http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/08/tv-land-facebook-more-classic-shows/

I read the article ,and TVLand's response.And I don't get one thing:What do they mean when the said "participating in the current conversation as well".?

The article reminds me of the last verse of the 1972 Don McLean song"Vincent"(aka "Starry,Starry Night")-"They did not listen,they're not listening still,perhaps they never will.... "

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you know, I read somewhere that TV LAND DOES read all the complaints about them, and they DO listen. I know now though that that's just a big, fat, lie!!!
And now they're gonna start showing "C.S.I." on the weekends!! What's next "CRIMINAL MINDS"? How about "N.C.I.S."???:mad:

And another thing:When they say:"Our schedule is 60 to 70% classic TV",it's the classics THEY want to see.Not what WE want to see.And why C.S.I?Whose bright idea was that?

And another thing:When they say:"Our schedule is 60 to 70% classic TV",it's the classics THEY want to see.Not what WE want to see.And why C.S.I?Whose bright idea was that?
these guys must be programing the network :stooges:

“Our schedule is still 60 to 70 percent classic TV,” Cohen says. “We’re in the business of participating in the current conversation, as well.”

That is such a crock. Their schedule is hardly 60 to 70 percent classic tv. They are dying a slow death and they know it.

Why just not try a TVLAND 2 already?? Then they can program the main TVLAND the way they feel will bring in the ratings (reality crap and current shows) and run all classics on the second channel (and I don't mean Andy Griffith, Gunsmoke and The Nanny in 6 hour blocks) and compare both channels and see who does better. Either these cable networks just don't know how to program a channel or what the viewers want, OR the majority of people are idiots and actually tune in to the same 10 or 15 shows of today (CSI, NCIS, etc). Hasn't Spike TV or whatever network airs CSI air it basically all day during the week?

TVLand doesn't give a crap about what people want; all they care about is the locked in ratings generated from retirement homes stuck on their channel.

They are a little disingenuous when they say 60 to 70 percent of programming is classic. While that may be true, they air the same shows and the same episodes over and over. If they would take that same 60 to 70 and have more shows and air the episodes in order, not repeated viewers might be more satisfied. They are trying to do it on the cheap though so they just air the same thing over and over. That's really the problem.

I really don't mind TV Land as it is right now. Other channels are picking up the slack, so if they're finding more success with sort of a half-and-half set-up (newer/original stuff at night, older stuff during the day), that's fine. I just wish they'd change up the older stuff more often. I like the shows they have now, but it's been the same rotation of shows for years now it seems. Whenever there's a big surprise coming up, it's usually something that they stopped airing within the last five years and is already on another channel (Beverly Hillbillies, Good Times, Bewitched, etc). I'm sure the next "big surprise classic sitcom" will be The Munsters or Green Acres.

I think it'd be cool if they owned up to the fact that there is sort of a "great divide" in their programming during the week at 8:00pm (central) and used it to their advantage. They can do 90s/00s stuff from 8pm to 8am and 60s/70s/80s stuff from 8am to 8pm. Something like this (with just random show suggestions, don't really know what they have the rights to at this point):

8:00am: The Beverly Hillbillies
8:30am: The Beverly Hillbillies
9:00am: The Brady Bunch
9:30am: The Brady Bunch
10:00am: My Three Sons
10:30am: My Three Sons
11:00am: Gunsmoke
12:00pm: Bonanza
1:00pm: Bonanza
2:00pm: Eight is Enough
3:00pm: Bewitched
3:30pm: Bewitched
4:00pm: The Andy Griffith Show (with Mayberry RFD)
4:30pm: The Andy Griffith Show (with Mayberry RFD)
5:00pm: Mary Tyler Moore
5:30pm: Mary Tyler Moore
6:00pm: Sanford & Son
6:30pm: Sanford & Son
7:00pm: All in the Family
7:30pm: All in the Family
-----------------------
8:00pm: Everybody Loves Raymond
8:30pm: Everybody Loves Raymond
9:00pm: Roseanne
9:30pm: Roseanne
10:00pm: JAG
11:00pm: The Nanny
11:30pm: The Nanny
12:00am: 3rd Rock from the Sun
12:30am: 3rd Rock from the Sun
1:00am: Married with Children
1:30am: Married with Children
2:00am: Everybody Loves Raymond
2:30am: Everybody Loves Raymond
3:00am: Roseanne
3:30am: Roseanne
4:00am: Boston Legal
5:00am: The Nanny
5:30am: The Nanny
6:00am: 3rd Rock from the Sun
6:30am: 3rd Rock from the Sun
7:00am: Married with Children
7:30am: Married with Children

My feeling is that they are gradually phasing the classic shows out.

I could really care less. Give these networks like Antenna TV and MeTV a couple of years and hopefully most everyone will have them through antenna or cable. Look how THIS (who shows some classic series) spread and is in most markets now. You don't even have to pay for them. DTV is the future of classic TV, IMO. These are better than TV Land ever was.

TVLand Sucks and they have been sucking since 2004/5 :eek:

TVLand Sucks and they have been sucking since 2004/5 :eek:

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The last thing I really enjoyed from them was either the 48-hour "That Girl" marathon or the 35th anniversary "Bob Newhart Show" marathon, whichever one was the most recent. They (and NAN) used to include shows that weren't on their regular schedules in marathons all the time (I'll never forget the Warner Bros. marathon, it was entire weekend of shows they didn't already air!), but not anymore for some reason. I understand they're set on the shows they have for the regular sked, but they can't even pull out some stuff for the Christmas marathon or just for fun, random, creative marathons? It would be exciting to have a marathon pop up that has an episode or two of Kate & Allie or One Day at a Time or Marcus Welby or whatever.

The main problem with TVL is that they're just plain boring. What was the last classic drama they've aired besides Gunsmoke and Bonanza? Had to be Little House or Star Trek, in the wee hours of the morning, in 2009. They have absolutely no faith whatsoever in a Hawaii Five-O or a Rockford Files or BJ and the Bear or anything like that? I love the Norman Lear sitcoms, but do they have some sort of grudge against Garry Marshall or Mary Tyler Moore and the shows their companies made? Where in the world has Gilligan's Island been? My Three Sons, Family Affair, That Girl? It's frustrating because they're not even trying.

The only time TV Land was interesting to me was in the early years when they aired odd and obscure shows like Me and the Chimp, Barbary Coast, Young Lawyers, Petrocelli, Shane, Blansky's Beauties, Paper Moon, Joanie Loves Chachi, Honey West, My Mother the Car, The Outsider, Coronet Blue and tons of other shows that nobody has ever rerun. That was before they became .001% of TV Land, showing only a tiny percentage of shows. Not to mention, cutting everything to under 44 minutes in an hour. I haven't seen them in so long but they aren't much better than Chopmark these days.

you know, I read somewhere that TV LAND DOES read all the complaints about them, and they DO listen. I know now though that that's just a big, fat, lie!!!

They listen to their advertisers though.Probably selling commercial time for 2 dollars a minute,because that's all it's worth.

TVLand Sucks and they have been sucking since 2004/5 :eek:



Damn right!!!!!!!!!!!

The only time TV Land was interesting to me was in the early years when they aired odd and obscure shows like Me and the Chimp, Barbary Coast, Young Lawyers, Petrocelli, Shane, Blansky's Beauties, Paper Moon, Joanie Loves Chachi, Honey West, My Mother the Car, The Outsider, Coronet Blue and tons of other shows that nobody has ever rerun. That was before they became .001% of TV Land, showing only a tiny percentage of shows. Not to mention, cutting everything to under 44 minutes in an hour. I haven't seen them in so long but they aren't much better than Chopmark these days.
They could never sustain themselves with a schedule of mostly short-lived, long-forgotten shows, though. I think the most interesting/best set-up would be a weekday schedule that's about 80-90% shows that everybody knows and loves (Lucy, AITF, Mary Tyler Moore, Brady Bunch, Andy Griffith, Three's Company, Bewitched, Beverly Hillbillies, etc) and the rest being shows that aren't aired as much but still had decent runs (One Day at a Time, Alice, Farmer's Daughter, Eight is Enough, The Doris Day Show, tons of 50s sitcoms like Our Miss Brooks, December Bride, etc) with the weekends being a bit more 50/50 with more obscure shows in there like the ones you mentioned and others (idk...Lucas Tanner, California Fever, Cimarron Strip, Paper Dolls, The Good Guys, Camp Runamuck, etc).

I remember the TVLink saying years ago that having a cable channel devoted 100% to classic TV is not profitable which is why they to stay up to date with programmming in addition to older shows.

I remember the TVLink saying years ago that having a cable channel devoted 100% to classic TV is not profitable which is why they to stay up to date with programmming in addition to older shows.


Plenty of radio stations that are 100% devoted to classic Top 40 music from the 50s, 60s and 70s and they manage to stay profitable.

Plenty of radio stations that are 100% devoted to classic Top 40 music from the 50s, 60s and 70s and they manage to stay profitable.
Television is an entirely different and way more complicated and expensive industry. A network that airs all classic shows all the time, uncut and commercial-free, would never ever work for long. A few years maybe, but not in the long-term. That's why so many channels have changed over the years.

TV land has a lot of classic shows so it's not too bad.

TV land has a lot of classic shows so it's not too bad.
Right....and they show the Nanny a million times during the weekend...been sucking since 2004/05...:rolleyes:

A network that airs all classic shows all the time, uncut and commercial-free, would never ever work for long. A few years maybe, but not in the long-term. That's why so many channels have changed over the years.

I see no reason why a channel such as this couldn't succeed in the long-term. If a movie channel like TCM can then a classic tv channel of the same nature should be able to as well if it was programmed properly. As for the channels that abandoned their original purpose, how many of them are better off because of it?

Right....and they show the Nanny a million times during the weekend...been sucking since 2004/05...:rolleyes:


I agree, that's the only bad thing about the network right now..........THE NANNY

I see no reason why a channel such as this couldn't succeed in the long term. If a movie channel like TCM can then a classic tv channel of the same nature should be able to as well if it was programmed properly. As for the channels that abandoned their original purpose, how many of them are better off because of it?


TCM still airs movies from six differemt decades. There was a movie last week aired fom 1986, 1989 and programming from 2010

I see no reason why a channel such as this couldn't succeed in the long-term. If a movie channel like TCM can then a classic tv channel of the same nature should be able to as well if it was programmed properly. As for the channels that abandoned their original purpose, how many of them are better off because of it?
If it could work, then TV Land would have never made changes, Nick at Nite wouldn't have made changes, WGN American, Ion, TBS, etc, none of them would have made the changes they've made. Every month it seems like someone's hitting all-time highs in the ratings with original and newer programming. Certain older shows still draw big audiences (a Bonanza rerun once made the Top 25 of ALL cable programs one week), so that's why we still have old stuff during the day, but they really wouldn't stand a chance in primetime.

If it could work, then TV Land would have never made changes, Nick at Nite wouldn't have made changes, WGN American, Ion, TBS, etc, none of them would have made the changes they've made.

Something must have worked, I haven't seen too many comments in favor of all the changes made by these channels.

Something must have worked, I haven't seen too many comments in favor of all the changes made by these channels.
The biggest, and most important, comments are the ratings, and like it or not (and I don't any more than you do), they've been overwhelmingly positive.

Any way you look at it, Hot In Cleveland is getting about 2M viewers a week, way, way, way more than any classic show they air. Raymond is probably tops with 800K on a very good day. All classic networks just don't work in the long run because they are just not profitable. People can complain all day long, but that doesn't change the bottom line which is shareholder value and profitability.

The biggest, and most important, comments are the ratings, and like it or not (and I don't any more than you do), they've been overwhelmingly positive.

Good point.

Like I keep stressing on all of these threads, wait for Antenna TV and MeTV if you don't have them. They are coming and will make you care less about TV Land, be patient. Plus they're free and available if you don't have cable and are already on a lot of cable systems. TVL is only going to get further away from classic shows.

THIS already shows some classics and RTV, even though seemingly on its last legs, does also.

I'll be honest, reading TV Land's response, I think its way off. It always "Well we still have Classic shows... blah, blah, blah". No you dont. You just dont care about the classic shows anymore because everyone "loves" reality tv. If they paid half as much as attention with promoting reality shows and what not, to classic tv, it would be so much better. But are you really surprised. Look at TV Land, Soapnet, Sy Fy (although I like Wrestling on there but its only on 2 hrs. a week and not everyday), ESPN Classic, MTV etc. And you know what they will answer with? Another channel that you have to pay for instead of putting it on the original channel. You'll probably see an MTV3 instead of putting videos on MTV. Samething with TV Land. You'll probably see a TV Land2 instead of putting classic shows on TV Land.

i dropped cable tv about 2 months ago. i only watched a few channels and they were all on the digital tier which meant i was paying $100 per month for those few channels. I get my baseball through mlb.tv for $20 per month and i watch AntennaTV and RetroTV as well as THIS. They are the only channels I really watch. I have a Tivo box so I can dvr my programs.

If the cable companies ever let us choose ala carte (which i know will never happen) i might re-subscribe but not until then. Cable is a joke any more. Every channel showing the same shows from the last 15 years and nothing else.