I heard the Canadian Guardian UFO case officially proven a hoax.


Anyone have any information?

If you've got some time on your hands, here's a very lengthy first-hand account from someone who actually investigated this UFO sighting and seems pretty certain that the whole thing was an elaborate hoax:
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/mufonontario/archive/carp.html

I always had the feeling that one was a hoax. I think most of these UFO sightings can be explained by hoaxes. There are a few that make me think (Belgian UFO, Allagash Four, Missing Time etc.) but most I think are either hoaxes or secret government operations.

An example....most of you probably remember the Hudson Valley UFO segment thats on the UFO DVD box set. I have firsthand knowledge that was a hoax. It was stunt pilots flying in formation at night. I know this because my father took part in this--one of his friends was one of the pilots and he invited my dad up to fly w/him in one of the planes one of the nights.

An example....most of you probably remember the Hudson Valley UFO segment thats on the UFO DVD box set. I have firsthand knowledge that was a hoax. It was stunt pilots flying in formation at night. I know this because my father took part in this--one of his friends was one of the pilots and he invited my dad up to fly w/him in one of the planes one of the nights.

Wow, that's interesting! Was this just a routine flying exercise that many people mistook for a UFO or was it was always deliberately intended as a hoax?

Wow, that's interesting! Was this just a routine flying exercise that many people mistook for a UFO or was it was always deliberately intended as a hoax?

Hoax all the way. Apparently a few of these pilots had done this flying the same way in another state several years before and got similar attention in the media. They moved out where I live...and apparently tried the same thing again.

I dont necessarily think what they did was right...it was definetly illegal for sure. But I have to say if my friend told me and invited me up to fly one night I totally would have went! :)

what about about those helicopters that were flying over the site where the Guardian UFO was? Didn't those have many witnesses? I wonder what those were abotu

They shown this video on Paranormal files but the team didn't look into because of leak of info

what about about those helicopters that were flying over the site where the Guardian UFO was? Didn't those have many witnesses? I wonder what those were abotu
I have to wonder if Diane lied about that,seems she wasn't honest anyway.
In any event,it seems the military would have no need of being involved in such a hoax.

I have to wonder if Diane lied about that,seems she wasn't honest anyway.


Diane was interviewed by Sightings about the Guardian case. During the interview she was seated in front of a wall that had a prominent picture of a religious figure on it. Even as a kid, I thought that was contrived as Hell. Almost like the picture of the saint in the background gave her some credibility.

this segment is available on Amazon streaming even though it is widely believed to be a hoax. Still, I don't mind that since I like to have all the segments and think they should be included

I think I've mentioned this before on other threads, but I've talked with Bob Oechsler (the investigator interviewed on the segment) about the case. I also have a copy of the unedited Guardian tape. The whole thing is a hoax, IMO. I believe that Guardian was simply some kid trying to make it seem like he was an informant with inside information about UFOs and government conspiracies.

this segment is available on Amazon streaming even though it is widely believed to be a hoax. Still, I don't mind that since I like to have all the segments and think they should be included

I'm with you JannTosh, one of the episodes that I am the most upset at being missing from Amazon is the Gulf Breeze UFO segment and its updates. I really think UM miscalculated by not including cases where they were proven wrong and/or were shown to be hoaxes. Maybe I am in the minority here, but to me, the entertainment value is unchanged. I'm left thinking that C&M are simply embarrassed & using this as a way of covering up the times they were wrong.

I think I've mentioned this before on other threads, but I've talked with Bob Oechsler (the investigator interviewed on the segment) about the case. I also have a copy of the unedited Guardian tape. The whole thing is a hoax, IMO. I believe that Guardian was simply some kid trying to make it seem like he was an informant with inside information about UFOs and government conspiracies.Well all the extra fluff about Red China and a photo of an alien being really screwed with the credibility of the Guardian character. I'm guessing it was also a hoax, but at the same time the one thing that gives me a least a little reservation are the black unmarked helicopters.

Sightings made a full effort to reenact the scene.

In addition to the case still being on Amazon despite being a hoax, one major unanswered question are the black helicopters that were apparently seen by multiple witnesses

I just watched the UM segment then on YouTube. So "Guardians" identity has never been uncovered?

I just watched the UM segment then on YouTube. So "Guardians" identity has never been uncovered?
Unless something has recently changed the identity of “Guardian” is still unknown.

I believe the case to be a hoax but one thing that is strange is the reports of unidentified helicopters flying in the area. The Cash/Landrum Texas UFO case also had reports of unidentified helicopters seen by several witnesses.

Unless something has recently changed the identity of “Guardian” is still unknown.

I believe the case to be a hoax but one thing that is strange is the reports of unidentified helicopters flying in the area. The Cash/Landrum Texas UFO case also had reports of unidentified helicopters seen by several witnesses.

Case is a hoax. Guardian’s real name is/was Bobby Charlebois. Google it for more info.

Unless something has recently changed the identity of “Guardian” is still unknown.

I believe the case to be a hoax but one thing that is strange is the reports of unidentified helicopters flying in the area. The Cash/Landrum Texas UFO case also had reports of unidentified helicopters seen by several witnesses.

Case is a hoax. Guardian’s real name is/was Bobby Charlebois. Google it for more info.

I guess if the "UFO" had've been filmed in HD quality we have today in 2018 instead of blurry 1991 footage we would've seen straightaway what this thing was…a Helicopter.

Case is a hoax. Guardian’s real name is/was Bobby Charlebois. Google it for more info.



I understand but what about the helicopters?

I understand but what about the helicopters?


A military exercise? Who knows. It doesn’t make this case any more believable.

Also, I assume the hoax was not actually performed in Labenek’s backyard? And Pabenek and other residents were in on it?

Also, I assume the hoax was not actually performed in Labenek’s backyard? And Pabenek and other residents were in on it?


I don’t know if the location of the taping was ever ascertained. I doubt it. Regardless, there is evidence that Labenek knew Charlebois and she had an interest in UFOs and had claimed sightings before. She’s not credible.

Did they cut other UFO segments that were proven hoaxes?

I admit they were never of strong interest to me so I skipped a few that came up on Amazon.

Did they cut other UFO segments that were proven hoaxes?.

No.

Yup. Which is why its stupid that they excluded the gulf breeze segment.

A military exercise? Who knows. It doesn’t make this case any more believable.

Because aliens can master interstellar travel, but can't wrap their tentacles around creating a serviceable chopper? Pfft.

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Putting aside that this is hoax for a minute... Has the full Guardian video ever been available online? A quick Google search turns up nothing.

I really wish Sightings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sightings_(TV_series)) and Encounters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_(TV_series)) were available for streaming the same way UM is, both of those were prime 90's TV.

I really wish Sightings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sightings_(TV_series)) and Encounters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_(TV_series)) were available for streaming the same way UM is, both of those were prime 90's TV.

It’s mostly on YouTube. Search the individual seasons and dig but you’ll find them with the specials.

I really wish Sightings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sightings_(TV_series)) and Encounters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_(TV_series)) were available for streaming the same way UM is, both of those were prime 90's TV.

I would not wish that on any series, the way UM is (not) available for streaming is a travesty.

Back to the Guardian UFO, this case always had the issue that the recording was sent in by an unknown person with a bizarre and extreme material accompanying the tape. I would consider this even more questionable on its face than the Gulf Breeze UFO.

Its worth noting that this segment is a UFO segment on a case which has never featured prominently in Ufology. Cases like the Rendlesham Forest and Belgian UFO wave are considered serious cases by Ufologists, but this Guardian incident was more of a UM specific thing, and in that sense it is on the level with the infamous "magic rock" (though I do like that segment anyway).

I don't think this case can be called "solved" but it is perhaps no longer unsolved.

I don't believe its ever been conclusively proven to be a hoax in that the perps have never admitted it and its not been determined how exactly it was done. But the circumstantial evidence suggests strongly it was a hoax concocted by Bobby Charlebois, the Labaneks, and possibly others. Strongly enough that it hasn't been seriously investigated and had little if any media attention since the early 90's.

Its one of those cases more or less relegated to a status similar to the O.J Simpson murders. Even though officially still considered unsolved everyone pretty well knows what happened.

It’s mostly on YouTube. Search the individual seasons and dig but you’ll find them with the specials.


I loved watching the old Sightings episodes on YouTube but it seems they were all taken down recently!