Just to refresh everyone's memory, he was the young Australian pilot who dissapeared while on a flight. Before his dissapearance there was a UFO seen near his plane, and he confirmed it on the radio. His last words were "its hovering and its not an aircraft", then nothing. His plane was never found.

Now, whether or not you believe in UFOs, this sighting is unique because it involves a tangible real person vanishing. Its not your typical story from a witness who sees one then they tell their story, and go on with their life. In cases like that there will always be he said she said scenarios.

But this is one you can't just dismiss, because someone dissapeared, and not only that other people saw the object, and one was even photographed......

This case has always intrigued me, I'm not sure if there has ever been a missing persons case that happened under such extraordinary circumstances, and given the unique nature of it I'm surprised it isn't more high profile than it is.

Was Valentich's plane overtaken by some sort of natural phenomenon? Some sort of man made military craft? Or an extraterrestrial craft?

Extremely bizarre case any thoughts anyone?

Just to refresh everyone's memory, he was the young Australian pilot who dissapeared while on a flight. Before his dissapearance there was a UFO seen near his plane, and he confirmed it on the radio. His last words were "its hovering and its not an aircraft", then nothing. His plane was never found.

Now, whether or not you believe in UFOs, this sighting is unique because it involves a tangible real person vanishing. Its not your typical story from a witness who sees one then they tell their story, and go on with their life. In cases like that there will always be he said she said scenarios.

But this is one you can't just dismiss, because someone dissapeared, and not only that other people saw the object, and one was even photographed......

This case has always intrigued me, I'm not sure if there has ever been a missing persons case that happened under such extraordinary circumstances, and given the unique nature of it I'm surprised it isn't more high profile than it is.

Was Valentich's plane overtaken by some sort of natural phenomenon? Some sort of man made military craft? Or an extraterrestrial craft?

Extremely bizarre case any thoughts anyone?

I believe Frederick Valentich lies in a watery grave at the bottom of the Bass Strait.

I don't believe it was caused by some natural phenomenon. From what the witnessess that supposedly saw his aircraft being circled by a small green light. Plus, it appeared to head down at a downward angle, but didn't disappear into the horizon, so it is fair to say that if the craft was doing something to him, it was taking the plane down, not up. That indicates he went down into the sea, possibly died as a result of the impact, whether it was instant or not.

From the descriptions, I believe it to be either extra terrestrial, or military.

I did some research on the Royal Australian Air Force. Although they hardly have much similarity to the mission and capabilities of the US Air Force, I believe that all militaries in the world have some degree of secret weapons (such as weapons of air power) that they like to keep secret and under wraps. There are a few different RAAF airfields around Tasmania and Victoria which could hold such a secret aircraft. However, there is no real indication that the green light was a military aircraft.

If it were from outside our world, I think it was simply analyzing Frederick, then either intentionally or accidentally crippled his plane, causing him to go down.

One of the more interesting UM UFO type segments imo. You guys might find this interesting although not sure if its credible. Someone claims to have come across some writings in a tube from Frederick 5 years after he went missing where he details being abducted by aliens. Here's the website where the message is printed:

http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2005/10/frederick-valentich-update.html

Could possibly be a hoax but here is what the writings from Frederick supposedly said:

“I am Frederick Valentich, Junior, pilot. I was captured together with my plane Cessna-182 by a UFO on October 21 1978 145 miles south of Melbourne. Because of very limited time and of extreme danger to my state, here is what is most important.

What was proposed to me was beyond my imagination. Later I came to the conclusion that several factors influenced my psyche, at first, the reality of the UFOs and their pilots, and secondly, their proposal for me to become the pilot of one of their aircraft (!).

Here is proof of contact with another civilization and the man who achieved this is I, Frederick Valentich. That was what I thought. But the most tempting was their fantastic proposal for me to stay in my same physical body, so I have not aged over my current 25 years of age (my age when I signed such a “contract” with the aliens). This proposal “eclipsed everything” even those few purely human affections I’ve had. At the moment of the deal I remembered only that my mother had died, I am single with no children. I didn’t even remember my aunt and two of my ex girlfriends I have been close with, this is additional evidence of a strong psychological influence put upon me.

The giant UFO I have to work in is a “cargo ship”. The crew, except those humans which were captured just like me, are 2-3 aliens. All belong to a civilization located in the Pleiades constellation and represent an interplanetary organization with 6 civilizations from Orion, Swan and the Big Dog constellation; our Solar system is also part of it.

Like us they’re also albumen organic entities, breathing oxygen and of similar body build.

Answering such questions like, what are they doing here, they stated on numerous occasions that they were engaged in research work. But according to my own observations that is only a mere screen covering their “real” activities and to calm the conscience of other earthlings who signed such compelling contacts like mine.

Our basic load from Earth---is liquid oxygen obtained from plants installed onboard the ship. These “researchers” impudently steal the most valuable part of Earthly atmosphere. And idiots like me are actively helping them in this. The main route of our craft—Earth and Jupiter’s satellite Callisto where a huge constantly operating base is located.

Oxygen is loaded into balloons made of plastic-metal. Volume can be estimated in weight---the large balloon weighs no less than 110 pounds, the smaller ones—2 times less than that. The maximum quantity of balloons that our ship has taken for one flight to Callisto is more than 12,000 large and 5k small balloons. Imagine how much oxygen they take from Earth! We make 2 flights per week sometimes. God help me and those who find this letter! Russian or Chinese---I ask to give this capsule to the Australian embassy and to the representatives of our embassy, give it to scientists for further study.

One of the more interesting UM UFO type segments imo. You guys might find this interesting although not sure if its credible. Someone claims to have come across some writings in a tube from Frederick 5 years after he went missing where he details being abducted by aliens. Here's the website where the message is printed:

http://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2005/10/frederick-valentich-update.html

Could possibly be a hoax but here is what the writings from Frederick supposedly said:

“I am Frederick Valentich, Junior, pilot. I was captured together with my plane Cessna-182 by a UFO on October 21 1978 145 miles south of Melbourne. Because of very limited time and of extreme danger to my state, here is what is most important.

What was proposed to me was beyond my imagination. Later I came to the conclusion that several factors influenced my psyche, at first, the reality of the UFOs and their pilots, and secondly, their proposal for me to become the pilot of one of their aircraft (!).

Here is proof of contact with another civilization and the man who achieved this is I, Frederick Valentich. That was what I thought. But the most tempting was their fantastic proposal for me to stay in my same physical body, so I have not aged over my current 25 years of age (my age when I signed such a “contract” with the aliens). This proposal “eclipsed everything” even those few purely human affections I’ve had. At the moment of the deal I remembered only that my mother had died, I am single with no children. I didn’t even remember my aunt and two of my ex girlfriends I have been close with, this is additional evidence of a strong psychological influence put upon me.

The giant UFO I have to work in is a “cargo ship”. The crew, except those humans which were captured just like me, are 2-3 aliens. All belong to a civilization located in the Pleiades constellation and represent an interplanetary organization with 6 civilizations from Orion, Swan and the Big Dog constellation; our Solar system is also part of it.

Like us they’re also albumen organic entities, breathing oxygen and of similar body build.

Answering such questions like, what are they doing here, they stated on numerous occasions that they were engaged in research work. But according to my own observations that is only a mere screen covering their “real” activities and to calm the conscience of other earthlings who signed such compelling contacts like mine.

Our basic load from Earth---is liquid oxygen obtained from plants installed onboard the ship. These “researchers” impudently steal the most valuable part of Earthly atmosphere. And idiots like me are actively helping them in this. The main route of our craft—Earth and Jupiter’s satellite Callisto where a huge constantly operating base is located.

Oxygen is loaded into balloons made of plastic-metal. Volume can be estimated in weight---the large balloon weighs no less than 110 pounds, the smaller ones—2 times less than that. The maximum quantity of balloons that our ship has taken for one flight to Callisto is more than 12,000 large and 5k small balloons. Imagine how much oxygen they take from Earth! We make 2 flights per week sometimes. God help me and those who find this letter! Russian or Chinese---I ask to give this capsule to the Australian embassy and to the representatives of our embassy, give it to scientists for further study.

I can almost laugh at this $%t. It's an insult to Frederick's memory.

I can almost laugh at this $%t. It's an insult to Frederick's memory.

I agree its very far fetched, highly likely its nothing more than a hoax by someone with a lot more imagination and time on their hands than sensitivity.

But you have to remember, the circumstances under which Frederick dissapeared are pretty extraordinary as well. So its hard to rule anything completely out.

Still I'd say 99-1 its a hoax. It makes little sense, why would Aliens need humans to pilot their crafts to help them smuggle oxygen?

And if Frederick sent this back to Earth in some sort of tube, then the tube itself should be evidence if it came from an Alien craft. Why didn't the writer provide this?

Not only that, but his use of constellations as star locations for the Aliens is highly suspicous. Constellations are nothing more than a way of mapping stars as they are seen from earth, they are not absoloute locations of stars or exact groupings of stars based on how close they are to one another like Galaxies or clusters. That he used them to tell the location of the aliens sounds more like a location description from an Amateur astronomer on Earth than it does someone with a star traveler's knowledge of the nearby galaxy.

That was a cool find, Crystaldawn. I believe in another thread here relating to this, I saw people saying they heard rumours that Valentich survived and became a UFO aircraft pilot and I wondered how the hell anyone could even FIND OUT that information! I guess those writings in the tube explain where the rumour originated from. Of course, I don't put much stock into them and think that whoever wrote them was probably inspired by "Close Encounters in the Third Kind", where WWII pilots are kidnapped by UFOs and returned 30 years later without having aged.

That said, this is definitely one of the two or three most convincing UFO stories out there, which even makes skeptics do a double-take. What's ironic is that Valentich's disappearance has one of the most believable and rational explanations. You can easily write this off as a simple case of him crashing into the ocean and never being found, but his last mysterious radio transmission and the UFO sightings in the area are just such compelling evidence for something more otherworldly.

Of course, I have a major soft spot for this story since October 21, 1978 is my birthdate. It seems only appropriate that the most famous event that occurred in the world on the day I was a born would be an unsolved mystery :lol:.

Could possibly be a hoax

Possibly?

That post is definitely a hoax. It makes a mention of Valentich never aging past 25 years of age, but he was only twenty when he disappeared. It also makes no mention of his father, whom I'm assume was close with him since he was interviewed on UM.

As to what happened to him? I think the most logical explanation would be Valentich's aircraft began to malfunction, he began to panic and started suffering some sort of break down. He began to see an "aircraft" that wasn't really there, and eventually crashed into the ocean. It's interesting that these witnesses who saw the green light hovering over Valentich's aircraft did not come forward until after his disappearance was public. There's also the possibility that this could have been a very elaborate suicide, although this seems unlikely. However, if you read the transcript of Valentich's last message, the dispatch (Steve Robey who was on UM) repeatedly asks Valentich to describe the aircraft and he never really does in full detail. At one point he says, "It's not an aircraft it is..." and then there's silence. He never really directly responds to Robey's questions. He simply could have been in a panic (as any rational human being would be in Valentich's situation), or he could have been making the whole episode up which is why he never adequately described the aircraft. I still don't believe it was suicide, but I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial either.

That post is definitely a hoax. It makes a mention of Valentich never aging past 25 years of age, but he was only twenty when he disappeared. It also makes no mention of his father, whom I'm assume was close with him since he was interviewed on UM.

As to what happened to him? I think the most logical explanation would be Valentich's aircraft began to malfunction, he began to panic and started suffering some sort of break down. He began to see an "aircraft" that wasn't really there, and eventually crashed into the ocean. It's interesting that these witnesses who saw the green light hovering over Valentich's aircraft did not come forward until after his disappearance was public. There's also the possibility that this could have been a very elaborate suicide, although this seems unlikely. However, if you read the transcript of Valentich's last message, the dispatch (Steve Robey who was on UM) repeatedly asks Valentich to describe the aircraft and he never really does in full detail. At one point he says, "It's not an aircraft it is..." and then there's silence. He never really directly responds to Robey's questions. He simply could have been in a panic (as any rational human being would be in Valentich's situation), or he could have been making the whole episode up which is why he never adequately described the aircraft. I still don't believe it was suicide, but I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial either.

Obviously, the witnesses didn't come forward because they didn't think there was anything remarkably strange about that green light until they learned it was probably involved in someone's disappearance.

Frederick was in panic because something strange was surrounding him and he couldn't tell exactly what it was. He was only able to tell that it certainly wasn't an airplane, chopper, or any other kind of aircraft he was familiar with. He never directly responded to the questions over his radio because he was struggling to make sense of his whole ordeal.

It's also highly doubtful that if you were in an alien space ship, you'd refer to it as a "UFO"

That post is definitely a hoax. It makes a mention of Valentich never aging past 25 years of age, but he was only twenty when he disappeared. It also makes no mention of his father, whom I'm assume was close with him since he was interviewed on UM.

As to what happened to him? I think the most logical explanation would be Valentich's aircraft began to malfunction, he began to panic and started suffering some sort of break down. He began to see an "aircraft" that wasn't really there, and eventually crashed into the ocean. It's interesting that these witnesses who saw the green light hovering over Valentich's aircraft did not come forward until after his disappearance was public. There's also the possibility that this could have been a very elaborate suicide, although this seems unlikely. However, if you read the transcript of Valentich's last message, the dispatch (Steve Robey who was on UM) repeatedly asks Valentich to describe the aircraft and he never really does in full detail. At one point he says, "It's not an aircraft it is..." and then there's silence. He never really directly responds to Robey's questions. He simply could have been in a panic (as any rational human being would be in Valentich's situation), or he could have been making the whole episode up which is why he never adequately described the aircraft. I still don't believe it was suicide, but I don't think it was anything extraterrestrial either.

I don't think you can really even begin to consider suicide with no body and no plane.

And if the UFO sightings by people on the ground were hoaxes, then how do you explain that photograph?

Like I said I really have no idea what happened to Frederick, but this is definitely one of those cases you have to think outside the box. I'm not ready to say it wa san extraterrestrial abduction, but still its hard to rule anything.

I can't imagine an apparently level headed young pilot having hallucinations because his craft was malfunctioning, just no evidence for it.

Does anyone think Valentich may have crashed but somehow survived and maybe was out of his head when he wrote that? Probably farfetched but another theory to throw out there. :)

Does anyone think Valentich may have crashed but somehow survived and maybe was out of his head when he wrote that? Probably farfetched but another theory to throw out there. :)

Another theory is that he staged his disappearance to start a new life. There were even reports of an unidentified plane landing not far from where Valentich claimed to be, shortly after his last transmission.


I don't think you can really even begin to consider suicide with no body and no plane.

And if the UFO sightings by people on the ground were hoaxes, then how do you explain that photograph?

Anything's possible in this case, regardless if there's no plane or no body. And even if they did find the plane at the bottom of the sea (and possibly Valentich's remains) they still could never rule out suicide, since he could have simply nosedived into the sea to kill himself. As to the UFO sightings, what photograph are you referring to?

As to the UFO sightings, what photograph are you referring to?
There was a picture some guy randomly took that some claimed had a shot of the alien spacecraft on it. But even the UM segment acknowledged that the spot in the picture was most likely a development error.

The Blonde Haired Girl in the Re-enactment is Lisa McCune who has gone on to become a pretty famous Actress and Host of shows like "Forensic Investigators" here in Australia. :)

I think it's possible Valentich staged his own disappearance to start a new life somewhere or that he committed suicide by crashing his plane into the sea but so far there are no reports or evidence suggesting his plane crashed anywhere. I'm not saying UFO's don't exist but I highly doubt Valentich encountered and got abducted by a UFO.

As for the picture with the black spot, I firmly believe it was a development error with the camera and not a UFO.

Just re-watched this case and decided to google Frederick Valentich and came up with some new information. Apparently Valentich was a UFO aficionado, who had written published articles on them. He also had talked to his father about possible UFO attacks. It's also interesting to note that Valentich had tried to join the Royal Australian Air Force twice but failed due to poor grades. So he then moved on and eventually got his private pilot license, but also wanted to get his commercial pilot license. From wikipedia:

"Valentich was studying part-time to become a commercial pilot but had a poor achievement record, having twice failed all five commercial licence examination subjects, and as recent as the previous month had failed three more commercial licence subjects. He had been involved in flying incidents, straying into a controlled zone in Sydney (for which he received a warning) and twice deliberately flying into cloud (for which prosecution was being considered).

Valentich had a Class Four instrument rating and 150 hours flight experience,when he filed a flight plan at Moorabbin Airport, Melbourne, on 21 October 1978. His stated intention was to fly to King Island in Bass Strait via Cape Otway, to pick up passengers, and return to Moorabbin. However, he had told his family, girlfriend and acquaintances that he intended to pick up crayfish. During the accident investigations it was learned there were no passengers waiting to be picked up at King Island, he had not ordered crayfish and could not have done so because crayfish were not available anyway."

Maybe it's just me, but IMO I think this bolsters the theory that Valentich faked the whole incident. Whether or not he's still alive is up for debate, but the fact that Valentich had an affinity for UFO's (and that he was possibly facing prosecution) may have drove him to stage an elaborate suicide. He would have no reason to lie about picking up passengers had he intended to come back to the Moorabbin Airport.

Just re-watched this case and decided to google Frederick Valentich and came up with some new information. Apparently Valentich was a UFO aficionado, who had written published articles on them. He also had talked to his father about possible UFO attacks. It's also interesting to note that Valentich had tried to join the Royal Australian Air Force twice but failed due to poor grades. So he then moved on and eventually got his private pilot license, but also wanted to get his commercial pilot license. From wikipedia:

"Valentich was studying part-time to become a commercial pilot but had a poor achievement record, having twice failed all five commercial licence examination subjects, and as recent as the previous month had failed three more commercial licence subjects. He had been involved in flying incidents, straying into a controlled zone in Sydney (for which he received a warning) and twice deliberately flying into cloud (for which prosecution was being considered).

Valentich had a Class Four instrument rating and 150 hours flight experience,when he filed a flight plan at Moorabbin Airport, Melbourne, on 21 October 1978. His stated intention was to fly to King Island in Bass Strait via Cape Otway, to pick up passengers, and return to Moorabbin. However, he had told his family, girlfriend and acquaintances that he intended to pick up crayfish. During the accident investigations it was learned there were no passengers waiting to be picked up at King Island, he had not ordered crayfish and could not have done so because crayfish were not available anyway."

Maybe it's just me, but IMO I think this bolsters the theory that Valentich faked the whole incident. Whether or not he's still alive is up for debate, but the fact that Valentich had an affinity for UFO's (and that he was possibly facing prosecution) may have drove him to stage an elaborate suicide. He would have no reason to lie about picking up passengers had he intended to come back to the Moorabbin Airport.
Funny how all these "abductees" were lifelong UFO fanatics. Travis Walton and Betty Hill were as well.

Yeah, it seems like quite a coincidence that someone who was a known UFO aficionado would happen to become the victim of a UFO abduction.

On the other hand, it's also quite a coincidence that other witnesses would see and photograph what appeared to be a UFO at around the exact same time the supposed abduction took place. But then again, they came forward only after hearing about Valentich's disappearance, so that may have caused them to convince themselves they saw a UFO that night. Given Valentich's rather flaky reputation, I wonder if the UFO abduction theory would have as much credence if it weren't for the photo and eyewitness accounts.

On the other hand, it's also quite a coincidence that other witnesses would see and photograph what appeared to be a UFO at around the exact same time the supposed abduction took place. But then again, they came forward only after hearing about Valentich's disappearance, so that may have caused them to convince themselves they saw a UFO that night. Given Valentich's rather flaky reputation, I wonder if the UFO abduction theory would have as much credence if it weren't for the photo and eyewitness accounts.

I admit that I know nothing about aviation or planes, but I wonder if it's possible that the witnesses who saw the light overtop of Valentich's plane was either a light from his plane or a reflection of some kind. As for the photo, UM did say that a second analysis concluded that it was a developmental error.

wasn't there someone in the early 1990s going around saying they were FV?

after reading that new information about Valentich it does seem now that he likely faked his death and started a new life somewhere. It also makes me think bad of him. What a dick thing to do, especially after seeing how upset his father was in the segment.

I can almost laugh at this $%t. It's an insult to Frederick's memory.
I totally agree w that (if he is indeed dead.idk).but I don't think it was aliens.I tend to think he did fake his own death.jmo.

Funny how all these "abductees" were lifelong UFO fanatics. Travis Walton and Betty Hill were as well.
yeah,that.

http://badufos.blogspot.com/2012/10/new-developments-in-frederick-valentich.html

i don't think it's a hoax


i think the letter is real

i don't think it's a hoax


i think the letter is real

It is also possible that Valentich became disoriented for some reason and crashed his plane.

him faking his death and starting a new life is the most likely theory.




him crashing or suicide is unlikely since no wreckage was found

him faking his death and starting a new life is the most likely theory.




him crashing or suicide is unlikely since no wreckage was found


I think its possible he faked the whole thing - I note from his wikipedia page:

The possibility remains that Valentich staged his own disappearance: even taking into account a trip of between 30 and 45 minutes to Cape Otway, the aircraft still had enough fuel to fly 800 kilometres despite ideal conditions, at no time was the aircraft plotted on radar, casting doubts as to whether it was ever near Cape Otwayand Melbourne Police received reports of a light aircraft making a mysterious landing not far from Cape Otway at the same time as Valentich's disappearance

Add to that, the fact he lied to his friends and girlfriends about going to King Island to pick up passengers, and his long term obsession with UFOs and the thing does begin to look a little suspicious.

I don't think the fact that no wreckage was found, however, proves he didn't crash. If he crashed, he would have done so in Bass Strait - which is nororious for its currents. It would have been easy for plane wreckage to be swept many miles off his flight path before sinking.