Came across this on the forbidden site. It's bad news.

Associated Press
FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. -- A skull found at the bottom of the Mogollon Rim in eastern Arizona has been identified as that of a Kansas trucker.
The Gila County Sheriff's Department said Wednesday the dental records showed the dead man was Devin Williams. His home town was unavailable.
Williams' semi-tractor become stuck in the woods about 20 miles from Arizona Route 87 two years ago. He last had been seen a quarter mile north of Mogollon Rim Road.
His skull was found in the area on May 2. Details as to how he died were unavailable

Wanted to re-post it with its own title to make sure everyone saw it.

I thought it was 1997 or something like that when these remains were discovered. I know it wasn't within these last few years.

It might have been...I saw it and then I looked up a thread on him and it didn't say anything about him having been found, so thought I'd post it just in case people missed it (like I did :) )

Yes we came across a blurb about his skull being found a few years back and posted it. It was pretty frustrating that the only place you can find anything about him was on a alien website. They seemed to think his acting strangely was because he had been abducted by alients...:rolleyes: I spoke with his daughter a few years ago. They still have absolutely no idea what happened. It would be sad to have to live your life not knowing why your father was acting that way and why he died. They weren't able to determine a cause of death but I think it was probably exposure.

Some have suggested that he may have been diabetic or going through some kind of diabetic episode when he ended up driving through that park and so forth.

Some have suggested that he may have been diabetic or going through some kind of diabetic episode when he ended up driving through that park and so forth.

I think this is quite possible. My step-father was driving home from work one day when his vision suddenly went blurry and he passed out at the wheel and went into the ditch. Luckily he wasn't hurt. He was taken to the hospital where they found that he had type 2 diabetes. (he had no idea) I've heard sometimes Type 2 can disorientate you so maybe that's what happened.

So sad his family never really found out exactly what happened to him.

I've always pondered the possibility that someone slipped a drug into something he was drinking, possibly a person who wanted to steal his rig. Of course, even though the segment reiterated that he did not use his drugs and always passed his tests, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that he wanted to experiment with something for the first time and it all went horribly wrong.

IMO, the diabetic "shock" theory seems the most plausible in this case.

As I posted on the other Devin Williams forum I had a friend who was also a truck driver that had a diabetic episode as was acting exactly like Devin Williams was said to have been acting. Luckily we were able to recognize what was going on with my friend and get him to eat and come out of it. Devin was by himself and no one recognized what was going on with him so I figure he wondered off into the wilderness, slipped into a coma and died.

As I posted on the other Devin Williams forum I had a friend who was also a truck driver that had a diabetic episode as was acting exactly like Devin Williams was said to have been acting. Luckily we were able to recognize what was going on with my friend and get him to eat and come out of it. Devin was by himself and no one recognized what was going on with him so I figure he wondered off into the wilderness, slipped into a coma and died.
that's probably the best evidence that you have to go by. he was not a drug user or drinker. I don't know why someone would want to drink and drive like that anyway....I think what is weird is how he was talking about jail....but he may have realized that he was in trouble once he came to in the woods and was very frightened that he would be arrested and fired. given the circumstances no one wanted to help him because they probably feared for their own saftey. if someone would have stepped in he might have been saved.

I've always pondered the possibility that someone slipped a drug into something he was drinking, possibly a person who wanted to steal his rig. Of course, even though the segment reiterated that he did not use his drugs and always passed his tests, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that he wanted to experiment with something for the first time and it all went horribly wrong.
that just doesn't seem likely. the chances that he was drugged against his will seem more remote than if he was on drugs on his own accord. maybe he was sleep deprived or had some type of reaction to other medicine? that might be more possible?

if someone wanted to steal his rig it would have done them no good to have him driving it through the forrest strung out like that.

that just doesn't seem likely. the chances that he was drugged against his will seem more remote than if he was on drugs on his own accord. maybe he was sleep deprived or had some type of reaction to other medicine? or he may have been sick/dehydrated/diabetic/etc that might be more possible?

if someone wanted to steal his rig it would have done them no good to have him driving it through the forrest strung out like that.

Hey, y'all! I'm relatively new (I've been one of those creepy lurkers for some time). I'm so glad to see that Devin was found! I've always found his case so deliciously strange...I wonder if we'll ever know exactly what happened to him.

I believe it...I have several family members who are diabetic and when their sugar got panic level high...they saw dead people, blue-haired old ladies, had ridiculous delusions...it was unbelievable. If we hadn't known to check their sugar or take them to the ER to get it under control when they had problems, I could easily have seen them being mistaken for psychotic or high.

I believe it...I have several family members who are diabetic and when their sugar got panic level high...they saw dead people, blue-haired old ladies, had ridiculous delusions...it was unbelievable. If we hadn't known to check their sugar or take them to the ER to get it under control when they had problems, I could easily have seen them being mistaken for psychotic or high.
The effect on the brain is very much like an acid trip.

whatever happened,I'm baffled as to why several ppl saw him and NO ONE tried to get him any help when it was SO apparent there was something wrong.

Well, let's be honest...you see a big burly trucker in the middle of the woods doing crazy stuff...would you get involved? Most people, despite what they think they would do, would avoid it.

Well, let's be honest...you see a big burly trucker in the middle of the woods doing crazy stuff...would you get involved? Most people, despite what they think they would do, would avoid it.
I'd avoid HIM,but I'd also try to get him some help.it's a shame no one did.

I'd avoid HIM,but I'd also try to get him some help.it's a shame no one did.

IIRC, didn't various people in the campground report his odd behavior to a ranger or police officer?

IIRC, didn't various people in the campground report his odd behavior to a ranger or police officer?
not that I recall.although I could be wrong.I can't imagine someone would report such odd behavior in a big rig driver and no one would bother to check it out.

not that I recall.although I could be wrong.I can't imagine someone would report such odd behavior in a big rig driver and no one would bother to check it out.

I'm almost positive someone reported this incident to a ranger/police officer, and by the time he arrived he found an abandoned rig and no sign of Devin.

I'm almost positive someone reported this incident to a ranger/police officer, and by the time he arrived he found an abandoned rig and no sign of Devin.

I realize this post is years old, but I'm watching this now and yes, there were at least two reports made to LE concerning Devin's behavior.

I actually wonder if this wasn't something as simple as sleep deprivation. Long haul truck drivers pull some pretty outrageous hours sometimes. I have seen perfectly healthy individuals say and do very, very strange things when they've gone without adequate sleep for about a week or so.

Was there any information released about whether or not he ended up lighting the grill?

Was there any information released about whether or not he ended up lighting the grill?

I hate to be one of those guys who just posts "lol" in a thread but I have to do it so forgive me!

:lol:

There was never any mystery to this for me. From the second I saw this segment, I knew that he'd had a psychotic episode - its rare that these things will first manifest themselves in a person's late 20s/30s, but it happens.

What caused that episode (diabetes, drug interactions, latent schizophrenia) is now academic.

Such a shame too. He seemed like a really decent, hardworking, husband and father.

There was never any mystery to this for me. From the second I saw this segment, I knew that he'd had a psychotic episode - its rare that these things will first manifest themselves in a person's late 20s/30s, but it happens.

What caused that episode (diabetes, drug interactions, latent schizophrenia) is now academic.

Such a shame too. He seemed like a really decent, hardworking, husband and father.

Eh, psychosis is a diagnosis of exclusion (as much as you can diagnose a symptom, that is). Things like hypoglycemia, exhaustion, and even poisoning have to be considered and ruled out first. Unfortunately, I don't think any of us will ever know what exactly caused Devin Williams to behave as he did.

Was there any information released about whether or not he ended up lighting the grill?

Without a doubt, one of the funniest things I've ever read on this board haha.

I realize this post is years old, but I'm watching this now and yes, there were at least two reports made to LE concerning Devin's behavior.

I actually wonder if this wasn't something as simple as sleep deprivation. Long haul truck drivers pull some pretty outrageous hours sometimes. I have seen perfectly healthy individuals say and do very, very strange things when they've gone without adequate sleep for about a week or so.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned on the actual segment, but the UM Wiki page says this, "There is no apparent reason for Devin's sudden disappearance. The day before, he had phoned the company remarking that he could not get any sleep but was determined to get on the road." So it very well could have been sleep deprivation which caused him to act in such an odd way.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned on the actual segment, but the UM Wiki page says this, "There is no apparent reason for Devin's sudden disappearance. The day before, he had phoned the company remarking that he could not get any sleep but was determined to get on the road." So it very well could have been sleep deprivation which caused him to act in such an odd way.

That's what I wondered about too. Sleep deprivation or sleep deprivation induced psychosis of some kind, possibly connected to use of speed or too much caffeine.

Was there any information released about whether or not he ended up lighting the grill?


Pfffffff HAHAHA XD

Honestly, jumping immediately to the "drug abuse" and "psychosis" theory seems far to convenient an excuse for what happened to him. It COULD have been that, but he had no history of drug abuse or mental illness, so to me it sounds a bit unlikely.

I'd believe the diabetic theory. I'm not diabetic, but I am insulin resistant, and can tell you low blood sugar can make you very disoriented even in mild cases if you don't control it. If he had no idea he was diabetic....

That's what I wondered about too. Sleep deprivation or sleep deprivation induced psychosis of some kind, possibly connected to use of speed or too much caffeine.


A brain bleed could trigger the sorts of symptoms seen. So, I guess we should add brain hemorrhage to the list of possibilities.

Three long haul trucker specialities: smokes, caffeine and speed all up the risk.

What if he was suffering from the effects of carbon monoxide poisoning ala Dan Wilson?

What if he was suffering from the effects of carbon monoxide poisoning ala Dan Wilson?

It's possible, but if I remember right, they checked the truck and apparently everything was fine.

It's possible, but if I remember right, they checked the truck and apparently everything was fine.

I seem to remember this as well. IIRC, the segment mentioned that there was nothing wrong with the truck mechanically, and that they were baffled at his behavior because they couldn't find a reason for it. Sleep deprivation seems the most likely to me.

I have seen this type of behavior before from diabetics in insulin shock. I'm betting he had diabetes and didnt realize it . He acted crazy then wondered off and since it wAsnt treated he died

Just saw that they found Devin's remains in the late 90's. Terrible news. I wonder if his case could be similar to that of Dan Wilson? The man who lashed out at his boss, was told to take a few days off and drove off never to be seen again. Come to find out, his car had been slowly giving him carbon monoxide doses that screwed up his immune system and caused him to act differently. I wonder if Devin's truck was checked?

They would have found the carbon monoxide leak when they did the inspection on his truck after it was found in the woods. Second, Dan's behavior was increasingly getting worse and worse over the coarse of the last year or so (about the amount of time he was driving the car) if I'm not mistaken. He was slowly being exposed to carbon monoxide. Devin exhibited no personality changes or abnormal behavior just days before he went missing (even up to the night before) so I highly doubt a carbon monoxide leak into the truck anyways.

I don't buy the drug theory or that he was drugged in an attempted robbery. He had no history of any drug use and passed all his drug tests. He seemed like a big family guy. I cant see him one day, being a non drug user, thinking it would be a great idea to take a drug strong enough to cause him go that far off the deep end.

They would have found the carbon monoxide leak when they did the inspection on his truck after it was found in the woods.

To my knowledge, there was no mention of his truck being given a full inspection, hence the reason for my asking if it had been.

Second, Dan's behavior was increasingly getting worse and worse over the coarse of the last year or so (about the amount of time he was driving the car) if I'm not mistaken.

The segment mentioned that he had been driving that exact car every day for the past year. No mention of his behavior getting erratic until the last few days before he snapped at his supervisor.

He was slowly being exposed to carbon monoxide. Devin exhibited no personality changes or abnormal behavior just days before he went missing (even up to the night before) so I highly doubt a carbon monoxide leak into the truck anyways.

Devin drove a truck for a living. Since he drove it at least five days a week, he would also be exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning slowly. The behavior exhibited by Devin by all of the eyewitnesses was VERY strange and erratic. He tells one man "they made me do it" and to another, he tries using a stick and a $20 bill to start a fire. Not exactly examples of good behavior.

I was just throwing this out there as a possibility. Not saying its fact.

To my knowledge, there was no mention of his truck being given a full inspection, hence the reason for my asking if it had been.



The segment mentioned that he had been driving that exact car every day for the past year. No mention of his behavior getting erratic until the last few days before he snapped at his supervisor.



Devin drove a truck for a living. Since he drove it at least five days a week, he would also be exposed to carbon monoxide poisoning slowly. The behavior exhibited by Devin by all of the eyewitnesses was VERY strange and erratic. He tells one man "they made me do it" and to another, he tries using a stick and a $20 bill to start a fire. Not exactly examples of good behavior.

I was just throwing this out there as a possibility. Not saying its fact.


........Okay you completely misunderstood what I meant. I meant up until Devin took his truck off road and started his bizarre behavior, he was normal. Right up until that very day not one single person in his life reported any odd behavior. The day before he took his truck off into the forest, he was normal. That is what I meant.

Second, Dan's behavior had been going downhill for well over a year or so. He had a complete mental breakdown about a year or two prior to his disappearance. It was assumed it was in part to be due to his divorce. He had seemed to improve for a time however his own mother who was interviewed for the segment stated that his house was messier each time she came to visit. The last time she visited his house it was very unkempt (even more so than the prior time) and he seemed off (stressed, tired, unkempt,). She sensed something was wrong obviously and that's why she encouraged him to take time off and visit them. This was prior to Dan's outburst at work. Others in Dan's life were noticing his decline in the weeks or possibly months leading up to his outburst at work. Remember, he also had a mental breakdown too. I'm not saying that was caused by carbon monoxide alone but clearly he was already fragile mentally/emotionally.

Devin had no known mental issues, breakdowns, or behavioral issues in his past. None of his relatives, friends or employer reported any decline at all. They noticed nothing out of the ordinary up until the day before he went off into the woods. That is what I meant

I spoke to his daughter a few years back and they still have no idea what happened to him. A poster mentioned a possibility of some sort of diabetic episode (he wasn't diagnosed with diabetes but that doesn't mean he didn't have it) and that or possibly a stroke (similar to Rogest Cain) is the most plausible reason in my opinion for his behavior.

........Okay you completely misunderstood what I meant. I meant up until Devin took his truck off road and started his bizarre behavior, he was normal. Right up until that very day not one single person in his life reported any odd behavior. The day before he took his truck off into the forest, he was normal. That is what I meant.

Second, Dan's behavior had been going downhill for well over a year or so. He had a complete mental breakdown about a year or two prior to his disappearance. It was assumed it was in part to be due to his divorce. He had seemed to improve for a time however his own mother who was interviewed for the segment stated that his house was messier each time she came to visit. The last time she visited his house it was very unkempt (even more so than the prior time) and he seemed off (stressed, tired, unkempt,). She sensed something was wrong obviously and that's why she encouraged him to take time off and visit them. This was prior to Dan's outburst at work. Others in Dan's life were noticing his decline in the weeks or possibly months leading up to his outburst at work. Remember, he also had a mental breakdown too. I'm not saying that was caused by carbon monoxide alone but clearly he was already fragile mentally/emotionally.

Devin had no known mental issues, breakdowns, or behavioral issues in his past. None of his relatives, friends or employer reported any decline at all. They noticed nothing out of the ordinary up until the day before he went off into the woods. That is what I meant

I get what you mean. All I'm saying is just because it hadn't appeared or surfaced prior to the incident, doesn't mean that it didn't the day he disappeared and caused all of this.

I spoke to his daughter a few years back and they still have no idea what happened to him. A poster mentioned a possibility of some sort of diabetic episode (he wasn't diagnosed with diabetes but that doesn't mean he didn't have it) and that or possibly a stroke (similar to Rogest Cain) is the most plausible reason in my opinion for his behavior.

The diabetic angle is certainly a possibility. I wonder if tests were run to determine if he was in fact, an undiagnosed diabetic?

Initially, I thought it was a pretty clear-cut case of a stress-induced psychotic break, but everyone else's posts have got me thinking about if it could have been a medical issue.

My mother is a diabetic. When her sugar levels are insanely high or insanely low, she gets "loopy," as my brother and I call it and says some pretty weird crap. This theory is totally plausible, in my eyes. It makes me sad because if Devin were in a state due to blood sugar issues, he would have certainly perished from exposure in the event that he didn't go into a diabetic coma in the woods. Or it could have been both-- he could have passed out and went into a coma, only to die from exposure.

Sad all around.

I believe they only found his skull and maybe some bone fragments. That would rule out the ability to test for diabetes or a stroke. They couldn't even say exactly how he died (exposure, natural causes, dehydration/starvation. ect) With just a skull and a few bone fragments it can be impossible to determine even a manner or cause of death unless there is a bullet hole or blunt force trauma visible to the skull.

I'm going to venture and bet it was a medical issue. He wasn't a drug user by anyone account. He came across as a pretty big family guy. He was clearly overweight. Id even say obese (I think the whole family looks pretty unhealthy, if I remember correctly). Im also going to bet his occupation only made his habits worse (fast food, tons of caffeine to stay awake on long hauls, lack of exercise of any kind (especially with his legs being in the same position driving, it can cause a blood clot which then can break off and cause a stroke.) This is actually a big concern with the elderly, immobile and obsese who are in the same position or don't move much. He very could have smoked (im not sure.) All in all, a medical issue such as a stroke or diabetes seems much more likely given his obesity and he probable habits.

I believe they only found his skull and maybe some bone fragments. That would rule out the ability to test for diabetes or a stroke. They couldn't even say exactly how he died (exposure, natural causes, dehydration/starvation. ect) With just a skull and a few bone fragments it can be impossible to determine even a manner or cause of death unless there is a bullet hole or blunt force trauma visible to the skull.

Very true. Completely forgot about that.

All interesting theories. I too believe it was probably a medical condition whether it be physical that turned to mental or vice versa. I remember the first time I saw this it was very spooky.

I remember the first time I saw this it was very spooky.

Same here. One thing that I always thought was odd was all these witnesses saying they confronted him about being in the woods. Why would you confront someone in the middle of nowhere, who obviously is up to no good? And most of these witnesses were elderly people IIRC.

Same here. One thing that I always thought was odd was all these witnesses saying they confronted him about being in the woods. Why would you confront someone in the middle of nowhere, who obviously is up to no good? And most of these witnesses were elderly people IIRC.
Yeah I'm pretty sure if I saw that truck driving like that in that area I would of just fled in pure fear.

Yeah I'm pretty sure if I saw that truck driving like that in that area I would of just fled in pure fear.

Seeing that truck in the field kind of reminded me of Joy Ride, with Paul Walker.