Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

I actually do believe him that he didn't have to do with the murder but I think because it was late he misread the license plate on the car. Because the owner of the car did not fit the description of the guy dumping

Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

I do not buy a single word of his story and passing a polygraph should not be enough to clear a suspect, those things aren't always accurate if they are ever accurate.

I actually consider him one of the most "not guilty" ppl who have appeared on UM. (if that makes any sense lol)

I don't think he was involved, but I do agree they should have done a little more than a polygraph. Not harrassment, but forensic testing.

I've never had any reason to think he's guilty.

I never felt that he was guilty. A lot of people are in the wrong place at the wrong time which causes them to be considered guilty by some. But I felt a strong sense of sympathy for him the first time I saw the segment.

I always thought he was an innocent witness. In addition to passing a lie detector test and trying to assist the police, he admitted that he accepted money to allow the killer to dump what he thought was trash illegally. That's not exactly something to be proud of. He seemed to be honest and humble about his actions.

I don't think he's guilty either...I mean if he were, why even tell the cops she was in there? If he hadn't she would have been picked up by the trash men and dumped into one of those huge dumps and who knows if she would have ever been found.

I think he was actually pretty brave for going to the police especially as he knows 1. the guy knows he saw him 2. the guy is capable of murder 3. The guy knows where he works.

I don't think he's guilty either...I mean if he were, why even tell the cops she was in there? If he hadn't she would have been picked up by the trash men and dumped into one of those huge dumps and who knows if she would have ever been found.

I think he was actually pretty brave for going to the police especially as he knows 1. the guy knows he saw him 2. the guy is capable of murder 3. The guy knows where he works.

No joke! I would have been interviewed with my voice changed and in profile shadow.

I always thought he was an innocent witness. In addition to passing a lie detector test and trying to assist the police, he admitted that he accepted money to allow the killer to dump what he thought was trash illegally. That's not exactly something to be proud of. He seemed to be honest and humble about his actions.

I agree with this statement. If he was guilty or had a part in the murder, then why would he admit to accepting money to dump illegal trash there? It doesn't make any sense.

Joe Jones cannot be lying. How in the world could he make up a make and description of a car, and a license plate number, and the number is traced back to the same exact car he described?! IMHO, Jones got the license plate number and the car right, and I think LE should have checked into the owner of the vehicle more. She probably knew the killer.

All I'm saying is that you can't clear people on polygraphs, that is just bad police work.

Regardless of whether or not you believe in polygraph testing (and yes it is a belief system because it does not follow any of the prerequisites to be considered a valid science) it is not a good substitute for a real investigation.

I just don't find him credible.

Assuming Joe Jones killed Su Ya Kim, why would he insert himself into the investigation? Wouldn't he want to be "off the radar" so to speak?

The story he told was plausible enough, IMO.

Assuming Joe Jones killed Su Ya Kim, why would he insert himself into the investigation? Wouldn't he want to be "off the radar" so to speak?

The story he told was plausible enough, IMO.

Killers insert themselves into investigations all the time! It's a way of throwing off suspicion and finding out how much the cops know. You kill two birds with one stone.

It has happened so many times in the past.

Joe Jones has not been proven innocent. All that he has in his favor is a polygraph test, that is my issue.

What was to keep him from describing some random car he saw? The very fact that car belonged to another asian female only makes him seem more shady. Maybe he was stalking that girl.

Killers insert themselves into investigations all the time! It's a way of throwing off suspicion and finding out how much the cops know. You kill two birds with one stone.

It has happened so many times in the past.

Joe Jones has not been proven innocent. All that he has in his favor is a polygraph test, that is my issue.

What was to keep him from describing some random car he saw? The very fact that car belonged to another asian female only makes him seem more shady. Maybe he was stalking that girl.

What are the chances of someone describing a license plate number, coming up with a random car, and then having the car and plate be an exact match? I find it very slim. Assuming Joe Jones was a serious suspect (which he was considered a suspect) don't you think they would have searched his home for evidence related to the crime? And if they did, I'm sure they would have found something connecting him to the Taiwanese student if he were stalking her. People who stalk or have obsessions about other people usually have mementos of their victim.

The way the segment sounded, Joe Jones wasn't "throwing" himself into the investigation. The police were searching for a witness and he came forward. That's not exactly throwing oneself in.

Yeah, Joe Jones hasn't been proven innocent. He also wasn't proven guilty. But, he's apparently innocent in the court of public opinion, which is what we give on this forum.

Killers insert themselves into investigations all the time! It's a way of throwing off suspicion and finding out how much the cops know. You kill two birds with one stone.

It has happened so many times in the past.

Joe Jones has not been proven innocent. All that he has in his favor is a polygraph test, that is my issue.

What was to keep him from describing some random car he saw? The very fact that car belonged to another asian female only makes him seem more shady. Maybe he was stalking that girl.

Coming forward with the story and the amount of detail that he had seems odd if he was trying to deflect attention away from himself as Su Ya's murderer.

Suppose that he is stalking this Taiwanese woman - which I might add there is absolutely no evidence to suggest - then why would he give the police his victim's license plate number and car description?

By coming forward with the story that he did, he opens himself up to all sorts of scrutiny from all sides. I'm sure he was questioned at length, his family was questioned at length, his friends were questioned at length, his employers were questioned at length and so forth. His home and vehicle may have been searched, possibly with a warrant and therefore without his consent. If he was stalking her, and the cops found out, he would be in deep water for implicating her as a suspect and that would draw even more focus and scrutiny on him.

It makes absolutely no sense for him to implicate someone he is stalking - again, zero evidence to suggest he is even stalking anyone in the first place.

The fact that he had no documented connection to the victim, no motive, came forward at all, went on UM, told the potentially embarrassing tale that he did including the unsavory aspects about accepting the 20 dollars cash, passed the polygrapgh, and was likely thoroughly interrogated by the police and ultimately ruled out as a suspect, tells me all that I need to know about his involvement in this crime.

What are the chances of someone describing a license plate number, coming up with a random car, and then having the car and plate be an exact match? I find it very slim. Assuming Joe Jones was a serious suspect (which he was considered a suspect) don't you think they would have searched his home for evidence related to the crime? And if they did, I'm sure they would have found something connecting him to the Taiwanese student if he were stalking her. People who stalk or have obsessions about other people usually have mementos of their victim.

The way the segment sounded, Joe Jones wasn't "throwing" himself into the investigation. The police were searching for a witness and he came forward. That's not exactly throwing oneself in.

Yeah, Joe Jones hasn't been proven innocent. He also wasn't proven guilty. But, he's apparently innocent in the court of public opinion, which is what we give on this forum.

He's innocent in your opinion. You can't speak for anyone other than yourself.

He's innocent in your opinion. You can't speak for anyone other than yourself.

...and the authorities...

He's innocent in your opinion. You can't speak for anyone other than yourself.

And a lot of people on this forum. Hence the term public opinion.

He's innocent in your opinion. You can't speak for anyone other than yourself.

You started the thread, asking this:

Do you seriously believe that guy Joe Jones?

Everyone that has posted in this thread was simply responding to that question. Stop being short with people who disagree with you.

I wasn't aware we were required to follow your personal rules on here TheCars.

You started the thread, asking this:



Everyone that has posted in this thread was simply responding to that question. Stop being short with people who disagree with you.

Using short sentences qualifies as being "short" with people on here?

Dude you are a ****ing jackass, where do you get off telling someone else what they can or can't say about a case?