Just found out earlier this yr Gilbert Ortiz (the man that was poisoned by his wife with the "body building" milkshake) was attacked by his son. I'm linking an article about it that has a good picture of what Jonathan looks like now.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/crime/detail?entry_id=81604

Just gotta say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

edited to say, check out the comments at the bottom of the page. One is from a supposed cousin of Elizabeth's that calls Gilbert "an evil man"

how unfortunate. I really feel for Gilbert Ortiz. it's been a hard knock life.

I think it's safe to say Elizabeth engaged in some heavy duty brainwashing of Jonathan, a la the Maples.

After reading the comments the whole thing is so depressing. They are saying that Gilbert was on drugs/drinking etc.... and also that he's doing it now.

Maybe I'm not that good of a judge of character then it comes to people on UM(I really did think ol Jules Caynor was innocent...until I read more into it) but I don't know, Gilbert just came across as a really sincere nice guy...he didn't seem like he had any major issues.

After reading the comments the whole thing is so depressing. They are saying that Gilbert was on drugs/drinking etc.... and also that he's doing it now.

I think you have to take that with a grain of salt. One of them was trying to defend a couple of attempted murderers, so their opinions don't mean much to me.

yeah your definitely right...I guess its hard for me to believe someone would just make up lies with nothing behind their claims...but I know it happens.

WOW, this is surprising but I agree with Mysteryphile int hat I always thought Gilbert seemed like a sincerely nice individual.

Wow, what's really sad about that is that I believe Gilbert was disabled after he recovered from the poisoning. Didn't he have trouble walking and stuff? And the fact that his son would beat up his disabled father, especially considering he still suffers from when his wife tried to kill him! What a deranged kid. I definitely agree he sounds brainwashed.

That is terrible. Im sure the son was brainwashed by his mother and has hate for his father because of what he has heard about him from his mother. The woman was an evil psycho, imagine the hatred she probably spewed to her son about his dad before she was caught.

Vicious cycle:(. Jonathan was the abused and now has become the abuser. So sad considering I imagine he lived a rough life himself....considering being on the run and all...his mother was the only parental influence in his life for around 8 years so I imagine she poisoned him against his dad. He was such a cute little baby boy!

One of the more shocking happenings/updates.

Sad to hear and i think alot of the blame should be on the mother who is in prison. she must have done some good brainwashing to Jonathan.

Sad to hear and i think alot of the blame should be on the mother who is in prison. she must have done some good brainwashing to Jonathan.


ya but he is over 18 now...she didnt force him to attack Gilbert, just like nobody forced her to poison Gilbert beforehand...I feel sorry for the kid because he has obviously lived a rough life and by running from the authorities she taught Jonathan that you should run from your problems as opposed to facing them head on. Morally, I feel she is to blame.....the lessons we learn as children carry over into adulthood. Legally, I do not think Elizabeth is to blame

Morally, I feel she is to blame.....the lessons we learn as children carry over into adulthood. Legally, I do not think Elizabeth is to blame
hahaha, that's basically my way of thinking.

jeez, Gilbert goes out of his way to be with his son again only to have Jonathan attack him because Gilbert helped lock up his ex-wife (Jonathan's mom) Elizabeth? What a twisted world we live in. How ungrateful of Jonathan to do this to his father, and after all his father has been through you would think Jonathan would have a little bit or alot of sympathy but I guess not.

jeez, Gilbert goes out of his way to be with his son again only to have Jonathan attack him because Gilbert helped lock up his ex-wife (Jonathan's mom) Elizabeth? What a twisted world we live in. How ungrateful of Jonathan to do this to his father, and after all his father has been through you would think Jonathan would have a little bit or alot of sympathy but I guess not.


True but Jonathan was on the run with his mother so long. As a young child she brainwashed him...he probably grew up thinking he was the bad guy.

Pity, ain't it? Even so, I wouldn't attack a man that's disabled, that's low.

Pity, ain't it? Even so, I wouldn't attack a man that's disabled, that's low.

Yes, it's awful. Does anyone know how severe his disabilities were and whether they have improved over time? He did seem like a sincerely nice guy who couldn't have seen what a monster he married until too late.

Yes, it's awful. Does anyone know how severe his disabilities were and whether they have improved over time? He did seem like a sincerely nice guy who couldn't have seen what a monster he married until too late.

I read he suffers from permanent nerve damage. He also suffered cardiac arrest, respiratory failure, and lung collapse. Thats the most details I know

Takes a real big man to beat up on someone totally unable to defend himself...guess the apple didnt fall too far from the rotted tree.

Here's another article with a bit more information.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=150988&title=Convicted%20milkshake%20poisoner%92s%20son%20accused%20of%20beating%20father

Here's another article with a bit more information.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=150988&title=Convicted%20milkshake%20poisoner%92s%20son%20accused%20of%20beating%20father


The kid said his mother was the only one who taught him love? How does trying to kill his father and kidnapping him teach the kid love? He learned her version of love so well he beat his own father. Shall we say serious therapy here.

One of the more shocking happenings/updates.


I agree, I always thought Gilbert Ortiz was a nice guy, to read this really hurt

how unfortunate. I really feel for Gilbert Ortiz. it's been a hard knock life.

I think it's safe to say Elizabeth engaged in some heavy duty brainwashing of Jonathan, a la the Maples.
maybe you should know the family like i do and what happened. And know she did not brain wash jonny he remembers all that was done to him. And further more elizabeth was very much abused and tried to leave but was threatened with her life if she did. Husband was no angel in all this. BUt yes he did not deserve to be beaten by his son either. But believe me the violance was taught to johnny very young from the house issues that went on.

maybe you should know the family like i do and what happened. And know she did not brain wash jonny he remembers all that was done to him. And further more elizabeth was very much abused and tried to leave but was threatened with her life if she did. Husband was no angel in all this. BUt yes he did not deserve to be beaten by his son either. But believe me the violance was taught to johnny very young from the house issues that went on.

This could become a "Maples" type thread really quickly...

There are always two sides to every story.

I always love the "family members" or "close friends" who defend the guilty with lines like "you weren't there" or "I heard there was abuse" or "you don't know him like I do."

While there may be two sides to the story and I'm sure no one is perfect, just ask yourself this: Who was charged and convicted, and who wasn't?

Enough said.

I always love the "family members" or "close friends" who defend the guilty with lines like "you weren't there" or "I heard there was abuse" or "you don't know him like I do."

While there may be two sides to the story and I'm sure no one is perfect, just ask yourself this: Who was charged and convicted, and who wasn't?

Enough said.

Agreed. Who was the one with life-threatening, horrible injuries that impact him almost 20 years later? Gilbert, not Elizabeth.

Even if Gilbert was a bad guy in this whole dysfunctional scenario, I do not believe that Jonathan "remembers all that was done to him". He was only 2 when his mother took him out of the country. It's almost impossible for a person to remember things that happened when they were only 2 years old and younger.

It's more likely that his mother told him things that were done to him (which she would have lied about, imo) and he could possibly recall those events as memories.

no elizabeth said she never told jon any thing becasue she didn't want him to know the truth until he was old enough to ask is own father

man you people are so twisted

man you people are so twisted

You are defending someone, with hearsay, who was convicted of attempted murder for trying to kill her husband with poison and WE are the "twisted" ones???

Pot, meet kettle.

man you people are so twisted

I think a lot of us are just very skeptical.

There are some occasions where people come here and claim to be connected to a case, but it turns out they're just playing games. Other times, people who are actually friends and family members post here. After you talk with them for a little bit, you can usually tell who's for real. The way UM portrayed so many of these cases made us feel connected to the people involved so we sort of feel protective of them.

Update!

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_19308223?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

Update!

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_19308223?IADID=Search-www.mercurynews.com-www.mercurynews.com

Thanks for the update!! Only a year in prison...and then what?? He goes back home and does it again?

Thanks for the update!! Only a year in prison...and then what?? He goes back home and does it again?
Hopefully Gilbert does not let him back in.

And to the poster defending Elizabeth, she could have easily- you know- run away WITHOUT POISONING HER HUSBAND if her only goal was to get away rather than kill.

Gilbert can't catch a break can he?

Gilbert can't catch a break can he?

If this were facebook I would totally thumbs up that statement...it does seem like his life went to crap when he was poisioned and it never really recovered...I hope he takes out a restraining order against his son when he gets out.

Wow, what a thread to come in on...I just wanted to throw my two-cents into the ring. I reread some of the articles and Gilbert defended his son!?! He said it was robbery both times. Now, Nobody is perfect but to defend your son after he beat the crap out of you not once but twice, wow such dedication and love. My heart goes out to Gilbert and maybe his son could learn a lesson or two of love from him instead of his mother!!

There is no possible way that Johnathan as a 2 year old could have remembered any alleged "abuse" that went on in the household, he only remembers what's he's been told by his mother; it's impossible for him to have remembered anything at that young age. He only knows what his mother and other relatives implanted in his head! A sad case all the way around.

Wonder if he has tried to attack the dad at all the last few years

Wow, one of the first cases I've seen...never knew about the update.

I wonder if the son was a drug abuser/alcoholic? He obviously have emotional/mental damage, but just to up and beat/stab him like that is bizarre.

This has made me wonder about Gilbert. I wonder if he was abusive to his ex-wife? I know she shouldn't have poisoned him, but it really makes you wonder why she would go through all of that for nothing? There's two sides to each story. Gilbert may have come off as nice, but I wonder what really happened in that house prior to the poisoning.

Wow, what a thread to come in on...I just wanted to throw my two-cents into the ring. I reread some of the articles and Gilbert defended his son!?! He said it was robbery both times. Now, Nobody is perfect but to defend your son after he beat the crap out of you not once but twice, wow such dedication and love.

My sentiments exactly.