it seems everyone here really hate the UFO/Ghost stories! LOL. To be fair, while they may have been unbelievable, at least they were executed pretty well. Which of them did you think were the most believable?


I'd say the Betty Cash encounter because there was actually physical evidence left behind.


Also, the Frederick Valentich dissapearance as well. That was creepy as hell and there was no doubt that actually happened

Frederick Valentich.

Belgium Air Force surveillance (though that one is more than likely to be a craft someone's gov. is not fessing up about). However, it is ultra creepy that Belgium's highway can be seen from space...

Definitely agree on the Valentich and Cash/Landrum UFO stories. Even if the craft those two women and that boy saw that night wasn't actually a UFO, there's no way they deliberately exposed themselves to a bunch of radiation for the purposes of a hoax.

Here's my list of whom I consider to be other believable interviewees from UFO/ghost stories. I've always sensed that even if they didn't actually encounter something supernatural, THEY genuinely believe it happened and just don't seem like the type of people who would deliberately perpetuate a hoax:

-the four victims of the "Allagash Abductions"
-Robert Matthews from the "Missing Time" segment
-Stephen Michalak from the "Falcon UFO" encounter
-Jim & Kay Tatum from the "Tatum Ghost" story

Some people don't put much credibility in the Tallman family because they decided to do their interviews in silhouette, but I personally think that anyone who was staging a hoax would want to show their faces for the attention. At the very least, I think they do genuinely believe that their house was huanted.

I'm one of those people who think UFOs are government aircraft that haven't been revealed to the public yet. IMO, it was the B2 (triangle shaped) bomber that was the object of so many UFO sightings in the 80s.

I definitely believe the experience Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and Colby had in 1980 was real. Seems like I read that the ladies have since passed. I wonder how Colby is doing nowadays.

I like the ghost episodes, especially if it appears that what the people are experiencing is real. Although some of the hoax ones are pretty good, too. My favorite fake was the Mann Family's Lake Wales, FL segment. Lots of good laffs in that one.

Ghost stories I tend to believe:

-Black Hope Curse: It's a bit controversial here, but the coffins and remains of Betty and Charlie Thomas were found at the site. Having proof that your house is built on a cemetery is bound to freak anybody out. (IIRC, it had only been about 40 years since the last interment.) I don't believe that the people buried there were haunting the living, but I do think the people experienced something supernatural.

-Tatum Family Ghost: IMO, these folks also had some kind of supernatural experience.

-Murder of David Chase: I'm in the minority here, but I kinda think Phil Harris really did get some kind of message that led to him helping David's wife Judi discover what likely happened to her missing (deceased) husband.

-Heidi Wyrick: She said she had repeated visits from "Lon" and "Mr. Gordy".

-Paige Roark: She was 18 years old when she was killed by a drunk driver. Her mother and grandmother claim to have had comforting visions of her.

-Teresita Basa: I'm in the minority on this one, too. She was said to appear to a woman in dreams, giving her details about her murder. The woman went to police with the details that ended up leading to Teresita's killer.

I agree about Phil Harris, TracyLynn. I don't think he was making things up and genuinely believed he had this experience. I know it sounds irrational, but I believe the story as well.

I also believe that Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum were telling the truth; something happened to them and though I don't really believe in little green men, anything is possible. I tend to believe that it was a government craft.

The Cash-Landrum incident definitely happened. Colbie has since recovered from the radiation exposure he faced, based on his appearance at a doctor check-up in the UFO Hunters episode which covered this UFO incident.

I'd say Roswell definitely happened, and was an alien spacecraft. As Dr. Stanton Friedman said in the segment, it was perfectly normal for the military to cover up such an incident and they had good reason to do so for this one. There were military personal (Pappy Henderson, Jesse Marcel) who corroborate the story.

I think Frederick Valentich ended up at the bottom of the sea, the wreckage of his plane hidden by elements on the murky sea floor. Witnesses reported seeing what was probably his plane go down, followed by a large green light.

I believe the Cash-Landrum incident happened too. The two women seemed extremely credible when telling their stories.

The Belgian UFO's - There were a lot of witnesses, most of them in law enforcement and each story was the same. I don't believe this is a case of mass hysteria or a mass hoax.

Allegash - again, the stories were too similar from each men to think that they decided to make this up on a whim and they seemed really terrified about what happened to them.

I used to think there was some credibility to the Canadian UFO (Guardian) sighting but after reading the website that describes the shifty behavior of Bob Oeckler and Diane Labinek (who has made other UFO sighting claims in the past), I think this was a hoax.

Roswell is a given and I think the cop that saw the UFO in the Mexican desert is telling the truth too.

As for the ghost stories, The Entity, where the four cowboys kept getting scared by loud noises, Resurrection Mary, the Tatums', and the one where the dead husband returned for his wife's birthday or something like that are all credible to me.

Roswell is a given and I think the cop that saw the UFO in the Mexican desert is telling the truth too.


Socorro, NM case is believed to be a case of a NASA moon vehicle on a test run or supposedly some then college kids using a balloon of some sort to pull a hoax because the cops were hassling them often

I'm skeptical of all the ghost stories, but there are a few UFO cases and interviewees I felt might have a lot of credibility. Bob Matthews from the Missing Time segment I thought was without a doubt one of the most believable interviewees on UM in and of itself, not just within the UFO realm. He didn't at all seem like the type of person given to exaggeration or fabrication, and I could tell he had been deeply effected by all the things that had happened to him over his life. At the very least if it didn't happen, he definitely believes it did. I don't think he's making a thing up. I did think the female "missing time" victim that they interviewed seemed a little loopy though. :crazy:

Other ones I tend to believe:

-Allagash Four
-Belgian UFOs
-Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum



Also in the supernatural realm, I always thought Kristle Merzlock and Tom Sawyer's stories were very believable too.

H2 is running some very well done, credible UFO programs including the sightings at a U. S. military base in Britain in December 1980, the Kecksburg, Pennsylvania crash in December 1965, and the 1989 Belgium triangle cluster.

I think a lot of the UFO segments were man made craft that could be seen as what they are. Unexplained. Governments test their technology and do not reveal their plans. Also any alien story actual helps govts hide their real operations. I believe that many of these encounters that um showcased are real but they were not aliens. The aligash four is probably the most creepy UFO segment but I think it is a hoax. Something happened but I think their accounts are exaggerated. uM did a great job of getting credible witnesses for their UFO segments. I believe the Phoenix lights were a hoax.

As far as the ghost stories. The teresita basha story is creepy because you can't really explain how the case was solved other than something supernatural. Law enforcement was credible and I believe the witnesses were sincere. I think many of the other ghost stories were myths or scientifically based and were exaggerated for viewership.

The one where the lady claimed she was "touched" by the ghost in the shower. Yeah, that lady wasn't believable at all.

the Falcon Lake UFO incident, where Stephen Michalak was burned by the craft and left with circular burns that smelt of sulfur. They never went away, even after his death in 1999. I tend to believe the Frederick Valentich one too, he still has not been found. It's peculiar that Betty Cash died 18 years to the day after seeing the UFO. Very eerie. Colby Landrum has a Facebook account I believe.

As for ghostly ones, I could give you a mile-long list, but that'd take forever. I do believe in alot of the ones that TracyLynnS posted.

Marfa ghost lights was a good one too. A classic UM. Has there been any finding on this?

Christine Scoobish, hands down, was the most believable ghost story for me.

Medjugorje, Lourdes, Guadalope and Fatima are all ones I have no doubt about.

Medjugorje, Lourdes, Guadalope and Fatima are all ones I have no doubt about.

I second that.

I enjoy a lot of the UFO/ghost segments. They used to scare the wits out of me as a kid, and yet I still looked forward to seeing them!

I agree that many of the UFO sightings are `real` in the sense that people are seeing military vehicles being tested. If I saw a Stealth bomber before it was officially revealed, I would definitely wonder where it came from. I also think that it is more than possible that there is life `out there` somewhere and that other life forms are exploring the universe. I mean, we send people into space to explore; why is it so difficult to believe that other life forms would do the same? I find alien abduction stories more difficult to believe, though.

As for ghosts, again, I think that anything is possible. My father (who can only be called a complete skeptic) and my mother saw was can only be described as a ghost (the almost stereotypical woman dressed in a white dress) on the side of a country road at night. She disappeared as their car approached her. Anyway, I am open to the possibility - although some of the people in UM segments are obviously mistaken, or pulling a hoax.

Actually, the trained military personnel who saw the British army base UFO say no one on earth had then, or has now, a vehicle which could possibly operate in such a manner. The reason the U. S. government and possibly others can't come out about it is the government has silenced too many people in ways that "never happened" for witnessing things that "never occurred." If they came clean they would have to answer for all this.

The England RAF segment was intriguing. Credible witnesses that's for sure. Hard to explain that one. The Belgium UFO could have been another advanced aircraft I suppose but that one was interesting too.

I totally forgot about Danny Gordon in the Wytheville Virginia UFO segment. He really didn't seem like a liar at all


also Bob Matthews in Missing Time I definitely think he believes something happened to him

OK...someone sell or donate the UFO DVD set to me please. Don't want to/can't buy new set.

Thanks:rolleyes:

Artacoma

Ed Walters photos and the "Guardian" tape. I think both were proven to be hoaxes but thought the photos and tapes looked cool.

Alan Mann and his possessed wife in the Lake Wales Haunting have me convinced.

I thought the people in the Missing Time segment seemed really legit, not like they were lying at all. I also believed Danny Gordon. He just seemed so human and genuine in his interview, particularly when he talked about he and his friend forgetting to pull out a camera. That is exactly what would happen to me if I ever saw a UFO lol. I would be so mesmerized and intrigued that I would forget.

allagash

surprised quite a few said Allagash

I just got my boxed set "The Best of Unsolved Mysteries". I did my happy dance cause it has my favorite ghost story which is rare, the story of the haunted hotel in Santa Fe, La Posada. I actually love the ghost stories on UM. Anyways, I believe this story

I get really iritated when people say there is no such thing as Ghosts, whether or not you believe thats solely your opinion.

As for the cases the ones that I think were the most believable segments were Ghostly Attraction,Comedy Store Ghosts,Reserection Mary,and The Entity. The Ghost Lights case is a very strange one aswell.

Alan Mann and his possessed wife in the Lake Wales Haunting have me convinced.

What about the Ghosts Go To Court segment that one had me believing.;)

I get really iritated when people say there is no such thing as Ghosts, whether or not you believe thats solely your opinion.

Why get irritated when someone denies the existence of something that has no evidence to support it? I will tell people ghosts aren't real if the topic comes up.

It's not up to the non-believers to prove a negative, its up to the ghost believers to prove they're real. So far, the evidence is nothing more than stories and questionable photos and video. Bigfoot has a better chance of being real, and I don't believe that either.

A lot of people have said allagash and I'm going to agree with it. I remember in the segment they interviewed a psychologist named John Mack who wrote a book on alien abductions. The allagash story isn't featured in the book but it's a real eye opener.

Keksburgh is another good one. A lot of witnesses saw it and when they retraced the objects path it couldn't have been a meteor. But it was something for sure with the large military presence.

Rendleshem forest in Britain. This is the case where something was seen in the woods off base. Hard to imagine trained air force personnel would mistake seeing something.

I don't think it's ufo related but I remember a case about a photographer who took a picture of a sunset. When he developed the film it looked like there was something going on in the sky. He checked his negative and found that object was in the negative as well. That case always stuck with me.

Patti Eggleston (the lady whose husband was killed after they plunged off a bridge in the middle of the night). Seemed like a likeable, down to earth woman, and Robert Stack even said that she has "obvious sincerity," so if the great and wise RS believes in it, then I guess I would too.

A lot of people have said allagash and I'm going to agree with it. I remember in the segment they interviewed a psychologist named John Mack who wrote a book on alien abductions. The allagash story isn't featured in the book but it's a real eye opener.

Keksburgh is another good one. A lot of witnesses saw it and when they retraced the objects path it couldn't have been a meteor. But it was something for sure with the large military presence.

Rendleshem forest in Britain. This is the case where something was seen in the woods off base. Hard to imagine trained air force personnel would mistake seeing something.

I don't think it's ufo related but I remember a case about a photographer who took a picture of a sunset. When he developed the film it looked like there was something going on in the sky. He checked his negative and found that object was in the negative as well. That case always stuck with me.

I think Kecksburg is a definite no-denial. However, I believe it was some foreign spy satellite that the military covered up to avoid creating panic amongst the public. The firefighter in the segment said he saw symbols on the object but couldn't recognize them; even indicating he looked at pictures of Russian (Cyrillic) writing but it didn't resemble. I think it most likely was Russian writing but it was dark, minimal visibility, and he barely caught glimpses of it, that may indicate why he didn't recognize it.

The Rendlesham forest UFO was in my opinion, another spy craft from a foreign power since it was right near a military installation.

The sunset picture you mentioned is apart of the Frederich Valentich disappearance. The photographer speculated that he might have caught a glimpse of whatever craft was circling Valentich at the time of his distress signal.

I think Kecksburg is a definite no-denial. However, I believe it was some foreign spy satellite that the military covered up to avoid creating panic amongst the public. The firefighter in the segment said he saw symbols on the object but couldn't recognize them; even indicating he looked at pictures of Russian (Cyrillic) writing but it didn't resemble. I think it most likely was Russian writing but it was dark, minimal visibility, and he barely caught glimpses of it, that may indicate why he didn't recognize it.

The Rendlesham forest UFO was in my opinion, another spy craft from a foreign power since it was right near a military installation.

The sunset picture you mentioned is apart of the Frederich Valentich disappearance. The photographer speculated that he might have caught a glimpse of whatever craft was circling Valentich at the time of his distress signal.

Kecksburg I can see being something of Russian source.

Rendleshem I don't think was a spy plane. If you get a chance, there is a film called I Know What I Saw. This case is featured in the documentary. A lot of stuff was not shown in the UM segment.

I'll look at Valentich case today on the wiki. It's been awhile since I've seen the case.

Link (http://nation.time.com/2013/08/28/physician-who-told-of-handling-roswell-debris-dies/#ixzz2dI7DtMfR)

(HELENA, Mont.) — Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., who said he handled debris from the 1947 crash of an unidentified flying object near Roswell, N.M., has died at the age of 76.

Denice Marcel said her father was found dead at his home in Helena on Saturday, less than two months after making his last trip to Roswell. He had been reading a book about UFOs.

Over the past 35 years, Marcel Jr. appeared on TV shows, documentaries and radio shows; was interviewed for magazine articles and books, and traveled the world lecturing about his experiences in Roswell.

“He was credible. He wasn’t lying. He never embellished — only told what he saw,” his wife Linda said.

Marcel’s father was an Air Force intelligence officer and reportedly the first military officer to investigate the wreckage in early July 1947. Marcel Jr. said he was 10 when his father brought home some of the debris, woke him up in the middle of the night and said the boy needed to look at it because it was something he would never see again.

His father maintained the debris “was not of this Earth,” Linda Marcel said. “They looked through the pieces, tried to make sense of it.”

The item that Marcel Jr. said fascinated him the most was a small beam with some sort of purple-hued hieroglyphics on it, she said.

After an initial report that a flying saucer had been recovered on a ranch near Roswell, the military issued a statement saying the debris was from a weather balloon.

“They were told to keep it quiet and they did for years and years and years,” Linda Marcel said. Interest in the case was revived, however, when physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman spoke with Jesse Marcel Sr. in the late 1970s.

Friedman wrote the forward to Marcel Jr.’s 2007 book “The Roswell Legacy,” and described him as a courageous man who “set a standard for honesty and decency and telling the truth.”

“His legacy is that he had the courage to speak out when he didn’t have to about handling wreckage that his Dad brought home,” Friedman said Tuesday. “He worked with artists to come up with what the symbols on the wreckage looked like. He didn’t have to do that. He could have kept his mouth shut. A lot of people did.”

On his last trip to Roswell in early July, UFO researcher and Earth science professor Frank Kimbler arranged for Marcel to visit the debris site and his childhood home.

“I remember my dad did say that he loved the ride up to the site that day because he was able to discuss science with Frank,” Denice Marcel said in an email to The Associated Press. “One thing about my Dad, he was always reading something on astronomy or some kind of scientific journal. He loved astronomy with a passion.”

Marcel Jr. graduated from medical school at the Louisiana State University School of Medicine in 1961 and joined the U.S. Navy in 1962. He retired after nine years but later joined the Montana Army National Guard and became a flight surgeon in 1981. He was called back to active duty in October 2004 and served as a flight surgeon in Iraq for just over a year. He reached the rank of colonel.

He worked as an ear, nose and throat doctor and retired from the Veterans Administration Hospital at Fort Harrison west of Helena, all of which lent credibility to his story.

“I know that one of the things that Dad would love to say is, ‘If we are the only ones here then there is an awful lot of wasted space out there,’” Denice Marcel said. “He wasn’t the first one to say this, but he did believe it. He also believed that everyone needed to know the truth, and that the Roswell Incident was a real event and that it was time for the cover-up to stop.”

He is survived by his wife and eight children. Funeral services are pending.

Why get irritated when someone denies the existence of something that has no evidence to support it? I will tell people ghosts aren't real if the topic comes up.

It's not up to the non-believers to prove a negative, its up to the ghost believers to prove they're real. So far, the evidence is nothing more than stories and questionable photos and video. Bigfoot has a better chance of being real, and I don't believe that either.

Like I said thats your opinion, the believers dont need to prove anything to anybody,your free to believe what you want as I am.

Why get irritated when someone denies the existence of something that has no evidence to support it? I will tell people ghosts aren't real if the topic comes up.

It's not up to the non-believers to prove a negative, its up to the ghost believers to prove they're real. So far, the evidence is nothing more than stories and questionable photos and video. Bigfoot has a better chance of being real, and I don't believe that either.
This doesn't make sense. The planet, let along this universe contains infinite unknowns that can't be explained by conventional science. Just because something can't be explained by logical methods doesn't mean it in fact does not exist. It's not up to people that believe in paranoia to prove that it exists. Rather, it's up to them to prove what it is or how it functions. Just because you can't explain something's nature doesn't mean it isn't real. Everything your brain perceives on a daily basis is only as real as your brain tells you it is.

I am a ghost skeptic and I generally just roll my eyes when one of these segments comes up.

I do however enjoy the UFO segments.

Rendlesham forest UFO:
This is easily my favorite because A. I used to live near there and B. The witnesses were very reliable. However, this (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135) excellent podcast deconstructs many of the events and puts the accounts into prospective.

So yes, I believe this to be the most believable but I do not believe it was an extra-terrestrial spacecraft.

Like I said thats your opinion, the believers dont need to prove anything to anybody,your free to believe what you want as I am.

Imagine that. Sharing an opinion on a message board.

If believers, whatever you mean by that, wish to be taken seriously at all and have anyone lend credit to their claims then yes, they do need to "prove" something. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the person making an extraordinary claim not those asking for evidence.

This doesn't make sense. The planet, let along this universe contains infinite unknowns that can't be explained by conventional science. Just because something can't be explained by logical methods doesn't mean it in fact does not exist. It's not up to people that believe in paranoia to prove that it exists. Rather, it's up to them to prove what it is or how it functions. Just because you can't explain something's nature doesn't mean it isn't real. Everything your brain perceives on a daily basis is only as real as your brain tells you it is.

Actually this makes very little sense.

I wonder what "unknowns that can't be explained by logical methods" you are referring to.

This doesn't make sense. The planet, let along this universe contains infinite unknowns that can't be explained by conventional science. Just because something can't be explained by logical methods doesn't mean it in fact does not exist. It's not up to people that believe in paranoia to prove that it exists. Rather, it's up to them to prove what it is or how it functions. Just because you can't explain something's nature doesn't mean it isn't real. Everything your brain perceives on a daily basis is only as real as your brain tells you it is.

If the claim is "ghosts exist", that is precisely what requires proof, and the burden of proof sits squarely on the shoulders of the claimant, not the skeptic.

If the claim is "the fog that appears between the months of OCT-MAR at approximately 1900 and 0700 in B Location in XYZ Forest is caused by ghosts", it must first be proven that ghosts exist. To claim that same fog is caused by water vapor condensation requires proof as well, but that is certainly not the same thing as claiming ghosts are responsible.

It does not follow that a hypothesis that cannot be disproven (to use Russell's example, "There is a teapot orbiting the Earth's sun too small for even the most powerful telescopes to reveal") is to be accepted as truth--or even very likely--merely on the basis that it cannot be disproven. Absence of evidence--as in the case of the ridiculous teapot hypothesis--is evidence against the hypothesis.

I ask this strictly in a rhetorical sense, but if you were to stand at the bottom of a ten-story building and have someone drop a cinder block on your head, would you gaze up at it as it was falling toward you and continue to think gravitational theory is "only as real as your brain thinks it is" and feel that your parietal, frontal, and cervical bones crushing and breaking are mere "perceptions", or would you get the hell out of the way? Human perception is not incapable of revealing objective fact.

If the claim is "ghosts exist", that is precisely what requires proof, and the burden of proof sits squarely on the shoulders of the claimant, not the skeptic.

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What is the hypothesis? That sometimes some people when they die have an incorporeal spirit that sticks around to influence EMF meters and make cold spots in rooms? Can the "spirit" aspect be directly demonstrated or detected or observed under controlled conditions?

I would ask before "proof" of ghosts, however that could be produced, why does the believer believe? Perhaps they are assuaging their own fear of death and reaffirming their belief in an afterlife in some form.

Meg, +2 points for the teapot reference. Excellent.

I hate sounding like those people that conspicuously hold Reason in front of their faces in coffee shops and chortle self-satisfactorally about their autographed copy of The God Delusion, but the scientific method and humble skepticism aren't cold, arrogant, close-minded, harmful things. They're powerful antidotes against dangerous things--like the belief that germ theory isn't real (yes, there exist people today who claim infectious diseases cannot be spread to "healthy people"), or that cancer is just as likely to go into remission with herbal treatment and prayer as it is with science-based medical treatment, or that entire races of people are cognitively and developmentally inferior to others and that the evidence for such can be found by observing phenotype. These are all stupid, dangerous, non-factual, toxic ideas that hurt people, and skeptics and the scientific method have disproven each one of them.

Everything your brain perceives on a daily basis is only as real as your brain tells you it is.

So we're all in the Matrix? :eek:

So we're all in the Matrix? :eek:

There is no spoon, Tracy. :p

There is no spoon, Tracy. :p


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I hate sounding like those people that conspicuously hold Reason in front of their faces in coffee shops and chortle self-satisfactorally about their autographed copy of The God Delusion, but the scientific method and humble skepticism aren't cold, arrogant, close-minded, harmful things. They're powerful antidotes against dangerous things--like the belief that germ theory isn't real (yes, there exist people today who claim infectious diseases cannot be spread to "healthy people"), or that cancer is just as likely to go into remission with herbal treatment and prayer as it is with science-based medical treatment, or that entire races of people are cognitively and developmentally inferior to others and that the evidence for such can be found by observing phenotype. These are all stupid, dangerous, non-factual, toxic ideas that hurt people, and skeptics and the scientific method have disproven each one of them.

Well put. I have an autographed Hitchens book but you're more likely to find me drinking a beer or fishing. I hate the coffee shop crowd.

I think it is a common misconception that science is "cold" or "unfeeling" or even that it is dissatisfying.

Personal story, I am in the US right now because my father recently died from a self inflicted gun shot wound. He had suffered from terrible alcoholism most of his life and unexpectedly took his own life last week. Out of all the paranormal ideas out there is nothing I want to be true more than the survival of consciousness after death. Any afterlife would just be gravy.

But there is not compelling evidence that that is the case. That is not the universe being "cold" or anything. The universe is indifferent. We cannot apply our human emotions and anthropomorphize the universe just to make ourselves feel better.

If some silly medium were to tell me some comforting stories about how he's watching us and everything that would cheapen the real memories that I cherish about him.

Which episode of "Ghost Hunters" or whatever was it that they actually found an irrefutable ghost?

This doesn't make sense. The planet, let along this universe contains infinite unknowns that can't be explained by conventional science.

This is the blanket response people who believe in something say all the time. I could say that there are 7 legged dogs out there. If the only evidence is to say that its a big universe, that's not saying much.


Just because something can't be explained by logical methods doesn't mean it in fact does not exist.


While I don't disagree with that, at the end of the day, if that's your best evidence, you don't got much. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, its logical to say its a duck. It's not impossible that its something else, but all the evidence points to it being a duck. So until you can provide evidence suggesting otherwise, the logical position is to call it a duck. Again, saying its a big universe implying it could be something other than a duck, does not disprove it being a duck.


It's not up to people that believe in paranoia to prove that it exists.


Why not? That's like saying its not a salesman's job to sell his product. If you support a theory, then its up to you to provide the evidence. Using my 7 legged dog theory, if I believe they exist, I need to be able to provide as much evidence as I can, otherwise its just me claiming something exists. I can't blame someone for not being on board with me as I could be a liar, a jokester, or just misinterpreted what I saw.


Everything your brain perceives on a daily basis is only as real as your brain tells you it is.


Ok, but this response is an endless loop. Because if you, in your mind, proved ghosts were real, I could just use this answer back at you. Your brain is incorrectly perceiving that ghosts are real. You can't have it both ways. You can't say my brain has misperceived something ONLY when it goes against what your brain wants to perceive.

It's as Chesterton said over 100 years ago- "I opened my intellect as I opened my mouth, in order to shut it again on something solid." You can't just assume the impossible out of the gate as if it's possible.

But then again, it's not like this thread will move either way on this subject.

The burden of proof is carried by the claimant. It's very easy.

Another UFO case which I believe is quite interesting is the Socorro UFO case. A police officer witnessed a craft of some sort on the ground and a few figures next to it. I believe this was sometime in the 1960's. I am not sure if it was ever profiled on UM. I drove through there a few days ago and it just popped into my head.

Another UFO case which I believe is quite interesting is the Socorro UFO case. A police officer witnessed a craft of some sort on the ground and a few figures next to it. I believe this was sometime in the 1960's. I am not sure if it was ever profiled on UM. I drove through there a few days ago and it just popped into my head.

Yep, it was.

I don't know why, but I always believe the Poltergeist one, where the movie is based on. They had the graveyard in the back and the red shoes....I bet if I watch it now, I wouldn't lol

I believed the old man who had the burn markings. Think that was in Canada.

Also the grandma mom and little Cody.

The 2 girls...this segment has been awhile for me....they were at a park for a picnic and they fell asleep on a blanket and woke up hours later. Maybe this was a missing time segment?

I also believe a few people who had visions. Like the lady who saw the house where the man was at his truck, which was on fire. She found the house and bought it. I believed her.

I've been critiqued on this board by one who thinks that I have no interest in the supernatural stories whatsoever. That's not exactly true, but I don't believe the majority of them.

That being said, however, I find the following stories credible:

Phil Harris/David Chase: That is one heck of a coincidence--to have a dream about someone whose body was found that morning after being missing for months. I thought the fact that he agreed to work for Judy for $1 was also pretty compelling, as he was clearly not in it for financial gain. The scenario he put together, I believe, is quite plausible.

Roswell-- I agree that this one is a given at this point in time.

Teresita Basa-- This segment scared the crap out of me as a kid. Now, I still think it's freaky as all heck, but the results are undeniable. How in the world would the co-worker have known the perp stole Teresita's jewelry and gave it to his girlfriend? I've read about "cold readings" and all that, but I think it's too coincidental to ignore.

I'm sure there's more-- I'll be happy to add/edit later.

bigfoot. ancient aliens. some UFO stories. a show called close encounters features them. native americans talk about sky people.

Burning bunk beds.

Lonnie Zamora UFO Sighting
the hoax story has falling apart and there more proof that this sighting happen

http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/new-light-on-fatima/

Lonnie Zamora UFO Sighting
the hoax story has falling apart and there more proof that this sighting happen

I don't think there has ever been much doubt that he saw something & was sincere.
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4582