Can anyone help me with this list? I can only recall a few offhand:

- Victor Gerena (Boricua Popular Army, aka Los Macheteros. Their stated goal is Puerto Rican independence from the United States, which they perceive as a colonial government)

- Katherine Power (no affiliation, part of plot to arm the Black Panthers which included stealing from and damaging a Massachusetts National Guard armory and robbing a Brighton bank in 1970)

- "L'enfant" (?)

- the Unabomber (aka Ted Kaczynski. No affiliation, anarchist and neo-luddite)

For the sake of clarity, the U.S. DoD defines terrorism as the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

ETA: The Pat Robertson/Lakewood Church bomber, maybe. We still don't know what his motives were. The Florida church arsons looked like possible terrorism, but as it turns out the arsonist was schizophrenic.

The bomb placed under the minivan of the wife of the captain of the USS Vincennes which had accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger plane.

The February 17, 1993 episode had a focus on terrorism. There were two cases presented:

Bashir Kouchacji held prisoner and later harassed via telephone by what was likely a middle eastern terrorist organization.

The attempted bombing of the Captain of the U.S.S. Vincennes - likely in retribution for the accidental downing of an Iranian passenger plane.

Some others that may be terrorist related...

The derailment of the Amtrak Sunset Limited.

The downing of TWA Flight 800.

The attempted bombing of Guy Pence of the U.S. Forest Service.

Post 9/11 anthrax outbreaks.

I remember a segment about Arrow Air Flight 1285. A plane carrying some members of the 101st Airborne Div. exploded not long after take-off from Gander Lake, Newfoundland. I don't recall if terrorism was the assumption, although I do definitely remember it was one of those "supposed military coverup" segments.

I remember a segment about Arrow Air Flight 1285. A plane carrying some members of the 101st Airborne Div. exploded not long after take-off from Gander Lake, Newfoundland. I don't recall if terrorism was the assumption, although I do definitely remember it was one of those "supposed military coverup" segments.

A terrorist group called Islamic Jihad actually took credit for the explosion when an anonymous phone call was placed to a French news agency, but the government pretty much dismissed the claim. Whether it was a terrorist attack or not, it's pretty obvious the plane did not crash because of ice on the wings.

A terrorist group called Islamic Jihad actually took credit for the explosion when an anonymous phone call was placed to a French news agency, but the government pretty much dismissed the claim. Whether it was a terrorist attack or not, it's pretty obvious the plane did not crash because of ice on the wings.

I remember that now. Islamic Jihad is like the Ottis Toole of the terrorist world.

The Colorado cop killer case, the culprits were homegrown anti-government terrorists. All three, Alan Pilon, Robert Mason, and Jason McVean, are now dead.

Timothy Combs and the Freeman Movement in Missouri

Can anyone help me with this list? I can only recall a few offhand:

- Victor Gerena (Boricua Popular Army, aka Los Macheteros. Their stated goal is Puerto Rican independence from the United States, which they perceive as a colonial government)

- Katherine Power (no affiliation, part of plot to arm the Black Panthers which included stealing from and damaging a Massachusetts National Guard armory and robbing a Brighton bank in 1970)

- "L'enfant" (?)

- the Unabomber (aka Ted Kaczynski. No affiliation, anarchist and neo-luddite)

For the sake of clarity, the U.S. DoD defines terrorism as the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

ETA: The Pat Robertson/Lakewood Church bomber, maybe. We still don't know what his motives were. The Florida church arsons looked like possible terrorism, but as it turns out the arsonist was schizophrenic.

I like the U.S. definition of terrorism. Reminds me alot of the United States Military. lol

Timothy Combs and the Freeman Movement in Missouri
So would you consider our founding fathers Terrorists also?

The Hero of a Nation is the terrorist of his Opponent - Calle 13 (Los de Atras Vienen Conmigo).

I like the U.S. definition of terrorism. Reminds me alot of the United States Military. lol

We don't use unlawful violence. We don't use unlawful violence to inculcate fear. We don't intimidate governments or societies. We destroy clearly designated enemies by means authorized by international law.

I don't know what citizenship you hold, but you're certainly entitled to think what you will about us. But I ask you to please bear in mind: we only do what the officials the American public elected task us to do. If you're an American, you can change it. If you're not, criticize those who make the ultimate decisions on our policies, because it's not internal.

And, if you're a U.S. citizen, might I add: don't talk ****. I've had friends die for your right to liken us to terrorists.

We don't use unlawful violence. We don't use unlawful violence to inculcate fear. We don't intimidate governments or societies. We destroy clearly designated enemies by means authorized by international law.

I don't know what citizenship you hold, but you're certainly entitled to think what you will about us. But I ask you to please bear in mind: we only do what the officials the American public elected task us to do. If you're an American, you can change it. If you're not, criticize those who make the ultimate decisions on our policies, because it's not internal.

And, if you're a U.S. citizen, might I add: don't talk ****. I've had friends die for your right to liken us to terrorists.
Save ur patriotic crap for someone who cares. You killed a hundred thousand people in Iraq so exxon and bp could take over oil fields. You fight for the profit of the wealthy and not for some non existent freedom of the poor. I don't care how u justify it or what flag u do it under, murder for profit is terrorism in my book. How many countries has Fidel Castro invaded or bombed? Who was responsible for more innocent deaths between gw bush and bin laden? Save ur America the beautiful crap for someone a little less evolved.
And to sit there and pretend that the lives of "your" friends are somehow more important then the innocent people that had cruise missiles rip through their homes in the name of freedom is a typical assanine American attitude
Maybe you can explain why people in Canada, France, Sweeden, Brazil, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, Holland etc etc can be free and not have to have a massive military that is perpetually at war for 200 some odd years? Why can other countries have freedom without bombing the middle east? Oh wait I know what your gonna say. If we didnt do that then the people we are bombing would take over our country right? Funny thing, we lost Vietnam and not one soldier from the north vietnameese army showed up here. No invasion, no takeover, we dont speak vietnameese. Hmmmm just more lies.
Btw, I am an American and I take no pride in that. No pride in a country built on slavery and the abuse of the poor and before you give me your predictable "get out" tagline, I assure you I intend on it. I look forward to living in a country that puts the welfare of its citizens above the profits of corporations.

We don't use unlawful violence. We don't use unlawful violence to inculcate fear. We don't intimidate governments or societies. We destroy clearly designated enemies by means authorized by international law.

I don't know what citizenship you hold, but you're certainly entitled to think what you will about us. But I ask you to please bear in mind: we only do what the officials the American public elected task us to do. If you're an American, you can change it. If you're not, criticize those who make the ultimate decisions on our policies, because it's not internal.

And, if you're a U.S. citizen, might I add: don't talk ****. I've had friends die for your right to liken us to terrorists.

Now more than ever I stand by my statement.

I'm not american and I respectfully disagree with your statement about not using unlawful stuff. The US has it's fair share of unlawful activities especially during the cold war. Actions that led to destruction and violence. I'm not saying it's unique at all or that other guys aren't worse or as bad. But part of the problem is that nobody ever thinks they are doing wrong.

The powerful can bend the rules to change and make it lawful because they do. That while it's disgusting and totally reprehensible for "terrorist" to make their actions but the powerful just switch it to do their actions. That is why while a country can invade another under false pretenses while the majority of the world protest it, go in and find they are false and then justify it in some way. That's why the terrorism label is so iffy. I for one don't consider one case of terrorism profiled in UM, to be that wrong at all although I don't agree with the actions.

Save ur patriotic crap for someone who cares. You killed a hundred thousand people in Iraq so exxon and bp could take over oil fields. You fight for the profit of the wealthy and not for some non existent freedom of the poor. I don't care how u justify it or what flag u do it under, murder for profit is terrorism in my book. How many countries has Fidel Castro invaded or bombed? Who was responsible for more innocent deaths between gw bush and bin laden? Save ur America the beautiful crap for someone a little less evolved.
And to sit there and pretend that the lives of "your" friends are somehow more important then the innocent people that had cruise missiles rip through their homes in the name of freedom is a typical assanine American attitude
Maybe you can explain why people in Canada, France, Sweeden, Brazil, Norway, Switzerland, Finland, Holland etc etc can be free and not have to have a massive military that is perpetually at war for 200 some odd years? Why can other countries have freedom without bombing the middle east? Oh wait I know what your gonna say. If we didnt do that then the people we are bombing would take over our country right? Funny thing, we lost Vietnam and not one soldier from the north vietnameese army showed up here. No invasion, no takeover, we dont speak vietnameese. Hmmmm just more lies.
Btw, I am an American and I take no pride in that. No pride in a country built on slavery and the abuse of the poor and before you give me your predictable "get out" tagline, I assure you I intend on it. I look forward to living in a country that puts the welfare of its citizens above the profits of corporations.

I don't advocate any sort of "get out" mentality. It's your right to feel and believe whatever you'd like to feel and believe as an American. That's what's so great about this country. You're privileged to be able to say whatever you'd like about it. Believe me, I'd love to show you Afghanistan and how terrified some of those poor people are in the worst provinces, where rule of law is minimal and Taliban strongholds exist. They definitely weren't allowed to openly express what they feel and believe when THAT government existed.

I think your understanding of American history is extremely narrow, and in some ways blatantly incorrect, however. "My" friends 1LT Frank Walkup and 2LT Darryn Andrews' lives are no more important than any other human being's, but they gave them unselfishly so that you can continue to live in a country unthreatened by those who wish to impose a system of governance on you far more restrictive than anything you could ever conjure. Whether or not you want to believe those forces exist is your perogative, but I am here to tell you they definitely do. There are people sitting thousands of miles away wanting to kill you simply because you're an American.


But that is something you won't ever understand, nor would I expect you to. Your hate weakens you.

The US has it's fair share of unlawful activities especially during the cold war. Actions that led to destruction and violence. I'm not saying it's unique at all or that other guys aren't worse or as bad. But part of the problem is that nobody ever thinks they are doing wrong.

Could you provide some examples?

I for one don't consider one case of terrorism profiled in UM, to be that wrong at all although I don't agree with the actions.

Do you mean you can understand the ideologies and ideas of some of these people and groups, but find their violence unacceptable? That's what I understand your statement to mean, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding you.

I don't advocate any sort of "get out" mentality. It's your right to feel and believe whatever you'd like to feel and believe as an American. That's what's so great about this country. You're privileged to be able to say whatever you'd like about it. Believe me, I'd love to show you Afghanistan and how terrified some of those poor people are in the worst provinces, where rule of law is minimal and Taliban strongholds exist. They definitely weren't allowed to openly express what they feel and believe when THAT government existed.

I think your understanding of American history is extremely narrow, and in some ways blatantly incorrect, however. "My" friends 1LT Frank Walkup and 2LT Darryn Andrews' lives are no more important than any other human being's, but they gave them unselfishly so that you can continue to live in a country unthreatened by those who wish to impose a system of governance on you far more restrictive than anything you could ever conjure. Whether or not you want to believe those forces exist is your perogative, but I am here to tell you they definitely do. There are people sitting thousands of miles away wanting to kill you simply because you're an American.


But that is something you won't ever understand, nor would I expect you to. Your hate weakens you.

patriot: patriot: patriot:

Could you provide some examples?

During the cold war, the US supported numerous of right winged back dictators, coup's de etats and actions that violated the principals it's supposed to honor. Actions in Bolivia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile and Congo just to name a fews. The School of the americas in Georgia produced a huge amount of people who would be right in the middle of numerous human right violations in the name of fighting communism. And while I don't think the american people are at all responsible for it, I really doubt the millitary and US government wasn't overly complicit in the things they haven't even admitted too as opposed to just plain out supporting.

The line of terrorism is very nebolous. While the US is rejoicing about the death of Bin Laden and all the Al Qaeda monsters they rightfully killed, they are letting Luis Posada Carriles go free.


Do you mean you can understand the ideologies and ideas of some of these people and groups, but find their violence unacceptable? That's what I understand your statement to mean, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding you.

It means I support the ideals of one group but don't find the actions that acceptable. Then again, it didn't commit as heinous act as others. I despise violence but it goes both ways.

"My" friends 1LT Frank Walkup and 2LT Darryn Andrews' lives are no more important than any other human being's, but they gave them unselfishly so that you can continue to live in a country unthreatened by those who wish to impose a system of governance on you far more restrictive than anything you could ever conjure. Whether or not you want to believe those forces exist is your perogative, but I am here to tell you they definitely do. There are people sitting thousands of miles away wanting to kill you simply because you're an American.

I fail to see how the balance of somebody else living in a free country was threatened at all in recent actions either in Afghanistan or Iraq. I can totally see why the US took action in a country that habored a group that attacked the US like they did in Afghanistan (the Iraq invasion I totally disagree with though). And that doesn't mean they aren't doing a great job for your country at all or they died for it. But you don't really think that the Taliban or Sharia law is going to come to the US or take over do you? When the US went to Vietnam, they didn't really think the Viet Cong would invade Oregon or something to that effect? I think it's a real slippery slope to bring that up because in a way it's trying to justify actions and saying the balance of the country is in a threat is kind of dubious. Every country has a right to defend itself but I don't think the rest of the world should be held hostage to american insecurities either. Like I said, I understand and support actions like the one in Afghanistan but shouldn't really feel that the future of your nation hangs in the thread with every military action the US takes because that's part of the problem.

I don't advocate any sort of "get out" mentality. It's your right to feel and believe whatever you'd like to feel and believe as an American. That's what's so great about this country. You're privileged to be able to say whatever you'd like about it. Believe me, I'd love to show you Afghanistan and how terrified some of those poor people are in the worst provinces, where rule of law is minimal and Taliban strongholds exist. They definitely weren't allowed to openly express what they feel and believe when THAT government existed.

I think your understanding of American history is extremely narrow, and in some ways blatantly incorrect, however. "My" friends 1LT Frank Walkup and 2LT Darryn Andrews' lives are no more important than any other human being's, but they gave them unselfishly so that you can continue to live in a country unthreatened by those who wish to impose a system of governance on you far more restrictive than anything you could ever conjure. Whether or not you want to believe those forces exist is your perogative, but I am here to tell you they definitely do. There are people sitting thousands of miles away wanting to kill you simply because you're an American.


But that is something you won't ever understand, nor would I expect you to. Your hate weakens you.
My understanding of history is narrow LMAO. This is coming from a brainwashed robot that salutes a piece of cloth. Now thats funny. Don't bother trying to debate anything I brought up just tell me I have a narrow few or that im incorrect and then hit me with some patriotic slogans LOL. Sure there are people who are pissed off at America and gee I wonder why? Maybe because you military people bombed and killed their family members so some corporation could set up shop in their country and enslave their people. Maybe because when as a nation you have been constantly at war with someone since your inception you tend to make a few enemies now and again.

Ya howcome nobody wants to kill people from Finland? Switzerland? Iceland? Holland? Germany? Hmmmm MAYBE BECAUSE THOSE COUNTRIES DONT INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THE PROFIT OF CORPORATIONS. Ya Think? Why do all these so called "terrorists" just want to kill us? Oh I know its like ole W Bush said," they hate our freedom". Ya thats it. Weird thing is there is an awful lot of free countries where no one flies planes into buildings. Wonder if there is more to the story here? lol. I dont beileve in your Boogey man theory either. I know they forced that down your throat in boot camp so youd be a good little soldier and go kill when told but its all bull****.

You wanna bring up how people under Taliban rule cant speak out and express themselves? As if we can do that in America huh? We have the right to speak out and change the system here right? Uh huh, Tell that bull**** to Martin Luther King, Fred Hampton, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Medgar Evers, Malcom X, Michael Schwerner, Need I go on or do you get the point?? Sure you can speak out in America and try to change the system. Only problem is you get your head blown off for it. Sounds alot like your Taliban dont it?

And no, your friends did not give their lives unselfishly so we could all live in this wonderful slave nation with a giant ponzi scheme for an economy. They gave their lives under false pretences that they would have seen through if theyd studied their history. How many soldiers turned against the United States military and became war protesters after Vietnam? Look into it. Maybe you could start by watching the movie "Born on the fourth of July" and begin to get a clue to true reality no matter how painful it may be to swallow.

[QUOTE=rhzunam]During the cold war, the US supported numerous of right winged back dictators, coup's de etats and actions that violated the principals it's supposed to honor. Actions in Bolivia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile and Congo just to name a fews. The School of the americas in Georgia produced a huge amount of people who would be right in the middle of numerous human right violations in the name of fighting communism. And while I don't think the american people are at all responsible for it, I really doubt the millitary and US government wasn't overly complicit in the things they haven't even admitted too as opposed to just plain out supporting.

Yes well I doubt she will debate any of this with you. But you know we cant have communism spreading because that means corporations cant enslave the population and profit from them. So any leader who wont allow for that is an enemy of freedom. Also we cant have some country not allowing the big oil companies to come in and rape the land of natural resources while making billions in profits and leaving the citizens in poverty. How dare any foriegn leader use money from oil to directly benefit the people of his nation. That would bring a shock and awe style US bombing for sure.

My understanding of history is narrow LMAO. This is coming from a brainwashed robot that salutes a piece of cloth. Now thats funny. Don't bother trying to debate anything I brought up just tell me I have a narrow few or that im incorrect and then hit me with some patriotic slogans LOL. Sure there are people who are pissed off at America and gee I wonder why? Maybe because you military people bombed and killed their family members so some corporation could set up shop in their country and enslave their people. Maybe because when as a nation you have been constantly at war with someone since your inception you tend to make a few enemies now and again.

Ya howcome nobody wants to kill people from Finland? Switzerland? Iceland? Holland? Germany? Hmmmm MAYBE BECAUSE THOSE COUNTRIES DONT INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THE PROFIT OF CORPORATIONS. Ya Think? Why do all these so called "terrorists" just want to kill us? Oh I know its like ole W Bush said," they hate our freedom". Ya thats it. Weird thing is there is an awful lot of free countries where no one flies planes into buildings. Wonder if there is more to the story here? lol. I dont beileve in your Boogey man theory either. I know they forced that down your throat in boot camp so youd be a good little soldier and go kill when told but its all bull****.

You wanna bring up how people under Taliban rule cant speak out and express themselves? As if we can do that in America huh? We have the right to speak out and change the system here right? Uh huh, Tell that bull**** to Martin Luther King, Fred Hampton, John F Kennedy, Robert F Kennedy, Medgar Evers, Malcom X, Michael Schwerner, Need I go on or do you get the point?? Sure you can speak out in America and try to change the system. Only problem is you get your head blown off for it. Sounds alot like your Taliban dont it?

And no, your friends did not give their lives unselfishly so we could all live in this wonderful slave nation with a giant ponzi scheme for an economy. They gave their lives under false pretences that they would have seen through if theyd studied their history. How many soldiers turned against the United States military and became war protesters after Vietnam? Look into it. Maybe you could start by watching the movie "Born on the fourth of July" and begin to get a clue to true reality no matter how painful it may be to swallow.

You don't even know who I am, yet you spew viritol. Why resort to personal insult? What point are you going to illustrate, or what conclusion do you hope to achieve? It sounds like there exist a lot of personal emotions wrapped up with perceived fact. That, of course, is your business. I won't descend down that rabbit hole.

You're wrong, and as I stated before, it's something you will never understand because you've never been in our position, nor are you open to any other understanding of the subject but your own. I didn't sit in a classroom all day, or listen to a few radio pundits, or read a couple of NYT bestsellers on the couch, or watch an Oliver Stone film in the air conditioning. I worked, I studied, I sweat, I bled, I hurt, I ached, and I cried. I continue to do so.



I'll say it for them: You're welcome.

The line of terrorism is very nebolous. While the US is rejoicing about the death of Bin Laden and all the Al Qaeda monsters they rightfully killed, they are letting Luis Posada Carriles go free.

And I agree with you.


I fail to see how the balance of somebody else living in a free country was threatened at all in recent actions either in Afghanistan or Iraq. I can totally see why the US took action in a country that habored a group that attacked the US like they did in Afghanistan (the Iraq invasion I totally disagree with though). And that doesn't mean they aren't doing a great job for your country at all or they died for it. But you don't really think that the Taliban or Sharia law is going to come to the US or take over do you? When the US went to Vietnam, they didn't really think the Viet Cong would invade Oregon or something to that effect? I think it's a real slippery slope to bring that up because in a way it's trying to justify actions and saying the balance of the country is in a threat is kind of dubious. Every country has a right to defend itself but I don't think the rest of the world should be held hostage to american insecurities either. Like I said, I understand and support actions like the one in Afghanistan but shouldn't really feel that the future of your nation hangs in the thread with every military action the US takes because that's part of the problem.

No, I don't believe the Taliban or Sharia law will ever be a reality for Americans at home. My statement was made for the purpose of illustration. It is a great personal annoyance to me that there exist a number of my countrymen and -women who take their own nation's autonomy and system of governance for granted--as though it exists effortlessly, without struggle or strife. It never has. Personally speaking, I find it disgustingly ingrateful.

No, I don't believe the Taliban or Sharia law will ever be a reality for Americans at home. My statement was made for the purpose of illustration. It is a great personal annoyance to me that there exist a number of my countrymen and -women who take their own nation's autonomy and system of governance for granted--as though it exists effortlessly, without struggle or strife. It never has. Personally speaking, I find it disgustingly ingrateful.

I think americans are actually more apreciative than most especially to the american soldier which are almost treated like they are the biggest and more important specimen in society, which ends up being a fault because it becomes totally manipulated and exploited by the powerfuls groups in the nation in government and industry, just as the american soldiers are also totally exploited by them too. Thus in the interest of those groups, soldiers go out and do the dirty work, bring suffering to other people and themselves and then end up being used as the shield to deflect criticism from their own people who in the need to defend them and protect them, end up falling into the trap made by the groups of power. So in some cases they go and invade a country having numerous casualties for themselves and causing them to others while trying to defend a supposed sovereignity that was never threatened by that country all for mostly the benefits of the certain groups in power who then by using that fake threat bring up power to their movemet and deflect criticism towards them to very good effect.

A lot of people do apreciate it but it gets lost in the message because as I said, the spheres of power exploit that message to their convenience which I have to say has worked pretty well in the US before (like racial tensions in the south).

You don't even know who I am, yet you spew viritol. Why resort to personal insult? What point are you going to illustrate, or what conclusion do you hope to achieve? It sounds like there exist a lot of personal emotions wrapped up with perceived fact. That, of course, is your business. I won't descend down that rabbit hole.

You're wrong, and as I stated before, it's something you will never understand because you've never been in our position, nor are you open to any other understanding of the subject but your own. I didn't sit in a classroom all day, or listen to a few radio pundits, or read a couple of NYT bestsellers on the couch, or watch an Oliver Stone film in the air conditioning. I worked, I studied, I sweat, I bled, I hurt, I ached, and I cried. I continue to do so.



I'll say it for them: You're welcome.
Dont say " Your Welcome" to me because I have nothing to thank you for. What you have done in life is on you and has nothing to do with me. Just because I have never been in your position doesn't mean I don't understand what you do. You take orders to kill in the name of profits. You are brainwashed into believing that you fight for some honor or higher purpose but Im sorry, you don't. You do what you do so Haliburton can make a few billion dollars and Exxon can grab up a few more oil fields. You are nothing but hired killers. I know plenty of ex military people who feel the same way I do. The military did not create, protect or maintain freedom. I would seriously argue that this is one of the most non free countries on earth. Maybe insead of bleeding, aching, hurting and crying you should start studying the real history of this country and you will find human rights abuses that are easily equal to any so called terroist nation.

And I agree with you.




No, I don't believe the Taliban or Sharia law will ever be a reality for Americans at home. My statement was made for the purpose of illustration. It is a great personal annoyance to me that there exist a number of my countrymen and -women who take their own nation's autonomy and system of governance for granted--as though it exists effortlessly, without struggle or strife. It never has. Personally speaking, I find it disgustingly ingrateful.
Oh ya our system of governance took a great deal of strife and struggle lmao. Ya its alot of work for corrupt bankers to buy off the two party system. It took alot of effort for the Health Insurance Ceo's (whom have turned our nations healthcare system into a profit before people nightmare) to buy off our spineless elected officials. Ya and it took great pains to get us to the point where in an election we have a choice between one of two parties which are both equally controlled by the same people.

Ya Im so freakin grateful to live in this paradise where workers have no rights on the job, wages are dropping and benefits disappearing while cost of living rises, people lose their jobs and their homes because of the corrupt scum in the mortgage industry while the crooks that cause the mess get bailouts and politicians give themselves raises. Ya I guess I should be greatfull lol.

Greatful to a country that allows millions of illegal immigrants to invade us and lower the standard of living as well as put an unreal strain on social servies but hey its all in the name of corporate profits off cheap labor so citizens be damned.

We should all be greatfull that we live in a country where citizens struggle to pay for gasoline while oil companies make a billion a month in profit. How nice. What if we nationalized the oil industry and put all of the money from the sale of oil into healthcare and social securtiy? Oh wait that would be Un American lol.

I think americans are actually more apreciative than most especially to the american soldier which are almost treated like they are the biggest and more important specimen in society, which ends up being a fault because it becomes totally manipulated and exploited by the powerfuls groups in the nation in government and industry, just as the american soldiers are also totally exploited by them too. Thus in the interest of those groups, soldiers go out and do the dirty work, bring suffering to other people and themselves and then end up being used as the shield to deflect criticism from their own people who in the need to defend them and protect them, end up falling into the trap made by the groups of power. So in some cases they go and invade a country having numerous casualties for themselves and causing them to others while trying to defend a supposed sovereignity that was never threatened by that country all for mostly the benefits of the certain groups in power who then by using that fake threat bring up power to their movemet and deflect criticism towards them to very good effect.

A lot of people do apreciate it but it gets lost in the message because as I said, the spheres of power exploit that message to their convenience which I have to say has worked pretty well in the US before (like racial tensions in the south).
Great post. Its all done by design by the powers that be. For some time now its been very prominent for people to say " I dont support war but support the troops" Ofcourse, any thinking person can see that statement is devoid of any logic. But it's what they put out there you know. Its like if you speak out against what the military is doing then your un American and how dare you go against the soldiers who are only fighting for your freedom. lol I made the example earlier and of course Meg wont address it but Id still like to know why so many free societies can exist without bombing or invading other countries but the united states seems unable to.

Great post. Its all done by design by the powers that be. For some time now its been very prominent for people to say " I dont support war but support the troops" Ofcourse, any thinking person can see that statement is devoid of any logic. But it's what they put out there you know. Its like if you speak out against what the military is doing then your un American and how dare you go against the soldiers who are only fighting for your freedom. lol I made the example earlier and of course Meg wont address it but Id still like to know why so many free societies can exist without bombing or invading other countries but the united states seems unable to.

I'll just say that Meg has been pretty civil with me and I don't feel that escalating the tone brings much help in the discussion. You have some good points that are getting lost because of it imo.

The name of this thread is

Terrorist and terrorism organization cases on UM


When it gets changed to

"F*CK America and every American who isn't as smart as I (think I am)"

then some posters will finally be on topic.

The name of this thread is

Terrorist and terrorism organization cases on UM


When it gets changed to

"F*CK America and every American who isn't as smart as I (think I am)"

then some posters will finally be on topic.
Well it got changed because your military friend told me that her and her friends fought for me to have the right to call them terrorists. Then she proceeded to tell me not to talk "****". So on one hand apparntly I have the right but on the other Im told to shut my mouth. I found this typical of the American way and felt the need to speak up. You all can take the thread back to UM cases whenever you like.

I'll just say that Meg has been pretty civil with me and I don't feel that escalating the tone brings much help in the discussion. You have some good points that are getting lost because of it imo.
I know what your saying. She hasnt been very civil to me though and I really dont like the pompous attitude of the majority of miltary people. As with most of them she seems to think that "we" the common people owe her some debt of gratitude and I just don't see it. Im very passionate about my beliefs and in my opinion you should always speak out and call a spade a spade.

kane, u won this battle.......