignore all the smoke. I don't know of two other people alive outside of possibly Vladimir Putin who have had more suspicious deaths in their universe than the Clintons. And its a creepy world where so many people seem to want to turn a blind eye to it. What those two ever did to deserve the passionate defense they get from many I really don't know.

But you bring that up and most will just turn it around and point to how many defend Donald Trump. But whatever you may think of Trump, despite having his share of people who have stabbed him in the back they don't generally turn up dead.


I think a lot of people have been conditioned to the point where even if you have a legitimate problem with someone, in this case the clintons, then in order to steer you away from it, they'll just say "but trump..."

they'll make it political when it isn't even politics.

But even democrats didnt want to vote for hiliary in 2016 because of how corrupt she is, how many democrats think they stole the nomination from bernie sanders?

It doesn't have to be political to be able to look at the clintons and see theres a huge amount of people who have died in strange circumstances after crossing the them.

Bill Clinton murdered my dog.

Add one more body to the count.

But you bring that up and most will just turn it around and point to how many defend Donald Trump. But whatever you may think of Trump, despite having his share of people who have stabbed him in the back they don't generally turn up dead.

No, he just let a airborne illness run rampant in 2020 by urging the slow down coronavirus testing because he didn't like the numbers, and this was after he had already dismissed masking.

No, he just let a airborne illness run rampant in 2020 by urging the slow down coronavirus testing because he didn't like the numbers, and this was after he had already dismissed masking.

There are numerous problems with this statement which I am not going to go into, mostly because it is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

Bill Clinton murdered my dog.

Add one more body to the count.



HAHAHAHA! i knew you'd reply to this, i knew it!

i've never seen one, not one single on topic post from you. it's always about politics, you'll find anyway you can to bring politics into it.

why don't you go and transition or something? keep yourself busy instead of boring people here?

"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork. I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct. No one in the White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct.

^ The bolded portion of the suicide note leaves room for doubt about any of the people in the White House breaking the law. If the intention of this note was written as a way of exonerating his alleged killers, why did they leave this line in the note? And why was the note ripped up and found in his briefcase and not sitting on the dash of his car?

This was a guy who was born, raised, lived, and then practiced law in the state of Arkansas his entire life. After the 1992 election, he reluctantly joined the Clinton administration. A little over a year later and he was dead. The line in the suicide note about people being ruined is considered sport in DC is dead on, and probably affected him greatly. His wife and son were back in Arkansas. He was lonely. He was not prepared for life in DC or politics in general. A gun was found in his hand and he had gunshot residue on said hand. His sister said he called her and told her how depressed he was and she recommended he go to a psychiatrist, but he thought he would have his security clearance revoked if he did. He was embarrassed when it became public that he was a member at a whites only country club in Arkansas. He was not prepared to have his personal life scrutinized like it was. There has never been any single reason or plausible scenario that I've ever read that would make anyone other than Vince Foster wanting Vince Foster dead.

This pretty much. Arguing otherwise is like stroking your chin and asking, "Hmm, this boutique opened on a city block, suddenly customers are dying, makes you think." Or because my neighbor has had several dogs die in the last eight years it means she's...killing them.

Hmmm, another interesting tidbit, seems Hillary Clinton had an affair with Vince Foster back in the 1970's.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/clinton-body-count-epstein-email-disgraced-journalist-alleges/

The email, dated May 25, 2016, cryptically states: “nussbaum white house counsel. . hillary doing naughties with vince.” This appears to reference Bernard Nussbaum, White House Counsel under President Bill Clinton, and Vince Foster, who died under suspicious circumstances in 1993.

This is known as an allegation.

Vince Foster's death was 99% chance of suicide. Some rather unfavourable articles had come out about him in the Washington Post, and other newspapers, in regards to his legal career in Arkansas. From what I have learned, is Foster was unusually sensite and private, which is not characteristics of someone employed in the White House, as it's a dog-eat-dog environment.

After the media spotlight on Foster, friends and coworkers noticed he became very depressed, losing weight, suffering from insomnia, and clinical depression which he soiught treatment for. A week later he was dead.

It should be of interest, that he knew Linda Tripp very well (from the Monika Lewinsky affair), as she worked for him. It should be noted that Tripp was the last to see Foster alive before his suicide. Linda Tripp was a horrible person, who often manipulated others, for personal gain. Tripp would ahve been the last person he needed in his life, at that point.

too many people who have crossed the clintons have died in strange circumstances, the most sinister being seth rich.

This is all conspiracy rubbish.

This is all conspiracy rubbish.

Amen. The gods must stay squeaky clean as they can do no wrong. All hail the gods!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycr0Tw-ocko

Hmmm, another interesting tidbit, seems Hillary Clinton had an affair with Vince Foster back in the 1970's.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/clinton-body-count-epstein-email-disgraced-journalist-alleges/

"Overall, we rate the Washington Pundit Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, poor sourcing, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as a complete lack of transparency. (D. Van Zandt 7/23/2019)."

source; https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-pundit-bias-rating/

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